The Valverde Decision
Today comes the news that Valverde’s Caisse d’Epargne team has decided to keep him out of upcoming races until the uncertainty over his status is resolved. What? Now you decide to withdraw him from races? Also, this uncertainty word you use. I got 50 pages of French legalese that says that the undertainty is so, so over. Over like white polyester leisure suit over. Sure the UCI hasn’t made it all official, maybe that’s because they’re too busy asking the sports arbitration court to consider the Ullrich case. Ullrich? Are you kidding me?
No, it seems they are not kidding us. Today the UCI filed an appeal contesting the closure of the case against Ullrich by the Swiss Cycling Federation. The case involved Ullrich’s involvement in Puerto and the Swiss decided last February (Ullrich carried a Swiss license) not to pursue the investigation. Archivio for Ullrich. But Puerto continues to Zombie about among us, and emboldened by the recent decision against Valverde, the UCI wants to use the Valverde decision to force a re-opening of the case against Ullrich.
Ah, yes, the Valverde decision, you’ll be wondering about that, I suppose. I actually read that thing. It was long. And in French. And I nearly fell asleep several times. But I persevered. Which is a good thing, because those arbiters, they got a little crazy and buried in all the boring bits, which were legion, there were some much less boring bits. Let’s take a tour, shall we? We’ll skip the boring bits, and watch the arbiters go all crazy.
(A small warning: This post is long. Really, too long for an internet post. It should be two. Or three. Or maybe none at all. But I’m putting it up all at once anyway. You can divide it into parts. You’re smart people. )
The report starts out with a lovely timeline of the original Puerto investigation. Then, it follows with an equally lovely timeline of the Italian investigation against Valverde. For the most part, the Spanish side of the Puerto summary is familiar ground. It’s worth remembering that the original case could only investigate crimes against public health on the part of the doctors, it could not prosecute athletes for doping. No law against doping existed at that point in Spain. When the Guardia Civile arrested Dr. Fuentes, he had a card in his wallet with Valverde’s name on it. Also, the authorities seized somewhere in the neighborhood of 200 blood bags. I had forgotten just how many blood bags there were. Anywho, in August 2006, the Judge ordered 99 of the blood bags sent to a Lab in Barcelona for storage and analysis. The lab found EPO in 9 bags, including no. 18, linked to Valverde. There, the blood bags remained.
In October, the Judge ruled that the Puerto evidence could not be used for "procedures administratives." This decision got a lot attention at the time, and provided the key basis for the Valverde appeal. Why was it important? Because the decision appeared to rule out the possibility of the cycling federations using the evidence from Puerto to throw down doping sanctions.
At the same time, the Judge did not close the door on requests from criminal authorities for access to the evidence. In October 2006, the Italian authorities requested information pertaining to Ivan Basso, and received access to blood bag no. 2. A DNA comparison matched Basso to the blood bag, despite his efforts to disown his faithful dog Birillo. The Italians followed up with a similar case against Michele Scarponi. At the time, Capodacqua at Sportpro.it tried to explain to us the relationship between the Italian criminal authorites and CONI in these cases. But he proved one of the few to understand its significance. The existence of a criminal law prohibiting doping in Italy and the evidence-sharing laws between the legal authorities and the sporting authorities made it possible for the Italians to pursue the cases first against Basso and Scarponi and later against Valverde. Criminal authorities and Puerto evidence: On this relationship, the entire case turns.
The German legal authorities also requested and received access to the Puerto evidence, including the bloodbag marked Jan no. 1. The German authorities even matched the DNA of Jan Ullrich with the blood bag. But then, the German case stopped dead in its tracks. Why? Because the Germans did not have a law against doping at the time. This may have been why portions of the evidence leaked out to people like Werner Franke and the journalists at the Frankfurter Zeitung, who ran a series of articles based upon their access to the documents. Among their revelations, the alleged meet-up between Dr. Fuentes and Bjarne Riis, Fränk Schleck and Ivan Basso. Anyway, no anti-doping law, no case. At least, for the time being.
In the case of Valverde, the Spanish Federation did not entirely lie down. The RFEC intervened in the case twice. First in February 2008, the Spanish Federation joined an appeal with the UCI and WADA against the decision of the Judge to close the Puerto investigation. The Madrid Court of Appeals rejected the appeal. The Spanish Federation also made a request to the Judge for access to the evidence in 2009 in light of the Italian investigation of Valverde. The Judge rejected this request in April 2009. No Puerto for you.
On to the Italian case against Valverde. Let’s start with the blood sample-DNA matching bit, shall we? After all, no story is complete without a vampire or two. On 21 July 2008, CONI carried out anti-doping controls on several riders as the Tour de France briefly dipped into Italy. In his appeal, Valverde challenged the legitimacy of the test, and argued that the sample could not be used for a case not related to the 2008 Tour. Bzzzt! Wrong again, Señor. At the time of the test, Valverde signed a waiver, which granted CONI the right to use the sample "without limits" in conformence with the anti-doping rules. The form also warned Valverde that he could be sanctioned for "any violation of the charter of the organization," in this case CONI. Valverde signed the wee slip of paper, and voilà, gave up his right to challenge CONI’s use of the sample in doping procedures against him. Beware of men bearing forms. The chain of custody paperwork, meanwhile, showed that the sample travelled same day by courier to the anti-doping lab in Rome.
In November 2008, CONI sent a letter to the Judge demanding evidence in relation to Valverde, on the basis of the "commission rogatoire," er fancy legal permission slip, created in the Basso case. The Procura in Roma <---- Very Important Criminal Authority. The Procura in Roma initialed the letter from CONI to the effect that he had authorized everything in the letter. Two days later, CONI sent another letter clarifying the role of the criminal authorities. The Procura also nominated several officials to examine blood bag no. 18 in Barcelona, where it still sat snug in its refrigerated bed.
Not so fast, Signor Procura guy. On 27 November, a Spanish diplomatic official, the legal liason, informed CONI and the Procura that the Spanish Judge had received their letter and had decided that the case required a new "commission rogatoire." The Judge sent the Italian request on to the Spanish Public Minister for advice. Unlike the cases of Basso and Scarponi, the Italians now intended to investigate a Spanish citizen. This prompted the Judge’s request for advice. Meanwhile, in Italy, the Procura directed the Italian police to take the samples from the 2008 Tour into custody (they stayed in the Rome lab, but they now came under police authority.)
In January came word from the legal liason that the Spanish Judge had granted the necessary permission for the Italian criminal authorities to examine blood bag no. 18. A team of Italian police officers (special judiciary police, not dudes off the street) departed for Barcelona to take samples from the blood bags held in Spanish custody. (According to other reports, the Italians have samples from more than just blood bag no. 18. No doubt a story for another day) Back in Rome, the forensics people conducted the DNA test between the evidence brought back from Barcelona and the Tour de France samples, still held in police custody.
