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In Kuurne-Brussels-Kuurne, Traksel takes the three-up sprint in the breakaway that pummeled the race:

  1. Bobbie Traksel, Vacansoleil
  2. Rick Flens, Rabobank, s.t.
  3. Ian Stannard, Team Sky, s.t.
  4. Hayden Roulston, HTC-Columbia, at 1.00
  5. Dominique Rollin, Cervelo TT, at 2.58
  6. Thor Hushovd, Cervelo TT, s.t.
  7. Sebastien Turgot, Bbox Bouygues Telecom, at 5.38
  8. Davy Commeyne, Landbouwkrediet, at 5.41
  9. Greg Rast, The Shack, at 5.50
  10. Sebastian Langeveld, Rabobank, s.t.

Meanwhile, in Almeria, after what sounded like a lot of action, it came together for a surprising sprint:

  1. Theo Bos (Cervélo) 4:22:53
  2. Mark Cavendish (Columbia-HTC) m.t.
  3. Graeme Brown (Rabobank) m.t.
  4. Luis León Sánchez (Caisse d’Epargne) m.t.
  5. Davide Appollonio (Cervélo) m.t.

And over in Ticino, Switzerland, more results from the GP Lugano (about which I really know nothing):

  1. Roberto Ferrari (De Rosa - Stac)
  2. Jure Kocjan (Carmiooro)
  3. Giampaolo Cheula (Footon-Servetto)

And the screenshot that sums it all up? Ian Stannard after his KBK adventure:

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that Bos beat Cav! Woop whoop!

by cyclingdiva on Feb 28, 2010 11:17 AM EST reply actions  

+2

I’d love to see some video of that sprint.

Gerrie Kneteman: If a football player falls he shouts for his mother, if a cyclist falls he yells for his bike.

by Lopex on Feb 28, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Three people that believe Bos didn't throw Impey.

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Feb 28, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

We need a poll for that.

"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H

by Frinking on Feb 28, 2010 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

dear god

no.

It’s fun up to a point, but I would hate to think that Bos has to spend the rest of his life talking about one split second.

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 28, 2010 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

But it would be scientific evidence that there are more than 3!

Ok ok.. Not a good idea

"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H

by Frinking on Feb 28, 2010 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

well cav doesn’t try to hug other riders to the ground and into hospital

by whitbyfish on Feb 28, 2010 11:21 AM EST reply actions  

Do I hear someone moaning?

"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H

by Frinking on Feb 28, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I think it is a

camel in labour. But I might be wrong…

Gerrie Kneteman: If a football player falls he shouts for his mother, if a cyclist falls he yells for his bike.

by Lopex on Feb 28, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Still

Cav beats Bos easily with the sheer size of his bah-ness.

Gerrie Kneteman: If a football player falls he shouts for his mother, if a cyclist falls he yells for his bike.

by Lopex on Feb 28, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Bah!-off?

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 28, 2010 2:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Hope the sprints will be a little more exciting this season.

by cyclingdiva on Feb 28, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Stannard really looked bad at the finish,

let’s hope he doesn’t too sick after that.
Gutsy ride by all who finished KBK.

by Bruce Suomi on Feb 28, 2010 11:25 AM EST reply actions  

Great results for Dutch cycling!

KBK 1 &2, Almeria 1.

Gerrie Kneteman: If a football player falls he shouts for his mother, if a cyclist falls he yells for his bike.

by Lopex on Feb 28, 2010 11:28 AM EST reply actions  

Stannard

These are the types of rides that seem to make or break cyclists.

I can’t help but think that somewhere in the future (this season or next) he is going to be sitting on the top of the podium in a monument and look back at today as a pivotal day.

He can do it now.

"Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" - Fausto Coppi

by muk on Feb 28, 2010 11:29 AM EST reply actions  

Here's hoping. Seems like a good lad in most interviews I've ever come across

His kind of day really – this is he being quoted on the sky website

“I definitely see myself as a one-day classics rider,” says Stannard. "I love the classics – in bad weather especially. To win Paris-Roubaix in the rain would be special. Caked in mud – that’d be really cool.
“When I was a kid I loved the pictures in the magazines of those classics, when you can’t make out the riders’ kit, and when they take their glasses off it’s like they’ve been wearing goggles, and everyone’s crashed about ten times. That really appeals to me. To win in that weather you’d have to be a pretty hard man.”

Source

by andrewp on Feb 28, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I've said hello to him a couple of times.

