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On The Drops: The Challenges of Finding Sponsorship

Horizon On the Drops Women's Cycling Team As part of our series of what goes on behind the scenes of running a women's cycling team, DS Stefan Wyman sits down with a cappuccino and tells the cafe about the challenges of finding team sponsors for Horizon Fitness RT.

So grab as big a latte as possible because Gav's paying and feel free to ask us your questions at the end... that goes to you fans of men's cycling too. 

Star-divide

What hope is there for women’s cycling?

 

OK, sounds like doom and gloom, and perhaps it is. Sports sponsorship is dominated by 2 things; 'Men' & 'TV Coverage'. When you compare that to the world of women’s cycling, there’s an obvious problem. More importantly to us is that women’s participation number seem to be outgrowing the men….but investment in women’s racing hasn’t taken off at all.

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I’ve been involved in women’s cycling for 7 years now and it’s not the easiest of environments. To get a long term agreement with a sponsor isn’t easy and to catch ‘the big one’ is virtually impossible. This makes keeping riders motivated to stay in the sport harder every year. It would be easy to just give up; I’ve considered it many times (Many, Many Many times). But perhaps it’s by staying involved that will create the stability needed for a few riders to actually fulfill their dreams. That is the motivating factor for sure.

 

For 2011, my team has retained it titled sponsor, Horizon Fitness. This is something of a landmark for us. Every year we have had great support, but for one reason or another sponsorship ends at the end of year one; and with it goes valuable structure, time and plans. But Horizon has really stepped up to the mark and shares our vision for the sport. So we feel very lucky to have them on board. But how do we get sponsor number 2?

 

Jonathan Vaughters recently wrote on cyclingnews ‘Imagine you're the VP of marketing in a multi-national company and you get a proposal to sponsor a cycling team. My guess is this proposal would be similar to the ones we at Slipstream Sports are constantly pitching. In this proposal, it's clear that your team will participate in all the top races in the world, a few medium-sized ones in key areas for your company, and, of course, Le Tour. After a look at the demographics cycling fans cover, the total television audiences, the number of countries TV coverage goes to, the total volume of "all in" media coverage, you decide investment makes sense. Your CPT (cost per thousand) for viewership crushes any other sport in efficiency - you'll probably get a raise!

 

For us in women’s cycling, it’s a different prospect. We do exactly the same as any Professional team to start with; Identify Potential Sponsor, Send Proposal, Show Races, Show Riders….but then we hit TV coverage. Eerrr, there is none! You can watch the World Champs, or the Track, but that’s not our jersey the riders are in. So going back to JV’s point, the head of marketing is actually putting his neck on the line by sponsoring a women’s team, rather than seeking a raise!

 

So why do sponsors get involved. One major thing is women’s cycling is accessible. You can actually talk to the riders and the team staff. Much of the time they are ‘normal’ people that you can relate to. Many have great stories about how they climbed the ladder to the top of the sport and the sacrifices made along the way. Couple with this is the fact that these ‘normal’ people are riding for very little reward, and an overwhelmingly huge majority doing it without the assistance of performance enhancing drugs. Women’s cycling is an honest game and something people can trust….and therefore relate to.

 

Another part of being accessible is cost. Women’s cycling is a LOT cheaper to get involved with. I think many people would be shocked at the low budgets in women’s cycling. It’s always been an area I can’t understand as to why the UCI haven’t introduced a rule that ensures all ProTour teams have a women’s team. For 5% of the budget of a men’s team, you could have a sustainable women’s team, with 12 riders earning a small income. Why do all ProTour races not have a women’s race like Fleche Wallonne and Tour of Flanders do. Perhaps the 2 areas go hand in hand. I’m sure as a TV company that has already set up its camera’s next to a course, you’d have no major problem filming the women’s race if it’s on before the men, on the same day….2 birds with one stone.

 

If this were the case, women’s racing would have 18 true professional team, around 200 paid riders, and TV coverage to allow the introduction of new sponsors. What a wonderful world.

 

Img_10211_mediumSo a lot of my time is spent identifying areas that we really need support. I can’t afford the time to be dreaming of getting a sponsor who’ll give us a 6 figure deal. I spend my time talking to the riders, identifying their needs and then pursuing those needs. Obviously that involves money, as without that we can’t go to races. We have to get a balance of races that includes where we can afford to go to, what the riders would like to do and what is right for the demographic of our sponsors. We have to do exactly the same in terms of racing equipment, striking the balance between what we can afford, what the rider want/need in an ideal world, and what our partners can provide.

