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UCI Bans Race Radios

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The International Cycling Union (UCI) management committee, meeting here at the world road race championships which end Sunday, said they would phase out the use of the two-way radios which link riders to their team cars. Race radios are already banned in junior and under 23 races.

Detractors of the radios claim their use renders races more predictable, and thus more boring to watch. Advocates of the radios, such as former Astana team manager Johan Bruyneel and Saxo Bank boss Bjarne Riis, say radios are a necessity for modern day bike racing.

That motorcycle that rides up to the breakaway with a little chalkboard with the time scrawled on it will finally have a reason to exist again. And back in the team car, team managers will finally be able to focus on the road, because god forbid an assistant drive so the DS can concentrate on paying attention to the race. 

Now the riders will have to adjust to looking at the road ahead, rather than wait for the team to relay "hazards up ahead", and I'm not sure riders will be able to finish a time trial without the obnoxiously repetitious "encouragement" from their managers ("allez Lance, alleaz!"), but I'm confident they'll find a way to persevere. I admit, though, that I feel sorry for the poor domestiques that will have to make extra trips back to the team cars to get instructions in addition to water bottles. It'll suck to be them. That is, unless the riders ride the entire 2010 season "slow" in protest. If so, Kenny Robert Van Hummel might be a good gamble for the 2010 VDS team. 

About the only thing I'll miss from race radios are those last-200 meter catches of the breakaways by the sprinter teams. You know there was a guy back in the car with a calculator, feverishly determining the exact speed the chasing teams needed to ride to catch the poor saps in the breakaway with the finish line in sight. It wasn't enough to catch them, you had to crush their spirit within sight of victory. But every once in a while, the breakaway would survive with the sprinters breathing down their necks, and that's what I lived for on those boring transitional stages -- turning the tables on those obnoxious sprinters. But alas, that will be much tougher without the calculator guy constantly relaying new speed data to the riders. 

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Wait, when you say speedometers, you mean a device that tells you how fast you are traveling, right? And not something to do with swim wear? Cause then the answer is probably no…

by Jimbo... on Sep 25, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They were using that sort of speedometer in French swimming pools this year

and sending you away if your shorts gave too high a reading. Small and tight was what they were looking for

by Monty. on Sep 26, 2009 4:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So this concerns two way radios...are one way radios still going to be allowed?

"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.

by Albertina on Sep 25, 2009 5:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So this will mean that the car can talk to the rider but the rider can't respond, or have I got the wrong end of the stick?

"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.

by Albertina on Sep 25, 2009 6:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm thinking you're right ..

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 25, 2009 6:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's what I thought, it wouldn't make much difference...so what is the deal then?

"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.

by Albertina on Sep 25, 2009 6:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lip service?

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 25, 2009 7:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have driven a motor at the back of the peloton for twenty years.

I’m sure what is bothering the UCI is the predictable/boring style of racing lately. Banning radios won’t change that.
The speed-time-distance calculations are simple and haven’t changed in years. The gruppetto has more complicated math than reeling in a break.
No…the radios are essential for mechanicals, feeds and warnings of up-coming road hazards .The rider up in the front of the field gets a flat. He radios, “front flat” to the team car, and starts to float to the back on his soft tire.The DS pulls out of the caravan, speeds up the left side to the back of the peloton and dives across the front of the medical car to the right side. Their rider keeps rolling until, simultaneously arriving at the back of the peloton, they change his wheel.
This radio-enabled coordination means a smoother change, an easier chase back and less stress for the rider. Now imagine the same scenario with no radios. Think of every bad wheel change you ever saw as standard.

Of course, a rider-to-team only radio could solve that.
But wouldn’t allow the “narrow bridge” warnings to go out from the race direction to the riders.

by MavicMoto on Sep 25, 2009 8:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the counter-view

There is a need for effective, timely communication.

(And, as for calculating time-speed-watts to catch . . . if us duffers in a masters 40+ field can do rough estimates of “it’s gonna take 300w for 15 minutes to catch those guys,” you know the pros can do it, without any help from the team car).

What should be banned, however, are the separate radios for each team.

What I’d like to see banned even more, is the current monstrosity of a race caravan. At most, one service car per team: talk about strategic decisions . . . go with the rider in the break, or stick with the team leader . . .), but I’d really prefer a super-streamlined caravan of no more than 10 cars (or minivans) and some motos. Riders and directors talk about the extreme hazards involved with negotiating the danger posed by the caravan—well . . . duh, that’s because there are too many cars IN the caravan.

by R Mc on Sep 25, 2009 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hear Hear

Totally agree about too big a caravan.
No minivans though, riders and drivers can’t see around them. There is actually a max height requirement already in the rules for UCI races. For example, a Subaru Outback wagon is too tall. Not that you don’t see them in races all the time.
No one dares mention carbon footprint….
And second team cars in the caravan are usually excessive. Exceptions for bad weather.

by MavicMoto on Sep 25, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hear hear...

After working the Tour Of Utah, I have new understanding of what it means to work through he caravan. My moto and I were only dealing with the breakaway cars. That was intense enough.

by Fred Marx on Sep 25, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Never raced, so this is purely FWIW

But the safety factor seems really important to me in all of this. If there seems to be a compelling argument against this decision, that seems to be it.