The investigators positively identified blood bag no. 18 as matching the blood sample whose numbers corresponded to Valverde (CONI provided the necessary paperwork to match the coded sample with Valverde’s name). The analysis showed a match of 16 genetic markers, which is considered above the levels necessary for identification in criminal procedure. Though Valverde argued in his appeal that the DNA test had violated his right to privacy, Italian law does not require permission to conduct a DNA test in the course of a criminal investigation. After receiving confirmation from the police investigators of the match between the samples, CONI opened an anti-doping case against Valverde in February 2009. The criminal authorites (NAS) also notified Valverde (informazione di garanzia) that he was subject to a criminal investigation opened by the Procura in Roma.
The DNA match provided the strongest evidence in the anti-doping case brought against Valverde by CONI. The Italian anti-doping authorities had forensic proof in the form of a DNA match that the blood bag, which contained EPO, belonged to Valverde. The storing of the blood bag (transfusion is a banned method) and the presence of EPO (a banned substance) violated Italian anti-doping rules and the WADA code. CONI also received testimony from Jesús Manzano, a former Kelme team-mate, who testified that contrary to his denials, Valverde had known and worked with Dr. Fuentes. Manzano also described the doping procedures at Kelme. Shorter: Everyone doped on the team.
Because Valverde had competed in races in Italy, the Italian authorities asserted that they could ban him from racing in Italy, where doping is prohibited under both criminal law and sporting rules, despite his Spanish license. Italian anti-doping rules adopted in 2005 and 2006 asserted its authority over athletes "non affiliés," or athletes who are not licensed in Italy. In a 2008 case, TAS upheld the right of CONI to sanction "non affiliés," but limited that authority to within Italian borders. CONI could only ban Valverde from racing in Italy; it could not ban him from racing internationally. In its decision on the Valverde case, the arbitration court quickly dispensed with Valverde’s challenge to CONI’s authority. Within Italian borders, CONI could sanction foreign athletes and prevent them from competing in Italy.
But what about the UCI? The UCI and WADA both joined the fun by filing briefs in support of CONI in the current case. The UCI woke up and went all hard core: The UCI called upon the arbitrators to reject Valverde’s appeal, extend his sanction worldwide, and disqualify all his results since May 2004. My head spins at the thought of revising results for all races where Valverde received a result since 2004. Spins, I tell ya. The court decided this demand was far too much to consider and dismissed the UCI. TAS to UCI: Prosecute your own case, then we’ll talk to you. Now, go sit in the corner.
Still there? Right, we’re nearly done. In February 2009, the Valverde case took a strange turn. A Madrid magistrate issued a ruling prohibiting the use of the Puerto evidence in further investigations. On the face of it, this ruling appeared to prevent both CONI and the Procura in Rome from pursuing their case against Valverde. The Spanish decision also asserted that CONI did not have standing to use the evidence, because the organization was not part of the Italian legal system. (See this post and comments, for more on the 2009 Spanish ruling.) Valverde’s legal team so loved this decision, and indeed, it proved central to Valverde’s challenge to the Italian sanction.
Again, the arbiters dismissed Valverde’s objections. First, they dismissed the Ordinance of Revocation on the basis of territoriality, a fundamental principle of international law. Briefly, this principal means that the Italian government is not bound by the actions of the Spanish judiciary. By February 2009, the Italian criminal justice system already had the evidence relevant to the case in their possession. Consequently, the Spanish judge could no longer control the evidence or force the Italians to discard it, because he did not have authority over the Italian governement or its agents. In short, the Ordinance of Revocation came too late in the game to influence the case. The horse had bolted; too late to close the barn door.
Second, even if the Spanish Ordinance had proven valid in relation to the Italian case against Valverde, the Arbitration Court is not bound by "decisions taken by any other jurisdictional body." The rules of admissable evidence are extraordinarily loose at TAS, and the panel of arbiters "is not bound by rules of evidence and may inform itself in such a manner as the arbiters think fit." The Arbitration Court set the precedent for using the Puerto evidence to inform their decisions in 2006. Since the Spanish Judge has no authority over the arbirtration court, he could not block it from considering the evidence presented from the investigation. See the connection to the UCI appeal on Ullrich now? Because the arbitration court is not bound by the rulings of the Spanish judiciary, the UCI is asking the court to use the evidence to force the Swiss federation to sanction Ullrich. The UCI has a similar case pending against the Spanish federation in regards to Valverde. We’ll see what the arbiters have to say to all that.
But back to this Ordinance of Revocation. There was a big problem with the Ordinance, which we here at the Cafe proved quick to spot. It addressed CONI, not the Italian criminal authorities. In a nice bit of understatement, the arbitration court noted: "The Ordinance of Revocation is based on interpretations of facts and law that are incorrect," writes the Court. The failure to account for the involvement the Italian criminal justice system rendered the Spanish decision invalid, the arbiters assert. From the start, the involvement of the Italian criminal authorities was crucial to the case against Valverde. The transfer of the evidence followed international law, and left little in the way of openings for Valverde’s lawyers, who I almost - not quite, but almost - felt sorry for by the time finished reading the decision.
Of course, Valverde can still appeal the arbitration decision in Swiss courts, if he wants. However, the arbiters also noted that Swiss law does not automatically disqualify evidence acquired through illicit means. Also, the Swiss court is no more ruled by the Spanish judiciary than the Italians are. Territoriality, baby. So an appeal resting on the Ordinance of Revocation will probably only cost Valverde a lot of money. It probably won’t overturn the previous decisions in the case.
Okay. My work is done here. If you have questions about any specific aspects of the case - or you want to know what something in the decision means - ask it up in the comments. After all, I got 50 pages of French legalese here...
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Here are the most important links:
http://www.podiumcafe.com/2010/1/15/1253258/valverde-hearing-complete-decision
http://www.podiumcafe.com/2010/1/11/1245604/valverde-case-update-arbitration
http://www.podiumcafe.com/2009/7/30/969328/the-ricco-case-takes-a-strange
http://www.podiumcafe.com/2009/4/2/819839/update-on-the-valverde-case-the
http://www.podiumcafe.com/2009/2/18/762667/valverde-update-spanish-co
http://www.podiumcafe.com/2009/2/12/757313/operation-puerto-more-on-t
http://www.podiumcafe.com/2009/2/11/756057/coni-opens-investigation-o
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by Jen See on Mar 26, 2010 10:40 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
finished it
amazing work gav.
But you know what? After that long time and the thinking of review all results including Valverde since 2004 I almost, almost (but not quite there yet) start to think that they should have a kind of “Amnistia” or parole at least: you are free to race, but if you look at a blood bag or an aspirin(whatever) you will be banned for life and your name erased from the history of cycling.
