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Countdown to the Cobbles: Here We Go!

[Process note: I'm inventing a new column to provide the daily (ha!) download of details relevant to the Cobbles scene. What form it takes remains to be seen. But know this: with T-A and P-N underway, the Cobbles Season is more or less upon us, and every day the plot thickens. So look for daily updates -- facts, analysis, nonsensical distractions, etc. -- from around the northern end of things.]

3. Reports of Death Exaggerated

Way_of_the_cross_mediumBiggest news of the day comes from the E3 Prijs Vlaanderen, a/k/a Harelbeke, which is not going quietly into the good night now that it shares the weekend with the almost-monumental Gent-Wevelgem instead of Brabantse Pijl. The thinking in some quarters has been that Gent-Wevelgem's shift would enable the race to stake out a huge place for itself a week before de Ronde. But according to Sporza, attendees at E3 Prijs will include Belgium's toppers: Tom Boonen, Philippe Gilbert, Stijn Devolder, and Greg Van Avermaet while early startlists include Edvald Boasson Hagen, Juan Antonio FlechaFilippo Pozzato, ... need I go on?

With just under three weeks to go, the startlists are not much help, but this announcement starts to answer the season's big question: what will the relocation of Gent-Wevelgem do to the calendar? All indications are that the riders will treat G-W like the Top Ten classic it is, and it's hard to imagine a scenario where you just drop it into the pre-Flanders weekend without it sucking some life out of the other events. Some possibilities: maybe the E3 is the warmup for G-W. Maybe the peloton splits, somewhat like Omloop/KBK weekend, where the climbier guys rule on Saturday and the sprinters on Sunday. Maybe everyone races both all out, then feigns interest in Driedaagse de Panne for a day or two before dropping out. Stay tuned.

Oh, and check out the hellingen via the E3 Prijs website, the coolest presentation of the Flemish Ardennes I've seen so far.

2. Harden the Luck Up

Speaking of sprinters and cobbles, Alessandro Petacchi was set to make the start line today at stage 1 of Tirreno-Adriatico after falling in training this week, per the team website. The defending Grote Scheldeprijs champion banged his chin and ankle and came into Le Due Mari in questionable condition, but completing this race is critical for him to have any chance at Milano-Sanremo, and to keep up as the sprinting peloton ventures north. Missing from the internet is anything indicating Petacchi's plans (when cruising rider sites, all the Italian you need to know is "sito in construzione"); his interest in riding the cobbles comes and goes. But the Giro start in the Netherlands is surely on his mind, and Petacchi has made his mark in the harder environs, with a third in Gent and the memory of 50k in a Belgian gale with a broken kneecap.

Another cobbles hopeful, Johnny Hoogerland, bit the dust in Paris-Nice, but seems OK and rolled in 49th today. Hoogie may have flashed some climber cred in the 2009 Vuelta, but his 12th in de Ronde last year is likely a result he'll try to improve on.

One last sidenote to definitely-absent Gert Steegmans: he told Sporza that one of his big objectives was Paris-Roubaix, now crossed off his list. Paris-Roubaix? I can find two starts in his history: a DNF and a 61st. Still, he's a big, strong lad who's rarely ridden for himself in big races, so it's not quite as implausible as, say, Carlos Sastre taking a shot at the Hell of the North. But if his real problem is misfortune, racing for Bruyneel might not be the solution. Train gates? Steerer tubes? Shall I go on?

1. Boem Boem Boom

Dutch rising star Lars Boom finally surrendered his leader's kit(s) at Paris-Nice today, with a handful of teams wisely getting guys into a small break, sans Rabobank. While I am sure the disappointment will be dripping off the pages of De Telegraaf later, there's no great shame in being taught a lesson by Jens Voigt. Still, as of last night there were about 20 different articles on Mr. Tree ("boom" = tree) including a reader survey on whether he was the best (survey says: nope, Robert Gesink is), and a quote from Rabo DS Erik Dekker which may or may not suggest that Boom can win the Tour de France someday, depending on whether you take Google translations at face value (I don't). Meanwhile, here at the Cafe our own J. Frinking remarked yesterday that Boom looked like he was headed for trouble. Frinking 1, De Telegraaf 0.

[Update] And Lars reports that his Apple is smashed, presumably meaning his computer. Bad luck? Or does he not like losing? Onward and upward, young Lars!

[And one more] Sounds like Boom is more realistic than De Telegraaf: "It is nice that the people are so compassionate and enthusiastic, but they should not expect a lot from me directly now. I'm still just Lars Boom."

