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The Shack: A team designed not to win




Today came the news that the Shack will not be given a wild card into the Giro even though they apparently asked for one. They were rejected because Lance and Levi would be in Cali at the time, this got me thinking. As much slack as Astana has gotten they seem to be a team that will actually finish the year with numerous more wins then the Shack. It shows that it's not how many big names you have on a team but what type of racers.

 

While Astana has guys that can win smaller to medium sized one day races and stages and stage races and of course the best stage racer in the world the Shack has a bunch of guys who will win NOTHING. I know Lance and JB will call the year successful if they do well in July but what if they don't even get a podium? Then what does the Shack have to offer? They have guys who could contend for GT podiums but are too timid to race for themselves, of course this being Levi and Kloden. They will help Lance(or maybe it will be Lance helping Levi) but they themselves will not win much if anything outside of Cali. Then the Shack has a bunch of guys who will be helpful domestique's but will also have little chance to shine elsewhere. Their classics team is almost non-existent, Horner is probably the best rider on the team in the hilly races and Gert for the cobbles, but Gert is out and both those guys are B class riders in the classics. They have no big name sprinters, again Gert is likely the best one on the team and again he is in the B class of sprinters.

I'm sure the Shack will win a few smaller races but big races? I can't see any of their stage racers winning many of the big stage races and the Giro is already a no go, the Vuelta may be a chance for Levi but will the Shack even care to bring a good support squad? They will get top 10 finishes and win the ToC but that's about it. So on conclusion it seems they better do very well at the Tour or else this super team will look very mediocre. Building a cycling team is more then having a good squad for one race, Team Sky may have only one GT contender but they will finish the year with better results then the Shack, much better. The balance is far superior.

So what will the Shack's program look like in the next years? Of course it is far too early to know what type of transfers they will make but when lance is gone and Levi and Andreas are close to retiring then what? I can see they are trying to develop some younger riders on the team like Machado but I don't see a ton of young potential there or on the youth squad outside of Phinney and will a JB and LA led team really start focusing on a balanced squad or will they try to make these guys into Tour contenders? The Shack is a good idea but I believe the direction they are going in for this year and beyond is all wrong. Yes an American team that does well in the Tour will be seen as a massive success to the American media but is that all the Shack really wants to be? Thoughts?

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I think Lance had some hopes of getting Andy Schleck

and making him the cornerstone of The Shack for the future. Of course, the chances of that happening seem unlikely now, he may very well end up at a team designed around him with his brother and maybe some others from Saxo Bank if the team truly dissolves. The biggest shame for Armstrong is that if he only played nice with Contador and accepted him as his heir, Contador may have been the one for Radio Shack, but now? The question will be if Phinney can be groomed into a future champion for the United States, as I really don’t see any U.S.pros today with the potential. But, as long as the Armstrong name is tied to the team, im sure Radio Shack will be able to fill its roster with some talent, remember its only year one of a team concept Armstrong intended to last far beyond his retirement.

by agl on Mar 21, 2010 5:49 PM EDT reply actions  

ouch!

not sure what I think but you raise some really interesting points. It’s true that they look like a team that’s built to contend for only one important race (well two if you include California). In that sense, though, I wonder if they can be said to be all that different from Armstrong’s teams in the past – I guess those teams had Hincapie, but people often talk about how little support those teams actually gave him. Anyways, great read!

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by plinytheelder on Mar 21, 2010 5:56 PM EDT reply actions  

While it may be surprising I actually want the Shack to do well

OK I don’t want them to win the Tour with the guys they have and they will not be my favorite American team BUT if they can have success over a broader amount of races then I see that as only a good thing for exposure to cycling in the US. People follow Lance religiously and even when he is retired they will follow how his team does.

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by Phil H. on Mar 21, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

you wait until july when lance wins the tour

ahem

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by Ben Shave on Mar 21, 2010 6:03 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

(wait, that wasn’t sarcasm, was it? ’cause, you know, I really would be happy for Lance to win…)

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by cg. on Mar 21, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh no

dead serious ;)

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by Ben Shave on Mar 22, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

tiny bit confused here

I thought earlier in the year the Shack were basically saying they had no intention of going to the Giro anyway?

"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK

by civetta on Mar 21, 2010 6:22 PM EDT reply actions  

no, I saw that

that’s what has me confused

"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK

by civetta on Mar 21, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

From Biciciclismo

In January:

“No está decidido todavía si correr o no el Giro, está en el aire. Estamos hablando con los organizadores de RCS”, destaca el mánager belga.