I also think the element that radio helps minimize the impact of mechanical failures on a race is compelling. Truly, does anyone want to see races decided by flat tires?

The only thing I wonder about is whether the safety thing is as big a deal as it’s made out to be. Clearly, before radio riders negotiated bridges, roundabouts, etc. without regular catastrophic accidents. How? Being sure to really study the route book, I’m assuming. Is that a practice that’s fallen off in the days of race radio? If so, would the fact that it has increase the danger of getting rid of radios? I just wonder about all of this.

You see how calm Vaughters is? That’s because he’s really one giant seething ball of Evil inside. With like, extra Evil.

by Ed K on Sep 25, 2009 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, the argument runs

that much less “road furniture” existed back when . . . but even race radios don’t prevent Gomez-Gomez doodsmaks.

As for races being decided by flat tires and other sorts of mechanicals—that sort of stuff happens every weekend: you drop a chain in a regular old boring USCF road race and if you can’t sweep that sucker back onto the chainring before the pack has gone by, odds are that your race just ended.

It sort of irks me to see pro riders hanging on to the team car getting a ‘brake adjustment’ at 60 kph, then motor-pacing through the caravan to get back into the bunch; not to mention the more flagrant abuses pulled to get riders like Cavendish back in.

And that brings me back to wanting to shrink the caravan so that it only includes neutral service vehicles (including both nutritional and mechanical service) and medical service vehicles. I.e. take the team vehicles out completely, and let the pros race without leashes. Granted, doing this would mean less sponsor ‘impressions,’ but it would also reduce per-race costs quite a bit, and make the racing safer.

And if a race gets decided on a mechanical . . . well that would be a kick in the pants to the mechanics and equipment sponsors, wouldn’t it?

by R Mc on Sep 25, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gomez-Gomez still makes me shudder just thinking about it...

…and your point is well taken. Somewhere along the way the responsibility also lies with race organizers to choose reasonably safe roads to race over. Radios are clearly not a substitute for that, and one wonders whether they’ve been used that way a bit. Anyway I was just wondering about that.

Sponsor impressions are, of course, very very very hard to discount.

You see how calm Vaughters is? That’s because he’s really one giant seething ball of Evil inside. With like, extra Evil.

by Ed K on Sep 25, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought maybe the riders conncern about safety issues would have won out too, but....

    With so much coverage of every pro race you have to believe that if all the cars/motorcycles had radios then there would be a network in place for emergencies with regards to rider injuries.
    There is also new technology that riders can use to keep up on the course while on the road, Garmin are using theirs for more than show. They can program their “on board computers” to give them all kinds of useful information, hardly need to study the route book when the info is at your finger tips.
    What ever happened to team mates giving up their wheels and bikes if necessary? Maybe they just aren’t as well prepared as they need to be make a fast switch in race conditions, that can be corrected.

The first cyclist to stand up to him. And he did it in silence.

by flying dog on Sep 25, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve seen it suggested sometimes that the radio warnings of up coming road hazards actually make things more dangerous – everyone gets nervous, and with all the teams scrambling to get to the front of the bunch the pace increases.

by William H on Sep 25, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Celebrity Posters on PdC

Nice.

Flahutes: Harden the F--k Up!

by bobgade on Sep 25, 2009 8:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Cool

I found out through Google Reader that kos subscribes to PdC.

by olibear on Sep 25, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm being ignorant. Should I know who kos is?

"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.

by Albertina on Sep 26, 2009 6:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Belgian Punk Rocker

can’t play a note but does great clog-dancing solos. Apparently crossing the Pyrenees would be fatal.

by Monty. on Sep 26, 2009 7:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Probably desires a small degree of anonymity, I’m a fan but he’s here for the cycling not the notoriety.

The first cyclist to stand up to him. And he did it in silence.

by flying dog on Sep 26, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know why the hell

a Belgian punk rocker wants anonymity. Kind of repetitive, no?

by Sui Juris on Sep 26, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's true...

…they aren’t famous like Dutch Punk Rockers can be.

by Ed K on Sep 26, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's team size, not radios that makes racing boring.

One or two fewer teammates and a race is so much harder to control.
Thats the answer the UCI hasn’t dared suggest.

by MavicMoto on Sep 25, 2009 9:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Weird that they haven't

then thry could justify ProTour expansion seeing that every team could field that many more squads simultaneously.

"It looks like talking, but it’s just words that comes out"
~ Andy Schleck

by Hons on Sep 25, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Limits on the number of teams that they can reliably count on to exist at that level?

Given the cost of supporting a protour team. Right now there’s a glut, but is that glut really reliable? And is it really real. Skil bailed. Cervelo has no interest. If there were more spots in major races b/c team sizes were smaller, don’t you think that’d make more teams think of taking that route, rather than less? Just thinking.

Not sure this is good for riders either. Less riders per race = less riders per team. So less spots. Maybe more teams, but possibly not enough to recoup the difference (a new team organization as a whole is surely more expensive than simply adding rider or two to an existing one). So probably fill the gaps with ProConti teams, which don’t have to pay riders as well, or even conti teams, which are even worse.