 

These issues obviously don’t help performance and they also don’t help when it comes to providing the best possible return. So we have to be creative and ensure our sponsors are rewarded for their input beyond their expectations. One area where we took the initiative this year was the backing of the Horizon Fitness GP in Stoke on Trent. The home town of our title sponsor was to be home to a Tour Series city centre crit…..for men. A few phone calls later and the wheels were set in motion for a women’s race. The event was success and work is already being done to try to improve things for 2011. This race also attracted TV coverage….again 2 birds with one stone. (Video of Horizon Fitness GP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0fa3s866L4)

 

At this point in time Horizon Fitness Racing Team is at a cross roads. We’re really happy with where we are. We’re able to support a good amount of riders and seem to get the balance right in terms of racing and equipment for the riders we select. However we are looking for a 2nd sponsor…a co-sponsor. That would transform things for us. We’ve had discussion with major stars of racing about joining the team, and we know where we could take the team given the chance. More investment would mean more focus on the areas of the team that directly relate to performance. It would also allow more investment in the structure of women’s racing.

 

Without that 2nd (or 3rd..haha) sponsor, we’ll continue as we are. We’ll be happy to give as many riders as possible a bit of a step up and help lead riders into the world of cycling on the right foot and at the same time reward our partners. Not only with our team, but in our structure of feeder teams and with advise and encouragement along the way.

 

So all in all it’s not simple. There is no quick fix. It’s going to take time, structure and a few powerful souls to get on the case. But we’re going to keep plugging away, looking for partners that can take us, and more importantly the riders and the sport forward. Fingers crossed they are lurking just around the corner.

 

All photos have loving pinched with permission from the team's site www.onthedrops.com

You can find the Team and Stef on Twitter

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Obviously you didn't get Frinkings memo.

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Dec 14, 2010 10:24 AM EST reply actions  

Frinky can suck it.

I mean that in the best possible way of course ;)

by Jen See on Dec 14, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Frinkings Memo

Was that the one about a to-do-list for mens cycling…..not much point me following those guidelines

by ds_stef on Dec 14, 2010 10:33 AM EST reply actions  

Wait...

I’m buying? (Digs frantically in the couch cushions.)

Okay, I’m looking forward to reading this one.

by Jen See on Dec 14, 2010 12:12 PM EST reply actions  

I had two lattes and a cupcake

Thanks Gav

Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...

by TheFigurehead on Dec 14, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Loved this story

And big thanks to ds_stef for the time. I think the back-end (so to speak) of pro cycling is terribly interesting, and it’s obviously essential to the quality of the racing we fans end up seeing.

by Sui Juris on Dec 14, 2010 1:13 PM EST reply actions  

+1

Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...

by TheFigurehead on Dec 14, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

+2

"What happened in British Cycling, a lot of people doubted me. I've come back, got this victory, and done it my way." - Adam Blythe after his first pro win at Circuit Franco Belge

by civetta on Dec 14, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Great read Stef, thanks for this!

Also, may I say, your jerseys are really very nice.

Death before decaf! :D
- gavia

by tgsgirl on Dec 14, 2010 1:39 PM EST reply actions  

Happy to talk....

…..about any areas of running the team. If there are any suggestions for the next one….just say.

Jersey’s do look cool. Hope the 2011 ones are as well received.

by ds_stef on Dec 14, 2010 1:45 PM EST reply actions  

What I'm interested in is

how DO you sell women’s racing? I mean, you know I love it, right, what what’s the hook? What evidence do you use to show your sponsors how well your team has done? And looking at the big teams, what do you think the secret is of getting long-term sponsorship?

by Sarah Connolly on Dec 14, 2010 1:49 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks, it's always nice to get more idea of what goes on behind the scenes

we always (or is it just me) seem to come back to the Team Sky fancy bus comparison. By the sound of it, just one of those could keep you going for between five and ten years. I wonder if the bus will last that long.

