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Valverde Hearing Complete, Decision Due in March

D_mediumAfter three days of hearings, the sports arbitration court (TAS-CAS) in Lausanne has adjourned to deliberate. In a key decision, the court declined to consider the question of extending Valverde's two year ban beyond Italy. The arbiters ruled that issue outside the scope of the present case, which focuses specifically on the legitimacy of the Italian sanction. The arbiters consider cases under appeal from the ground up, and over the last three days, they heard testimony from several key figures in the Puerto case and from the Italian anti-doping organizations. They expect to hand down a ruling on the legality of the Italian sanction against Valverde in March. If the court upholds the Italian sanction, the decision would open the way for the UCI and WADA to extend the Italian sanction world-wide.

On Wednesday, the Court heard testimony from Jesús Manzano, who rode for Kelme concurrently with Alejandro Valverde. Manzano described doping as a "way of life" for riders on the team. The former professional confirmed that Fuentes provided riders with EPO, testosterone, and other doping products. Valverde also spoke to the Court on Wednesday. The Spanish rider is currently in Australia preparing to start the Tour Down Under. Valverde denied the evidence offered by Manzano. He called Eufemio Fuentes, the controversial doctor at the center of the Operation Puerto case, "the brother of his personal doctor and that's all."

One of the now-classic memes of the Puerto case also resurfaced on Wednesday. What was your dog's name? Valverde denied having ever named his dog Piti, the alleged code name used for the rider in records kept by Fuentes. Quique Iglesias is a journalist for AS in Spain, and he interviewed Valverde at home in 2006. Inglesias confirmed that he had met the canine in question, and it did indeed carry the name Piti.

Throughout the torturous proceedings against Valverde, the rider's lawyers have claimed that the Italians received the evidence against the rider illegally. In response, the Italians have pointed to the cases against Ivan Basso and Michele Scarponi, in which the Spanish handed over the evidence pertaining to the two Italian riders. According to testimony this week, Valverde's name appeared among the documents CONI received in relation to Basso and Scarponi. In particular, the evidence transferred to Italy included a bit of hotel stationary listing riders by real name, as opposed to code names, and which linked them plainly to Fuentes. The willingness of the Spanish Judge Serrano to transmit documents in relation to Basso and Scarponi is probably the strongest argument against Valverde's claims that the Italian sanction is illegal.

Last, but certainly, not least, the Court heard testimony from anti-doping experts who examined the contents of the Piti blood bag. As you may recall, testing of the blood revealed traces of EPO. The Arbitration Court revisited that aspect of the case this week. The Court also retraced the path of the evidence from the blood bag from the WADA laboratory in Barcelona, where an Italian hematologist examined it, to the Italian anti-doping authorites (NAS), and finally to Rome, to the office of the chief prosecutor. In a press release issued today, Valverde asked the Court to carry out a new DNA comparison in a nuetral laboratory "outside the country of Italy."

In a press release issued today, the Court announced that "a final decision in this matter is not expected until March 2010." In the meantime, it appears that Valverde will continue to race, since the ban remains only in effect in Italy. If the Court upholds the ban, the UCI should extend it, because UCI rules require a ban in one country to apply to all member countries. Of course, these things are never as simple as the rule book might suggest, and it's likely that there are a few more legal maneuvers to play out before this story comes to an end.

—Sources, Gazzetta dello Sport, Sportpro.it, As.com, and press release from TAS-CAS.org. Multiple articles in each.

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this is a pissing match between Spanish and Italian doping authorities. This has no bearing on his guilt, just a gut feeling.

If you don't have time to do it right the first time, when are you going to have time to do it again?

by CannonDowell on Jan 15, 2010 3:06 PM EST reply actions  

in part

but the Italian authorities and the Spanish authorities certainly appear to have very different motivations w/ regards to doping

Moo

by Willj on Jan 15, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

March huh

now, I wonder why valv.piti would be targeting Paris-nice this year. ..weird.

"Today I was honked at...I caught up and made a great honking noise back...he caught up and said I'm gonna punch you in the face...I laughed."

