Tour de Haut Var Stage 2 ....LIVE
by Jens on Feb 21, 2010 2:15 AM EST
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Draguignan - Montauroux features another uphill finish, slightly tougher than Saturday's stage 1 won by Ag2r's Rinaldo Nocentini. Nocentini grabbed a few seconds lead but is by no means assured of the overall win on this tough course.
Stage 2 feed starts at 15:00 CET (09.00 AM US eastern, 01:00 AEST)
Live video at France3 or alternatives at cyclingfans
Official site here with startlist and profiles of the stage and final km's
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2nd again! Grrrrrrrrrr!
You may not see much of me later (yet again) as I’ll be out for a ride and then I have to go to a rehearsal (bah reherasals!). And do I watch this or the cross??!
Is that a question?
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
Ramblings of a madwoman, I reckon ;-)
I don’t think I’ll ever understand the mud fetish thing…
Mud plus cold... don't forget the cold!
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Have you ever seen a race?
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
These are the riders within 6 seconds of the lead
The finish is tougher than yesterday but most likely the overall leader should be among these. Hard to se Nocentini give up that much time, this is his kind of terrain. That said I seem to remember LL Sannchez losing a pretty solid lead last year.
1 Rinaldo Nocentini (Ita) AG2R La Mondiale 3:58:53
2 Samuel Dumoulin (Fra) Cofidis, Le Credit En Ligne 0:00:03
3 Bert De Waele (Bel) Landbouwkrediet
4 Christophe Le Mevel (Fra) Française Des Jeux
5 Mathieu Drujon (Fra) Caisse d’Epargne
6 Jérémie Galland (Fra) Saur – Sojasun 0:00:06
7 Steven Tronet (Fra) Roubaix Lille Metropole
8 Michel Kreder (Ned) Garmin – Transitions
9 Jonas Aaen Jörgensen (Den) Team Saxo Bank
10 Julien El Fares (Fra) Cofidis, Le Credit En Ligne
11 Jérôme Pineau (Fra) Quick Step
12 Aitor Hernandez Gutierrez (Spa) Euskaltel – Euskadi
13 Guillaume Faucon (Fra) Big Mat – Auber 93
14 Daniel Martin (Irl) Garmin – Transitions
15 Cédric Pineau (Fra) Roubaix Lille Metropole
16 Johan Mombaerts (Fra) Big Mat – Auber 93
17 Romain Lemarchand (Fra) Big Mat – Auber 93
18 Florian Guillou (Fra) Bretagne – Schuller
There doesn't appear to be coverage today for some reason.
so i figured people would post updates here. I’m off to work. If there is a feed someone could do a fanpost?
It's the TT today so that could be the reason...
or it could be because of the storms that killed 32 people off the coast of Portugal on an island? Horrible.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
There is coverage at 2330h on eurosport here
Not sure if it’s live or yesterdays??
"the rest was over 30. And that doesn't mean old and useless, but experienced and with the stamina"
Jens! Voigt, Crit Intl Interview, 2009
if it's not TT it's not today for Algarve
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
come on voeckler...
"well...you live in england so: you love the rain. loves the queen. hates cycling. based on mr bean had a tremendous amount of humour. all ride in a mini cooper. all getting drunk before the age of 12. getting drunk at least 3 times a day."- frinking, 7/9/09
Haut Var seems to be the race blessed by the weather-gods judging by the tweeps
@EuroHoody Horrendous conditions here in Algarve – looks like waves of rain blowing in off the Atlantic, so some riders will have better than others
@schleckfrank Ohh it s really nasty down here,Jeezzz wet wind rain what else could we ask for, but hey the good part on it is. Rain is good 4the garden (Ruta del Sol)
@antmccrossan We are at the 17k point just after the first king of the mountains. Its absolutely beautiful here. Suns out, slight chill in the air,no wind (reporting from Haut Var)
Re Algarve - this is google translate of the first couple of messages from the ticker (just started)
The wind is very strong, but the rain is present, under the showers.
In recognition of the route that we have seen that there are several areas very dangerous. With about 5 kilometers, the runners will encounter a dangerous turning downhill, with wet road. At about 3 kilometers from the end, there is a downhill road with high pedestrian crossings which follows a left turn dangerous. Moreover, in different sections of the route the rain swept rocks and mud onto the road and elsewhere there are pools that occupy the entire lane.