I don’t think that the picture’s so bleak on TV coverage. We’ve found video of almost all races this year (and Pigeons has dug up another couple new to me in her latest article), and tried to publicise it as much as possible. OK it often isn’t network stuff that the casual viewer is going to stumble across while channel hopping, but there is something. At the level you race at (I guess that you are equivalent to a men’s Continental team) it’s probably as much as the men get.

by Monty. on Dec 14, 2010 2:21 PM EST reply actions  

TV

Hi Monty. In Holland things are getting better. But what you’ll find in respect of TV coverage is it’s very local. It is then uploaded to the net, and circulated among the women’s cycling world.

The target is outside those areas….new views, national or international TV.

But it is good that things are getting better….youtube has helped that for sure. And I think it’s made everyone in women’s cycling work even harder.

I think the big difference is when you look at Tour of Flanders for example. I live in Belgium and we have full coverage of the men’s race….from about 2 hours before the start, to 2 hours after….the women get 2 minutes. But, thats a start.

by ds_stef on Dec 14, 2010 2:29 PM EST reply actions  

Flanders

This year there was a slightly longer highlights thing from Sporza – maybe ten minutes. That was actually a pretty nice upgrade. You could at least see what mostly happened. Even highlights would be awesome, though obvy live would be best.

It seems to me this is one of the big things preventing women’s cycling from gaining fans – it’s hard for people to get enthusiastic about a sport they can’t see. It’s a pipedream to wish that the UCI would step in, but really, I wish they would step in as “the broadcaster of last resort” and run internet coverage of the women’s world cup, where the race organizers can’t sell media rights. It’s frustrating – I can watch every minute of every heat of women’s world tour surf contests online. But I can’t watch women’s cycling’s world cup? There are way way way more women who ride bikes than surf. To me, this seems like a massive massive marketing fail on the part of the cycling industry.

by Jen See on Dec 14, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Flanders TV

I think TV or at least some video for the World Cups is happening.

It’s all the other events that are an issue.

World Cups are for UCI Pro or National team only.

What about the little fish going to 1.1 or 1.2 races….trying to hook a sponsor or build a fan base to gain more partners…..at that level its no going on yet

by ds_stef on Dec 14, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe

but there ain’t a lot of coverage of lower level sport anywhere, be it cycling or third division footie. How much return does a team like Miche give to its sponsor? I bet that Horizon break even on their sponsorship just through internal marketing, stuff like mags they send their members, or posters on the wall and leaflets in the foyer. It just helps to show that they take their female members seriously.

by Monty. on Dec 14, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps….but I guess if they broke even that easy…more people would line up with an equal sum to co-sponsor the team. Or title sponsor another team.

Totally agree with you about lower level sport. I think my only point on this relates back to the structure of women’s cycling. There is Pro…and not pro. So where exactly do we sit?

3rd div football…is 3rd div football. So 2 down from the top, and 2 about my beloved Luton Town who sit in what is effectively the 5th div of UK football.

by ds_stef on Dec 14, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I reckon that Horizon is a special case in that respect

‘cos something like that wouldn’t work for e.g. LPR Brakes. But then again Fassa Bortolo sponsor a team, and if I was looking for sponsorship I wouldn’t automatically think “let’s ask the cement company”.

by Monty. on Dec 14, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe they are. But I think they are typical of a non-cycling industry company who are prepared to work a little for a great return.

by ds_stef on Dec 14, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Happening how?

I’ve heard mention of this before, who would be behind that?

by Jens on Dec 14, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

What annoys me is that they are all filmed anyway

Because we get the UCI youtube channel that shows them without commentary – just little highlights packages of a couple of minutes or so – but they must be filming most of the races, or they couldn’t catch the decisive moments… so there is substantial film out there, somewhere, just waiting to be edited & commentated and put together…

I often wonder how much/how possible it would be to buy it and get someone to talk over it, & shove it up online – and what the justification for not just throwing the whole race online is. Bandwidth issues? We all know sites where we can watch coverage of past races for free, from piratical (in the nicest possible way) folks doing it for free….

by Sarah Connolly on Dec 15, 2010 4:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't know what the problem is

but the whole point of You Tube is that they do all the bandwidth stuff for you.

by Monty. on Dec 15, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh it's not perfect

but if people do catch one of the two or three races that get decent coverage (and RAI in Italy are really great – half an hour a day for the Giro and Trentino, almost an hour for Alfredo Binda) then they can keep in touch with the sport over the year. Oddly enough it’s the historical stuff that is harder to find; when a team closes then usually the whole website vanishes a month or two later.

by Monty. on Dec 14, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Totally agree Monty.