The last time being at the ToB start in Darlington last year. He is a nice, friendly guy, & has a lot time for kids wanting stuff signed etc. However he said to me he thought it was pretty cold that day (it was about the second warmest day of the year!).

by civetta on Feb 28, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Nothing could beat the look on Di Luca’s face when first introduced to Darlington market square on cold September morning .

by whitbyfish on Mar 1, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Saw him at the other end of that one.

He & Petacchi were very popular with the older Geordie ladies, like some godawful two stereotypes for the price of one bargain basement. The LPR Brakes bus was the last to leave (apart from the Agritubel one, which had broken down).

That was the year DiLuca said he was going to do an hour or so at the end of every stage in the hope of getting picked for the Italian worlds squad. But I didn’t see him dodging the one way system in Newcastle later that night…

by civetta on Mar 1, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Great ride indeed

Perhaps he was a little too enthusiastic in the final few kilometers. He really helped Traksel by pulling back Flens a couple of times. He could have known Traksel would outsprint him so he might have tried to form a pact with Flens. OTOH, he probably was happy to make it to the finish anyway. Long hard day in the saddle. Blood of a true Flandrien.

Speaking of Flandriens, I can totally understand the top guns pulling out early but a true Flandrien would never do that.

Gerrie Kneteman: If a football player falls he shouts for his mother, if a cyclist falls he yells for his bike.

by Lopex on Feb 28, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm really happy for him

he went on a long lone breakaway at the tour of britain a couple of years ago, which won me, and a lot of other people, over. he was riding for the national squad then, and he did a season in italy with ISD, which can’t have been easy…it’s good he’s taking the opportunity at sky. there’s things i don’t like about that team, but as long as there’s room for guys like stannard, then that’s something to like about them.

"well...you live in england so: you love the rain. loves the queen. hates cycling. based on mr bean had a tremendous amount of humour. all ride in a mini cooper. all getting drunk before the age of 12. getting drunk at least 3 times a day."- frinking, 7/9/09

by Ben Shave on Feb 28, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Today's VDS:

KBK
1 Bobbie Traksel: 150
2 Rick Flens: 125
3 Ian Stannard: 100
4 Hayden Roulston: 80
5 Dominique Rollin: 60
6 Thor Hushovd: 50
7 Sebastien Turgot: 40
8 Davy Commeyne: 30
9 Gregory Rast: 20
10 Sebastian Langeveld: 10

Almeria
1. Theo Bos 100
2. Mark Cavendish 70
3. Graeme Brown 50
4. Lulu Sanchez 30
5. Davide Appollonio 15

Lugano
1. Roberto Ferrari 100
2. Jure Kocjan 70
3. Giampaolo Cheula 50
4. Maxime Bouet 30
5. Leonardo Bartagnolli 15

It's fun to beat Cancellara--Edvald Boasson Hagen

by majope on Feb 28, 2010 11:54 AM EST reply actions  

That's giving a total of...

0 points! Well done Frinking.. You are going to learn it..

"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H

by Frinking on Feb 28, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

That's the beauty of Lulu

"The road is our agony, but also our daily bread; and at night, when it is deserted and the moon glistens on the asphalt, the ridiculous dreams of racers like us pass up and down it."

--Dino Buzzati

by nrs5000 on Mar 2, 2010 12:16 AM EST up reply actions  

"Theo Bos Hogs (The Headlines)" is a good name

There are a bunch of great team names this time around. Go check them out. We need to have a popularity contest methinks

by Jimbo... on Feb 28, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed

I just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in.

by bethie on Feb 28, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Hayden baby alright

Hayden Roulsten who I picked cause my grand nephew is named Rayden gets me 40 points per point cost. Should have used similar reasoning on my others. (Although Dumoulin has been good too).

by Markk on Feb 28, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Not added to the system for these just yet, it seems

I’m feeling all warm and fuzzy for picking Bos now.

by Drongo on Feb 28, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

me too

impey hoopla be damned, he was too good on the track to be denied, and the man rode 140kmh behind a car, that’s awesome (even if many in the pro peloton could manage it)

by Nomer on Feb 28, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

40!

 better than Sat.
the season can only go up…i hope!

by rbjhan on Feb 28, 2010 6:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Maxime Bouet 30 pts

Almost already worth his cost of 1 pt :) What’s the average, abotu 50 VDS point per 1 cost?

by FrenchKheldar on Mar 1, 2010 1:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow, that's not the podium at KBK I was envisaging!!