Latest from Algarve
13h35: O belga Sebastien Rosseler (RadioShack) terá o melhor tempo com 21m48s. No entanto, fomos informados de que alguns tempos estão errados, devido a um problema informático. Aguardamos confirmação dos resultados.
Rosseler new leader – but having difficulties confirming times
Prior to that top three were
13h19: três melhores tempos nesta altura:
1º Mário Costa (Barbot-Siper), 22m29s
2º Andrey Amador (Caisse D’Epargne), 22m47s
3º Nelson Oliveira (Xacobeo Galicia), 22m54s
with just over a half of the field finished
Millar known to have fallen, but finished
Weather update
from ticker (via google translate)
At the finish line the road is dry, the same is true in much of the route. Runners who start their evidence later if the weather does not change, will in this respect, benefit.
Current standings:
1. Sebastien Rosseler (RadioShack) 21:48
2. Mario Costa (Barbot-Siper) a 41
3. Craig Lewis (Columbia) a 43
It's fun to beat Cancellara--Edvald Boasson Hagen
Rosseler continues at top (for now).
1º Sebastien Rosseler (RadioShack), 21m48s
2º Imanol Erviti (Caisse d’Epargne), 22m18s
3º Maartin Tjallinghi (Rabobank), 22m20s
It's fun to beat Cancellara--Edvald Boasson Hagen
Not you but it is: Maarten Tjallingi
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
Prepara-se para partir Levi Leipheimer (RadioShack). Depois só falta a saída de Samuel Sánchez (Euskaltel-Euskadi), Tiago Machado (RadioShack) e o líder, Alberto Contador (Astana).
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
currently second: Frantisek Rabon (HTC-Columbia): 21m55s
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
after a period of sun, rain again... just as conta goes off
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
Andalucia
Biciciclismo has a ticker. 4 escapees: Rosendo (Andalucía-CajaSur), Beuret (Carmiooro), Egoitz García (Caja Rural) y Rosetto (Vacansoleil) got up to a max of about 8 minutes, but are being brought back by Milram, Columbia, and Sky. At km 78 (of 159.2), gap was at 4:25.
It's fun to beat Cancellara--Edvald Boasson Hagen
Meanwhile at Andalucia
115km of 159km covered, four leaders have a gap of 2.35 and sky now driving the peloton
Hello everyone. I'm actually here.
I bailed on the long ride today because I’m sick to death of getting wet and cold. I did an hour on the turbo instead and here I am! But I will be darting between this and the cross. And I have to go out in an hour and forty minutes…grrr.
Good morning!
Even if you will insist it’s afternoon. Me, I’m barely finishing my first cup of coffee.
It's fun to beat Cancellara--Edvald Boasson Hagen
You're lucky anyway to be able to ride
We’re having a lousy winter here… not a lot of snow, but enough to prevent cycling (except with a low quality bike, which I don’t have). I tought this meant that so little snow would mean riding early in March…. but we’re expecting 30cm this week if the forecast is correct.
Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill (F. Coppi)
France 3 has some sort of intro on.
But it’s just a loop that keeps replaying. Will try another from CF…
It's fun to beat Cancellara--Edvald Boasson Hagen
That's what I have too.
I hope it starts as I’ve managed to find a page where I can watch the cross on the same screen!
Yeah, just saw that at cyclingfans.
Oh, well. Hope it works at half past.
It's fun to beat Cancellara--Edvald Boasson Hagen
Well, if they're going to strip down...
What was the link again?
It's fun to beat Cancellara--Edvald Boasson Hagen
Well, if they were all mudfests, we probably wouldn't appreciate it so much.
It's fun to beat Cancellara--Edvald Boasson Hagen
Any french residents know if the stage will be on terrestrial France 3
say France 3 Cote Azur?
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according to my television guide thingy
it won’t. Maybe try extraterrestrial? After all, the coneheads were french.
dommage....
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by bradBordeaux on Feb 21, 2010 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
my wife convinced me that I was a looser for hangin out and talkin shop
so i just turned my desk…
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by bradBordeaux on Feb 21, 2010 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
I haven't put a team in
is it too late…
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by bradBordeaux on Feb 21, 2010 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
will do, thanks
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by bradBordeaux on Feb 21, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
just a warning
riders cost a lot more this year….be prepared…..and blame ursula if you end up with 10 1-pointers.
yeah, noticed that
I really can’t suss out this upcoming season…all I know is the tour goes by my front door….WORD!!!!!
