VDS: Who scored what in last year's Cat 6 races
Okay, so we've got 49 new races to play with this year, amounting to 14 thousand points and some change. What effect is this going to have? How might those points get distributed? Will they mostly go to guys we've never heard of, or be a mild padding to the palmares of the stars?
There's wondering blindly, and then there's the glory of spreadsheets. Assuming all the sort functions worked as they should have (you want me to check my work? what?), in last year's editions of what are now VDS Category 6 races, 14,230 points were distributed among 210 riders. More or less--one stage was a team time trial, in which I threw up my hands and gave 5 points to each of the members of the winning team. Plus there are three races on our 2010 calendar that weren't run in 2009 (Quebec, Montreal, and Lazio), which will add an additional 795 points this year.
So, who scored what? Full results below the fold.
How these numbers might be useful: probably less so for the big guys than for the riders costing 6 or under. I mean, chances are if you're taking Cav, it won't be for his results in Missouri or the Sparkassen Giro Bochum. But it really might help decide among the cheapies to notice that, say, Graeme Brown picked up another 240 points in Cat 6 races. That would put him among the upper echelons of his price point, instead of the lower.
So, take a look--maybe you'll find a bargain or two...
FARRAR Tyler Total 275
GREIPEL André Total 275
BROWN Graeme Total 240
PETACCHI Alessandro Total 225
FEILLU Romain Total 205
BOASSON HAGEN Edvald Total 200
NIBALI Vincenzo Total 200
PAOLINI Luca Total 200
LARSSON Gustav Erik Total 195
CASPER Jimmy Total 175
HENDERSON Gregory Total 170
ROSSI Enrico Total 170
VOECKLER Thomas Total 165
CAVENDISH Mark Total 150
CUNEGO Damiano Total 150
Haedo Juan Jose Total 150
BERTAGNOLLI Leonardo Total 140
DAVIS Allan Total 140
TONDO VOLPINI Xavier Total 140
CHAMPION Dimitri Total 130
GINANNI Francesco Total 130
HAMMOND Roger Total 130
ARROYO DURAN David Total 125
FUGLSANG Jakob Total 125
HOOGERLAND Johnny Total 125
SCHLECK Fränk Total 125
SERPA PEREZ Jose Rodolfo Total 125
WESTRA Lieuwe Total 125
WEYLANDT Wouter Total 125
ZABRISKIE David Total 125
BELLETTI Manuel Total 120
GESLIN Anthony Total 120
GAVAZZI Francesco Total 115
GIUNTI Massimo Total 115
VELITS Peter Total 115
HAUSSLER Heinrich Total 105
Napolitano Danilo Total 105
ANTON HERNANDEZ Igor Total 100
BASSO Ivan Total 100
BOOM Lars Total 100
BRUTT Pavel Total 100
FISCHER Murilo Antonio Total 100
Gavazzi Mattia Total 100
GERDEMANN Linus Total 100
GILBERT Philippe Total 100
GOSS Matthew Total 100
LE LAY David Total 100
LORENZETTO Mirco Total 100
NUYENS Nick Total 100
OMLOOP Geert Total 100
PAURIOL Rémi Total 100
PERGET Mathieu Total 100
POZZATO Filippo Total 100
SANTAMBROGIO Mauro Total 100
SARAMOTINS Aleksejs Total 100
SICARD Romain Total 100
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro Total 100
VAN HUMMEL Kenny Total 100
VAUGRENARD Benoît Total 100
BIONDO Maurizio Total 95
BOONEN Tom Total 95
BRESCHEL Matti Total 95
EVANS Cadel Total 95
KLÖDEN Andreas Total 95
SENTJENS Roy Total 95
SUTTON Christopher Total 95
SWIFT Ben Total 95
BOZIC Borut Total 90
WAGNER Robert Total 90
GARZELLI Stefano Total 80
MARCATO Marco Total 80
DANIELSON Tom Total 75
DUMOULIN Samuel Total 75
NIEMIEC Przemyslaw Total 75
BAUMANN Eric Total 70
BOLE Grega Total 70
BRAJKOVIC Janez Total 70
CIOLEK Gerald Total 70