Well done to them…and Stannard in 3rd? Wow, super ride! I’m now in a Starbucks after Bach rehearsal number 1. I’d really quite like to go home now.

by Albertina on Feb 28, 2010 12:11 PM EST reply actions  

240, but who's counting?

It's fun to beat Cancellara--Edvald Boasson Hagen

by majope on Feb 28, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

you?

"well...you live in england so: you love the rain. loves the queen. hates cycling. based on mr bean had a tremendous amount of humour. all ride in a mini cooper. all getting drunk before the age of 12. getting drunk at least 3 times a day."- frinking, 7/9/09

by Ben Shave on Feb 28, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I got 90 points today too

I just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in.

by bethie on Feb 28, 2010 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Almeria

The peloton broke on the last climb of the Alto de Lucainena. 35 riders were off including 6 Rabo riders. Cavendish managed to reconnect quickly but riders like Bos were caught in the second group. Naturally Rabobank drove the first group to set up Brown but behind them three teams joined the chase. 20km before the finish the group came together again.

According to Adri van Houwelingen at www.rabosport.nl/wielrennen.

Gerrie Kneteman: If a football player falls he shouts for his mother, if a cyclist falls he yells for his bike.

by Lopex on Feb 28, 2010 12:54 PM EST reply actions  

Neck and neck

So far my actual team has 145 points, my shadow team (guys I fired in order to hire the actual team) has 160. Could be worse.

Cycling will always be a beautiful sport no matter how many people disgrace it.--Christian Vande Velde

by tgartner on Feb 28, 2010 2:01 PM EST reply actions  

why torment yourself like that

keeping track of a shadow team?

"The road is our agony, but also our daily bread; and at night, when it is deserted and the moon glistens on the asphalt, the ridiculous dreams of racers like us pass up and down it."

--Dino Buzzati

by nrs5000 on Mar 2, 2010 12:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Whoo Hoo 170 today!

Here I was thinking that the cobbles/ pre Ardennes might not be too kind to me. Really happy about the last minute non fire of Bos. I think he was on and off my team 100 times. Since I was only hoping for about 200 points out of my 2 pointers he’s almost done and dusted for the year. Just need him to scape together a few placings and hes gravy.

Also happy for Dom Rollin. Go Canada!!!

Tyler Farrar is the one Firee from my team that scares me. Oh well If he has a fantastic year I will be happy for him but my VDS team will torn apart in the Virtual press for horrendous decision making.

by bought with blood on Feb 28, 2010 2:18 PM EST reply actions  

too easily satisfied

don’t be satisfied when you reach a quota. Wasn’t Haussler a 2 pointer last year? I dream of that sort of productivity from Bos (the keyword being dream).

by Nomer on Feb 28, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

If you're right...

…1. I’m gonna be pissed for passing on him.
2. Cervelo’s going to develop a Columbia-type sprinter problem. There are worse problems.

by Ed K on Feb 28, 2010 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Bos

Very important win for him today. In an interview he said that he really liked the atmosphere at Cervelo. He already had a chat with the regular lead-out guys about setting him up for a sprint somewhere. By paying of the hard work on the first chance and beating Cavendish in the process he certainly makes sure it won’t stop at just one try. He could go far this season!

I’m strengthened in this impression by the fact that Bos has read and reread the book “Te midden der kampioenen” van Joris van den Bergh. Written almost 70 years ago, it relates the life of the 5 times world champion in track sprint (1921-22-23-24-26 the most important cycling discipline of that time) Piet Moeskops. Moeskops was a born athlete but also a very clever tactician. All his ponderings and insights about tactics are described in this book. Great read sofar. Only in Dutch I’m afraid.
I might be full of KoolAid but I really think Bos is one of the few champions of this time. His successful transition from track sprinter to road racer proves his talent and determination.

Gerrie Kneteman: If a football player falls he shouts for his mother, if a cyclist falls he yells for his bike.

by Lopex on Feb 28, 2010 2:44 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks for this

Keep it coming. Too much cool stuff is only in Dutch.

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 28, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

indeed

that and sporza streams make me want to learn. Today I saw the word bommetje in the ticker and in context it obviously meant attack and also I recognized the diminutive, but apparently it was literally “little bomb” for acceleration/attack, that just sounds awesome. Reminds me of the ex-blazers/hoyas 7 footer so nice they named him twice… ruben boumtje-boumjte. That’s just fun to say. Pity he wasn’t good enough to be the new Mutombo or Olajuwon, that would be a fun name to hear announcers say after a block or dunk.

by Nomer on Feb 28, 2010 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Small mistake

The book is from 1929. A real classic.
Funny to see that Moeskops went to America quite often to ride. Earning the big bucks. He was one of the only European sprinters who could manage himself there. Big crowds then. Makes you wonder where all that cycling enthusiasme went on your side of the ocean.