Uncertain, having discussions with RCS?

Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.

by TheFigurehead on Mar 21, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

fair enough

but the bigger surprise would’ve been had they gone

"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK

by civetta on Mar 21, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe they realized that they have a lot of riders who don't target the ToC

Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.

by TheFigurehead on Mar 21, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

How long does the Shack's sponsorship deal last anyway?

Because once LA, Leipheimer and Kloden retire it makes me wonder if there will even be a team. Bruyneel already retired once, after all… plus he has a young family and his “clothing range” (snigger) to focus on.

by afx237vi on Mar 21, 2010 6:26 PM EDT reply actions  

I believe 3 years

but could be wrong, it goes longer than Lance’s career will(or is expected to).

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by Phil H. on Mar 21, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look at Disco 2006-7 for clues

After Armstrong left, the team brought in Hoste, Gusev, VandenBroeck and Devolder in 2006. The cobbles team was really strong that year.

Then in 2007 in came Contador, Basso, Leipheimer, Paulinho.

I imagine they’ll try something similar next season. With all the sponsorships ending and with Liquigas bloated with GC guys, It’s not hard to imagine who they might be targeting for GC and the classics.

by Mr 60 Percent on Mar 21, 2010 7:41 PM EDT reply actions  

I hope Kreuziger goes to Lotto

That team could really use a decent GC rider now that Cadel is gone.

by Fernando on Mar 23, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a feeling Kreuziger's the one Liquigas will fight to keep

Nibali seems certain to go to greener pastures, I wonder about Basso maybe reuniting with the Schlecks, if they break with Riis (a big if), and think Pellizotti may be at his peak now, but definitely not the future. Kreuziger has to be their guy, doubt he goes anywhere.

by agl on Mar 23, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Basso

there was talk about him joining Contador on a team in the future as the two are quite close. I could see him going to whichever team Bert goes to next year.

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by Phil H. on Mar 23, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seems a bit early...

to be proclaiming Radio Shack’s season a failure. Granted they’ve been pretty meh so far, but hey, Fabian Cancellara and Andy Schleck still had 0 VDS points last I looked, so we haven’t seen a meaningful amount of racing yet. Shack MIGHT suck, sure, but they might be brilliant too. I understand why people don’t like LA and JB, but I don’t understand why people think they’re incompetent. The record says otherwise.

Cycling will always be a beautiful sport no matter how many people disgrace it.--Christian Vande Velde

by tgartner on Mar 21, 2010 9:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Cance has 30 points at present, not much tho, i get your point

agreed, the season is too young to make dterminations about how the season will play. Perhaps The Shack has something more to show us, one could hope.

by agl on Mar 21, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have Klodi in Catalunya... I'm expecting a win ;)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Mar 21, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not proclaiming the season to be a failure

I’m merely saying where I see this team going.

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by Phil H. on Mar 21, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

And you may well be right...

But I guess my point is that they’re bright guys, they are not incapable of course corrections.

Cycling will always be a beautiful sport no matter how many people disgrace it.--Christian Vande Velde

by tgartner on Mar 22, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think the direction they are going is "wrong" as you say.

It might not be what you or I want. But if LA manages the podium again at the TdF, and they do pull off the ToC victory, and put together a team to help Farrar win Worlds, they will have satified their people. Nothing else they accomplish will hit the headlines with much impact.

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Mar 21, 2010 10:31 PM EDT reply actions  

You mean the US is going to actively compete at the Worlds? ;)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Mar 21, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's been some talk about it, can you believe it?

I think it will happen too. It is a good course for Farrar. Though I hate to say I won’t be rooting for him. Well, if it happens, I might get swept up in the national pride thing.

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Mar 21, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's good for the sport in the US...

So who will you be going for before the national pride kicks in?

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Mar 21, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well,

there are several guys I would love to see spoiling the sprinters parade. But if it comes down to a sprint, I think Cav will, and rightfully, take it.

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Mar 21, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Worlds

Garmin and some BMC riders seem better suited to help Farrar at this year’s course then guys like Lance and Levi. Also I get what you’re saying, that’s why I posed the question “is that what Shack wants?” because they probably would settle for it. But it seems to lack ambition for a major PT team and if a Shack rider wins the Giro or L-B-L with LA as DS(hey there’s an idea) then I think it would raise some headlines in the states.