Cuddles' Corner!

Cuddles_the_cobble_small_medium "When Tom Boonen accelerated briefly in the Omloop and dropped the entire race field, seemingly just cuz he could, it sent a rather loud message to the field that he wasn't to be trifled with. Not everyone likes to send messages before, oh, the Koppenberg. Some guys like to take a string of DNFs and triple-digit finishes into Flanders-Roubaix week, only to suddenly come alive. My Top Three Spring Sandbaggers: 1. Leif Hoste; 2. Nick Nuyens; 3. Martijn Maaskant. Don't be fooled."

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Dekker on Boom
Ik durf maar 1 wedstrijd te noemen die jij niet kan winnen: De Tour.

The only race of which I dare say you cannot win it is the TdF.

Gerrie Kneteman: If a football player falls he shouts for his mother, if a cyclist falls he yells for his bike.

by Lopex on Mar 10, 2010 2:43 PM EST reply actions  

Ok

was wondering if he was saying he could win it, or challenging him, or just saying forget it.

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 10, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

It was encouraging

The only race Dekker was sure Boom could not win was the TdF. That’s a whole lot of races he can win in Dekker’s opinion..

Gerrie Kneteman: If a football player falls he shouts for his mother, if a cyclist falls he yells for his bike.

by Lopex on Mar 10, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Like

the Vuelta. Plenty of honor in that.

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 10, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Or the Giro

Gerrie Kneteman: If a football player falls he shouts for his mother, if a cyclist falls he yells for his bike.

by Lopex on Mar 10, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

And that makes me wonder

Which rider has won more of the races on the calendar?

by ursula on Mar 10, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Not following you

But I’m guessing Merckx. You can never go wrong with Merckx, I always say.

Gerrie Kneteman: If a football player falls he shouts for his mother, if a cyclist falls he yells for his bike.

by Lopex on Mar 10, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Or Van Petegem

That guy was EVERYWHERE!

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 10, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok

Now I see what Ursula wanted to know.

But Merckx is indeed a good guess. Zoetemelk also won a lot of different races. It will also depend on what races you count. And many races started attracting a international field only for the last decade and a half or so.

Gerrie Kneteman: If a football player falls he shouts for his mother, if a cyclist falls he yells for his bike.

by Lopex on Mar 10, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

there was hardly a race finishing in Ninove or Roubaix he didn’t win.

by Jens on Mar 10, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Valverde and Contador

Not exactly Kelly and Merckx. But that’s Cycling in the modern era.

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 10, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

What has Contador won?

Outside the 3 GT’s?

Gerrie Kneteman: If a football player falls he shouts for his mother, if a cyclist falls he yells for his bike.

by Lopex on Mar 10, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Paris-Nice

handful of week-long events. Spanish Crono title.

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 10, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

He'll be hard-pressed to go beyond

10 different VDS races.
Right? Or am I wrong (again)?

Gerrie Kneteman: If a football player falls he shouts for his mother, if a cyclist falls he yells for his bike.

by Lopex on Mar 10, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

er

wanna count stages? I don’t, but it wasn’t my question originally.

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 10, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Every stage race max 2 I'd say

1 for a stage, 1 for overall

Gerrie Kneteman: If a football player falls he shouts for his mother, if a cyclist falls he yells for his bike.

by Lopex on Mar 10, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

But that would favour the sprinters

Freire
A stage in any stage race you can think of (outside the Giro).
WC, Vattenfall, Brabantse Pijl, MSR, G-W, and he must have won some of the cat 5 and cat 6 VDS stuff right?

Gerrie Kneteman: If a football player falls he shouts for his mother, if a cyclist falls he yells for his bike.

by Lopex on Mar 10, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Anyway

Very good question. Who will set up the fanpost about it to get the counting going?

I’m off to bed. Ciao!

Gerrie Kneteman: If a football player falls he shouts for his mother, if a cyclist falls he yells for his bike.

by Lopex on Mar 10, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's what I mean

I’d like to set up a system where all races and all stages in a stage race fall into one of oh 4-8 categories. (Yes, I am thinking out loud.) So if a rider wins one or a zillion times in a certain category his point total still counts as one. So I am asking for the rider who’s won in the most categories.