Gerrie Kneteman: If a football player falls he shouts for his mother, if a cyclist falls he yells for his bike.

by Lopex on Mar 1, 2010 2:26 AM EST up reply actions  

yes, that and the fact that

the U.S. was hell bent on creating its own identity, and sports were no exception. Borrowing from the european community was considered un-original. As a result, rugby became american football, cricket evolved into baseball, world football was re-named soccer, and eventually, cyclecross was reinvented in a slower, heavier version, called mountain-biking".

"He looked pretty good until he went over the side of that cliff." PdC's own thevaro, on why he's betting on Oscar Periero's "BIG COMEBACK" in 2010

by Koppenberg34 on Mar 1, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

round-eh-huh?

"He looked pretty good until he went over the side of that cliff." PdC's own thevaro, on why he's betting on Oscar Periero's "BIG COMEBACK" in 2010

by Koppenberg34 on Mar 1, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll have a look :)

"He looked pretty good until he went over the side of that cliff." PdC's own thevaro, on why he's betting on Oscar Periero's "BIG COMEBACK" in 2010

by Koppenberg34 on Mar 1, 2010 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow. Fascinating, seriously!

It’s incredible that this isn’t common knowledge here in the U.S. I find it somewhat amusing that though that the one of the few rule changes from “rounders” to “American baseball” concerns the fact that evidently the organizers of the sport here opted to make “running with the bat” a rule violation. I can just imagine Pete Rose barreling into home with a Louisville Slugger in tow.

"He looked pretty good until he went over the side of that cliff." PdC's own thevaro, on why he's betting on Oscar Periero's "BIG COMEBACK" in 2010

by Koppenberg34 on Mar 1, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Not such a big problem here

as no-one plays apst the age of about eleven. And given the way some eleven year olds behave, I suspect that the top age is dropping all the time.

by Monty. on Mar 2, 2010 5:04 AM EST up reply actions  

But you guys invented Madison

And six-days in general. So that does not support your theory.

Gerrie Kneteman: If a football player falls he shouts for his mother, if a cyclist falls he yells for his bike.

by Lopex on Mar 2, 2010 4:45 AM EST up reply actions  

to be clear

who are you refering to?
Whose theory I mean…

"He looked pretty good until he went over the side of that cliff." PdC's own thevaro, on why he's betting on Oscar Periero's "BIG COMEBACK" in 2010

by Koppenberg34 on Mar 2, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Yours

New land, new sports.

Gerrie Kneteman: If a football player falls he shouts for his mother, if a cyclist falls he yells for his bike.

by Lopex on Mar 3, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Ok, just making sure we're on the same page here

This is the interesting part, its interesting that around the turn of the century, six day racing in the U.S. was big business, with world champion Major Taylor being a national hero. There is little evidence around to commemorate him now however. The Major Taylor Velodrome in Indianapolis is a hub of track racing nationally here, along with only a couple of other first rate facilities (Trexlertown in Pennsylvania, The Home Depot Center here in Carson, CA, and perhaps the 7-11 velodrome in Co. Springs or the one in Milwaukee, Wi). The Home Depot Center Velodrome in Carson hosted the World Championiships a few years back (it was an awesome event), showcasing perhaps one of the best velodromes on the planet, as it was brand new and modeled after the Manchester facility in England. I was impressed that there is a large exhibit dedicated to Major Taylor and the history of Six Day racing in the U.S., particularly Madison Square Garden. The onset of team “ball sports” seemed to really bury the sport however, and in particular, the two world wars. The United States made a serious effort to distance itself from the rest of the world by inventing its own unique traditions (at least as it was pitched to the public), and cycling had too much history in europe already, which was a source of a lot of pain to most americans as a result of loved ones lost there fighting. There is a saying here that “there’s nothing more American than baseball, hot dogs, and apple pie”. Obviously, none were really invented here. Outside of Blues and Jazz music, most of our national pastimes share strong associations with concepts developed overseas.

"He looked pretty good until he went over the side of that cliff." PdC's own thevaro, on why he's betting on Oscar Periero's "BIG COMEBACK" in 2010

by Koppenberg34 on Mar 3, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Is he going to change the way everybody sprints..

He’s sprinting in the saddle.. Effective and with less wind friction/ more aerodynamic.. I love to see a sprint of him on camera

"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H

by Frinking on Feb 28, 2010 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

um, Frink...

cameras don’t have pedals.