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by Phil H. on Mar 21, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

LA or Levi can't sit on the front with DZ and help keep a race in check for their sprinter?

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Mar 21, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lance hasn't road World's since '98 and I can't see him setting a little tempo for Farrar and finishing in the pack...

Levi doesn’t seem like he would do it either since his rider type isn’t what this course is about.

I agree with Phil that most of the guys on Garmin and BMc will fill up the roster…the only Shack I can see there maybe is Busche

"Cofidis Keukeleire in revelation set off a seat and made the job off." Oh Google translator...

by Vlaanderen90 on Mar 21, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

LA and Levi sitting in the front and controlling the peloton?

you really think they are the best options for that role?

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by Phil H. on Mar 21, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not saying they will or won't, just that they can.

And why wouldn’t they? It’s another trip to Austalia.

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Mar 21, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see Lance going

Levi for the TT but I don’t think he will do the RR.

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by Phil H. on Mar 21, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

But who would take his place? There are nine places to fill...

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Mar 22, 2010 7:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nine places, that's what I was wanting to know.

I didn’t know the teams could be that big, I was thinking 7 or 8 at most.

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Mar 22, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nine if they're one of the top teams. It seems to be in multiples of three..

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Mar 22, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah but U.S.A will probably be 6 this year if they don't get the ball rolling.

"Cofidis Keukeleire in revelation set off a seat and made the job off." Oh Google translator...

by Vlaanderen90 on Mar 23, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree, but i was trying to be optimistic..

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Mar 23, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

One thing I would like to see is a little less Lance focus and a little more freedom for the others.

Like Horner – you mention the classics, but here is a guy who consistently hangs with the GT guys climb after climb after climb doing work. If he was actually protected, who knows what he could do (if he could stay upright at least one year).

Maybe it is they are too timid (Kloden – hell, even Popovitch – he’s still @Shack, right). Maybe I am just anti LA…but, it’s time for these other guys to be able to shine before they are all too old to ride too…

by JustJoshinYa on Mar 21, 2010 11:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Horner has repeatedly said that he enjoys his role.

Just let him ride is his only command. Why do we keep whining about guys doing what they want or what they’re suited to do? The talent might be there for a lot of guys, but few can handle the pressure.

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Mar 21, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Coudn't agree more... and 'timid' is a word that I can't use

for any cyclist who manages to have a long career in pro-cycling.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Mar 21, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Guess I never knew he's so happy in his role...

I got to see Horner once race the Saturn Cycling Classic – years ago in Colorado. That race was just a huge day of climbing over 10,000 feet most of the day. He just seemed like such a cool guy and he totally smoked the field into Breckenridge. I always wanted to see him do well and win some races when we went back to Europe.

But as you say, if he’s happy then I agree, why fault him? I just never knew if he wanted more or what? I have to admit it kinda looks to me that at the shack, it’s all about the lance…but maybe there is a reason these guys stick around, right? Can’t all be bad or else they’d have walked. Also, back to horner, if he likes his role, I like him even more because it takes something special to deal with the grind and not be the one getting all the glory all the time.

by JustJoshinYa on Mar 21, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chris is one of my favorite riders but

both Chris Horner and I both know that he can’t Time-Trial with the elite.

So Super-Duper domestic he has to be.

I waited a half an hour to give my two toddlers breakfast until I had my Eneco tour coverage sorted, then made sure I got them fed before the sprint. --- Bought With Blood. ..... Hmmm, my kinda people. If only they could explain to my wife why my bike belongs in the house and not the garage. --- Thevaro

by thevaro on Mar 22, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

My impression of Horner

Is that he’d rather be a super-domestique on a top team than a leader on a mediocre team; he wants to be in at the top level, in whatever role he can fill there. Not that he’s without ambition or pride, just that he defines it in a different way.

Cycling will always be a beautiful sport no matter how many people disgrace it.--Christian Vande Velde

by tgartner on Mar 22, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah and

we all put an impossible expectation on all the almost-great riders. The reason they don’t win more or lead their teams more often is they aren’t as good as AC, Cadel, Andy, Levi, and EBH. That doesn’t mean they aren’t fantastic athletes with tremendous heart and will. They are.

The gods are just a level or two higher.