You see how calm Vaughters is? That’s because he’s really one giant seething ball of Evil inside. With like, extra Evil.

by Ed K on Sep 25, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lack of race radios...

… still wouldn’t have saved your Vuelta in the Ed. Liga Markos :)

"Jens! is my favorite rider. I love watching him handing out plates of hot, steaming suffer!" - Mahatma Gandhi

by crashdan on Sep 25, 2009 11:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ha!

I heart me some trash talk in the morning.

by gavia on Sep 25, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Morning Trashtalk... it smells of lavendar and contempt...

"Jens! is my favorite rider. I love watching him handing out plates of hot, steaming suffer!" - Mahatma Gandhi

by crashdan on Sep 25, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Si

ardoise = slate (of which chalkboards/blackboards were made)

by tedvdw on Sep 25, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The root of the word Ardoise

It goes back really far into history. One might say pre-history as in stone-age. The earliest known use was as a family name in fact. Here is the earliest known member of said family:

The rumors are not true, however, that the job of holding up the slate has passed down the generations of the same original family all this time.

by ursula on Sep 25, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Flagship? Oh I do like that!

"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.

by Albertina on Sep 25, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

really?

isn’t there a disturbing lack of "x"s in that word?

"Jens! is my favorite rider. I love watching him handing out plates of hot, steaming suffer!" - Mahatma Gandhi

by crashdan on Sep 25, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Flagtxip

Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.

by TheFigurehead on Sep 25, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah, you'd need to lose the t....flagxip would do it ;)

"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.

by Albertina on Sep 25, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent!

ABRUZZIAM...uh oh

by Chris... on Sep 25, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

adding

couldn’t the ToC use celebrity ardoisiers? This is California, after all.

ABRUZZIAM...uh oh

by Chris... on Sep 25, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No response yet from JB's twitter? Lame

although I did see this beaut

The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.

Dammit Elk! I don't care if it's your mating season, you are disturbing my peaceful sleep! Just STFU!

by Phil H. on Sep 25, 2009 3:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

One wonders when JB got the super-secret lobotomy...

…and why it doesn’t seem to have cut down on the aggression and made him any more pliable?

You see how calm Vaughters is? That’s because he’s really one giant seething ball of Evil inside. With like, extra Evil.

by Ed K on Sep 25, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's disturbing how, like a trained monkey

his twitter page was the first place I looked after reading this earlier today. and how disappointed I was by his lack of whine.

as much as I came to loathe the twitter drama, now I miss the twitter drama. shame on me.

by willowby on Sep 25, 2009 5:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

2010: Year of Rider Protests?

I do not think Di Luca will get elected as their spokesman though.

"As you can imagine, there are better places to have your birthday party than in some village called Mushny Mush Mishme." --The Wisdom of Jens

by Josenka on Sep 25, 2009 8:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

well

he is available…

"It looks like talking, but it’s just words that comes out"
~ Andy Schleck

by Hons on Sep 26, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

While I don't think this is the smartest move buy the UCI

It’s kind of on the same plain as the mods to track cycling at he Olympics. Stapleton (HTC) has suggested making the radio feed available to the public broadcast. Like NASCAR does he thought in the velonews article. I’m thinking that while it might have been entertaining to hear Cadel and his team car during the Vuelta mishap, all in all this is another step toward dumbing down the sport. I’m also not surprised to see The JB is against it, given what I’ve seen written here about his (micro)management style.

by Fred Marx on Sep 27, 2009 11:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm foursquare in favor of

making the feed available as a second channel. It’s mostly deadly dull, but when it’s interesting, it’s the sort of thing PdC members would go wild over. (this is based only on my domestic race radio exp, of course. But I suspect it extrapolates fairly well.)

by Sui Juris on Sep 27, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They're not talking about making individual team radios available yet, are they?

I thought this was just about the official beast known as “race radio”, the stuff broadcast from the chief commissaire’s car from just behind the peloton to all teams. “Cervelo has a puncture” “Bweeg looking for a water bottle” sort of stuff. I saw a recent documentary on YouTube (I think) taken from one of the big races about a french chap who was doing that job and it seemed an interesting sort of thing to get. Far better than the footage shot in the Cofidis team car at the London prologue of the Tour in 2007 “Allez Bradley” “Allez” “Allez Bradley” ad infinitum.

by Monty. on Sep 28, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The documentary

This, perhaps?

Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.

by TheFigurehead on Sep 28, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Couldn't teams steal the signal if it was made public?...

Then you couldn’t talk tactics on the radio without fear of somebody listening and being on the phone or by Bruyneel or a rival DS

by Vlaanderen90 on Sep 28, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

exaclty

then they would actually be used for rider safelty.

"It looks like talking, but it’s just words that comes out"
~ Andy Schleck

by Hons on Sep 28, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would (genuinely) be shocked

if every other team’s signal wasn’t already monitored by the rest of them. Pretty straightforward affair.

by Sui Juris on Sep 28, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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