Perhaps we need a central site that gives us easy to access to it all….oh, hang on….watch this space.

by ds_stef on Dec 14, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha Ha.

All season long I’ve been dropping unsubtle hints that if anyone connected to the race sees a telly team then could they get a friend to sign up here and tell us who those telly people were. Just what is written on the stickers stuck to the bike, or on the side of the van would help. Lots and Lots of this regional stuff is available officially on line through the station website. That’s how we saw the Thuringen Rundfahrt and the Giornata Rosa among others.

At some point I shall have to make a reference post with all the regional Italian stations I know that do that, but for now here’s one more, TV Prato 39 which has a weekly hour-long cycling show that gets posted on the web soon afterwards. This week’s show (the one that’s not there yet) will have an interview with Rasa Leleivyte. There’s no contents, so what you get in other shows is a bit pot luck.

by Monty. on Dec 14, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

An organised list, nope

although if you go back through every race thread this year you’d probably get the lot ……

Motomedia team – a group of Belgians who get together to film bike races as a hobby/ because the are fans/ I haven’t really got a clue why but I’m very grateful to them.

L’Ora del Ciclismo from AB Channel, archive kept on Ciclonews.it

Pianettagiovani

Mediolanum used to have some stuff too, but they’ve been flashified

by Monty. on Dec 14, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Right

But for many of us, Worlds is the only race we see. I get Worlds, I get the Mur de Huy, and I get the ten minute thingy Sporza did on the Ronde. I happened to catch one stage of the Giro Donne, because I was watching an illegal stream of RAI’s Tour de France coverage. Not surprisingly, that stream got shut down the next day. The Tour is very vigilant about protecting it’s rights.

For video to increase fan interest, it has to be easy to find, we should know when it’s going to happen, where to find it. Otherwise, it’s not very useful. My time and patience is pretty limited for searching for this stuff, and I already like the sport. Someone not super interested is going to give up pretty quickly.

With the men’s races, it’s more difficult because the race organizers are selling the rights to big media, obviously. The women’s races, often no one has bought the rights. That means, they could be streamed centrally on the cheap.

by Jen See on Dec 15, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

RAI have been talking about making RAISport2 their cycling channel

which might make a lot of it available officially. They have been pretty nice in the past at only geo-restricting what they have to.

by Monty. on Dec 15, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Whats the Hook

I guess thats the magic question.

At the moment I think it will take a huge shift in women’s cycling to get long term sponsors on board at a top level.

For example…..There is only one level of Pro team in women’s racing…..that needs to change (2 levels of registration and development teams) clearer distinction between races, a new points system. The list could go on.

HTC get it….and so did Cervelo. But it will interesting to see if Garmin/Cervelo keep a women’s squad beyond 1 year.

I personally find the key to keep is a sponsor is having a 2 way relationship. The sponsor has to want to be involved. They can’t give you some product or money, and sit back and watch it on TV, or on magazine covers. They have to put some effort into making it work.

So we have to set out clear ideas of what we want to do and how we think we are going to going there. If we all pull together it can work for sure.

It’s easy for people to see what coverage is on the internet so they can value their return from that. Keeping our own website up-to-date is essential, and again getting sponsors to use the news is also key. Horizon Fitness have done that very well this year.

Pictures with product are always required. Putting news out while its still current helps…..all the basic things.

Being open, like I think we are as a team is also a focus for us. We want to do things our way as we beleive its a good way. If a sponsor can relate to the team, it’s got to help….hasn’t it?

Making riders available for appearences for product launches etc. Having stars like Sarah Storey and Jo Rowsell is a bonus here. But it’s also a great development opportunity for younger riders to learn why a sponsor is helping them.

by ds_stef on Dec 14, 2010 2:40 PM EST reply actions  

The Internet Helps...

The benefit of having a strong and active web presence is that you have easy and instantaneous access to hard facts. It’s often difficult to quantify the success of a new project, however it is a bit easier when you can see how much traffic is directed towards your site and how the demographic is made up. Anthony Tan & NYV kind of touched on this in his interview.