I waited a half an hour to give my two toddlers breakfast until I had my Eneco tour coverage sorted, then made sure I got them fed before the sprint. --- Bought With Blood. ..... Hmmm, my kinda people. If only they could explain to my wife why my bike belongs in the house and not the garage. --- Thevaro

by thevaro on Mar 23, 2010 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

i think it's wrong to assume that every rider sees being a super domestique as a failure...

I actually think it can be heroic… think Jens!

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Mar 22, 2010 7:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Say that to me again when you're older... the perameters for 'failure' change ;)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Mar 22, 2010 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Better...

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Mar 22, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Saturn Cycling Classic

was one of the coolest races and one that I definitely miss. i would rather see it return than a Tour of CO.

Thank you for returning to my life cross season!

by australopithecine on Mar 22, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was that Boulder to Breckinridge?

Or something else? Heh, can’t always remember which race had which sponsor. Dur.

by Jen See on Mar 22, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is the one

It was awesome. it had the dirt climb and descent over Guanella Pass where some would switch to mountain bikes. IIRC it only took place 2 years.

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by australopithecine on Mar 22, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

That thingy was sweet, and it was a resurrection as I recall of the old Red Zinger that followed a similar route. Very cool race. Wish someone could find a sponsor to run that thing again.

by Jen See on Mar 22, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Greg Lemond was the grand marshal for the race one year...

Regardless of my mixed feelings about him…I was pushing kids out of the way to shake his hand… (slight exaggeration…I was actually shoving them…)

Was a great race…loved being in Breckenridge for the finish! A huge cycling party! :)

by JustJoshinYa on Mar 22, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your boy Klodi is timid

it’s not necessarily a bad thing, I agree with sminer if they are happy about their role then let them do it, I’ve gotten over the point where I got mad at Kloden for not realizing he could win a Tour if he just had ridden for himself but those days are over with anyway. He has said it himself he doesn’t have the nerve to be leader but he is one damn good domestique. I think Horner is the same but I’m not sure about Levi. He probably can handle being leader but is better with another contender on the team(as seen with his best GT results coming along side Bert).

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by Phil H. on Mar 21, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Having a leader/co-leader teammate like Bert

certainly relieves some of the pressure when gunning for a GT.

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Mar 22, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Timid is a word that offends me, but maybe not Kloden...

I have a problem with the measure of success being winning and nothing else.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Mar 22, 2010 7:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

As do i

I personally think Klodi has got heart, ive seen it on display in his racing throughout his career, regardless of the big results hes capable of. For whatever reason, he prefers to be a second hand guy, a backup option, but nonetheless he does very well, almost thriving in that role. Hes found his niche, i say let him thrive in it.

by agl on Mar 22, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about lack of killer instinct?

Here’s the definition:

an aggressive tenacious urge for domination in a struggle to attain a set goal

by MambaFan on Mar 22, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's better... because for me, lacking a killer instinct is not always a bad thing.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Mar 22, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Killer instinct is a factor, I'm sure...

But I also think the physiological element is important—some riders have good power but just don’t accelerate well, which obviously is crucial in a sport where aerodynamics rule. So they end up second, third, fourth a lot, unless they’re facing lesser competition (e.g. Levi in the ToC.)

Cycling will always be a beautiful sport no matter how many people disgrace it.--Christian Vande Velde

by tgartner on Mar 22, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Designed not to win or just some bad luck

I guess I have been following cycling about 10-12 years and I don’t think I have ever seen a cyclist with more luck than Lance Armstrong. Surviving cancer, returning to the highest level of the sport after such an an invasive disease had spead throughout his body, surviving the Beloki crash, having Tyler Hamilton slow down the elite-group after the yellow-lunch-sack smashed him to the floor, almost never having a serious crash or injury over his career.

As a cyclist, that is one heck of a lucky rabbits foot he is caring. So I look at this as the luck just evening out. Its completely (!) plausible that Gert could have won a few races, Horner could have beaten Krueziger at Sardenia ( 2 seconds ) , Kloden was 4 seconds from the podium at Murcia, and if Levi and Machado could have finished a few seconds faster at Algarve they would have been second and third to that really good guy from Spain.

Then the story would be that The-Shack is a strong team built around success at the Grand Tours. If Levi, Horner and Gert would stop falling down and hurting themselves, then you’d see the RS deliver more on the potential of their team.