"My facking goat didn’t wear Robes! Does he look Scottisch?!" Baron von Frinkenstein

by swells on Mar 1, 2010 7:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Missing result:

did Chris’ mayonnaise kill anyone?

~

I still can’t get over what Bos did to van Impey. Yes, I’ve heard the explanations, seen the videos. Completely unsatisfied.

by Sui Juris on Feb 28, 2010 3:02 PM EST reply actions  

meh

I never bought the idea that it was intentional or malicious in the first place. Further, I tend to trust the estimate of people who know the guy that intent or maliciousness was not in character. That said, it was clearly a major and punishable fuckup. Do I have doubts about Bos as a result? Definitely. Can he redeem himself? Yep, but it’ll probably take a bit longer.

by Ed K on Feb 28, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

when Bettini did the same thing to Baden Cooke and proclaimed

I didn’t do ANYTHING wrong at the end of a Giro stage! Everybody forgave and forgot, why not the same for a less beloved road cyclist like Bos? Hell, the world seemed to forgive much worse offenses (Richard Virenque) in sport and character.

"He looked pretty good until he went over the side of that cliff." PdC's own thevaro, on why he's betting on Oscar Periero's "BIG COMEBACK" in 2010

by Koppenberg34 on Mar 1, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

It was definitely not the same thing

If not only for the reason that Baden could walk across finish line

Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.

by TheFigurehead on Mar 1, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

You certainly have a point that it would be easy to make a case for, but...

I still believe that the act of driving a rider into a barrier as a direct result of not holding one’s line itself is no more “in violation of the rulebook” just because one rider ended up more hurt than another. Neither Bos or Bettini could possibly have affected the degree of injury sustained once the rider fell, and I believe that up until that moment (when the actual injuries were sustained), the conduct of both Bos and Bettini was basically equal (equally wrong I mean). People make bonehead moves that cause massive crashes in every race, ultimately others get hurt as a result, yet rarely are they held accountable for all of the injuries that others sustain. It’s part of racing. Sanctions happen, sometimes moving a rider’s finishing position to that of the last rider across the line (reference M. Cavendish). Other times, if its deemed more deliberate, riders get banned for a period of time, but it’s pretty rare you’ve got to admit. I just think Theo Bos has been villainized as a result of the fact that there is an inherent prejudice against “outsiders” (i.e. trackies) in field sprints. I don’t feel that another rider, lets for argument sake, say george hincapie, would have been so ostracized by both fans and officials for something so common as erratic sprinting.

"He looked pretty good until he went over the side of that cliff." PdC's own thevaro, on why he's betting on Oscar Periero's "BIG COMEBACK" in 2010

by Koppenberg34 on Mar 1, 2010 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Bos was just unlucky it got caught on camera

Very bad thing nowadays with youtube and big mouthed riders twittering about it.

Gerrie Kneteman: If a football player falls he shouts for his mother, if a cyclist falls he yells for his bike.

by Lopex on Mar 2, 2010 4:49 AM EST up reply actions  

valid points.

"He looked pretty good until he went over the side of that cliff." PdC's own thevaro, on why he's betting on Oscar Periero's "BIG COMEBACK" in 2010

by Koppenberg34 on Mar 2, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

You've got some selective memory going on there.

Bettini was indeed heavily criticized and continues to be pilloried for closing the door on Cooke. Do some searching on PdC and you’ll see that he is frequently referred to as “The Evil Cricket”. He earned that name for the exact sprint you say he everyone forgave for.

Vlaanderens Mooiste

by Koppenberg on Mar 1, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

my point

is that he was permitted to get on with his life, but the public seems so reluctant to let it just go with Bos. I mean, at what point is it ok as fans to just accept the fact that he’s human, made a mistake, and paid dearly for it? Perhaps it just takes a string of successful results, like Bettini always managed to produce. I don’t need to look into the “Darth Cricket” archive here at PdC though, I’ll take your word for it – afterall, you and I may be family you know!? I’m gonna log onto geneology.com when I get through here, to see just how far back we go ;-)

"He looked pretty good until he went over the side of that cliff." PdC's own thevaro, on why he's betting on Oscar Periero's "BIG COMEBACK" in 2010

by Koppenberg34 on Mar 1, 2010 8:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought you were replying to yourself then... the name thing is confusing.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Mar 1, 2010 8:50 PM EST up reply actions  

YEAH! That's why I was thinking we're related!!