Personally, I think that the Internet is crucial for the growth of minority sports like women’s cycling. It’s hard to quantify how much interest there is in the sport without putting the information out there and creating a place where everyone knows to go for information on women’s cycling… places like the Podium cafe.

I’d also like to add it’s important to get the negative feedback from people who follow only men’s cycling. It’s always good to get balanced feedback on why someone who likes cycling will only take interest in one aspect of the sport.

by S2_art on Dec 14, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd like to know more about that bit

The men’s fans who aren’t women’s fans – and why people are interested in women’s racing. So much so, that I’ve considered putting together some kind of survey to circulate about what people like about cycling and why they watch.

I think part of the answer to whether people will be interested in women’s racing will be why they are interested in the sport more generally.

Really, I haven’t figured out how to frame the question about why people don’t follow women’s racing. Okay, maybe I just did…

by Jen See on Dec 14, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I liked Marijn de Vries quote when i interviewed her

about how she doesn’t understand why men watch men racing, not the more attractive women!

by Sarah Connolly on Dec 15, 2010 5:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Providing coverage

I wonder if there would be value in the teams (or races) pitching in to produce some – hmm, “internet quality”? – video coverage of races. Transmit via a regular and common channel, so it could demonstrate viewership/reach. No charge – just make the stream available. I’m not calling for a full blown network-quality level of production (which would be very expensive (in relative terms)), but rather Two Guys, a Camera Near the Line, and Wireless Access. Spread the expense among the teams, but everyone gets the full benefit when pitching sponsors.

by Sui Juris on Dec 14, 2010 3:33 PM EST reply actions  

Chicken and Egg….

Both races and team struggle with budget….therefore can’t afford the coverage….but without it, it won’t get better quickly…

by ds_stef on Dec 14, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

With the risk of sounding like a broken record

The UCI are the ones who ought to get the ball rolling by facilitating coverage.

Coverage→more sponsors→higher quality >more interest→more coverage- >more sponsormoney etc.

It would be the cheapest way for them to promote women’s cycling.

by Jens on Dec 14, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

This kind of thing, it should be what the sport’s governing body does. But in this case, bah! We’re not going to get it.

Really, the industry co’s who have women’s lines should work together to fund something along these lines. But then, most of the big industry co’s are run by dudes, who probably don’t know anything about women’s cycling. I think there needs to be a cultural change within the industry before there will be greater support for the women’s side of the sport.

by Jen See on Dec 14, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Quite understood

Which is why I’m not talking about a TV crew. I’m talking about, quite literally, two guys, a camera, and internet access. Surely there’s decent wireless broadband at a price around most races. And yes, the two guys should be of the bright sort. The kind that, realizing that there’s no way they can produce decent mobile video at an event, can get a good spot near the announcer and add explanatory text to the stream of the announcer. The pitch to other teams is: if we can set this up, every one of us will be able to tell our sponsors that we’re racing 1) on video 2) in front of a global audience. As fortunes improve, so does quality of coverage.

(And yes, as Jens notes, this is the sort of thing that the UCI should be doing. But since they’re good for fuck all, I’d like to see the teams take it into their own hands.)

by Sui Juris on Dec 14, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe not even that

An semi-organized effort by some enterprising individuals with cell phones could be a good start. Hell, by the time it gets to youtube the video quality is only marginally relevant.

"It was getting colder and colder as we went up. About halfway up, I started to go a little backwards and as I passed Thor he looked at me and said, "If you lose my wheel I will smash you." I took his wheel and found an extra gear." João Correia

by jsallee00 on Dec 14, 2010 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Manel Lacambra, when he was DSing the US team at l'Aude

posted little videos from the team car – so how about if the first car the convoys did more videoing? It would be cheap, but so much fun

by Sarah Connolly on Dec 15, 2010 5:02 AM EST up reply actions  

It would be cheap….if you had an Iphone or Blueberry…..and a federation paying your data bill…….not being funny, but cheap is relative to your budget

If you spend your time taking video….you also might be taking your eye off the ball a little.

I know everyone can do more, but it ain’t cheap

by ds_stef on Dec 15, 2010 5:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I wonder how HTC would respond to their phones being used in such a manner?

  Womens race coverage and highlights “Powered by HTC” or perhaps they have competition who want a voice.