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by bradBordeaux on Feb 21, 2010 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
Muahaha Albert with a.. super start..
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
Eeh noo.. He's dead last
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
And Franzoi! ahead.. Last cross uodate
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
No.. Boom is 8th
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
Aaaah.. ;)
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
TT? What??
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
You can say anything about Albert..
But he’s making always spectacle..
1. How many places can you lose in the first 10 secs?
2. How many places can you win in a whole race?
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
I'm anticipating a charge from him...come on Niels.
He really needs to work on that start for next season….
He should.. It's soooooo bad
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
Nys superstrong.. In 1/2 lap he bridged
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
bah nys?
seditious….
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by bradBordeaux on Feb 21, 2010 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
2500 euro if you win the intermediate sprint :S
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
And I lied.. Sorry.. Wasn't the last update
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
1. Stybar 2 Nys 3 Pauwels 4 Wellens
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
Wellens attacked.. But well.. you saw yhat
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
ALbert lost 5secs.. Now place 12
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
Oh.. He's now in the Nys group
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
Oh.. You are sure? He just said one sprint.. I thought?
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
I might be wrong, but that seems an awful lot for one sprint!
Mind you, you’re the one who speaks Dutch!
That's what I thought too.. Number 2 and 3 get nothing...
Hmm.. I dunno
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
Yep.. Sluitings-closing
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
-==
Should work
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
Yep.. Biiiiiiiiiiiig peloton now
Simunek, Aernouts, de Knegt, Nys, Sven, Franzoi and others
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
Ah, Gazet van Antwerpen
I was wondering why they named all these races for Greg Van Avermaet.
It's fun to beat Cancellara--Edvald Boasson Hagen
Any idea...
… after whom they name the GP Sven Nys?
What? What happens when you meet a stranger in the Alps?
by FaustoCoppock on Feb 21, 2010 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
Does that mean that the Omloops are not named after Geert Omloop?
Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.
by TheFigurehead on Feb 21, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Athe national Championships not after Champion?
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
Hi everyone
Finally I can make it to a live thread
Is it just me or the France 3 coverage is not working?
Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill (F. Coppi)
Ok, I'll stick to watching the Olympics on tv for now
Or yesterday’s best moments… even if there were too few of that for us
Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill (F. Coppi)
nope
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by bradBordeaux on Feb 21, 2010 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
Other race news
All now started at Algarve – Rosseler still leading – rabon now second
(14h30: Segundo melhor tempo para Frantisek Rabon (HTC-Columbia): 21m55s. Sebastien Rosseler (RadioShack) continua com o melhor tempo: 21m48s.)
Andalucia – Breakaway gap down to 1.40 and looking doomed with 30km to go
adding a late wetaher update (via google) for algarve
After a few hours of sun, the clouds fill the sky and rain is expected as the top-ranked programs are on the road. It will be an added danger, especially as the track is quite technical.
STARTED
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this is a gyp. last year was 4+ hours each day
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
three actually
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
whoops, then make it four
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
Di gregorio, Moncoutie, Gautier, Danielson
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
new season
same ugly Ag2R shorts
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Bartje is Aernouts..
No??
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
good ride for sicard
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raced once or twice with him last year
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by bradBordeaux on Feb 21, 2010 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
yep
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by bradBordeaux on Feb 21, 2010 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
:O what... Who are you? Superman?
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
no, he was an elite amateur last year
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by bradBordeaux on Feb 21, 2010 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
Did you show him your ass?
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
all I remember was my handlebars, I was in the red from the word 'go'
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by bradBordeaux on Feb 21, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
what did I miss....
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by bradBordeaux on Feb 21, 2010 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
are the pyrenees still granite?
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by bradBordeaux on Feb 21, 2010 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
let us not go there again....
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by bradBordeaux on Feb 21, 2010 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
1 secs I was wondering was it appropriate..
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
40 ish
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by bradBordeaux on Feb 21, 2010 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
5 laps to go
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
20 s for tete de la course
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nice
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by bradBordeaux on Feb 21, 2010 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
or, as he's called by his pals, luisle
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
it's a spanish thing.... juan manual garate is known as juanma
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
Andalucia
15:39 Kilometer 135 (To 24 km of goal): Sky, and also Milram, Columbia and Lampre, collaborate in the squad and the advantage is only of 1:15.
