Moment of Snark
by Jen See on Nov 24, 2010 12:14 PM EST
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PrintBrought to you by VeloNews: Masters racer suspended for EPO, which apparently did nothing for him.
Update: Oooh, look! Another one! Let's let VeloNation take this one, shall we?
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That's a bit pathetic.
And I hope he’s lurking. LAMEO!
"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton
ha!
He was probably trying to win the local group ride.
Also, no doubt this was what The Experts call non-analytic evidence. Someone got caught buying from the wrong person.
hover over their results link
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
zing...
That kind of makes up for the poor quality CX photo of Horner they ran earlier in the week.
Anyone who has every thought a working Photojournalist has a glam job needs to rethink...
by Christopher See on Nov 24, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
the ultimate insult...
You’re a masters fattie. You suck. You buy that s&^% and use it, get caught and have no restitution to pay.
Only the Stigmata of Suckage to bear.
Anyone who has every thought a working Photojournalist has a glam job needs to rethink...
by Christopher See on Nov 24, 2010 1:23 PM EST reply actions
This probably won't be such an isolated incident any more.
The UCI has decided to create more reasons for amateurs to dope. I can easily imagine more masters trying to hang on to their youth by winning one of these titles.. 99.99% of us can’t win without doping so we can assume that if winning is the only reward then some will rely on doping.
"It’s nothing secretive but it’s kept internal . . ." - Pat McQuaid
They can take as much as they want
If they don’t do the training to go along with it, their results will still be shitty. Just like this guy.
"Your not going won't unbreak her arm."
If you invest the time and train wisely and have all the right equipment
and you still need help to justify (to your significant other or self) all your time and investment what are you going to do. It only takes a couple losers to make the wrong decision and test positive and that will dominate the headlines, nothing else will matter to the press. So I’m thinking “Why does the UCI put out the bait?”
"It’s nothing secretive but it’s kept internal . . ." - Pat McQuaid
By that argument, everyone should also lie on their resume. And every other aspect of life.
If someone don’t like riding a bike, hard, for its own sake, why the HELL is he racing? No, you’re not going to win, unless you happen to have a great combination of physique, stamina, workout strategy and luck. GET OVER IT.
If knowing that winning isn’t in the cards is a reason to either take your bike and go home, or take dope and make an ass out of yourself? Then PLEASE take the bike, go home, hack you Kinect and go win bike races on Second Life or something. Leave regular old life for the people who are equipped to enjoy it.
Just imagine...
What the 30-odd guys who regularly beat him are taking.
"It's just a bike race" - Frank Schleck
More HTFU pills than he is, evidently
My fruit bowl is full of sex wax--gavia
by Douglas Ansel on Nov 24, 2010 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think that follows at all.
For example, I am positive that if I doped to the gills I still couldn’t beat anyone in anything – it’s just not in my genes or whatever. Doping is just the icing on the cake for some. To win, you still need to be dedicated, and talented.
One should be a little careful accusing someone for just beating a doper.
moo
My friend beats me all the time and is doped to the gills on...
crullers:
"Bitches, they were bitches"
- tgsgirl
by JustJoshinYa on Nov 25, 2010 8:23 AM EST up reply actions
One should be a little careful accusing someone for just beating a doper.
Is it ok if I accuse everyone equally?
Honestly, as a middling cat 3 masters racer I am very amused at the idea that a fellow middling cat 3 masters racer is doping, and that USAC cares enough about it to make a show of suspending him. Really, it’s just a bike race.
"It's just a bike race" - Frank Schleck
What if...
Pure speculation here of course but could it be possible that confessed doper and dedicated DNF’er Neal Schubel was actually buying the stuff for somebody else? There is no medical evidence that it actually entered his veins, and the results do not indicate this either.
Perhaps he supplied it to somebody with the same family name, living in the same town with an impressive list of results. http://usacycling.org/results/index.php?compid=179648 and having been busted he takes the rap.
Could this be possible??
and then there were two. looks to me like this is the fallout of the joe papp stuff. they both appear to have been caught due to their purchase of the drug, rather than testing positive. who’s next?
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
There was a guy here in the UK who was busted for taking it
to ride sportives. Not even races ffs, sportives!!!
sportives are awesome!
but to take some drug that could kill you, to help you do well in them? Lunacy! and missing the point!
by Sarah Connolly on Nov 25, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Anybody got something that can get me through the Drumstick Dash today?
It’s raining. I want to finish as quickly as possible.
The most important thing isn't how many days you spend fetching bottles, it's how much you enjoyed doing it--Fabian Cancellara
'Sprain' your ankle...only briefly debilitating :)
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
get the flu like me, and it gets ya out of having to run.
Course, the side effects suck. Hugging the toilet isn’t that fun…
"Bitches, they were bitches"
- tgsgirl
by JustJoshinYa on Nov 25, 2010 8:25 AM EST up reply actions
A dumbarse, for sure
if only for the health implications. Although Michele Ferrari says EPO is as safe as orange juice, if you know what you are doing. But why would they even test for the stuff in a cyclosportive setting? Who cares what anybody’s on. If he decides that he needs it to enjoy the ride, let him take it (provided he acquires it legally). Same as asthma medicine: sometimes it is life-saving, sometimes it enables leading a normal life. Riding cyclosportives is an essential part of the normal life for some legitimately asthmatic people, so they take another puff at the start. Foul dopers?
the thing is, if you're buying it online, do you know how to take it sensibly?