CRAWFORD David Jai Total 70
CUSIN Rémy Total 70
FEDRIGO Pierrick Total 70
HERMANS Ben Total 70
HONDO Danilo Total 70
ISTA Kevyn Total 70
LADAGNOUS Matthieu Total 70
LANCASTER Brett Total 70
MASCIARELLI Francesco Total 70
MAZZANTI Luca Total 70
MOERENHOUT Koos Total 70
MOL Wouter Total 70
MONFORT Maxime Total 70
MORENO FERNANDEZ Daniel Total 70
REBELLIN Davide Total 70
RIBEIRO Nuno Jorge Gaspar Total 70
CHAVANEL Sébastien Total 65
COLLI Daniele Total 65
HUSHOVD Thor Total 65
JALABERT Nicolas Total 65
MARZANO Marco Total 65
KHALILOV Mikhaylo Total 60
De Waele Bert Total 55
MOSQUERA MIGUEZ Ezequiel Total 55
REUS Kai Total 55
BOTCHAROV Alexandre Total 50
CORNU Dominique Total 50
EFIMKIN Alexander Total 50
FLORENCIO CABRE Xavier Total 50
GASPAROTTO Enrico Total 50
GERRANS Simon Total 50
GODDAERT Kristof Total 50
HUPOND Thierry Total 50
LEUKEMANS Björn Total 50
LOPEZ GARCIA David Total 50
MARZOLI Ruggero Total 50
MONTAÑA CADENA Freddy Emir Total 50
MOURIS Jens Total 50
O'BEE Kirk Total 50
PINOTTI Marco Total 50
REIMER Martin Total 50
RODRIGUEZ ORTIZ Jackson Jesus Total 50
ROELANDTS Jürgen Total 50
ROVNY Ivan Total 50
STAUFF Andreas Total 50
USOV Alexandre Total 50
VIERHOUTEN Aart Total 50
SCHULZE André Total 45
EIBEGGER Markus Total 40
HUNT Jeremy Total 40
BENITEZ POMARES Javier Total 30
BOCHMAN LARSEN Lasse Total 30
CALLEGARIN Daniele Total 30
CARUSO Giampaolo Total 30
COOMANS Bjorn Total 30
CUMMINGS Stephen Total 30
DEHAES Kenny Total 30
DEKKER Thomas Total 30
EICHLER Markus Total 30
FÖRSTER Robert Total 30
GULDHAMMER Rasmus Total 30
HINAULT Sébastien Total 30
KESSIAKOFF Fredrik Total 30
KISERLOVSKI Robert Total 30
LEEZER Tom Total 30
MINARD Sébastien Total 30
MÜLLER Dirk Total 30
MUTO Pasquale Total 30
REDA Francesco Total 30
ROUSSEAU Nicolas Total 30
SANCHEZ GONZALEZ Samuel Total 30
STANGELJ Gorazd Total 30
STARZENGRUBER Harald Total 30
TJALLINGII Maarten Total 30
VACHON Florian Total 30
VAN AVERMAET Greg Total 30
ZIRBEL Tom Total 30
Chicchi Francesco Total 25
Di Luca Danilo Total 25
Fernandez Koldo Total 25
Gene Yohann Total 25
Gilbert Martin Total 25
Hunter, Robert Total 25
Ivanov Serguei Total 25
Maes Nikolas Total 25
Martin Tony Total 25
McEwen Robbie Total 25
Merlo Michele Total 25
Metlushenko Yuri Total 25
Offredo Yoann Total 25
Rast Gregory Total 25
Ravard Anthony Total 25
Rodriguez Joaquim Total 25
Rosseler Sebastien Total 25
Samai Samai Total 25
SCHLECK Andy Total 25
Siedler Sebastian Total 25
Sorensen Nikki Total 25
VISCONTI Giovanni Total 20
BAZAYEV Assan Total 15
CATALDO Dario Total 15
DE JONGH Steven Total 15
DEVENYNS Dries Total 15
DOWNING Russell Total 15
DUQUE Leonardo Fabio Total 15
FINETTO Mauro Total 15
FRÖHLINGER Johannes Total 15
GALIMZYANOV Denis Total 15
GUERRA GARCIA Hector Total 15
HONIG Reinier Total 15
HULSMANS Kevin Total 15
INTXAUSTI ELORRIAGA Beñat Total 15
JEGOU Lilian Total 15
KRITSKIY Timofey Total 15
LAVERDE JIMENEZ Luis Felipe Total 15
PEREZ MORENO Ruben Total 15
POZZOVIVO Domenico Total 15
SCOGNAMIGLIO Carlo Total 15
SOLER HERNANDEZ Juan Mauricio Total 15
THOMAS Geraint Total 15
TRAKSEL Bobbie Total 15
TSCHOPP Johann Total 15
VEELERS Tom Total 15
VITORIA David Total 15
ZEN Jean Total 15
BELKOV Maxim, Total 5
CIONI Dario David, Total 5
GATTO Oscar, Total 5
GRIVKO Andriy, Total 5
PRONI Alessandro Total 5
SCARSELLI Leonardo, Total 5
STANNARD Ian, Total 5
Grand total: 14230
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I take it the book is off to the publisher?