I know it is not fair. Just a random feeling/though crossing my mind.
"Racing bikes is for the kids, the rest of us just want to feel like kids on our bikes" - Flying Dog
totally understandable
Me, I think removing results since 2004 is a bit much, myself, though now that I understand the case better, I can see how the UCI had little choice but to delay. They aren’t criminal authorities, and consequently, their ability to challenge the judicial authorities in Spain was less clear, if not non-existent.
Oh *this* is an excellent point...
…that hadn’t occurred to me yet, probably because my brain was fried from grading when I read this the fist time. No actually, just b/c gav’s way more on top of this than I am. Nevermind.
No No No

You can’t be saying that this is over.
"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton
Shut up or else

I’ll make this my new avatar
"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton
So, in short
This whole ordeal has taught us that guilt is extremely subjective because the sport is so highly bureaucratic. Its always gotta be a fight over who has the right to test to use evidence, then when the police get involved and seperate countries try to use their law to intervene, we get into the problem of trying to corroborate differing laws and differing viewpoints/agendas. But, when all is said and done and we pile through the crazy amount or legal and technical drama (kudos to gav for wrting it all out so thoroughly, excellent review) Piti violated WADA rule, regardless of how it came about, and now the UCI HAS to act. We’ve gotten into much discussion about the rights and wrongs of Puerto, the drama, the fairness of it all, but in the end (of this case, not Puerto, that is a dark cloud that loves to loom) this is another in a long line of doping violations, despicable in a sporting sense, and needs to be treated accordingly. Bye, bye Valverde, see ya in two years…oh and btw, PLEASE confess already, it will help your future cause.
The long or short of it, both are good
as long as he does his time.
"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton
agl, your summary is helpful.
I finished it but now my head is spinning.
by brunopitton on Mar 26, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry bout that
perhaps i should provide a briefer summary, so here i go:
he’s guilty, he needs to be suspended, there should be no more fighting facts.
Zoikers Scobby..
That’s alot of readin n ritin’. Well done.
by Christopher See on Mar 26, 2010 11:05 PM EDT reply actions
Absorbing reading, gav.
Thanks for putting it all together.
I maybe don't always realize just how big some races are--Edvald Boasson Hagen, still fucking with the journalists
Wish I hadn't already started drinking when I read this...
But Valverde getting his comeuppance is worth the whole bottle.
I had considered myself underinformed about Valverde's case
so this helps. Question: if in Italy doping can result in criminal charges, and not everywhere, why do quite a few Italian (conti) teams appear suspect?
good question. I have often wondered that myself. Will Di Luca got to prison?
"Awesome! is more about what gets fans excited than what’s harder to do." - Chris...
by ZoeRochelle on Mar 27, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
depends
There was talk – though never confirmed – that the threat of criminal charges helped speed the cases of both Scarponi and Basso. That is, that they confessed as part of a deal that dropped the criminal charges and threw them the sporting sanction. Again, never confirmed.
Rabellin is currently part of a criminal investigation in Padova. And Di Luca could be charged with sporting fraud under Italian law, if the prosecutor chooses to bring a case.
Very interesting
I wonder what kind of sentence would be handed down if one of these guys ever gets convicted under the criminal law.
Thanks for this post, btw, nice to have all the interesting bits spelled out in one place. And that news about Ullrich. Oy, it’ll be interesting to see where that goes.
there's two laws
Doping in sports and sporting fraud are both criminal offenses in Italy. As I recall, the penalties are fines and jail terms in the 1-3 year range, but could be wrong…
And don't forget too
that on the day of his hearing before CONI last year, Valverde was also served with some sort of official notice that he was under criminal investigation for the same offence. I’ve not heard anything about how that is developing.
Before I even start reading...
…I just want to say that I am so looking forward to this.
am I biased / unfair if I applaud this...
…but don’t really want to open up Jan again? I tell myself it’s legal fatigue, not a double standard, and also that Ullrich’s now firmly in the past. But maybe I don’t like looking where that link leads.
Yeah
me neither. His guilt is obvious, but unless those bags are from 1997, I say, who cares? He left, what sanction would you issue?
"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen
by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 26, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
he is very wealthy
when they start handing out fines as a % of wealth….. and the Swiss are very good at this …. see the recent case where a serial speeder (car) got a fine of of a few hundred thousand francs.
Moo
I think the issue might be to keep him out of team management
He has mumbled about this in the past and maybe they want to avoid potential future hassle and image problems related to his return to the sport?
I know
and I’m thinking that they probably can’t do much about those but if they ever want to try and start off with a clean slate they might try stuff like that. A high profile case like Ullrich fits the bill perfectly in the UCI mold. Big bruhaha for very small results in reality.
well what about Riis? Admited doper and implicated above as visiting with frank...
by JustJoshinYa on Mar 27, 2010 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions
But they can't do anything legally
Riis did the dirty before the Wada code and the 8 year statute of limitations. Ullrichs offense is fair game legally.
good god
“Here’s your offseason program, young cyclist: lots of television and chocolate.”
I think the management bar is self-executing.
"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen
by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 27, 2010 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah
I’d be happy to let that dog lie, too. Guess they’re after the precedent, though I’m not quite sure for what.
That's the interesting question, isn't it.
I keep thinking this has major implications, but I’m trying to figure out what they would be.
Adding.
I think the UCI may be trying to strengthen their hand in relation to the national federations here. They have two cases before TAS – the Spanish federation in re Valverde and the Swiss federation in re Ullrich – where they are appealing the lack of action by the federations. So, I think they’re looking for a decision from TAS that will give them more leverage to pressure the federations to enforce the doping rules.
That’s all I got.
That's not bad....
…if they don’t watch out, they might not continue to be an embarrassment (well, they’d have to figure out what to do with track racing and women’s racing and a few other things, so maybe we’re safe there after all, but still).
but is it really helping the sport we love,
by continuing to go back in time to drag these things up again? Whilst I think going after a rider that is still riding is a good idea, I’m not so sure that bringing up the Ullrich thing is in the same league – it could (and probably will) get very messy….just my thoughts
"If winning isn't everything, then why do they keep score?" Unknown
Yes. It is.
Of course, HOW they are “dragged up” makes a big difference.
Just because something might get messy only means that there’s a big mess.
And . . . that mess might need to be cleaned up.
Or . . .
It will keep re-appearing.
To do otherwise is sorta like trying to treat a faulty sewage system by spraying Febreze all over your house.
Sunshine is the best disinfectant
And I totally agree with your first comment. They need to dig up the dirt around Jan because things will not change in a fundamental way unless they root out the bad actors and kick the lazy national federations in the pills and make them take action. And there is a story behind that Febreze comment. Probably a stinky story.
I buy that.