Categories could be (and this would need refinement):

- Bunch sprinter stages regardless of if it is in the Tour of Belgium or the Champs.
- Mountain top HC races.
- Cobbled Classics
- Hilly Classics
-Flat classics
- Flat TT courses
- mountain TT courses
- flat stage races
- Hilly stage races
- Grand Tours

Okay, that’s nine categories so far. I’m sure these categories could be improved on and added to. So I want to know who’s won the most categories. Bert has won in 4 of these categories and one can imagine him winning a couple more categories. Cancellara has won in 6 I think. Kreuziger has got 3 so far. Gilbert, 5 I think. My guess is that the best riders of the present will have won in 4-7 categories but only the rare individual would win in more than 7. (EBH eventually?)

by ursula on Mar 10, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

So I ask

Is this something that you, the reading public, would find interesting if I spent hours tinkering on it?

by ursula on Mar 10, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

+1 vote

for yes

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 10, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh yeah.

It's fun to beat Cancellara--Edvald Boasson Hagen

by majope on Mar 10, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure

I mean, you’re doing the work, right, I’m not doing anything, right?

by tedvdw on Mar 10, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

+1 vote

I’d offer to help, but I’m not feeling terribly OCD these days. Something like this would have to wait for a time when I need a fixation.

Vlaanderens Mooiste

by Koppenberg on Mar 10, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha!

Okay I’ll get to working. I might email a couple of you with some preliminary questions, like defining the categories and the races used for each category. The final product will come out at the end of the season.

And Big E (Ted), you’ve done quite enough.

by ursula on Mar 10, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure

But wouldn’t this be similar to the rider ranking you’ve been working on before? It is all about diversity of skillset.
I for one are more interested in the number of individual races any rider has won. It’s all about being part of cycling history in as many places as possible.

Gerrie Kneteman: If a football player falls he shouts for his mother, if a cyclist falls he yells for his bike.

by Lopex on Mar 11, 2010 2:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Is this like the "What have the Romans ever done for us?"

Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.

by TheFigurehead on Mar 10, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh and

Lance. Apart from the tours, San Seb, Fleche Wallonne, World Champs, Dauphine, Tour de Suisse and the American stuff.

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 10, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Greipel?

Won a lot of smaller races last year.
Gilbert maybe
But probably someone who has been around a little longer.
Valverde?

Gerrie Kneteman: If a football player falls he shouts for his mother, if a cyclist falls he yells for his bike.

by Lopex on Mar 10, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Spartacus?

 MSR, PR, TTs, road stages of the tours…

Fabian kicks a$$!!!

by JustJoshinYa on Mar 10, 2010 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Ursula says that above ;)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Mar 10, 2010 8:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Well Boonen has won at 24 different races that are on the calendar...

be it stages,overall or a one-day. That would be high up there but I saw you made changes to your system

by Vlaanderen90 on Mar 10, 2010 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Dekker's right I think

Boom isn’t a grand tour rider, but he has the combination of skills to win any number of races on the calendar. A bit like Gilbert, only maybe more so.

I’d put Jalabert among the recent riders who won a lot of different types of races.

by Jen See on Mar 10, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Jalabert!

Hadn’t thought of him but you are right.

by ursula on Mar 10, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

No criticism of course, just helping out

Great column. Cobble on!

Gerrie Kneteman: If a football player falls he shouts for his mother, if a cyclist falls he yells for his bike.

by Lopex on Mar 10, 2010 2:46 PM EST reply actions  

will there be a side story

about you cycling from Seattle to Belgium?

Moo

by Willj on Mar 10, 2010 2:48 PM EST reply actions  

Moo

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 10, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

So I am wondering

Is there a fight going on between the organizers of the two races?

by ursula on Mar 10, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

From the outside it looks like

the flandersclassics-group (don’t know who is the money behind) is trying to dominate the market and single race organizers are struggling to maintain their positions on the calendar .

by Jens on Mar 10, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

I hadn’t read anything on this, but one has to suspect that E3 is getting stomped by larger forces. It’s the way of the world.

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 10, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I still think that E3 will play a good role because they are riding a lot of the same climbs as RVV

and you can see who is really in shape. I think G-W will be important b/c it has money behind it but it goes into France to find hills…meh

by Vlaanderen90 on Mar 10, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey

E3 goes into Hainault. I suppose that’s not as much of a sin…

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 10, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Thought I saw

La Houppe.

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 10, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah yes of course

Côte de la Houppe in La Houppe, Flobecq, or in Dutch: Hoppeberg in d’Hoppe, Vloesberg. The Knokteberg or Côte de Trieu (without X) is also just over the border into Hainaut (without L).

by tedvdw on Mar 10, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats true but the meat of the course is on hills that will be scaled a week later or a equivelant...