Cool, more stats for us.
"Some people are like slinkies - not really good for anything but they bring a smile to your face when pushed down the stairs."
Uh...gotta go. See you later!
I will be a different rider in 2010, one who wins races.--Linus Gerdemann
Sorry, I was just doing Cat 6.
ToC is new, but it’s Cat 5.
I will be a different rider in 2010, one who wins races.--Linus Gerdemann
Österreich Rundfahrt is new this year too, isn't it?
Any other non-Cat 6 races?
I will be a different rider in 2010, one who wins races.--Linus Gerdemann
Okay, for what it's worth, here are last year's points for the two new Cat 5 races (California and Austria)
LEIPHEIMER Levi Total 230
ALBASINI Michael Total 190
ZABRISKIE David Total 155
PIDGORNYY Ruslan Total 145
Greipel Andre Total 120
ROGERS Michael Total 110
SAMOILAU Branislau Total 110
WEENING Pieter Total 100
Cavendish Mark Total 80
NIBALI Vincenzo Total 80
SEELDRAEYERS Kevin Total 80
VOIGT Jens Total 80
Brown Graeme Total 60
LÖFKVIST Thomas Total 60
REDA Francesco Total 60
CARUSO Giampaolo Total 50
Peterson Thomas Total 50
ARMSTRONG Lance Total 40
Barta Jan Total 40
Boonen Tom Total 40
Cancellara Fabian Total 40
Devenyns Dries Total 40
Hushovd Thor Total 40
Mancebo Francisco Total 40
Moerenhout Koos Total 40
Nocentini Rinaldo Total 40
Schleck Frank Total 40
DENIFL Stefan Total 30
GESINK Robert Total 30
Bertagnolli Leonardo Total 20
DANIELSON Tom Total 20
Freire Oscar Total 20
Hunt Jeremy Total 20
Novoa Joaquin Total 20
Roulston Hayden Total 20
Tuft Svein Total 20
Van de Walle Jurgen Total 20
VANENDERT Jelle Total 20
Belkov Maxim Total 10
Belletti Manuel Total 10
Bodrogi Laszlo Total 10
Haedo Juan Jose Total 10
Hincapie George Total 10
Horillo Pedro Total 10
Larsson Gustav Erik Total 10
Mate Luis Total 10
Renshaw Mark Total 10
Riccio Bernardo Total 10
RUBIERA VIGIL Jose Luis Total 10
Siedler Sebastian Total 10
Grand total 2520
Greipel’s stock just goes up and up…
California is going to be a very different race in the new calendar slot, though.
I will be a different rider in 2010, one who wins races.--Linus Gerdemann
California is going to be a very different race in the new calendar slot, though.
+ a million. And our eyes are gonna pop out from watching the Giro in the am and Cali in the afternoon.
Wait till the Giro startlist comes out
some already confirmed are CVV, Basso, Sastre, one of the Schleck’s isn’t going to Cali(I think Frank). Also some of the top sprinters will probably go to Italy seeing it’s actually sprint friendly the first two weeks. To clarify I believe it will be more hotly contested seeing many of those big names went for training in February, but there will be less big names(Cali had the best field behind the Tour last year).
March 14, 2010: The great one returns!
See here is where Phil's reasoning is wrong.
Phil, you keep thinking that the Giro and ToC are competing for the same pool of riders. They aren’t. The Giro has always had a lot of big names either skip it completely or use it for training purposes. Whole teams at the Pro Tour level skip the Giro. You and I both know that. No matter how much one loves the Giro, startlist-wise it just doesn’t compare to the Tour. That leaves a lot of room for another race to field a decent lineup.