~DZ

by Hons on Jan 15, 2010 3:30 PM EST reply actions  

+ a lot

Geeze, Every day I see cyclingnews, etc. I wonder “will it be over… or did the CAS make it last longer and longer and longer……”

by Douglas Ansel on Jan 16, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

It's interesting

that even the Spanish are saying that if Piti loses then the UCI will automatically extend the ban. At least the dog will be getting lots of long walks. A good chance to get to know his new name.

by Monty. on Jan 15, 2010 3:39 PM EST reply actions  

rofl

poor confused canine ;-)

by Jen See on Jan 15, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know

If Valv commits perjury on the dog’s behalf, does the dog get jail time too?

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris Fontecchio on Jan 15, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Not to tip my VDS hand or anything

but it sure seems like the fat is approaching the fire now.

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris Fontecchio on Jan 15, 2010 3:57 PM EST reply actions  

When do our rosters have to be in? April?

"Woof, woof, woof! That's my other dog imitation."

by Drew Davis on Jan 15, 2010 4:03 PM EST reply actions  

No

before Het Volk/Nieuwsblad. We will raise the curtain Feb 1 or thereabouts.

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris Fontecchio on Jan 15, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

If it ain't broke...

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris Fontecchio on Jan 15, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

or at least

don’t hide it from him very well.

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris Fontecchio on Jan 15, 2010 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

You guys missed the joke

I know they’re due in February, but his decision is due in March. So, ….fuck it, nevermind.

"Woof, woof, woof! That's my other dog imitation."

by Drew Davis on Jan 16, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

If the UCI did extend the ban, do we know how long it woud last

Would it finish 2 years after he was banned in Italy, or 2 years after he was banned everywhere else?

by William H on Jan 15, 2010 4:24 PM EST reply actions  

I don't see how it could be the former

given he has raced so much since the Italian ban

Moo

by Willj on Jan 15, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

or he could race in italy sooner

and then the rest of the world in a strange type of irony. Valverde racing just in Italy for about 9 monhts. hehe

Your bike doesn't want to crash so relax and let it roll!!!

by perezbike on Jan 15, 2010 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

In theory they are just extending the Italian ban worldwide

so it runs from the original date, all his results since then are wiped and Sammy Sanchez is the 2009 Vuelta winner. Any further ban may be dependent on the next CAS case where the UCI and WADA are challenging the Spanish decision to not start proceedings against Valverde.

by Monty. on Jan 16, 2010 7:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I know that may be standard

but I really hope that doesn’t happen. I don’t mind stripping results, but two years off should be two years with zero racing.

by Douglas Ansel on Jan 16, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not at all sure that it works the way Monty thinks.

Lots of people are assuming that it will, but presuming that V’s appeal was meaningful (and CAS did agree to hear it), I’d say he’s got a fair argument that he had every right to continue competing while due process went forward.

In fact, I find stripping results in this instance really problematic for exactly that reason. If the UCI didn’t see fit to confirm the ban pending his appeal, which they could have but didn’t, I’d say that there’s a real problem with turning around and saying, ‘oh b/c your appeal took more than a year to work out, everything you did while we waited on CAS is moot.’

I’m not saying this so much out of sympathy for Valverde, but imagine a similar situation in which the appeal vindicated the rider. If the rider had stopped competing while the appeal went forward, then he or she would have essentially allowed himself or herself to be punished for no good reason and in a way for which there is no real recourse.

It makes perfect sense from the point of view of anyone who is appealing a sanction to continue competing, if they are allowed to do so, while that appeal progresses; and it makes no sense whatsoever for them to refrain from competing in those circumstances.

Frankly, if the UCI didn’t prevent him from competing during the course of his appeal, I don’t see how they’d justify stripping him of the results that he gained during that time.

by Ed K on Jan 16, 2010 8:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I assume if a rider is found innocent

he can sue for damages to compensate for what he lost financially during the process. It well never suffice of course since he will be deprived of part of his career / chances to win but it is something.

No one will ever compensate the riders who have been ripped off by Valverde during this prolonged farce however.

It’s cruel but if the rider is sidelined during the process there is incentive for all parties to come to a speedy resolution of the matter. Frankly I think it’s better for one man to suffer than the entire peloton too, in a world without perfect solutions.

by Jens on Jan 16, 2010 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Typically that is how these things have been handled...

…presumptive suspension / haitus based on first positive control. And where that’s the case your argument makes sense and I tend to agree, especially since there is a well established procedure to get you to the point where the control / provisional suspension is announced.