"He looked pretty good until he went over the side of that cliff." PdC's own thevaro, on why he's betting on Oscar Periero's "BIG COMEBACK" in 2010

by Koppenberg34 on Mar 1, 2010 9:02 PM EST up reply actions  

And here was me thinking schizophrenia..

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Mar 1, 2010 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

hey now, that's between me and my therapist.

"He looked pretty good until he went over the side of that cliff." PdC's own thevaro, on why he's betting on Oscar Periero's "BIG COMEBACK" in 2010

by Koppenberg34 on Mar 1, 2010 9:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Glad you're getting help ;)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Mar 1, 2010 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm told that help is always just a phone call away, that's why I've got speed dial..

"He looked pretty good until he went over the side of that cliff." PdC's own thevaro, on why he's betting on Oscar Periero's "BIG COMEBACK" in 2010

by Koppenberg34 on Mar 1, 2010 9:12 PM EST up reply actions  

In all seriousness... I realise that until now I've simply glanced at your signature

and thought I knew who was speaking. Interestingly though, I’ve been thinking for a while that no guy could be doing all these things at once.
Now I realise there are two of you. I should have picked up the stylistic differences too…

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Mar 1, 2010 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

From what I've noticed

Koppenberg is for the most part, “on the level” so to speak, and has my respect, though clearly not randomly scrappy enough to register as a true Vino-phyte….but that’s ok.

"He looked pretty good until he went over the side of that cliff." PdC's own thevaro, on why he's betting on Oscar Periero's "BIG COMEBACK" in 2010

by Koppenberg34 on Mar 1, 2010 9:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep... you're the scrappy one who doesn't mind our Vino 'love'..

But hey, you’re both interesting to read. I’m a little relieved that there are two of you though. I was feeling inadequate at all the things you are able to fit into a working day.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Mar 1, 2010 9:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks, but you shouldn't sell yourself short...

in fairness, outside of the site’s administrators, I can’t name anyone that offers so much and asks so little than our own Hippocampus from down under.

"He looked pretty good until he went over the side of that cliff." PdC's own thevaro, on why he's betting on Oscar Periero's "BIG COMEBACK" in 2010

by Koppenberg34 on Mar 1, 2010 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Right... I've just added you to my Christmas card list...

unless you were being ironic and i missed it

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Mar 1, 2010 9:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Trust me, you are not out on a limb so to speak, my sincerity was (and is)

genuine. Nothing to be implied there, my comment was void of sarcasm (I know, it’s rare) and to be taken exactly as it read. You deserve it.

"He looked pretty good until he went over the side of that cliff." PdC's own thevaro, on why he's betting on Oscar Periero's "BIG COMEBACK" in 2010

by Koppenberg34 on Mar 1, 2010 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks. I love this site because I learn so much

but more importantly for me, the people are fascinating. And your Washington post remains a highlight for me ;)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Mar 1, 2010 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

aww....sniff, sniff :)

"He looked pretty good until he went over the side of that cliff." PdC's own thevaro, on why he's betting on Oscar Periero's "BIG COMEBACK" in 2010

by Koppenberg34 on Mar 1, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions  

OK. I'm going to work on the soppy thing...

But I was genuinely fascinated by that post and the responses it drew. And I was highly entertained by your ‘balls to the wall’ style, which under the circumstances might be the wrong metaphor. Anyway, I’m a big fan of hearts on sleeves.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Mar 1, 2010 10:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Whether you realise it or not,

you couldn’t have given me a bigger compliment. Thanks man.

"He looked pretty good until he went over the side of that cliff." PdC's own thevaro, on why he's betting on Oscar Periero's "BIG COMEBACK" in 2010

by Koppenberg34 on Mar 2, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

'Hearts on sleeves'

gets me every time… my pleasure :)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Mar 2, 2010 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Cavshite

Cav is a ’gobshite’* ,I have no problem with seeing him overhauled in the sprints by way of a lesson in humility. However,I’m struggling to accept Bos as the role model I would prefer to root for.
If anyone wants a good dose of Cav humiliation juice,Thor’s tdf green jersey ass wuppin must take the all-time prize.

  • gobshite – person who speaks profuse and loud nonsense (aka a whitbyfish)

by whitbyfish on Feb 28, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

someone

needs to take the Bah! poll

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 28, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Scrappy types....

Sure, he’s probably not every mother’s first choice of a role model for her kids, but I think that’s part of why I like him.