Meanwhile, the ToC is still a .HC race, meaning that only eight Pro Tour teams will be there along with a couple Pro Conti’s and the rest Continental teams. So Phil is wrong to say that last year’s ToC had the best field after the Tour last year because you can;t have said second best field with so many Continental teams. Like in years past every team with some stake in the US will send a few top riders to the race. Like in year’s past, some of those riders will be using it for training purposes. In the end we should see pretty much the same big names there with the same rider who’s won it all but one time being the favorite again.
My whole, slightly exaggerated, team is riding the Giro.. Is that the right strategy Ursula?
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
You are asking me???? Seriously?
Are you even crazier that I think you are Frink? lol I mean I finished like 97th last year.
I will say that a point earned in th Giro is worth as much as a point from ToC. You just have to figure on which riders of yours are likely to make a point.
Mister97.. I was 177th
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
Bt what I missed that year was sprinters.. What do I miss this year.. Yeah.. Sprinters
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
And is Cali not PT?! Wow
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
Wait wait
so because the Giro doesn’t get as many star riders the ToC will still get a bunch? Because in February it was contested next to other top races like the…..umm Volta Algarve? It was by far the biggest warm-up race, the best option in February. Now it’s by far the 2nd biggest race in May and has the Giro to compete with(yes they are competing, I will stick with that for as long as I see any reason not to, which at the moment I don’t). Also has some end of calender races like Tour of Belgium which is at the moment at the same scale as Cali(2.HC).
March 14, 2010: The great one returns!
Frank's having a baby!?!
I hope he’s not taking Ricco’s advice thinking that having babies is easier than racing bikes. ;-p
He who is, is. He who is not, seeks.
Comment of the year, and it's barely February.
I will be a different rider in 2010, one who wins races.--Linus Gerdemann
What a lovely word
"Here the high school level of immaturity will be left to hottitude columns and people like myself." Der Phil. H
Impressive!
Bargain hunting has become easy now. Where is the fun in that?
"I'm sorry Karsten, I can't, I'm fucked" Lance Armstrong in respons to Karsten Kroon's request to take over. Shortly before the Muur van Geraardsbergen, Ronde van Vlaanderen 2005
P.s.
Gasparotto scored 50 points in cat-6 too? If that guy hasn’t BARGAIN written all over his face I’m a lying Norwegian…
"I'm sorry Karsten, I can't, I'm fucked" Lance Armstrong in respons to Karsten Kroon's request to take over. Shortly before the Muur van Geraardsbergen, Ronde van Vlaanderen 2005
Shhhh! Now everybody's going to want him.
I will be a different rider in 2010, one who wins races.--Linus Gerdemann
Probably Igor.
I think he could use the encouragement.
I will be a different rider in 2010, one who wins races.--Linus Gerdemann
By request, here are the points scored in the new races in 2008:
GARZELLI Stefano Total 355
CUMMINGS Stephen Total 240
VANDE VELDE Christian Total 235
HAEDO Juan Jose Total 210
LEIPHEIMER Levi Total 210
TRAKSEL Bobbie Total 205
BAUMANN Eric Total 200