Depending how they handle it. If it’s to set precedent they really only need to count coup, they don’t need to take him down hard.
seriously
leave it alone. That’s over, the end, no one really has any question about it, etc.
(Tho’, really, I can think of one conviction I’d be willing to trade Jan’s peaceful life for . . .)
ELPMO
"Awesome! is more about what gets fans excited than what’s harder to do." - Chris...
by ZoeRochelle on Mar 27, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree about Jan. Yesterday though I read an article saying
that his case may be reopened, which all seems futile, yet rather ominous to me.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Thanks for this, Gavia.
I’ve long ago lost my anger at dopers, but I don’t like it when they dodge the bullets that come their way when still racing.
It’s a pity that none of the UCI, IOC, television networks, riders, teams or many fans seem prepared to allow an amnesty in exchange for complete and unalloyed confessions regarding pre-Passport offences. That would shine a light many would prefer never be seen.
by Runitout on Mar 26, 2010 11:44 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
This is amazing
The basic facts for us, assuming our opinions are not subject to Spanish law, is fairly convincing. After that, while I respect procedure, here I think it’s someone else’s problem.
That said, the procedural precedent is highly interesting, or would be if it were repeatable. But will the Spanish authorities accede to criminal investigations in other countries in more cases? Will they work with CONI again? Or does this later decision kneecap the precedent as far as Spanish cooperation goes?
Lastly, don’t feel sorry for Valverde’s lawyers, they made you read this thing. Great work!
"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen
by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 26, 2010 11:49 PM EDT reply actions
The decision
really shows that the Valverde legal team had nothing.
On the issue of repeatability…. We’d have to know the diplomatic agreements on evidence sharing that exist between Italy and Spain. I suspect – though I don’t know – that both countries are bound by treaty to share evidence in criminal cases, or at least, each would consider it an Incident if such a request were refused. It’s a bit like extradition. Most of the time, you don’t get refusals on things like this between countries with good relations.
As a side note, I felt like a dumbass for missing the territoriality issue. Bah! I used to study diplomacy. I really should have known that…
IOW
they are cooperating until they aren’t anymore. Treaties are just forms if you don’t have cooperation in your heart. Maybe the judge in Spain was a nut. Do they elect judges there? #worstideaever
"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen
by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 27, 2010 3:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Treaties over co-operation between EU countries are very wide ranging
certainly over criminal matters. But aside from the blood bags themselves, all the Puerto documentation was sent out to quite a few countries and organisations before the Spanish started to get awkward. That’s over 6,000 pages of stuff from “training plans” right through to notes scribbled on the back of menus and the like.
Yep
I assumed the European Union included treaties dealing with cooperation and evidence sharing in criminal cases. That makes sense to me – I just didn’t know for sure.
On Chris’s point, yes and no. It’s sort of a big deal to refuse cooperation in a case like this between two countries with close relations. You usually wouldn’t refuse unless it was really really really important. Like, the issue of Swiss banking secrecy and American tax dodging, which came up not too long ago.
And yes, the UCI and WADA both have copies of the documentary evidence.
I don't know how all that stuff changes with changes in EU law
A lot of the reciprocity and cooperation would not have been possible in the past, either, would it? So it’s easy to assume that a ban could also pass state boundaries. But I guess if that were so, every county’s courts would just be “EU courts,” and they aren’t.
I just started following this sport last year...
…but here is what I have gleaned so far.
1. Everyone used to dope.
2. Operation Puerto exposed this fact publicly
3. UCI insists on pursuing cases against particular individuals even though pretty much everyone doped at the time.
I am not condoning doping. But if everyone doped, why would you spend all this money and time pursuing one athlete when you know hundreds of athletes committed the same offense. Again, I’m new to following this sport, but I am shocked a general amnesty wasn’t issued. This seems like a vendetta by bureaucrats instead of a sensible policy to prevent future doping.
by lieutenantmudd on Mar 27, 2010 12:02 AM EDT reply actions
Well...
This case was brought by the Italian criminal and anti-doping authorities, after they already brought cases from the same evidence against Ivan Basso and Michele Scarponi. They evidence linked to other riders, too. Betcha there will be more than one rider before too long….
You mentioned 200 bags, but only 99 stored...
Any indication what happened to the other 101? Isn’t storing alone a doping offence?
by JustJoshinYa on Mar 27, 2010 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions
That's why they want to wipe out all his results back to 2004
presumably there’s some documentation on Valverde storing blood from that time. Yes, just storing is a doping offence.
The fate of the other blood bags is so far unknown publicly. Although Capodacqua wrote a piece quite a while back based on interviews with the Spanish police who carried out the initial raid, and they were upset about what had happened since.
this is 200 bags of all sorts of people, right? Other cyclists, footballers, etc...recall they said even tennis players.
by JustJoshinYa on Mar 27, 2010 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Le Monde conducted an interview soon afterwards
with Fuentes in his Canaries office when he said something similar. Then the Spanish footy clubs sued it for defamation in the Spanish courts and won. I’m not sure how seriously the French bothered to defend their case and how much the published piece was on or off the record. Since then Fuents has been quiet. I’m just waiting for someone to leak the full set of documents they seized from him.
I dread the day
that they leak the full documents, only because I’ll probably be tempted to read them. Heh.
And yes, what Monty said: Not just cyclists, we don’t know about the other blood bags. But there was a report that the Italians have samples from sports other than cycling. No confirmed, though.
no real disagreement there.
[and, what Gav said.]
"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen
by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 27, 2010 3:28 AM EDT up reply actions
No
There’s been a general European wide crackdown recently. The Germans bust a clinic in Freiburg that T-Mobile used to use, the Austrians should soon be opening a trial into what went on at Humanplasma, plus they have the mini ring that Kohl’s manager was setting up, the Italians tried Ferrari a few years ago, only to run out of time in the courts (Ferrari has moved to Switzerland in recent years and claims to be just involved in training athletes now, but his reputation is so bad that just admitting to being working with him is likely to give rise to lots of knowing looks, extra attantion from the testers and mountains of snark from the Internet Forum People), but they have another case ongoing against Santuccione. France has been pretty clean since Festina and the introduction of criminal offences of doping. Read up on David Millar’s nights in a French jail to see why riders aren’t so tempted. There is another criminal case ongoing in North America involving a doctor who treated Tiger Woods among others, though I don’t think that any US cyclists could afford to use him. Some did use Joe Papp, though, the 187 people who bought just the drugs through his Eposino website and presumably tried to make up a training plan for themselves by reading internet forums and the like. There are rumours of dodgy goings on in Serbia, and I remeber reading in the past of people making car trips from Italy which suggest that maybe they didn’t even get that far off Italian soil. If this is a vendetta then it’s a pretty wide ranging one. And don’t forget those other forty bags that CONI now have samples from.
by Monty. on Mar 27, 2010 5:07 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What he said.