AG2R is pacing the peloton?
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
should be a real good finish
the break will be caught with a good 30k to go
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They just attacked...
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
at algarve, 4 left to come home
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
oops, 3 left
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
22.07 for samu
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
Oops.. Ciao Albert
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
His saddle was broken?!?!
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
It was.. Poor guy muahaha
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
Crash?
Did a drunk Nys fan drag him off his bike?
What? What happens when you meet a stranger in the Alps?
by FaustoCoppock on Feb 21, 2010 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
No.. He's fading away..
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
I can relate.
What? What happens when you meet a stranger in the Alps?
by FaustoCoppock on Feb 21, 2010 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
He's the king of bad luck this year. Poor boy.
Who’s the other AA Drink guy with Thijs Al? Is that Eddy?
Uuuuh?
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
I have seen one AA Drink.. 20 minutes ago..
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
Breakaway in Algavre just 10secs gap
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
wrong race there
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
No Haut var of course
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
tiago, 22.02
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
conta 21.45
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
wins algarve
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
...
Contador com 21m45s. Segundo melhor registo. Vencedor da Volta ao Algarve.
not bad for a sandbagger... luisle wins the stage
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
it's gonna be a battle
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
Sicard and Gautier???
Ha.. Why is nobody reacting on the live stream?
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
Algarve:
Etapa:
1. Luis León Sánchez (Caisse d’Epargne) 21:32
2. Alberto Contador (Astana) 21:45
3. Sebastien Rosseler (RadioShack) 21:48
4. Levi Leipheimer (Radio Shack) 21:54
5. Tiago Machado (RadioShack) 22:02
6. Samuel Sánchez (Euskaltel-Euskadi) 22:07
General:
1. Alberto Contador (Astana)
2. Luis León Sánchez (Caisse d’Epargne)
3. Tiago Machado (RadioShack)
fedrigo....
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Now Didier attacks.. (Saxo)
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
Now it gets interesting - the last 5km are dreadful
With lots of 16 – 20% Saw that f schleck and jacob f describing it as very hard via twitter
You have stream??
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
Now only Fedrigo ahead
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
there's only fedrigo ahead....20s...three stuck in between
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by bradBordeaux on Feb 21, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
sorry 27s
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by bradBordeaux on Feb 21, 2010 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
Umvolverine missed it too.. Or is just not so happy aboput the cross updates :)
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
actually, not watching any of the races currently, will do so later at my leisure
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
by umwolverine on Feb 21, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Ah Glad we didn't scare you!
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
nah.... not possible....
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
by umwolverine on Feb 21, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
1º Alberto Contador (Astana), 19h57m48s 2º Luis León Sánchez (Caisse D’Epargne), a 30s 3º Tiago Machado (RadioShack), a 32s 4º Levi Leipheimer (RadioShack), a 37s 5º Samuel Sánchez (Euskaltel-Euskadi), a 57s 6º Rui Costa (Caisse D’Epargne), a 1m11s 7º Frantisek Rabon (Team HTC-Columbia), a 1m16s 8º Andreas Klöden (RadioShack), a 1m25s 9º Tejay van Garderen (Team HTC-Columbia), a 1m33s 10º Peter Velits (Team HTC-Columbia), a 1m45s
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
I saw the other AA-er!
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
and a non-French wins.....
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by bradBordeaux on Feb 21, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
I like the addition to the signature BB.
by PopUp Rolen on Feb 21, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
cheers for that
I fear that cycling is going to go the way of the Premiership
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by bradBordeaux on Feb 21, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
sigh, unfortunately I think you're right
by PopUp Rolen on Feb 21, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
It's going to be sad and tragic
mark my words….
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by bradBordeaux on Feb 21, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
Chelsea, Man City, Sky....there's three Bah's for ya
BAH!!!!....Cavendish?! Double BAH!!! Sky!!
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by bradBordeaux on Feb 21, 2010 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks
I don’t know a lot about English football
Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill (F. Coppi)
QPR isn't in the Premier Leage I think..
Rich history they had..
Kasper Schmeichel is also to a 3division team no?
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
no i didn't....they're so sad they're not even bah-worthy
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by bradBordeaux on Feb 21, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
MArk my words... It's not going to be that way..
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
I sincerely hope you're right....