GREIPEL André Total 200
LE LAY David Total 200
VAUGRENARD Benoît Total 200
WEYLANDT Wouter Total 185
NIBALI Vincenzo Total 180
ROHREGGER Thomas Total 180
BERTAGNOLLI Leonardo Total 170
KNEES Christian Total 170
SÖRENSEN Chris Anker Total 170
BRESCHEL Matti Total 165
FERNANDEZ DE LARREA Koldo Total 155
Chicchi Francesco Total 150
GASPAROTTO Enrico Total 150
PAOLINI Luca Total 150
PIDGORNYY Ruslan Total 150
Cancellara Fabian Total 145
ELMIGER Martin Total 145
MILLAR David Total 145
ROELANDTS Jürgen Total 145
ISTA Kevyn Total 140
VISCONTI Giovanni Total 140
LARSSON Gustav Erik Total 135
Boonen Tom Total 130
EISEL Bernhard Total 130
GILBERT Philippe Total 130
REBELLIN Davide Total 130
CHAVANEL Sébastien Total 125
DEVOLDER Stijn Total 125
EVANS Cadel Total 125
GUSEV Vladimir Total 125
HINAULT Sébastien Total 125
PINEAU Jérôme Total 120
SARAMOTINS Aleksejs Total 120
KHALILOV Mikhaylo Total 115
LEQUATRE Geoffroy Total 115
ROSSELER Sébastien Total 110
ARROYO DURAN David Total 100
BENNATI Daniele Total 100
BERTOLINI Alessandro Total 100
BONNET William Total 100
DE JONGH Steven Total 100
DI LUCA Danilo Total 100
EECKHOUT Nico Total 100
FLECHA GIANNONI Juan Antonio Total 100
FUGLSANG Jakob Total 100
GAVAZZI Mattia Total 100
GINANNI Francesco Total 100
IVANOV Ruslan Total 100
IVANOV Serguei Total 100
MASCIARELLI Francesco Total 100
MCEWEN Robbie Total 100
MONDORY Lloyd Total 100
NOCENTINI Rinaldo Total 100
POSTHUMA Joost Total 100
SUTTON Christopher Total 100
TONDO VOLPINI Xavier Total 100
VAITKUS Tomas Total 100
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro Total 100
ZANDIO ECHAIDE Xabier Total 100
ALBASINI Michael Total 95
BOASSON HAGEN Edvald Total 95
COBO ACEBO Juan Jose Total 95
DEMARET Jean-Eudes Total 95
SPRICK Mathieu Total 95
VAN AVERMAET Greg Total 95
WAGNER Robert Total 95
HINCAPIE George Total 90
CIOLEK Gerald Total 85
MOURIS Jens Total 85
Dumoulin Samuel Total 80
GESINK Robert Total 80
PEDRAZA MORALES Walter Fernando Total 80
ARASHIRO Yukiya Total 75
Cavendish Mark Total 75
Hunt Jeremy Total 75
Hutarovich Yauheni Total 75
MORIZOT Florian Total 75
Petacchi Alessandro Total 75
Usov Alexandre Total 75
CELLI Luca Total 70
CHAINEL Steve Total 70
DAVIS Allan Total 70
DIETZIKER Andreas Total 70
FREIRE GOMEZ Oscar Total 70
GIL PEREZ Koldo Total 70
GODDAERT Kristof Total 70
KIRYIENKA Vasil Total 70
LANDALUZE INTXAURRAGA Iñigo Total 70
O’BEE Kirk Total 70
PINEAU Cédric Total 70
POZZATO Filippo Total 70
RATTI Eddy Total 70
REDA Francesco Total 70
ROGERS Michael Total 70
STEEGMANS Gert Total 70
SULZBERGER Wesley Total 70
ZABEL Erik Total 70
Hondo Danilo Total 65
LÖFKVIST Thomas Total 65
PFANNBERGER Christian Total 65
CARUSO Giampaolo Total 60
Haselbacher Rene Total 60
AXELSSON Niklas Total 55
Haussler Heinrich Total 55
KONOVALOVAS Ignatas Total 55
BALDUCCI Gabriele Total 50
BETTINI Paolo Total 50
BIONDO Maurizio Total 50
Bongiorno Guilermo Ruben Total 50
BORISOV Vladislav Total 50
BROWN Graeme Total 50
CESAR VELOSO Gustavo Total 50
CHARTEAU Anthony Total 50
CUNEGO Damiano Total 50
FÖRSTER Robert Total 50
FROOME Chris Total 50
GESLIN Anthony Total 50
GOLCER Jure Total 50
KOREN Kristjan Total 50
MEERSMAN Gianni Total 50
PARDILLA BELLON Sergio Total 50
PAURIOL Rémi Total 50
POZZOVIVO Domenico Total 50
RODRIGUEZ Fred Total 50
SCHLECK Fränk Total 50
SIEBERG Marcel Total 50
STAMSNIJDER Tom Total 50
STANNARD Ian Total 50
TERPSTRA Niki Total 50
TUFT Svein Total 50
ZABRISKIE David Total 50