Or Kloden, Levi, and Lance are done …. and you are right.

I really really hope that is not true, just as a cycling fan who would like to see all those big names go to war with Alberto, Andy and Denis … and the strongest man stands on the top step.

I waited a half an hour to give my two toddlers breakfast until I had my Eneco tour coverage sorted, then made sure I got them fed before the sprint. --- Bought With Blood. ..... Hmmm, my kinda people. If only they could explain to my wife why my bike belongs in the house and not the garage. --- Thevaro

by thevaro on Mar 22, 2010 12:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Today Tweet by Arsmstrong:
interesting 2 read that @teamradioshack not selected 4 the Giro. Unrelated – guess they got our letter Jan 23 saying we wouldn’t be coming.

Moo

by Willj on Mar 22, 2010 3:48 AM EDT reply actions  

aha

"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK

by civetta on Mar 22, 2010 6:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd say media spin on both sides here, but very little 'bashing'

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Mar 22, 2010 7:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't know about the media spin by both sides

I remember them picking ToC over Giro. I didn’t hear anything about them wanting to send a B team to the Giro.

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Mar 22, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

As I expected...

It was more of a media spin, or as JB puts it nicely, a slight misrepresentation by the media. Here is JB’s comments on CN’s report and comments on other subjects we’ve seen and discussed recently.

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Mar 22, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

This kind of snark is why I stopped following that guy on Twitter. I liked him more when he just rode.

"He looked pretty good until he went over the side of that cliff." - thevaro

by SpaceGuy on Mar 22, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

I stopped following him awhile ago. His narcissism is monumental.

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by ZoeRochelle on Mar 25, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Phinney and Farrar are the future of The Shack

It’s too early to call this out. It’s another year of a really weak Brunyeel classics team. It’s nothing new. The B guys might still have good years left.

Give it time – the classics failure could be spectacular, but there are other shitty teams, too.

Watching the 2009 mountain stage recaps on youtube recently, noted Lance was very strong. It’s not out of the question that Lance could represent at Amstel, or even maybe Liege.

by rubesANdbabes on Mar 22, 2010 1:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Farrar?

Do you really think he’ll leave Garmin? I’m not so sure of that, myself.

by Jen See on Mar 22, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

farrar has garmin to himself

no wiggins, an aging Vandevelde, and secondtier sprinters to form a leadout, changing teams when everythings working to get in place seems kind of odd, even if its the lure of the Lance name. My verdict is he stays with vaughters.

by agl on Mar 22, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now, you're talking

Yes, I could see them picking up Greipel pretty easily. They probably have a good shot at picking off one of the Liquigas guys too – not sure which one, really, though Nibali is English-speaking and clearly ambitious.

by Jen See on Mar 22, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

To tell you the truth

I really see nibali as the guy for The shack in the future, seems to me like that would be a good fir. Liquigas is a little crowded, and Nibali has the potential to be a big winner.

by agl on Mar 22, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm. I wonder if anything will come of that. I rather hope it does

but it all went quiet last time once Fanini started muttering darkly about secret training rides between Livigno & San Moritz. (Is Nibali still suing him, by the way, or is it all forgotten now?)

"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK

by civetta on Mar 22, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I suspect it's forgotten

It seems to be the pattern, at least. Fanini starts talking, riders threaten to sue, it all blows over. The San Moritz thing, yes, that could be a problem for Team Sky. But probably not for RadioShack. A Ferrari connection might be a selling point, really.

by Jen See on Mar 22, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

quite

"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK

by civetta on Mar 22, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sky will get to him first

they have already shown how much they want him and have the money to spend, he will be a Sky rider by the time the Vuelta hits(as in he will be confirmed for next year by that time).

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by Phil H. on Mar 22, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any reason you aren't hoping to see Tony Martin at the Shack?

    Or Mick Rogers will be eligible for the old timers club soon enough.

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by flying dog on Mar 22, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't pension him off yet... only 30 or 31... we age prematurely here

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Mar 22, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's old and useless at Columbia,

    but he may be just coming of an age that Radio Shack can begin to see his usefulness.

Bicycling is the nearest approximation I know to the flight of birds. Louis J. Helle, Jr.

by flying dog on Mar 23, 2010 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't agree. They need an experienced road captain

and in spite of the prevailing sentiment that Big George was the sole reason the leadout train worked, much as I love him, I also think rogers plays an important part.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Mar 23, 2010 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

You are way too sensitive, I'm seeing Rogers as a contender .