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by bradBordeaux on Feb 21, 2010 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
One big difference..
Footbal: 1,5 milliard(??) fans
Cycling: 150 million.. Tops?
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
Andalusia:
Final climb. Brutal. Many attacks from peloton.
just highlights during the andalucian news..... at 21.00 local
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
by umwolverine on Feb 21, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
Stybar and Klaas fall in sand
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
Also mentally.. He sprinted one lap too early :S
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
So Albert lose it ftom Klaas.. ?
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
qua bad luck?
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
Didn't notice BBox went to Colnagos
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Andalucia: 3 kms. Carrara (Vacansoleil and Voigt (Saxo Bank) head of the race.
It's fun to beat Cancellara--Edvald Boasson Hagen
How much secs for Fedrigo?
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
last check was 35ish...
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they just said plus que 30 seconds...
not more specific, but saying he was in the lead by like 3 seconds on the road.
Thanks both
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
22s
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Bruc and Brad gap.. 4secs
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
Taaraeme pulling!
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
good effort from Fedrigo
any bets on winner…passage at more than 15 percent on final climb
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Based on yesterday... I don't try to make any predictions..
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
1 De Waele 2 Voeckler 3 Pineau..
Because Jens prono is rubbish! ;)
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
Will voeckler have a pop at it?
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I hope he is!
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
Le Nez caught
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
Brainfart? Nocentini
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
AG2R you mean?
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Oops.. Brainfart..
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
ew, veikkenen, yeah he could have a pop at this
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by bradBordeaux on Feb 21, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
Le Mevel fourth or third yesterday..
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You've got to be in the first ten at the bottom of the climb or your toast
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Pardilla?? You live with the day
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
Sergio Pardilla (Carmiooro)
Nobody’s going to put those shorts on their team.
It's fun to beat Cancellara--Edvald Boasson Hagen
Small group...
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Rolland Didier and Coppel with no gap
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Ok CI will give Coppel 30m
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3k
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by bradBordeaux on Feb 21, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
If you're not with the best 15 here.. You are toast
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
put some butter on le mevel, he's nearly done
or IS he?
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by bradBordeaux on Feb 21, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
Nice gap..
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Moncoutie?
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
In the back that is
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de Waele!
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
put that butter away...
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Andalucia top 5
1. Sergio Pardilla (Carmiooro-NGC) 4:11:55
2. Jurgen Van den Broeck (Omega-Pharma-Lotto) a 7
3. Damiano Cunego (Lampre) a 13
4. Manuel Vázquez (Andalucía-CajaSur) m.t.
5. Bauke Mollema (Rabobank) m.t.
It's fun to beat Cancellara--Edvald Boasson Hagen
I bet VDB and Mollema too
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
Mollema is on everyone's team.
Coming Dutch Hegemony and all.
It's fun to beat Cancellara--Edvald Boasson Hagen
Yeah I really thought he'd die.
That was impressive.
Even more amasing.. Fedrigo was still there!
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
1. Le Mevel 2 Le Nez 3 de Waele..
Nananan I won Jens!
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
You rubbish cycling predictor!
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
Yeah
70 cm of snow, and I don’t even live in the north.
Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.
by TheFigurehead on Feb 21, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
Why are you two speaking with one another?
have you forgotten the game tonight?
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No, the stupid American team didn't pick Craig Anderson as back up goalie
thus they can lose, but almost losing to Switzerland? Oh my I’m sure Canada is going crazy
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I heard that too
but you know how Canadians are when it comes to hockey…
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What are you talking about?
Is there a yclingbattle somewhere?
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
What.. But America, Sweden and Norqay can not hockey..
Ha.. It will be laughable at least
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
Sweden can't play hockey?
well I guess winning gold in 2006 was a major fluke.
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Never again
you can mention the Finnish drubbing of Germany if you like(although I could bring up the medal count).
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If you get swedish TV you can now watch the replay
of the 30 km skiathlon.
You know you you want to :-)
That was some excellent racing by your guys,
great team work.
No need to watch it again. :-)
by Bruce Suomi on Feb 21, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
That was great
reminded me of cycling tactics, the NBC reporter even mentioned Paris-Roubaix during the telecast. Well played Sweden…well played.
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NBC reporter - Al Trautwig
Nice to see XC skiing learning from cycling. Great race.
Bicycling is the nearest approximation I know to the flight of birds. Louis J. Helle, Jr.