In particular, there seems to be a consensus to go after the traffickers and the dirty doctors.
It's not the first crackdown... but others failed to change the culture, in part due to a lack of follow-through.
The others were incomplete / half-assed in various ways. They did not serve to deter in part because people knew that if they used something for which there was currently no test, and thereby escaped a certain statute of limitations, they were off scott free. It pushed people to use “the newest thing,” and sometimes, they died as a result. Thus the current dogged insistence on retroactive prosecution. It at least discourages riders from using large doses of “the newest thing.” We try not to point fingers at any particular deaths, because some (or even all) could be the simple, non-doping-related tragedies they’re claimed to be (as opposed to doping-related tragedies, which are tragic in a more complex way). But for sure we can say that there seem to be fewer young riders randomly ending up dead in bed, or dead through burst blood vessels. To that degree, at least, the deterrent seems to be working, which is reason enough to prosecute the heck out of those riders who have not come clean about past activities, if there’s hard evidence. I can’t prove it, but I presume the prosecutions are more intense if there’s strong suspicion in the peloton that a certain rider or team might have continued to “juice” longer than other riders / teams.
Well I didn't read all of that
but hey scimming has made me the average student so it works. First let me say, it’s about time the UCI leave Jan alone. He is just chilling in Deutschland eating his schnitzel and strudel and doing no harm, let the man get fat and enjoy life! AV can start his reconnaissance for the 2012 Tour now, early rumors say that there will be mountains involved and some TTing.
Proud member of Thuggetz nation.
This was great work, Gavia.
I will be sending to many friends (so we can at least have a common reference point during our doping fights).
~
The complications introduced by criminalisation seem so unnecessary. But then, I suppose that’s because I think criminalisation is really unnecessary.
Cue Peter Tosh
Legalize it…
"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen
by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 27, 2010 3:28 AM EDT up reply actions
not exactly
I mean, I’m open to that approach (legalizing it), but what I really mean – what I’m quite behind, actually – is that doping should be a violation of contract and not a criminal affair.
The big advantage
is that you can conduct a proper investigation and not get out-lawyered so easily.
Violation of contract IS a criminal affair
How else could you enforce it?
Anyway, this case shows how important criminalisation is. If Italy hadn’t had anti-doping laws, and if their police and judiciary hadn’t been willing to get involved, Valverde could had hid behind the Spanish judge.
When, as seems to be the case here, you’ve got the legal authorities in one country determined to protect cheaters from that country by any means, the only thing that can bring justice is involving the legal authorities of another country. If it’s just company vs country, or sporting federation vs country, the country of origin will always win.
No
Violation of contract IS a criminal affair
Incorrect. It’s a breach of an agreement between the parties. And, to simplify things, the party that is upset about that can seek remedy in civil court. Nothing criminal about it.
Anyway, this case shows how important criminalisation is. If Italy hadn’t had anti-doping laws, and if their police and judiciary hadn’t been willing to get involved, Valverde could had hid behind the Spanish judge.
Or, if it weren’t criminalised, there may not ever have been a judge to hide behind. UCI/teams/WADA could set up any sort of anti-doping scheme they want, by contract. And exclude this silliness of getting the police and everyone else involved. I’d far rather take my chances with a rotating arbitration panel than some homer judge.
On the other hand
No national fed or body would have been able to make a raid like Puerto. Had they knocked on Fuentes door he could have politely told them to go away…
by thebongolian on Mar 27, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, good point there
The sports authorities don’t really have the ability to seize evidence this way. They are limited to doping controls, which are, well, limited.
easily fixed by contract
All riders will go to doctors that have agreed to UCI rules/inspection procedures (which would require Dr. Fuentes to open up like his putative patients). If a rider doesn’t use a doctor who agrees to these rules (say, in the case of a medical emergency), it’s an automatic offense, unless it is explained (hey, it was an emergency). This particular agreement would look a lot like a modern health insurance agreement, now that i think about it.
not sure it's realistic to expect riders and doctors to sign up to that
sounds rather draconian and sure there are rules around stuff like patient confidentiality that would make it hard to enforce…
UCI: Doctor X we think you are doping cyclist Y we want to see his records
Doctor X: No I’m not
UCI: Prove it
Doctor X: Bugger off – I don’t have to show you anything
UCI: But we’ve seen him visiting you
Doctor X: He’s a friend of mine
Unless I’ve missed something not sure how this could be got round.
by thebongolian on Mar 28, 2010 6:25 AM EDT up reply actions
criminalization
Or, isation, whatevs.
On the face of it, I’d agree that it seems a bit over the top to criminalize doping in sports. Your point about it being a contract violation makes quite a lot of sense. Howevs, in practice, the Italian approach seems to be to use the threat of criminal prosecution to get information from the riders, which the authorities then use to prosecute the dealers and doctors. Basso, for ex., gave 20 pages of sealed testimony – no idea what is in that 20 pages, unfortunately. They did arrest a dude at the time, who was apparently a dealer/courier, no idea what happened there. Sella also gave information that proved significant in breaking open the case in Padova against Dr. Lazarro. In these italian cases, we’re seeing most of the riders giving evidence, maybe getting shortened bans, and not seeing criminal charges. Then, the authorities are going after the dealers and trying to build cases against the doctors. If this is the approach, yeah, I can support criminalization. I can’t say I have much support for locking up bike racers for using EPO, though, really.
I like it when other countries, specifically European countries, criminalize it
and use it as a bargaining chip, but criminalizing it here in the US would feed into our mandatory sentencing insanity and dopers would end up doing time, which would be ridiculous.
Thank you Gavia. This was a big undertaking for you. Is there no surf?
Either way, I appreciate your time, talent and energy you put into this.
"Awesome! is more about what gets fans excited than what’s harder to do." - Chris...
Ha!
Not today there wasn’t. Also, I read fast. Which is good, cuz otherwise, this would have sucked monkey toes.
Thanks for my Saturday am reading
very well laid out.
In summary, it seems VV was guilty as sin, and his only defense strategy was to pray for bureaucracy, and inter-agency (& international) rivalries to obscure the truth.
His cunning strategy almost worked.
Moo
Pretty much
Though I would say reading the decision, that his strategy really had almost no hope of working. The arbiters pretty much destroyed his appeal. It was amusing as these things go.
It's also interesting seeing the difference
between what Valverde says in public and to the press, and what he says to the court. He’s talked before about how he’s willing to give a DNA sample, but he wants it to be tested in an “independent” lab, but his lawyer spent time arguing over how examination of his blood was an invasion of his privacy, and, believe it or not, how examination and DNA testing of blood bag 18 was also a violation of his privacy. Actually, that is the entire substance of his “Privacy” case. Remeber that if he appeals.