I can’t remember the ins-and-outs of that case, but I think there was a level of blatancy that mean he had to be tested, because his results were ridiculous – and I think the UK drug agency/whatever it is who tests for these things was wanting to send a message of “wtf, you’re taking something that can kill you, to do better on something like this?”
the difference between EPO & asthma medication is that asthma medication is given by doctors, there are regular check-ups, and if things look a little wonky, people are swapped onto something different. I take medication for my thyroid, for instance – and if I wanted to lose a bit of weight (which I need to right now) I could up my dosage, no problems. But I don’t, because it has all sorts of other effects, and although could give me a short-term benefit, would be really, really stupid
by Sarah Connolly on Nov 25, 2010 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
(plus, I could lose the same weight by not drinking booze or eating cakes… it’s hardly “Take EPO or you can’t ride a sportive”, is it?)
by Sarah Connolly on Nov 25, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
(I mean in the same way it’s “take asthma meds or you can’t breathe”)
by Sarah Connolly on Nov 25, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Sure, I agree with most of that
and like I said, he’s a fucking deluded moron. (Wait, how did I phrase it again?) But I stand by this principle: let people take what they want to ride sportives. Who cares? Not I, and so-called competitors shouldn’t either, in my opinion.
I brought up the asthma thing because it has levels of severity: people who take their asthma meds to enable them to ride a sportive would probably survive without the meds if they went home and had a nice cuppa on the couch instead. So, while I certainly don’t want to deny them the pleasure of riding sportives, that does essentially make them dopers, I think. Artificial performance enhancement. Hey, I dope as well by drinking coffee if that allows me to do better work. Just saying that what is doping to some may be a way to function “normally” for others. If your EPO dude got in a huge depression because he finished in the bottom half of every sportive (the horror!) and the EPO allowed him to finish a few places up and feel better; more power to him…
The fact that he probably got it illegally is another thing. Perhaps they went after him on that trail.
I get your point, but
if he’s having massive depression for being in the bottom of a sportive, he’s probably got wider issues that need more help… haha, just like the advice re viagra, not to buy it off the ’net but to go to a doctor to check your not just fixing a symptom of something, erm, bigger
by Sarah Connolly on Nov 25, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
He'd be more convincing if
he added a couple of `hyuck, hyuck’s’ in there and posted a picture of Uncle Dad. Otherwise I’m sceptical.
That everyone's connected, yeah
that makes sense. Really, U.S. cycling is a small world. But I don’t really buy the idea that if Eddy B hadn’t come over and brought his “east bloc methods,” that the U.S. riders would have virtuously avoided doping. If it hadn’t been Eddy B, it would have been someone else.
That seems a bit silly yes
but I can see how he might have taken them from curious bumbling amateurs to very professional and effective in a much shorter time than it would otherwise have taken them. He probably did bring knowhow on a whole other level at the time.
yeah
maybe so. i guess i have a hard time with the idea that… hmm, how to say… that the americans pre-eddy b were all pure as driven snow, and it took “east bloc eddy” to change that.
dunno if i’m making sense there. no big anyway ;)
two things:
1. I’ve heard rumorage that Mr. Borysewicz was run off from Polish coaching for being too understanding of riders. In other words—not good enough with “throwing the eggs against the wall” or “squeezing the lemons.”
2. Just what sort of expertise did the people at USCF who hired Borysewicz think they were getting? Ed Burke was quite respected in pubs like Bicycling for a long time . . . and he, along with B, ok’d the blood doping regimen for the LA Olympics. Did Borysewicz begin Carmichael’s famous briefcase?
You're making perfect sense
I think it’s the fact it’s easier to think of riders from one’s own country as being naïve and corrupted by an outside influence, picked up from those nasty Eastern Bloc types, than it is to think they were complicit in things, and would have done it anyway – salves the national pride.
by Sarah Connolly on Nov 27, 2010 8:19 AM EST up reply actions
He loses either way
’cos if he really was dumb enough to hand around his laptop, access to email, credit card details, presumably the info like cc billing address, presumably missed the large payments skipping off his cc etc etc etc, then he should be banned as “too stupid to race”….
by Sarah Connolly on Nov 26, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
Check Facebook
Schubel “explains” his use of EPO on his Facebook page. He even shares the gains he received from using it.
by Chief Commissaire on Nov 25, 2010 4:39 PM EST reply actions
Though it's undoubtedly wrong, I understand the curiosity
It seems he was interested in seeing the difference, but his intent to use it during competition is admittedly vague in that statement.
As for him not getting stellar results, I think it’s understandable. If he did 332w for 30min, his FTP is around 320w. For a cat 3, which he was at least last year, that’s not as hot as it sounds, especially since he’s not rail thin. I know people in the 300-320w FTP range (around 4.5 w/kg) who are Cat 3s and they’re strong but certainly still struggle for good results in the southern Michigan area, especially those without a strong finishing kick.
My fruit bowl is full of sex wax--gavia
by Douglas Ansel on Nov 26, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
Or alternatively...
He has the wattage, but has no idea what to do with it. You know, tactics and stuff.
Oh yah, I know...
I’ve got the wattage, trying to figure out how to make it actually work for me ;-). That’s the hardest part!
My fruit bowl is full of sex wax--gavia
by Douglas Ansel on Nov 26, 2010 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
The official suspension should really be for "sucking at life" or "failing at life"
I believe that would be more fitting for such a cause.
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