Indeed I want to
Three Canadians in the top 10…. before that race, our best result ever was something like 16th place (by Pierre Harvey who is as a matter of fact the father of Alex Harvey who finished 9th).
Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill (F. Coppi)
I fear the Swedish team
Even more than the Russian team
Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill (F. Coppi)
And on that, I have to go
Have a nice day everyone
Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill (F. Coppi)
What are you talking about.. 2006 Germany..
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
What on Earth are you speaking about?
and please don’t tell me you mean the world cup.
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You are atrange fellows
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wereldkampioenschap_hockey_mannen_2006
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
Real hockey=field hockey..
Only if ypou plau ice hockey you may say it’s the real thing.. But ok.. Last time I will make this point
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
Yeah I thought that was made clear
although Germany winning gold is always welcome…good boy Frinking.
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Oh well.. The woman won their WC
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
Totally a women's sport in the US.
Can get a little rough to call it “girly,” though.
It's fun to beat Cancellara--Edvald Boasson Hagen
well they stab one another, right?
…or hire people to, at least.
They have won the sulking worlds
every year since Putin took power.
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Never had a ball against your leg or arm..
Or a stick in your face? It’s pretty tough
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
Oops.. Was for Jens ;)
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
I could say something so dirty
with balls against the legs…..must resist dammit!
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In fact...
…field hockey is usually the thing you haul out to remind people that women’s sports can be and are violent at times.
yclingbattle
sounds like something the Vikings would have done.
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Didn't see the game... I was out and could only start to watch Crosby's final shot
But I heard it was amazing and Hiller almost stole it.
Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill (F. Coppi)
Every church in Fench looks like that
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
Probably
but they are often quite prominent in Besseges, Tour Med , Haut Vars and the other early races aren’t they?
Perhaps
They had a similar start last year, 15 podiums at this time. 5 wins, but 3 of them came in “La Tropicale Amissa Bongo Ondimba” (I’m not making that race up).
Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.
by TheFigurehead on Feb 21, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
What'd I miss?
[while watching another Roma win]
"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen
-5 to Inter now
"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen
ni hao tongzhi!
"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen
So
hockey tonight? That game the Dutch invented but can’t really play anymore?
"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen
Did we?
Hmm maybe we can get Sven Kramer to Ice-Hockey..
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
he would be deadly
down the wing.
"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen
hey
do you get crossover from speedskating to cycling? In the US everyone remembers Eric Heiden for this.
"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen
It is said he is a really good cyclist..
But if you can win 3 gold medals on an Olympic.. There is no need to change
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
yup
I think Frinking meant Kramer?
"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen
He was totally snarking..
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
While completing med school
"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen
Ah OK
Of course for Heiden that was back in amateur days, so he went to cycling to make money. No doubt things have changed in 30 years.
"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen
?
never heard of her
"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen
Seriously?
She was a heart throb in my early adolescence. Let’s see…
Innsbruck in 76 she won three speed skating medals (one of each) then later that year won the world sprint cycling championship. Then she retired, got married and came out of retirement in think in 8p and won a couple more sprint cycling championships. She;s in the US Cycling hall of fame and every speed skating hall of fame there is.
Sheila Young's 18-yr old daughter, Elli, is a member of the US speedskating team
this year. She raced the 500 meter race. Link to SI article here.
Isn't it more track cycling...
…also, the new thing there seems to be rowing and cycling.
Rowing???
"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen
You never seen the legs of rowers.. Impressive..
I think a Cobo could be a good rower
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
She's the one I was thinking of...
…plus a bunch of local guys I know who either row and use cycling to train, or who switched from rowing to cycling.
Who now they have abolished her event (pursuit) is
targetting the road time trial for 2012
She is some athlete
No that guy is worth millions in the Netherlands..
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
wow
So is that your only Winter Olympic sport? all in for speedskating? BTW, I am a big fan, though they haven’t showed much of it here. We almost went up to Richmond the other day, but tickets are $1000 (15 Euro)
"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen
And his cabnet fall 3 days after that :D
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
Oh no, bobsled is claimed by another country thank you very much
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Sadly it is..
We have one snowbarder, Nicolien Sauerbreij, spelling unknown, with medal chances..
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
Too bad we are not America.. They are winning in every categorie I know and not know..