And his lawyer clearly tries to claim that 18 actually refers to Angel Vicioso (para 174 if you want to try the French), only to have it rejected by TAS, so I’m not quite sure I understand what he was trying to deny earlier this week. “I didn’t grass him up; my lawyer did it”? But then he can’t even get the Piti cover story straight.
Nice summary, and bravo for taking it on.
And the dog reappears
LOL, yeah, he tries for the “that blood bag isn’t mine” argument, and also tries the “I’ve never had a dog named Piti” claim again. And right: “The documents in the Puerto dossier demonstrated that the athlete no. 18 was not Valverde, but instead Angelo Vicioso.”
The arbiters pretty much totally destroyed the privacy claim both on the grounds of the eight year rule for conserving samples and on the grounds of criminal procedure. If you’re a suspect in a crime, the police don’t have to notify you that they’re doing a DNA test. That one amused me.
This is not my dog. He is just a friend.

And his name isn’t Piti. It’s Rover.
I maybe don't always realize just how big some races are--Edvald Boasson Hagen, still fucking with the journalists
Ullrich’s punishment is ongoing.In Germany his reputation and name is shot. In the end he disappeared from public view to look at his slowly dwindling money pile.
Let him be.
A list
My head spins at the thought of revising results for all races where Valverde received a result since 2004.
I’ve made a list of all the races he won since 01/05/2004 and the ‘new’ winners behind them. Bit long for here so I’ve put them in this thread: http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=6589
that's a big opening salvo... well done and welcome.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Thanks for that.
Suggestion—link to the post, not the thread. Had to go through six pages to find it.
I maybe don't always realize just how big some races are--Edvald Boasson Hagen, still fucking with the journalists
Yeah, same here.
Also, doesn’t seem too long! Thanks for compiling the list:
2004:
Vuelta a Castilla y Leon, Stage 4 : Leon – Alto del Morredero – K. Gil
Vuelta a Castilla y Leon, Stage 5 : Ponferrada – Villafranca del Bierzo – M. Perdiguero
Vuelta a Burgos, Stage 1 : Burgos – Poza de la Sal – D. Menchov
Vuelta a Burgos, Stage 2 : Lerma – Aranda de Duero – A. Usov
Vuelta a Burgos, Stage 3 : Areniscas de los Pinares – Lag. De Neila – D. Menchov
Vuelta a Burgos – D. Menchov
Vuelta a España, Stage 3 : Burgos – Soria – S. O’Grady
2005:
Trofeo Manacor – R. Mutsaars
Trofeo Soller – R. Serrano
Paris – Nice, Stage 7 : Nice – Nice – F. Pellizotti
Vuelta al Pais Vasco, Stage 3 : Ortuella – Gasteiz – G. Lombardi
Vuelta al Pais Vasco, Stage 4 : Gasteiz – Altsasu – D. Di Luca
Tour de France, Stage 10 : Grenoble – Courchevel – L. Armstrong
2006:
Vuelta a Murcia – Costa Calida, Stage 2 : Alcantarilla – Alhama de Murcia – A. Vicioso
Vuelta al Pais Vasco, Stage 1 : Irun – Irun – O. Freire
Vuelta al Pais Vasco, Points classification – S. Sanchez
Flèche Wallonne – S. Sanchez
Liège – Bastogne – Liège – P. Bettini
Tour de Romandie, Stage 4 : Sion – Sion – A. Moos
Tour de Romandie, Points classification – C. Evans
Vuelta a España, Stage 7 : Leon – Alto de El Morredero – C. Sastre
2007:
Volta a la Comunitat Valenciana – T. Valjavec
Vuelta a Murcia – Costa Calida, Stage 4 : Alhama de Murcia – Aledo I.T.T. – J. Gomez Marchante
Vuelta a Murcia – Costa Calida – A. Vicioso
Clasica a Alcobendas y Collado Villalba, Stage 3 : Alcobendas I.T.T. – F. Perez
Vuelta a Burgos, Stage 4 : Ribera del Cuero I.T.T. – M. Ignatiev
2008:
Vuelta a Murcia – Costa Calida, Stage 4 : Alhama de Murcia – Aledo I.T.T. – S. Garzelli
Vuelta a Murcia – Costa Calida – S. Garzelli
Paris – Camembert Lepetit – J. Pineau
Liège – Bastogne – Liège – D. Rebellin
Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré, Stage 1 : Avignon – Privas – T. Hushovd
Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré, Stage 3 : Saint-Paul-en-Jarez I.T.T. – L. Leipheimer
Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré – C. Evans
Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré, Points classification – L. Leipheimer
National Championships Spain (Talavera de la Reina) R.R. – O. Sevilla
Tour de France, Stage 1 : Brest – Plumelec – P. Gilbert
Tour de France, Stage 6 : Aigurande – Super Besse – C. Evans
Clasica San Sebastian – San Sebastian – A. Kolobnev
Vuelta a España, Stage 2 : Granada – Jaen – D. Rebellin
2009:
Vuelta a Castilla y Leon, Stage 3 : Sahagun – Puerto de San Isidro – R. Plaza
Vuelta a Castilla y Leon, Stage 5 : Benavente – Valladolid – J. Rojas
Klasika Primavera Amorebieta – E. Martinez
Volta a Catalunya, Stage 3 : Roses – La Pobla de Lillet – D. De La Fuente
Volta a Catalunya – D. Martin
Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré – C. Evans
Vuelta a Burgos – X. Tondo
Vuelta a España – S. Sanchez
2010:
Tour Méditerranéen – R. Nocentini
Interesting 2nd places in a couple places...
Menchov gets a few wins (reminds me of Roberto Heras all over again – it was Heras, right?).
Betini would take another classic…
Nice – Rebellin wins liege! That dude’s clean - oops…
Wonder how bad this is going to be for last year’s VDS? Wow, that’s some serious admin work…
by JustJoshinYa on Mar 27, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions
VDS results stand once the season is over.
I maybe don't always realize just how big some races are--Edvald Boasson Hagen, still fucking with the journalists
Interesting
Evans picks up several wins.
It would be interesting to know who lost the most results from Valverde.
stripping wins is fine
but the idea of bumping up the rest of the placings just makes it a joke, I think.
Nice work, but even that raises questions of its own
2005:
Vuelta al Pais Vasco, Stage 4 : Gasteiz – Altsasu – D. Di Luca
Well, maybe. Was that around the time of Oil for drugs?
2006:
Vuelta a Murcia – Costa Calida, Stage 2 : Alcantarilla – Alhama de Murcia – A. Vicioso
2007:
Vuelta a Murcia – Costa Calida – A. Vicioso
aka blood bag no 16, as Valverde’s lawyers pointed out to TAS. Well actually they tried to suggest that he wwas bag 18, but TAS didn’t let them get away with it.