"It’s nothing secretive but it’s kept internal . . ." - Pat McQuaid

by flying dog on Dec 15, 2010 8:35 AM EST up reply actions  

When they started posting daily tweets from Ina Teutenberg, from Tour de l'Aude

they demonstrated their fabulousness…. and there are people like Mr Ash Moolman and Mr Vicki Whitelaw, and Anton Vos who tweet & blog race info…. I know they don’t have the same level of mechanics/support at races, but hell, I’d go out & do race updates for free, if they asked me – and it can’t be THAT hard to find someone vaguely connected to each team to share info, can it?

by Sarah Connolly on Dec 15, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't necessarily mean live (though that would be awesome)

but really, setting up a static camera in the car, &/or asking a soigneur to shoot finish-line films, and uploading it, can’t be THAT hard – I mean, people film & upload race coverage for free, with no benefit to themselves, just philanthropic intentions 9and i love them all!)

by Sarah Connolly on Dec 15, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Official Invitation

Dear Pigeons

Should you wish to accept, you are appointed the official race day media guru for Horizon Fitness.

Please bring a camera, a phone, Haribo sweets, and like for over-cooked pasta when in France.

We look forward to hearing from you.

Stefan

DS – HFRT

by ds_stef on Dec 15, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

nailed it :D

Please share content between the Cafe and Horizon’s team’s site.

I think we’ve just about covered it, haven’t we? ;)

by Jen See on Dec 15, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha, I'm totally there!

you would not believe the amount of kit I have access to through my uni course! ;-)

by Sarah Connolly on Dec 15, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Well lets get planning….I think you just accepted the job….

by ds_stef on Dec 16, 2010 6:10 AM EST up reply actions  

YAY!

    May this be the first pebble in what will be a media avalanche. Good Luck Pigeons!

"It’s nothing secretive but it’s kept internal . . ." - Pat McQuaid

by flying dog on Dec 16, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

You said it Flying Dog.

Now where is my bloddy pen again, I gotta get planning. Need a red carpet if Pigeons is coming to town

by ds_stef on Dec 16, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I love your idea

It works with other sports and events. It could definitely work in women’s cycling. If people see something as a guerilla style or (extremely) low budget video, they accept it for what it is. Passionate people getting a story out.

by S2_art on Dec 14, 2010 4:08 PM EST reply actions  

I was watching the Tour of the Battenkill last spring.

    There was a guy (employee of the race promoter) out on the course with a Motorola Droid taking this video and others from different spots on the course and streaming it live on the internet. There also was another link for text updates. With very limited funds it is possible to put out some video with commentary. And this race was in a very rural area of New York State, about 70 miles (110k+) from Albany the state capital. The guy’s biggest problem was that his battery died.

"It’s nothing secretive but it’s kept internal . . ." - Pat McQuaid

by flying dog on Dec 14, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

That's really cool

I’m loving these links for video sites and what people are already doing. I’d suggest the biggest limitations are time and coordination. Pigeons and I have discussed at great length the importance of having senior members of women’s cycling (riders, owners and managers) around a table and discuss ideas like this. There’s a wealth of professional knowledge in women’s cycling, a lot of it riding the bikes. Someone just needs to coordinate things a bit.

by S2_art on Dec 14, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Stop looking to the UCI

Seriously….not going to happen. The sport needs to control itself…not rely on the UCI at the minute…..

by ds_stef on Dec 14, 2010 4:25 PM EST reply actions  

I'm wondering what makes a women's sport popular or not

Popular sport is overwhelmingly male. There are a few sports where the women get anywhere near the same coverage and opportunities: tennis is pretty much the only one outside Olympic sports like athletics, swimming, rowing etc.

Dunno why that is but if cycling could make the leap it would be the exception rather than the norm. I suspect it might be something to do with participation, which would bode well certainly in non-traditional cycling countries like the US, Britain, Oz where more and more girls are cycling recreationally and for sport

by thebongolian on Dec 14, 2010 5:55 PM EST reply actions  

But cycling already is the exception, on the track at least

This has always confused me, especially as I got into road via track – because on the track it’s equal coverage. I know, I know, it’s easier to show as it’s a controlled environment – but the point is, Eurosport, for example, show it equally-ish. So when the footage exists for road races, why not buy that too? When i look t some of the “sports” on E/sport, surely a little bit of road coverage wouldn’t kill them….