It is creepy.. But as American fun to watch
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
How is it creepy?
you do know America has the terrain to be good in about every winter game discipline right?
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Well.. Not creepy..
Frustrating..
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
Well the US was overtaken by China in the summer games
and it will stay that way for an extremely long time.
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Well.. With a billion people in China.. The competition isn't really fair..
India has to go big.. In 30 years..
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
It's also the philosophy
in China they select their athletes at a very young age and put them in programs right away, they really don’t have much of a choice. Not that it’s right but it will keep them producing top athletes for decades to come. Of course they have a huge pool to select from.
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:) I like to think it's different in America..
But apart from the choice, and even that, no..
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
Well there are some parents who will force their kids into a sport
but it’s quite different. A federation can’t just pluck someone out and put them in their program.
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Ok.. The truth is in the middle..
But you can’t win an Olympic medal if you don’t really want that
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
I don't know about that...
…I’d say that especially for girls into figure skating or gymnastics, it’s a very fine line. I had a student years ago who’d been in the upper reaches of the US figure skating program and told me stories about the meetings that they had for parents only basically explaining how to psychologically manipulate your children to keep them going. Truly creepy stuff. She apparently snuck into one, and hearing what she heard was part of her decision to walk away from it.
btw, that wasn't a gender thing...
…but a reference to the age when you reach top level international competition in these sports.
Just listen to some of the former East German athletes
a lot of them had great results with very little “want” included.
exactly.
my point is, this goes on right here in the USA, and it’s quite self conscious on the part of the federations in question.
Oh sure
but those athletes are already in their federations at that time. Also I did mention parents and there are many who go to scary extremes to get their children to become the best for their own self-esteem.
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ni hao tongzhi!
"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen
My son was having fun during the opening ceremonies
figuring that if India had sent the same proportion of their population to the Winter Games as Liechtenstein, they would close to 200,000 athletes on their team.
It's fun to beat Cancellara--Edvald Boasson Hagen
It's unusual
The skiing success is a bit unusual, though I guess that’s been coming for a couple years.
It’s like the world cup, take it out of Europe and it opens the door for everyone else.
"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen
Skiing success
that’s what happens when you train and live in Vail(woohooo Lindsey!)
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Some
All skaters ride bikes in summer. Most don’t race for fear of injury. Most skaters that reach some level of success in cycling are (East-German or Canadian) women.
Clara Hughes went from cycling to speed skating
Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill (F. Coppi)
Hilarious
“While the game’s origins may lie elsewhere, Montreal is at the centre of the development of the modern sport of ice hockey.”
That was so written by a Canadian.
"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen
Canada claiming credit on other fronts.
Until the mid-1980s it was usually accepted that ice hockey was derived from English field hockey and Indian lacrosse and was spread throughout Canada by British soldiers in the mid-1800s. Research then turned up a mention of a hockey very similar to hockey, played in the early 1800s in Nova Scotia by the Micmac Indians,
It's fun to beat Cancellara--Edvald Boasson Hagen
Dutch Wiki is saying something of a Dutch painting where they play ice-hockey?!
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
And yet, with that rich history, you prefer to claim field hockey as "real." For shame!
It's fun to beat Cancellara--Edvald Boasson Hagen
After the painting.. It went downhill...
I can not name one Ice-hockeyer..
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
I'm trying to imagine a world
where someone could name a single field hockey player.
It's fun to beat Cancellara--Edvald Boasson Hagen
cue photo
of Dutch field hockey team…
"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen
Naomi van As
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
How is it
that Vogue hasn’t found these people?
"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen
Well.. Because in this topic..
I’m the only one who can name her? I think
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
When I was young
[snore]
I had a book written and published in Canada that identified the Dutch as the originators.
"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen
I wouldn't at all be surprised. Skating is a given on the frozen canals.
And whacking things with a stick is universal.
It's fun to beat Cancellara--Edvald Boasson Hagen
I can verify
American boys are born with this instinct. including whacking each other.
"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen
Well Phil...
…you wanna get really upset. Apparently they can justifiably claim credit for Football, and their rules are older than ours.
Or so the possibly biased wikipedia page claims.
That doesn't get me upset
they may claim it, current success is all I care about.
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Nice to come in from work & think from various results
that my incipient VDS team may not be entirely hopeless after all. :-)
cyclingfans has links to On Demand video of the final hour of haut var stages 1 and 2
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