"He looked pretty good until he went over the side of that cliff." PdC's own thevaro, on why he's betting on Oscar Periero's "BIG COMEBACK" in 2010

by Koppenberg34 on Mar 1, 2010 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

no mayo yet

bah, parenting.

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 28, 2010 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Meanwhile at the Classica Sarda

Visconti (ISD) wins the sprint over Sabatini (Liquigas) and Lequatre (Radio Shack). Others in the 15-man sprint included Scarponi, Brajkovic, Gavazzi, Pozzovivo, Hermans, Petrov, and finally Michael Rasumssen.

Looking at the perfect seaside photos, this semi-climby classic was definitely the place to be today. I’m amazed that Chris didn’t already include this most Italian of 1.1 races in VDS.

by Mr 60 Percent on Feb 28, 2010 4:48 PM EST reply actions  

Is that a new race?

Never heard of it before. The pro peloton must have been stretched pretty thin this weekend. Not often you get four 1.1 races on the same day.

by afx237vi on Feb 28, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know

But they just brought back the Giro di Sardegna last year, and all the same people who were in that race were in this race. So it gets a big bump from that.

Not a great field but not bad. The Italians all took it seriously. Liquigas sent Kreuziger and Nibali, Lampre sent Petacchi. Plus Radio Shack, BBox, Katusha and Footon sent competitive teams.

by Mr 60 Percent on Feb 28, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Would you rather be in Belgium?

It was windy out there, and the course turned in and out of that wind. And here’s an old friend leading out the break in the penultimate km

He looked in pretty good shape actually. One of this year’s hidden gems?

by Monty. on Feb 28, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Almeria video

both pretty useless compared to helicopter shots, but still:
http://www.clasicadealmeria.com/Clasificacion.html (also finish photo)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Rgsz2uGRAY (hot presenter for 0.5 sec at the start)

by tedvdw on Feb 28, 2010 6:12 PM EST reply actions  

wow, all of 2 seconds of the sprint

thanks for the video, just wish they showed more of it or helicopter shots like you said.

by Nomer on Feb 28, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I just caught the VRT news

half the coverage of Kuume was dudes wrapped up in those emergency foil blankets on a bus or trying to jam bikes into the back of team cars with frozen hands.

Dude, I can see my house from here

by shades on Feb 28, 2010 7:58 PM EST reply actions  

The brutal conditions ...

… lead to a three-up coast, not sprint, to the finish line. Indeed, at first, I thought I was just seeing the slo-mo replay of the finish I had missed somehow. But, no! The real-time finish video showed the winner was just coasting a bit less slowly over the line than the other two guys. First time I’d ever seen anything like that—those poor guys were just too exhausted and brutalized sprint or even pedal hardish to the line. Lord have mercy!

by DeathBredon on Mar 1, 2010 1:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Finish was a bit uphill, I think?

by William H on Mar 1, 2010 4:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Uphill, upwind, and all 3 must have been pretty much unconcious by then

It also looked to me that everyone knew that Traksel was the fastest so once he showed he still was capable of kicking, it wasnt worth the fight.

by addict on Mar 1, 2010 5:35 AM EST up reply actions  

only 26 riders finished kbk, the last one matt hayman 14 mins after traksel; 169 riders abandoned

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Mar 1, 2010 3:56 AM EST reply actions  

worse than 2003, when reire was the 26th and last rider tofinish, at 8.32 after the winner, sentjens

per cn’s article, http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/peloton-reacts-to-brutal-battering-at-kuurne-brussel-kuurne

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Mar 1, 2010 4:00 AM EST up reply actions  

All the finishers should get kudos simply for being tough hombres

That was the nastiest race I have ever watched (ok, my experience of watching spring racing in Belgium is not that great…). But you know it is foul when you see guys in 4th place climb off and think “wise decision”

by addict on Mar 1, 2010 4:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I think those 26 guy lost some kind of bet.
Not sure on what, but can’t imagine it helped any of their training to be out in that shit.

by Ryan_Liles on Mar 1, 2010 4:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I guess

for Flens, Stannard and Taksel this is the biggest race they will get a chance to win this year, so worth fighting on.

As for Roulsten – to keep ploughing on solo when off the podium: ye gods, man you are tough. No idea what you were doing that for.

I agree with Ryan – I am amazed that anyone beyond the first three thought it worth finishing the race; it was clear from 35 clicks out (when Thor climbed off) that the front three were the podium, and everyone else was just in a prolonged suffer fest for no good reason.

But highly impressive to have the stones to finish

by addict on Mar 1, 2010 5:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Thor didn't climb off--he came in 6th, with Rollin.