The problem is that this entire structure has broken down in this instance, and not by any means entirely through the fault of Valverde. The Spanish authorities are at least as responsible as he is, and the UCI, by waiting for the CAS to tell it what to do, rather than doing what it thinks it should do and allowing CAS to rule on that, has also contributed to the breakdown. In fact, in the current situation, the UCI has contributed more to the mess than anyone else.

In effect, the UCI has basically avoided its own responsibility for determining whether a national sanction is valid, and therefore deserves to be globalized, choosing instead to allow the national sanction to be enforced and wait more than a year for CAS to rule on its legitimacy, and use that ruling as a basis for deciding on whether to globalize. This is, frankly, incoherent. Either the UCI thinks the sanction is valid, in which case it should have globalized it, or it has questions about its validity, in which case it should have asked the Italians to hold off enforcing it pending the appeal as well as doing so itself.

And since CAS is not set up to do things quickly and efficiently, being a body largely devoted to appeals, the net result of that has been the production of a situation where no possible resolution is going to be anything other than arbitrary and irregular.

What I’m suggesting is that I’m not at all sure that it makes sense for the UCi to retroactively strip V of results in more than a year’s worth of races in which they allowed him to compete knowing full well what the Italians claimed to have against him. I think there’s a non-trivial, non-ridiculous case to be made that if they let him compete, knowing what they knew, then they should let the results stand and ban him going forward. And to be honest, the fact that there is such a case, as well as the fact that almost any punitive regime that is now imposed on Valverde is going to have serious falws, is largely the result of the UCI failing to adopt a coherent approach to dealing with this situation in the first place.

by Ed K on Jan 16, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

On the the timing of the sentence, in theory

the ridiculous version would be the most fair . Let’s say CAS upholds the italian suspension, AV has already been unable to ride in Italy for one year so the ban there should only last one more year. The UCI will no doubt globalize the italian ban and should then be in effect for 2 years from the date they make that decicion. No retroactivity. That version is “fair” but in reality so silly I can’t imagine it’s ever going to happen.

In some sense the UCI have done the right thing in waiting to globalize but clearly their desire to cover their own ass has contributed to the absurdity. They are right in the sense that determining guilt is never up to them. The system is based on what you in the US call “full faith and credit”. UCI makes no actual decisions to suspend riders, individual federations do and the UCI simply assures that those decisions are upheld in all countries.

In this case they have said that there is no point in making a second decision based on a ruling that is still not final due to appeals. It may be a bit spineless and have complicated effects but there is some sense to it especially since they stand to lose tons of money should the italian ruling be deemed incorrect.

by Jens on Jan 17, 2010 3:40 AM EST up reply actions  

You're probably right re: fair.

I’d dispute the ‘full faith and credit’ thing, however. How many times have you read something like the following sentence in a UCi press release: ‘we are evaluating the evidence submitted by the national federation to determine whether to extend the ban’. Assuming they’re not full of shit when they say this, then they do evaluate, and not just ratify, these decisions. And given that, well much of the rest of what I said above seems to follow.

In any event, I think we can both agree that this hasn’t been handled well, and the degree of arbitrariness that seems to have creeped into the process by this point is worrying to the extent that might become a precedent, even for how ‘puerto-esque’ cases might be handled.

by Ed K on Jan 17, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

The whole Valv.piti dog thing...

is a bit of a joke in my opinion. It’s a quirky element to the case but surely it must be dismissed by the court as circumstantial. Even if a blood bag had ‘Alejandro Valverde’ printed on it, that still shouldn’t be enough to prove anything, anybody could have stuck a Valverde sticker on the bag, erroneously or otherwise. Surely only testing of the blood versus Valverde’s blood is the only way to prove whether it’s his blood or not. Whatever label is attched to the blood bag is moot.

http://www.irishpeloton.com/

by irishpeloton on Jan 15, 2010 4:44 PM EST reply actions  

agreed

Maybe not dismissed but put in its place. If you have a reliable way to test DNA, that means a lot more than what someone wrote on a label.