G-W, I see it as a great race, but it is just another race for prep and not reconnaissance

by Vlaanderen90 on Mar 10, 2010 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Great that it goes into France

Much as I love cobbled sufferfesting, the races blur in my memory when the Kwaremont, Taaienberg and Kapelmuur are used every time. G-W is the most original course out there.

by Mr 60 Percent on Mar 10, 2010 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Amazing opportunity, Chris:

Follow the E3 Prijs from a race helicopter for only €1000! Ah wait, how much is that in US$? Probably a lot.

by tedvdw on Mar 10, 2010 3:22 PM EST reply actions  

€1000

What am I, the Pentagon?

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 10, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

slightly o/t sand-bagging question?

Mark Cavendish: toting bags of sand, or toting extra kilos of excess bodyweight?

discuss . . .

(stuck in a Mike Meyers-inspired comment rut, apparently)

by R Mc on Mar 10, 2010 3:24 PM EST reply actions  

ha

perhaps he is not used to such cold temps – Isle of Man is almost tropical compared to recent southern Europe temps ….

but I’ll vote for bags of sand

Moo

by Willj on Mar 10, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

loads of them

"well...you live in england so: you love the rain. loves the queen. hates cycling. based on mr bean had a tremendous amount of humour. all ride in a mini cooper. all getting drunk before the age of 12. getting drunk at least 3 times a day."- frinking, 7/9/09

by Ben Shave on Mar 10, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Tom Boonen wins Flanders.

You read it here first. No way he lets Stijn stick it to him three years in a row. Canvendish wish San Remo, Cancellara wins Roubaix.

I miss Paolo Bettini. That is all.

by crashdan on Mar 10, 2010 3:28 PM EST reply actions  

I'm on it...

… also, Armstrong wins everything else this year… from Fleche Wallone to Giro del’Emilia. Everything.

I miss Paolo Bettini. That is all.

by crashdan on Mar 10, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Nohooo

Surely Armstrong can’t win the Tour de Rijke!

Gerrie Kneteman: If a football player falls he shouts for his mother, if a cyclist falls he yells for his bike.

by Lopex on Mar 10, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

He can... and will...

He will also win the World Cup, The Ashes, Bingo at the Church of The Sacred Heart sponsored “Bingo and Bongos” charity dance competition (which he will also win), the Indy 500, The Masters, the Australian Grand Prix at Philip Island, the AIDA International Free Diving competition, Beerfest, and a table tennis tourney that will be conducted three Saturdays from now by four Hindi developers stuck in a Silicon Valley start up that only have to be there because if their name isn’t on the sign in sheet, they’ll lose their H1-B visa status.

All of it.

I miss Paolo Bettini. That is all.

by crashdan on Mar 10, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

How about the rövkrok event at Stångaspelen?

He’s of course the best rövkrokaren ever.

Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.

by TheFigurehead on Mar 10, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

He can... and he will...

… when he’s working the blurglecruncheon, the other rövkrokars can’t spiegel their undervarklamen.

I miss Paolo Bettini. That is all.

by crashdan on Mar 10, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Holy cow,

you know how to make up for lost time.

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Mar 10, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

oh, don't flatter him

it’s “rövkrokare” not “rövkrokars”

by Jens on Mar 10, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

But

he already lost the Tour of Lankawi. So that makes him 4th best climber in the world at best. J-Rod is going to beat him in the tour this year.

"Today I was honked at...I caught up and made a great honking noise back...he caught up and said I'm gonna punch you in the face...I laughed."

~DZ

by Hons on Mar 10, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, Cavendish wish San Remo

but this year he doesn’t get it.

It's fun to beat Cancellara--Edvald Boasson Hagen

by majope on Mar 10, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

The Internet Forum People have spoken.

It's fun to beat Cancellara--Edvald Boasson Hagen

by majope on Mar 10, 2010 9:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha!

We’re smart us Internet Forum People. At least, we think we are…

by Jen See on Mar 10, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

As I've always said

better to be a smart-ass than a dumb-ass.

"Some people are like slinkies - not really good for anything but they bring a smile to your face when pushed down the stairs."

by jsallee00 on Mar 11, 2010 1:44 AM EST up reply actions  

ezactly

I do like how you think.

by Jen See on Mar 11, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

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