by Sarah Connolly on Dec 15, 2010 5:06 AM EST up reply actions  

i'd classify track cycling as an olympic sport

you get to see the olympics and the world champs and that’s it. pretty similar to swimming or rowing or skiing or figure skating in coverage terms as well as the male / female split

as to what eurosport covers i’d agree but suspect the fans of touring cars or whatever think there’s far too much cycling, particularly, come may and july. ultimately they don’t think they’ll get the eyeballs and hence the advertising dollars

by thebongolian on Dec 15, 2010 6:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes but they show some World Cups & the World Champs as well as the Olympics

I’m not suggesting E/sport replace things like the cars/motorbikes, even the winter sports, with women’s cycling. But over summer, on days there were races, they were showing things like beach volleyball, American 10-pin bowling, and competitive lumber-jacking. I completely understand that women’s cycling isn’t going to beat the tennis, but they show way more obscure sports, and I’d love to know some of their rationale.

Oh, triathlon is another sport they show equally, and there has to be more of a market for women’s road cycling than tri…

by Sarah Connolly on Dec 15, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

you'd think

Triathlon as a spectator sport is pretty doom, really.

by Jen See on Dec 15, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

worse than dull

total doom! lol, yeah, it’s really boring, at least, it was the one time i saw it broadcast. maybe it’s gotten better? somehow?

by Jen See on Dec 15, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

i only seem to see the motobikes and touring cars

i’m guessing it’s net that determines what they show. the weird sports are easy to film so a producer can sell the rights cheaply and make a profit. so if E/sport get some eyeballs they’re quids in.

also would be interested to know what the track coverage was like say 5 years ago and is like outside GB – suspect we’re in a slightly unique in the coverage it gets and thats only since we started getting very good at it

by thebongolian on Dec 15, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I turn it on at random intervals, often on women's race days

so I can get grumpy I’m not watching cycling, haha!

Not, really because you can’t actually trust what they publish as their schedule, so I pop in every now & again, & get sucked into some insane sport in a kind of horrified fascination! Plus…. beach volleyball? I know they wear bikinis, but really, is that a sport???

by Sarah Connolly on Dec 15, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

When you look specifically at women’s cycling, it’s an after thought for most people. Sponsors, team and the governing bodies and Federations.

I guess the difference between Ski-Jumping and 10 pin bowling, is the people in power had a plan….spoke to the TV companies with a good proposal and got an amazing result.

I guess thats the big difference….

by ds_stef on Dec 15, 2010 1:39 PM EST reply actions  

yep

And that needs to change.

by Jen See on Dec 15, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Another big difference is two or three fixed cameras

and ski jumping and ten pin bowling (add darts, snooker etc etc) is adequately televised.. Cycling is just damned expensive to broadcast properly.

But coverage remains the major key to growth. And it doesn’t need to be on tv – it can be done online.

I’d aim high. Cycling could set up it’s own broadcasting company.
“Tax” the world tour teams 1% of budget next year (call it a development tax/licence fee increase/whatever) and tell them now so they can plan for it. Raises about €2M. Set up a not for profit. Buy a helicopter, motos, fancy van with gizmos, cameras, all the necessary web/broadcasting stuff, pay the requisite staff and broadcast the races. Would be enough money to last for a year. Televise the womens world cup (UCI got the rights for that), televise other womens events, televise some mens races that get no current coverage (they are paying for it after all) of which there are many, maybe some espoir stuff even. Create a platform that teams hunting sponsorship can point to and use.
Do it well, make it dirt cheap, make it available on demand, and make it as easy to pay for as it is to vote in a reality tv show (e.g., by sending a sms/text message), create ready made highlights packages available cheaply etc and plough any money made back into the sport. Next year – tax the teams again and expand.
The model might even make money in the long run.. but if it didn’t then at least any money raised during the experiment has stayed in cycling.

by andrewp on Dec 15, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Sponsorship Follow Up

We received an amusing response from one of the companies we approached, it gave us the idea of doing a follow up in the new year once everything for the team is set. If you’ve got any suggestions/questions for it (or any other posts) feel free to drop us an email podiumcafe@onthedrops.com as at some stage we’ll no doubt lose track of this thread.

by S2_art on Dec 16, 2010 8:23 AM EST reply actions  

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