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris Fontecchio on Jan 15, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Well it was only interesting to the extent that it pointed investigators

in the right direction as to who’s blood could be tested for a match with the blood-bags. Valv.Piti surely created a reasonable suspicion against AV. Once the match had been made it became pretty uninteresting. As evidence it alway had no value.

by Jens on Jan 15, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

They tested the DNA in the blood bag

and matched it to a sample taken from Valverde. So, that part has been established by Italian investigators. What the dog thing does is establish Valverde’s lack of credibility in the case. He said he didn’t have a dog named Piti, that he didn’t know Fuentes, and that he didn’t dope. Well, it looks like he does have a dog named Piti. Also, he apparently knew Fuentes, because Manzano established that AV visited the doctor. So, yes, directly the dog thing is not all that important, but indirectly it serves to undermine Valverde’s credibility just as the same lie undermined Basso’s cred.

by Jen See on Jan 15, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

You suggest that this prosecution is just two men and a dog in Italy making it up as they go along

Nothing could be further from the truth. Doping is illegal in Italy and the Italians have a dedicated police force, NAS, to oppose it. The name on the blood bags just provided a start for the investigation but the case itself is built on far more solid ground. NAS obtained a sample from the Valv.Piti blood bag through perfectly normal, legal international channels, took great care to document every stage of the transmission of that sample back to Italy and had it analysed in a proper, modern, forensic laboratory. They then compared the DNA from those tests to DNA they had obtained directly from Valverde when he rode in Italy a little while ago and obtained a match. Their is some supporting documentation about when the blood itself was drawn and intended to be used, and Valverde rode in Italy during that period. That’s the case and it satisfied the Italian authorities.

From CAS this week we learned that the opening procedural arguments established that the court wasn’t going to rule on whether or not the UCI and WADA should extend the ban worldwide (which I understood as them telling both organisations to go away and – much as I hate the phrase – grow a pair), but that it believed that the Italian courts had every right to sanction Valverde, and teh one area on which it was going to make its final judgement was on whether they had done so properly.

by Monty. on Jan 16, 2010 7:52 AM EST up reply actions  

so many guilty cyclists like valverde, contador

are getting to live their dreams, rake in fame, fortune, and make a good name, while others like basso, chicken, ullrich, vino, ricco are villified while some of them have been more cooperative. Fair is fair, all i want is the full truth to come out, for everyone involved with fuentes, whose dna are in those blood bags to be prosecuted equally by the uci/wada.

by agl on Jan 15, 2010 5:55 PM EST reply actions  

Don't throw around names when there is no evidence

assuming is one thing, claiming as if to be certain truth is another(and I think you know whom I taking about).

March 14, 2010: The great one returns!

by Phil H. on Jan 15, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Valverde?

"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H

by Frinking on Jan 15, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

My apologies

but i have this gut feeling that not enough was made of why 5 astana riders were acquitted of any wrong doing per “lack of evidence.” As i recall, one of those five did quite well for themselves in the last few years.

by agl on Jan 15, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Phil's right though. 'gut feelings' are yours to have,

but unless it’s proven to be true, it’s best not to bandy names around.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Jan 15, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

bandy? are you kidding me?

I had to look that up because, I swear, to my recollection I have never seen or heard that word used. Where do you Aussies find these words.

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Jan 15, 2010 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

We blame the Poms;) It's convenient..

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Jan 15, 2010 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

While we're doing etymology, apparently our use of 'fine' re. the weather is also strange...

What do you use instead?

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Jan 15, 2010 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't find it strange to use 'fine' that way.

‘nice’ is probably used more.

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Jan 15, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah, 'nice'... the English teacher's nightmare...

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Jan 15, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Jan 15, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm 'mericun, and

am very familiar with the word bandy – quite common i thought. But then kooky was clear as day to me too. Age thing?

But props to both the brits and aussies for their incredible vocabularies of bizarro words.

by yeehoo on Jan 17, 2010 5:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I think it's an age thing, though I hate to say it..

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Jan 17, 2010 5:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Knew it neither..

But knew “The Kooks”

"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H

by Frinking on Jan 17, 2010 6:19 AM EST up reply actions  

So now you do know it. You're like a sponge,

you soak up new words and expressions every day. I envy you.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Jan 17, 2010 6:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Bandy names?

I can give you loads of Bandy names, it’s a fine sport. But my team sucks this year.

Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.

by TheFigurehead on Jan 16, 2010 4:28 AM EST up reply actions  

This year?

Every year since Claesson went to Bajen , no?

by Jens on Jan 16, 2010 6:12 AM EST up reply actions  

They've had a couple of decent seasons

Last year wasn’t too shabby, not the year before either. Nothing like the good old days, but they have at least reached the playoffs.

Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.

by TheFigurehead on Jan 16, 2010 6:28 AM EST up reply actions  

No biggie

as I said, assume as much as you want(even I have my suspicions, although more so from the Liberty days) just don’t say it as fact until it becomes one.

March 14, 2010: The great one returns!

by Phil H. on Jan 15, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

"The rain in Spain stays mainly in the plain."

Where was I going with this? Oh yea, it’s not a true statement. It might sound fun rolling off the tongue but it’s still misleading and easy to mistake as the truth.

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Jan 15, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow! Sminer Lou will be so proud...

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Jan 15, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

You're right, but we've learnt weather is a great antidote to all those drugs ;)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Jan 15, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

You befuddle me sometimes

i guess its the aussie speak, cultural barriers i haven’t broken yet sadly

by agl on Jan 15, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

No, sorry for confusing you. When, during the Vuelta various discussions had the potential to become heated

Lou suggested, and many agreed, that rather than an argument a discussion about the weather would be preferrable. Australian English is sometimes strange I know… but this time it was about keeping the peace ;)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Jan 15, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Please

im all about the peace, im not a fighter, im a luver

by agl on Jan 15, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I know... which is why knowing about the weather is good.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Jan 15, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

From "My Fair Lady"?

I believe I’m correct.

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Jan 15, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep

Here it is.

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Jan 15, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Save your sorrow for guys like Bassons who tried to do it clean

Anyway, CONI may have a lot more up their sleeves. According to this Spanich report, they took samples from 42 different blood bags on their little trip to Madrid, just one of which relates to Valverde. On top of that we learnt that they have 6,000 odd bits of paper with something written on. If the Spanish didn’t notice that the name Valverde was clearly there on one, then there may be all sorts of goodies yet to come to light.

by Monty. on Jan 16, 2010 8:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes

The bit from this week’s hearing about how the Italians received a bunch of uncategorized evidence, some of which included the real names of riders. Heh, that’s an explosive bit of information right there. Who’s next on the CONI docket? I guess we’ll find out in March.

by Jen See on Jan 16, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Of course if the Italians lose the case

we may never know who else CONI has evidence against. I kinda wonder how the UCI will get involved in these matters, can they coroborate the evidence with CONI if the courts say CONI did not have the jurisdiction to supend Valverde, or will the legal carousel go around again with the UCI using the proceedings as reasoning to go back after the Spanish to collect evidence. If the Spanish courts are merely covering their tracks by refusing to acknowledge the entirety of Puerto (just idle speculation, not saying they are), the evidence could be more explosive than originally thought, but we’ll have to wait a few months til this round of the Puerto dealings is through til we know that.

by agl on Jan 16, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmm

I think if TAS-CAS strikes the ban, the Puerto dies. If the valverde ban is upheld, we’ll probably hear more about what’s in the files. But I’m not sure the Italians will devote further resources to chasing cases that the arbiters will strike.

Me, I think the Italian ban will be upheld. Vediamo.

by Jen See on Jan 16, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks Gav.

The CN piece didn’t make it very clear what was going on with this case. I’m at the point where I don’t believe anything I read there until I see it verified somewhere else.

by The Team Chef on Jan 16, 2010 1:34 AM EST reply actions  

Wise...

…they’re full of shit so much of the time, when they’re not mangling English grammar to the point of being incomprehensible.

by Ed K on Jan 16, 2010 2:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I've found CN's reporting to be quite good on this one

the analysis seems fair, but they just got a bit bogged down in the details. Or the lawyers insisted on rewriting it a bit.

by Monty. on Jan 16, 2010 8:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

I think Shane Stokes has been doing the writing on this one, and he’s usually pretty good. It’s a complicated case, so I’m not surprised that people are having trouble following it. I spent a fair amount of time reading the articles and writing this piece actually.

by Jen See on Jan 16, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, that was more a general whine than a specific one.

I’ve been mostly reading gav on this for awhile. My CN thing has become sort of knee jerk.

by Ed K on Jan 16, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

+10

Ver para creer.

Some people are born to be spectators, some people are born to make a spectacle and some are born to be mere fans.

by Chainring on Jan 17, 2010 1:40 AM EST up reply actions  

A DNA test using a neutral lab

has been suggested by Valverde himself.

CONI opposes the test. You just have to wonder why…

Some people are born to be spectators, some people are born to make a spectacle and some are born to be mere fans.

by Chainring on Jan 18, 2010 10:08 PM EST reply actions  

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