DE WAELE Bert Total 45
FINETTO Mauro Total 45
RIGOTTO Elia Total 45
ROJAS GIL Jose Joaquin Total 45
BRAJKOVIC Janez Total 40
DEHAES Kenny Total 40
Grabsch Bert Total 40
HORNER Chris Total 40
PAGLIARINI Luciano Andre Mendonça Total 40
Radochla Steffen Total 40
ROLLIN Dominique Total 40
SELLA Emanuele Total 40
VAN DE WALLE Jurgen Total 40
Farrar Tyler Total 35
AMORISON Frédéric Total 30
BALLAN Alessandro Total 30
CHEDHOMME Morgan Total 30
DALIBARD Antoine Total 30
Ferrari Roberto Total 30
GIUNTI Massimo Total 30
JACOBS Pieter Total 30
KIRCHEN Kim Total 30
LAGUTIN Sergey Total 30
LOPEZ GARCIA David Total 30
LOUBET Julien Total 30
MARTIN Daniel Total 30
MAZZANTI Luca Total 30
PALUMBO Giuseppe Total 30
RAVARD Anthony Total 30
RETSCHKE Robert Total 30
RICHEZE Ariel Maximiliano Total 30
RODRIGUEZ ORTIZ Jackson Jesus Total 30
ROUX Anthony Total 30
RUBIANO CHAVEZ Miguel Angel Total 30
SANCHEZ PIMIENTA Julian Total 30
SIJMENS Nico Total 30
TOMBAK Janek Total 30
TOSATTO Matteo Total 30
VOGONDY Nicolas Total 30
YATES Jeremy Total 30
Barry Michael Total 25
Berges Emilien Total 25
Bozic Borut Total 25
Clerc Aurelien Total 25
Commesso Salvatore Total 25
GOSS Matthew Total 25
Kunitski Andrei Total 25
Lee Wong Jai Total 25
Loddo Alberto Total 25
Pollack Olaf Total 25
Renshaw Mark Total 25
Richeze Mauro Total 25
Roche Nicolas Total 25
Savini Filippo Total 25
Schumacher Stefan Total 25
Serpa Jose Total 25
SHPILEVSKY Boris Total 25
Siedler Sebastian Total 25
Van Poppel Boy Total 25
Zagorodny Volodymyr Total 25
Bindi Emanuele Total 20
Glomser Gerrit Total 20
SUTHERLAND Rory Total 20
WIGGINS Bradley Total 20
BARREDO LLAMAZALES Carlos Total 15
BAZAYEV Assan Total 15
BELLOTTI Francesco Total 15
BOSISIO Gabriele Total 15
CANDELARIO Alex Total 15
DANIELSON Tom Total 15
DE KORT Koen Total 15
DE WILDE Sjef Total 15
DRUJON Mathieu Total 15
ENGOULVENT Jimmy Total 15
FEDRIGO Pierrick Total 15
GOESINNEN Floris Total 15
HARTMANN Nicolas Total 15
KOSTYUK Denys Total 15
KRIIT Kalle Total 15
MOSQUERA MIGUEZ Ezequiel Total 15
PICHOT Alexandre Total 15
PIETROPOLLI Daniele Total 15
RODRIGUEZ OLIVER Joaquin Total 15
ROUSSEAU Nicolas Total 15
ROVIRA POUS Jaume Total 15
SOBAL Yauheni Total 15
SOLARI Luca Total 15
SZMYD Sylwester Total 15
TANKINK Bram Total 15
TANNER David Total 15
VAN DIJK Stefan Total 15
VAN STAEYEN Michael Total 15
VIGANO Davide Total 15
WYNANTS Maarten Total 15
Blaudzun Michael Total 10
CAMAÑO ORTUZAR Iker Total 10
CIPOLLINI Mario Total 10
FREI Thomas Total 10
MCCARTNEY Jason Total 10
MOOS Alexandre Total 10
Weissinger Rene Total 10
CATALDO Dario Total 5
NOE Andrea Total 5
VANOTTI Alessandro Total 5
WEGELIUS Charles Total 5
I have respect for guys like Carlos and Thor. It makes it even easier to work for them when they’re two superstars in the sport and they’re so down to earth. I know from experience that other superstars can be real assholes.--Heinrich Haussler
Just occurred to me, though--this doesn't include races that were added or upgraded in 2009...
I have respect for guys like Carlos and Thor. It makes it even easier to work for them when they’re two superstars in the sport and they’re so down to earth. I know from experience that other superstars can be real assholes.--Heinrich Haussler
Very interesting!
Thanks again!
Gerrie Kneteman: If a football player falls he shouts for his mother, if a cyclist falls he yells for his bike.

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