It's fun to beat Cancellara--Edvald Boasson Hagen

by majope on Mar 1, 2010 7:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Good point

Just sort of assumed that he did after he went pop (I blame senility – mine, not his). Which gives him even more hardman props.
Honestly, anyone who even got on a bike yesterday deserves a ton of respect. Can you imagine looking out the window in the morning and thinking “I have to race 170 clicks in this shit?”.

by addict on Mar 1, 2010 7:09 AM EST up reply actions  

No. Just brutal. Total respect for those guys.

It's fun to beat Cancellara--Edvald Boasson Hagen

by majope on Mar 1, 2010 7:37 AM EST up reply actions  

First advert I saw today on PdC was for the army.

 Frankly, given what I watched yesterday, it looks like an easy life

by addict on Mar 1, 2010 9:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Hmm. Please update if/when you see a fix.

(if it gets fixed, that is)

It's fun to beat Cancellara--Edvald Boasson Hagen

by majope on Mar 1, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

CQ has all ready changed them...

Top 5 is…
Ferrari
Kocjan
Giampaolo Cheula-Footon
Maxime Bouet-AG2R
Ermano Capelli-Footon

And I am mad since Gianluca Brambilla, who only I have out of all the teams, finished 6th and right out of the points

by Vlaanderen90 on Mar 1, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Crap...Langkawi is going to be a pretty bad VDS race for most everybody since no riders scored today and

only 3 vds teams are there so most of the points anybody will get will come from the overall

by Vlaanderen90 on Mar 1, 2010 10:41 AM EST reply actions  

Me neither.

Or at a couple of other races this week, according to posted startlists: Friuli and Driedaages van West-Vlaanderen. 8 in Paris-Nice, though, and still waiting for proper startlists for Murcia, Eroica, and Le Samyn.

It's fun to beat Cancellara--Edvald Boasson Hagen

by majope on Mar 1, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I have two riders in Langkawi.

Valls and the 3rd best climber in the world. Hopefully they are both there to race and not for a vacation. Genting will probably decide the GC, as always.

Kinda weird that they moved it to March though. They got more pro teams when there are fewer races to compete with. Common sense, no? It says a lot when even Diquigiovanni* can’t find the resources to turn up. Savio will usually take his teams wherever there is sunshine.

*Or whatever they’re called this year.

by afx237vi on Mar 1, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I considered taking both those 1-pointers

They might score some points when they hit the climby stages.

Gerrie Kneteman: If a football player falls he shouts for his mother, if a cyclist falls he yells for his bike.

by Lopex on Mar 1, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Well...

Rujano was more of a sentimental pick. The 2005 Giro is my favourite race ever, and he was a revelation in that. Then he got into some good form at the end of last year and signed for ISD, so I thought why not.

Valls, though, I have big hopes for him. He was great at San Luis and then followed it up with two good performances in the Mallorca Challenge. For 1 point I think he will be an absolute bargain.

by afx237vi on Mar 1, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

The third best climber in the world is aiming for the top step of the podium.

"Today I was honked at...I caught up and made a great honking noise back...he caught up and said I'm gonna punch you in the face...I laughed."

~DZ

by Hons on Mar 1, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Is there a fast way to know what riders I have there?

Other than looking at the start list?

Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill (F. Coppi)

by MathieuG on Mar 1, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that is the fast way.

It's fun to beat Cancellara--Edvald Boasson Hagen

by majope on Mar 1, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Any volunteers for typing the latest cyclingstartlist.com information

into a database and upload it to podiumcafevds.com? Every half hour will do…

Gerrie Kneteman: If a football player falls he shouts for his mother, if a cyclist falls he yells for his bike.

by Lopex on Mar 1, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Sigh

I picked Portuguese nat’l champ Cardoso of Footon to get me early season points, since he was tartgeting the TDU and Langkawi. He crashed out at Algarve and appears to have injured himself. Sigh.

Vlaanderens Mooiste

by Koppenberg on Mar 1, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Looking deeper

there are 50 other VDS teams that had picked him. His crash appears to have taken the air out of Langkawi as a VDS event.

Vlaanderens Mooiste

by Koppenberg on Mar 1, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

van Hummel

Also complete KBK yesterday. Suffering should be the guys middle name from now on. Kenny Suffering van Hummel, I salute you!

Gerrie Kneteman: If a football player falls he shouts for his mother, if a cyclist falls he yells for his bike.

by Lopex on Mar 1, 2010 2:08 PM EST reply actions  

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