    I really think that Rogers is on a team where he is being held back. Before Cav he was given a chance to be the team leader at the Tour and crashed while being the leader of the race on the road. He should be given a chance, he’s not timid about wanting to race for his own GC. He is getting older and that seems to fit in with Radio Shack, they see the value in stage racers as something more than shepherds for the kiddie racers that Columbia loves.

Bicycling is the nearest approximation I know to the flight of birds. Louis J. Helle, Jr.

by flying dog on Mar 23, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sky will have to admit that it's an international team...

…and at least partially Italian (given the sponsorship) first. True, the reality on the ground is that, but as long as Bailisford’s “British Team” nonsense remains the party line, how many non-Brit GC riders can they sign. I’d find them infinitely less obnoxious if they’d just be another team like the rest of them and ditch the tenuous nationalistic stuff—especially since that was clearly just a device to give them justification to pry a bunch of riders out of contracts to get themselves up and running.

/rant.

by Ed K on Mar 23, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think they pretty much already have, actually. Look at how they've been bigging up EBH.

As I’ve said before, I do think the “Brit” stuff is so much guff, really. Brailsford’s ambition was to run a protour road team but using the infrastructure of British Cycling, which he’d been heavily involved in building, to do it. That’s what that was all about. They’ve been pretty pragmatic when it’s come to choosing riders & seem no more nationalistic (in fact maybe less so), than say Rabo or Milram or Lampre or some of the French teams. & just as Garmin started out very ‘American’ & have become less so, I think Sky’ll become progressively less ‘British’. Even if they are sponsored by Marks & Spencer.

"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK

by civetta on Mar 23, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Makes sense.

I wasn’t sure how much they’d acknowledged that reality.

by Ed K on Mar 23, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Levi and Kloden reacted today

Phil must have gotten under their skin with this post. Way to motivate Phil.

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Mar 22, 2010 2:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Wait I said win

and they finished 2nd and 3rd, beaten by a cow. Granted I was sweating it out, a day after my post they couldn’t have won now? Of course TTing will be the Shack’s best terrain.

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by Phil H. on Mar 22, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I bet you were sweating it out.

Would have been crazy timing, huh?, you owe Voss one.

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Mar 22, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Voss being German and on Milram

and most importantly taking away a poorly timed win from the Shack means he is my new hero, ALL HAIL PAUL VOSS!!!

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by Phil H. on Mar 22, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

the cows

just have the shack’s number. First Lance, now levi and kloden. Moooooooo!

by yeehoo on Mar 23, 2010 5:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Craig Lewis is my guy to watch here.

This prologue effort today shows that this local SC boy is coming into his own and is going to get in on the action at Catalunya.

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Mar 22, 2010 3:16 PM EDT reply actions  

AH!... coming down with Seahorses again

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Mar 22, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Steegman getting hurt put a serious crimp in their early season plans

The rest of the team is just a pack full of declining geezers who will win the odd TT here and there and may ride well as a team in July and at the Vuelta, but it’s certainly not as impressive a unit as some of the Discovery or US Postal teams from the 2000’s.

by Fernando on Mar 23, 2010 3:22 PM EDT reply actions  

This same thing could also be written about OmegaPharma-Lotto

seems like they have Silenced their wins this year.

"Cofidis Keukeleire in revelation set off a seat and made the job off." Oh Google translator...

by Vlaanderen90 on Mar 23, 2010 3:27 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Lotto will do OK with Gilbert

He alone should net them a few big victories, the first being Amstel Gold Race. I’m not a huge Jurgen Vandenbroucke fan, he looks better suited to being a supporting lieutenant for a real GC contender like AC or Schleck than someone who has all the responsibility on his shoulders. I guess when it comes to the GC in the big stage races Lotto will just have grin and bear it this year and hopefully pick a rider like Kreuziger next season to replace Cadel.

by Fernando on Mar 23, 2010 3:35 PM EDT reply actions  

but just like with steegmans

if all your eggs (other than TdF eggs) are in one basket, the basket better not get injured. if, god forbid, gilbert were to get hurt, bye bye wins.

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Mar 23, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gilbert being a bigger basket is the whole point.

Gert is injured but all is not lost for the Shack. If Gilbert gets injured…

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Mar 24, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

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