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Around SBN: What If This Is It For The Celtics? End Of An Era Looming

Bob Stapleton's CN interview lobs a few warning shots in the direction of Aigle . . .

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That's a good interview right there.

And you’re right, he has some pointed words for the Aigle people.

by Jen See on Oct 19, 2010 3:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Since your comment Pat does it again

What is gained by UCI by not explaining its actions/process properly. ie waiting on WADA tests of…… plastics?, hair? meat? retesting? A & B were positive, an explanation is required. If they are conducting more testing to make sure winner of TdF is pos why not say it? A reasonable action.
“We don’t treat him (Bert) differently than the others” (Li Fuyu ?)
Pat M answers nothing and just creates more questions and is certainly not giving the appearance of “reliable governance” that Bob was asking for. Is he a loose cannon or ill advised?

by Clubrider on Oct 19, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Howmans response to McQuaid
Pat McQuaid added to the general confusion and consternation swirling around Contador on Tuesday when he implied that the federation was waiting for “results” from WADA before taking action.

WADA director general David Howman told ESPN.com that was incorrect. “I don’t understand that at all,” Howman said in a telephone interview Tuesday. “I’ll see him tomorrow and ask him about it. I have no idea what he means by that.”

Bonnie F ESPN

by Clubrider on Oct 19, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like he's not too happy with the folks in...ah...

[looks up where CONI is located] Rome, either.

I am not afraid of guys who are too pussy to wax.--tedvdw

by majope on Oct 19, 2010 3:38 PM EDT reply actions  

You know what they say in cycling

If it’s horribly broke, don’t fix it.

"is "il re di stile" correct, or are the Google Translate gnomes drunk again?" - Majope

by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 19, 2010 4:45 PM EDT reply actions  

indeed

but not sure i like the team emphasis. understand it from his perspective but I think ultimately it’s individuals who are the heroes: we talk about Bartali, Merckx, Hinnault and so on as the greats. Not, say, the Molteni team of 1974 or US Postal 1999 or whatever it might be.

by thebongolian on Oct 19, 2010 5:01 PM EDT reply actions  

he & Vaughters both seem very keen on this franchise thingy...

American model?

"What happened in British Cycling, a lot of people doubted me. I've come back, got this victory, and done it my way." - Adam Blythe after his first pro win at Circuit Franco Belge

by civetta on Oct 20, 2010 5:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm probably pushing this interview too far

but it leaves me wondering if Stapleton’s putting pressure on UCI isn’t a flanking move for the real offensive against the Thom Weisel/Ochowiz wing of USPro.

Us peons rarely see the behind-the-scenes control struggles waged by the rich folks who see cycling as their play-thing (Weisel, Ellis, Stapleton—and to some degree Andy Rihs, even though he’s Swiss). This interview might be evidence that Stapleton especially is moving against the Weisel block that has controlled USPro for a while now.

by R Mc on Oct 20, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

interesting

I think there’s probably something in that

"What happened in British Cycling, a lot of people doubted me. I've come back, got this victory, and done it my way." - Adam Blythe after his first pro win at Circuit Franco Belge

by civetta on Oct 20, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. And the whole problem with a "league"

like ProTour or World Cup or whatever, is it’s a snoozer. There’s so much variation in the character of the races. Individual races or tours is where the excitement and strategy lies. Who cares if Quick Step can outlast Lotto over a season including all those mountains and stage races? I care who wins Flanders.
 

by hughw on Oct 20, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup, agree

And the race-organizers know that too and milk it for all it’s worth.

The “league” idea isn’t so much important from the competition perspective though but rather from the sponsorship/economic reasons. Solid and predictable rules for race-participation are essential to secure sponsors. The current version where the best way to secure participation is to suck up to the organizers is slowly killing the sport I think. Somehow the race-organizers and UCI are going to have to agree on a compromise.

by Jens on Oct 21, 2010 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

One place the interview did not go....

Great interview missed it initially especially Di Luca’s return and general UCI incompetence.

It’s relatively a smaller issue would have liked a question re Cav’s complaints re bonus’s etc.
I have heard rumours that HTC do not pay big dollars to any riders in comparison to other teams (I have no evidence of this) and that cav"s contract may not be that good for his profile in 2011 as he signed it for 2009-11 I think. I guess that BS is not going to partake in public negotiations about a particular contract.
Probably a smart idea to pay less when you are winning heaps of stuff with younger guys, and some who leave partly for $ don’t go as well ie EBH
Would like to know what their pay structure /philosophy is on setting $ for contracts. Anyone have any educated guess’s or info?

by Clubrider on Oct 19, 2010 9:49 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't think either HTC or Saxo have ever been the ones paying the biggest money

This is one reason you see riders moving on as they reach star status. Riis and Stapleton will no/cannot match the biggest offers. And yet those teams are the ones with the most wins year after year. It’s not a coincidence.

I have absolutely no sympathy for Cav’s (or other riders in similar position) complaints about “poor” terms for 2011. In a negotiation there is always the balance of longterm security vs. one-time payout. Cav signed a long contract from a strong negotiating-position (4 Tour stages etc.). You signed a contract you thought was beneficial to you at the time, live with it.

by Jens on Oct 20, 2010 3:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Live with it

And prepare for the next round of negotiations.

There are 2 ways - the easy way and the way that I did it.

by omnevelnihil on Oct 20, 2010 4:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didnt think of saxo like that

But all these were probably initially cheap signings
Porte
Schlec’s
Breschel
Fuglsang
Chis Sørensen
I guess the older Domestiques would be a reasonable price too.

When did they sign FC?

by Clubrider on Oct 20, 2010 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

2006 I think. Riis wouldn’t let him ride TdF

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 20, 2010 9:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

F Schleck was really cheap even

I’ve heard one version that his salary was paid by private sponsors initially. Not sure if it is true.

The case of cheap neos succeed like Porte and Sagan usually solve themselves by teams offering extentions/new contracts early to secure the talents.

by Jens on Oct 20, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

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