2008:
Liège – Bastogne – Liège – D. Rebellin
Vuelta a España, Stage 2 : Granada – Jaen – D. Rebellin
The last of those was pretty hot on the heels of his Olympics bust
Most races would have ended differently without Valverde in the action. Just giving the prize to #2 is a bit strange. Take last years Dauphine for example.
And one more from CN forum
whoever came up with this regarding the reflocking of Valverde deserves some sort of genius award
by Monty. on Mar 27, 2010 7:20 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for the writeup.
Not uplifting – actually a bit depressing, but not terribly surprising. I tend to agree with others that simply voiding results is kinda crazy to me. The dude’s gotta just admit to this, take his suspension, and get out of the way.
All of the excuses are getting ridiculous (“not my blood in the bag”, “oh that bag – isn’t that his”, “you’re not my jurisdiction”, etc)…but, not sure that voiding results from 2004 on is the right thing. If ya do that, we might as well pretend the whole decade didn’t happen because it seems everyone was juiced.
First of all
Thanks for this post, very informative.
Secondly, thanks for making me image google “white polyester leisure suit”. I will probably never forgive you.
Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.
You owe him nothing
Someone from the country inflicting ABBA on the world complains about white polyester leisure suits? Ha.
Huh?
I have no idea what you’re talking about.

Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.
by TheFigurehead on Mar 28, 2010 3:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Arghhh, my eyes!
Jens, I will pay you your weight in bacon if you find TheFigurehead and make him TheFigureheadless.
Thank you for an excellent read
And not that long, either.
Anyway, two things.
On amnesties: how could this possibly work? We trundle along through the decades… oh, everyone was near-lethally high on amphetamines? Well, that’s in the past now, let’s have an amnesty. Cycling’s clean now! Some time later: woah, Festina. Not good! Still, we now know that everyone was doping in that era, so let’s move on. What, Puerto!? OK, so it turns out everyone was doping in THAT era, too, so let’s have a clean slate from this point on. Amnesty for pre-Puerto doping, because everyone was doing it, but hard punishments from now on!
OK, so now we’ve got the Passport and we’ve discovered CERA and we’ve cracked some old drug rings… so, OK, maybe people didn’t actually stop after Puerto. But come on, we can’t prosecute everyone from that tainted era, can we? Let’s call a general amnesty for pre-Passport offences, but crack down hard from now on.
Great system, no? We can constantly move on, all the time. Presumably in 2015 we’ll be looking back and saying “But Contador’s retired voluntarily now, so even if we know he was doping in 2010, that was a long time ago in a tainted era, and most of his competitors were doping too, so let’s just move on. After all, everyone’s clean since the Whateverit’llbecallednexttime Affair.” [Not making any legal accusation against Contador specifically, of course, just picking out the big name of the era.] If we keep on “moving on” and handing out “blank slates”, then no dopers will ever face any sanction, save for the unfortunate few who happen to be the first in each new wave of discoveries.
In that case, the objective for dopers shifts from “never get caught” to “don’t be legally proven to have been caught until the public has become bored from hearing about your competitors getting caught” – they don’t have to run faster than the lions, they just have to run faster than their rivals. Which, let’s face it, is pretty easy. I mean, Puerto got 200 blood bags, it’s only the really unlucky ones who happened to get caught, and the immensely unlucky handful who happened to be among the first to get prosecuted.
I know we can never (short of introducing a death penalty) make the threat “never get caught”, but the closer we can get to that, and away from “don’t get caught just yet”, the more of a deterrant there is. With continual amnesties, there is no deterrant at all.
Secondly, on the Spanish: is there a hint here of any reason for the actions of the Spanish judiciary other than corruption/nationalism? And might there be any way for sporting federations to prosecute the Spanish under EU law? After all, prohibiting the federations from enforcing their own rules by concealing evidence regarding riders of certain nationalities has got to violate the rights of all the riders NOT protected by the Spanish government. And, indeed, the rights of the sponsers. If a cycling team gets busted, badly damaging the reputation of the sponser, when the Spanish knew all along that the riders concerned were doping and purposely concealed that evidence, I’d think the sponser would be kind of pissed off, in a legal sense.
And what if a rider from County X, which has anti-doping laws, is doping, but the criminal authorities from X do not suspect this, and so do not start criminal investigations… if the Spanish (judiciary, federation, police, whatever) know that the rider is doping illegally in Country X but don’t inform the Xian authorities, aren’t they abetting his crime?
I know, this is law, so obviously nobody seriously guilty can be ever prosecuted, but it feels to me as though this situation is somewhat sub-optimal. There ARE higher powers than the Spanish judiciary, and I’d have thought that most of the EU was fairly anti-cheating, even if Spain isn’t.
by Wastrel on Mar 27, 2010 9:11 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
See, this is the talk that ticks me off
In the case of Valverde, the Spanish Federation did not entirely lie down. The RFEC intervened in the case twice. First in February 2008, the Spanish Federation joined an appeal with the UCI and WADA against the decision of the Judge to close the Puerto investigation. The Madrid Court of Appeals rejected the appeal. The Spanish Federation also made a request to the Judge for access to the evidence in 2009 in light of the Italian investigation of Valverde. The Judge rejected this request in April 2009. No Puerto for you.
When we got into this big argument before, people accused me of not knowing what I was talking about when I referenced this^^^. The Spanish courts decided this, not the Spanish cycling federation, and if the Spanish courts decide that evidence has been gathered in a wrong way, or it is not legally admissible, or Pee Wee Herman drinks milk on Sunday then that’s their Legal system to decide that….agree or disagree.
So now, Valverde is ‘a doper’ (wow, big surprise!) and the UCI will fight to make this worldwide, and then what happens in Spain? No bike racing for you Alejandro….but wait…the high court in Madrid ruled different than this – buy out or legally impeccable practice, who knows?. So now Italy and Switzerland make the law in Spain? Huh? Weird. AND then if Murcia or other supports the Spanish Legal decision…then “they support doping”…..uhhh…nope, not in my mind. Criminals get off all the time, does that mean the govy supports murder/rape/fraud etc.? No, it doesn’t.
I mentioned Greg Strock before, his doctor buddy Dr. Wade Exum said that fewer than 1 in 7 athletes in the US Olympic system who would test positive were ever sanctioned. Corruption exists in other places than just Spain.
And regarding amnesties…you may be right, but at the same time, you cannot make a system where all the reward is in the cheating and all the punishment is in getting caught, it doesn’t do anything to deter the “crime”. Ever read about the US war on drugs…how’s that working out?
By simple power measures…Watts/KG everyone is still cheating today with bio-pass, so why pretend they aren’t. 6.97W/kg for Armstrong? Yeah right, when Indurain won the TDF at 4.92 W/kg (~395W)? I watched Indurain pass Armstong like he was standing still…so where did all the athletes suddenly start getting the extra 200-300W?? Evolution? I’m sure many of you know how hard it is to pump out 350-400W for 30 minutes. So 550??? ha!
The riders are the ones getting screwed here. No choice but to dope, no power vs the teams and doctors, and no ability to work within legal systems. Every rider I know, who tried to take ‘the high ground’ isn’t racing anymore. If you wanna believe that Millar is clean, but can somehow still pump out that wattage, be my guest. Have that faith, while the others rot in jail, or in Spain cause of a bunch of dirty doctors and business men.
Didn’t Vino blood dope? Maybe the UCI should try to strip his results back to 1999?
Gav rocks
I tuned out the details on the Valverde saga long ago so this post is perfect for me. I fell all caught up now. Thanks.
I was under the impression there would be cartoon illustrations?
But that is a amazing summary of a very complicated situation. Thanks, Gav
Hmmm, yessss
I do see what you’re thinking there.
But legal decisions and crayons, I think maybe… no.
Di Luca
I read recently that even if he’s prosecuted criminally, the sentence (prison) he’ll be facing is a suspended one. I don’t know how that would apply to a cyclist like him though. I mean, “suspended” sentence means that for a period of time it hangs over your head, and then given no new violations, the sentence is considered “served”. Would he he have to fail another test in order to violate the suspended status of his sentence? For that matter, it makes me wonder who the CERA sales rep was that managed to convince so many riders that it was undetectable! (I can hear him now, “Aaay, TRUST me, we have it AAAAAALLLL worked out for you, what could possibly go wrong eh?!”) That guy is a salesman’s salesman!! The riders all seemed so completely “un”-worried about the risk of a potential positive, and subsequently appeared “stunned” and totally unprepared when the cuffs were slapped on and the headlines written. It seemed to me as I watched the Giro last year, (though I respected his innocent till proven guilty right) that there was no way he was getting out alive. I mean, he was inhumanly agressive, thrillingly so, but it wasn’t believable, for me. I felt the same way when I watched Museeuw’s last P-R victory. I wonder if his love for the race is so fantastic, that he actually knew in advance that he wanted to experience the limelight, the maglia rosa, and likely victory – even if it meant only enjoying it for a couple of months (til the UA results were confirmed). Surely there is something to be said for actually living the experience of having personally delivered so much “color” to the Giro, like the Italian legends who preceeded him. Can you imagine actually giving the world that level of drama stage to stage? I saw what I percieved to be an awful lot of pride in his riding, radiating something powerful and beautiful, with no regrets, guilt or remorse. The ugly part is ahead of him now, but perhaps the memories of the race and the celebration that followed the drama as it unfolded (even as a runner up) was still worth it for him. Who knows, maybe he’ll write a book while (if) he’s in prison. I’d read it.
"Oooh God...if there IS one, save my soul...if I HAVE one." -Eugen Weber
Suspended sentence
Suspended sentences for penalties or a year or less are routine in most European countries – or at least, France and Italy which are the countries I know best.
Also, they are clearly working on a case against Santuccione, but since he’s escaped before – and Ferrari eventually escaped on appeal – they’re going slow with that one, I suspect. Certainly, they have evidence from Riccò and from previous investigations of Santuccione himself.
Do you know
where I should send my resume if I want to become a CERA sales rep? I think this could be the job I was waiting for.
Eh, I keep wondering how they can look so happy while doping
But having lots of oxygen to your muscles while cycling flat-out must feel great. Exercise flat out, feel great, have shit eating grin on your face, it all goes together, with not much room for philosophy or second thoughts, I guess.
Again, I've more than said my bit, but I'd like to say this...
Ullrich? I read about this before….this is just more stupidity. Agree or disagree if you will. The UCI is an embarrassment.
Do we, as fans, judge these riders because they’ve doped?
or do we judge them because they’ve been caught?
well . . . it would be kind of ignorant to "judge these riders" for doping if they haven't been caught.
That’s how witch hunts, reighns of terror, and ethnic cleansings get started.
"Oooh God...if there IS one, save my soul...if I HAVE one." -Eugen Weber
I respect that,
I guess in my mind I’m not so hard on those who have been caught, and no so lenient on those who got away with it, but I can understand both perspectives.
I wonder how Greg Strock feels about all this stuff when he reads it.
Oh Greg Strock...
how there is a friggen story. At least he is back racing now after that whole debacle. I wish it would have been much more high profile and would have taken Carmichael down a few pegs.
He lives over in Indy and I have seen him race a bunch since he started again and he is still super strong.
"Cofidis Keukeleire in revelation set off a seat and made the job off." Oh Google translator...
by Vlaanderen90 on Mar 28, 2010 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm confused by your comment "those who got away with it"
How can you make a statement like that unless you have personally been witness to the actual doping itself? Do you mean thta you are “not so lenient” on those who you have an “OPINION” or “hunch” about? That’s your right of course, but serioiusly, innocent until proven guilty – there is no other way. As for grouping those who’ve been busted, I think it would be energy better spent making a distinction (as long as we’re entering in the notion of personal, subjective character judgements here) between those who at least had enough respect (for the fans, teams, media, legal personelle, and themselves) to not cower behind a drawn out denial, and those who selfishly and stubbornly cluttered the sport with unfounded and dishonest defenses.
"Oooh God...if there IS one, save my soul...if I HAVE one." -Eugen Weber
I think I distinguish between 'unfounded' and 'dishonest'
Cuz. y’know, I think Inigo Landaluze probably WAS using testosterone—so his defense might have been dishonest, but it wasn’t unfounded.
I sort of think the same to be true of Landis’s defense: whatever I think about whether or not Landis was or was not using, the procedures used to prosecute him needed scrutiny and improvement.
Of course, for too long, “doping enforcement” has probably been seen more as a p.r. item by the uci (Paging Mr. Verbruggen, and witness the 50 hematocrit ‘speed’ limit), and has been seriously underfunded.
I don't see a contradiction between considering each rider individually innocent
and being sure that a significant number of them probably are guilty. It’s an assessment of group mores, standards and norms. We know there were quite a few famous doping doctors. Team cars were pulled over with enough product to dope a battleship. Quite a few “someone’s” must have been using. More than have been nabbed. Ergo, some have gotten away with it. That’s not to say “guilty before proof and trial” to any particular rider, and it in no way violates the philosophical underpinnings of our legal system.
Puerto Zombie? Indeed!
I still think this will be in appeal forever so that in 2525 there will be corpses, if not zombies, testifying on behalf of CONI.
Wigglypuff Cav Crunch, Breakfast of Madison Champions!
Best Puerto Summary
Thanks Gavia. The best summary on the web.
Bike to work. Work to eat. Eat to Live. Live to bike.
Finally got around to reading it.
And it was worth it. Very well written.

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