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VDS One Month On: Who's Hot, Who's Not?

Virtual-ds-2_mediumOkay, folks--we've had a whole month of VDS now. 184 riders have scored a total of 20,363 points. Up at the top of the ranks sit the 30 highest-scoring riders...let's take a look at how they compare to last year's performance. Both Top 30 lists are included at the end of the post.

Note: due to scheduling shenanigans, I've added in Gent-Wevelgem to last year's points, even though it didn't happen until later in April. That will help give a clearer picture of how the new Cat 6 races are affecting things.

Hot! 6 Riders who have upped their game by 300+ points compared to last year at this time

1. Oscar Freire, +400. Not a surprise here--Oscarito was injured last year in the Tour of California, and had scored bupkis at this point. He's a bit behind 2008, when he won 3 stages and the points jersey at Tirreno, Gent-Wevelgem, and came in 8th in MSR, but not too far off.

2. Luca Paolini +375 Not a win yet, only a couple of podiums at Driedaagse--but consistent performance in the classics so far, with 10th places at MSR and G-W, plus 6th at Dwars door Vlaanderen. One to keep an eye on.

3. Maxim Iglinsky +355 Won Eroica, top tens in G-W and MSR, plus 4th overall at Tirreno. Great spring so far.

4. Matti Breschel +325 His best result has been winning Dwars door Vlaanderen, but also picked up points in G-W and MSR.

5. Jens Keukeleire +325 Poster child for the new Cat 6 races--every single one of his points has been scored in this category. Last year, he wouldn't have been a blip on the VDS radar.

6. Michael Rogers +315 Podium at Eroica and in the overall at Criterium International. Decent result in Tirreno. It's not that he wasn't getting results last spring--3rd overall in the Tour of California--that just didn't count for anything back then.

Brrr! Who's stone-cold? Find out below the jump.

Star-divide

Ice, Ice, Baby! 5 Riders who have dropped 300+ points compared to last year

1. Sylvain Chavanel -468 By this time last year, he'd picked up points in KBK, Paris-Nice, DdV, and E3. This year: de rien. It's not like he's been absent--he's been hanging around consistently in the top 20-30 of the major races, but has yet to finish in the points. There's hope.

2. Thor Hushovd -435 There's always hope when it comes to the God of Thunder, and it's not quite as bad as it looks. Last year at this time he'd scored in just 3 races: a win, a 3rd, and a 4th in Het Nieuwsblad, MSR, and E3 respectively. This year, he's got a pair of 6ths in MSR and KBK. Not so far out of the money, really, if a bit disappointing points-wise.

3. Mark Cavendish -405 Cav's dental problems took the bite out of his early season, but he's recently returned to winning. Not in time to figure in MSR, which was a huge blow to his VDS season, but the Manx Missile is firing again.

4. Heinrich Haussler -310 Oh, Barbie. Started off with a promising 2nd place in the Omloop, then fell victim to knee problems and is out of the classics entirely. The world mourns.

5. Marcus Burghardt -310 Like Chavanel, only worse. He's been up in the top 30 in a couple of important races, but less consistently. And not a point so far.

Cool, man, cool. 6 who get credit for consistency: all are in the Top 30 for both years, and within 100 points of last year's total--guys to keep in mind when planning next year's spring campaign.

1. Tom Boonen 570 last year vs. 540 this year. He doesn't have to win, as long as he tries.

2. Luis Leon Sanchez 290 vs. 316. He's a lulu of a stage racer, isn't he?

3. Michele Scarponi 238 vs. 296. Tirreno IS his spring. Expect to see him again in the Giro, then say goodbye.

4. Filippo Pozzato 345 vs. 290. He's scored in 5 races so far--that's a lot. Actually making the podium in one of them would be even better.

5. Daniele Bannati 321 vs. 275. Benna's not just a pretty face. He does pretty well when Cav's got a toothache.

6. Alessandro Petacchi 325 vs. 265. Virtually identical to last year--handful of points at Tirreno, followed by a top 5 at MSR (this year, the podium).

A word about 1-point riders and Cat 6 racers. Off screen, ursula expressed interest in the fact that there are currently five1-point guys in the top 30. That's almost twice as many as last year. And 54 1-pointers have scored, compared with 45 last year at this time. Is there a resurgence of youth, or are we just seeing the effect of a bunch of minor races thrown into the VDS pool?

I'm gonna say the latter. Subtract out the points from Cat 6 races, and we're back to 3 1-pointers in the top 30. Keukeleire, as I mentioned above, would lose all of his points--as would a total of 7 of the 20 best-scoring 1-point riders. Cat 6 and 1-pointers: like mussels and Leffe.

How are the Cat 6 races affecting the top of the pile? Not so much. So far this year, 20,363 VDS points have been awarded, compared to 17,823 last year (including Gent-Wevelgem). That's 2,540 more points awarded--but our Top 30 is only 418 points ahead of last year's. Considering that the Top 30 is hogging nearly half (about 47.7%) of all of the points awarded so far, those 418 don't seem to be adding a ton to the total. Which, really, is about what you'd expect: the top riders aren't going to be targeting the sort of minor races that we added this year. But they're a great place for your 1-point guys to shine.

Top 30 after 3 Daagse de Panne 2010 (includes team and cost)

1, QST    Tom Boonen    22    540
2, AST    Maxim Iglinskiy    6    535
3. ASA    Luca Paolini    10    500
4. SKY    Juan Antonio Flecha    8    480
5. RAB    Oscar Freire Gomez    10    400
6. ASA    Stefano Garzelli    14    360
7. THR    Bernhard Eisel    4    350
8. AST    Alberto Contador Velasco    32    348
9. KAT    Filippo Pozzato    18    345
10. SAX    Matti Breschel    16    340
11. OLO    Philippe Gilbert    28    325
12. LAM    Alessandro Petacchi    14    325
13. COF    Jens Keukeleire    1    325
14. LIQ    Daniele Bennati    12    321
15. THR    Michael Rogers    8    315
16. GRM    Tyler Farrar    20    300
17. GCE    Alejandro Valverde Belmonte    32    290
18. GCE    Luis Leon Sanchez Gil    12    290
19. GRM    David Millar    4    290
20. CSF    Sacha Modolo    1    290
21. SAX    Fabian Cancellara    28    280
22. KAT    Joaquin Rodriguez Oliver    14    265
23. CTT    Thor Hushovd    24    250
24. VAC    Bobbie Traksel    1    250
25. TSV    Sep Vanmarcke    1    250
26. BMC    Cadel Evans    28    245
27. AND    Michele Scarponi    8    238
28. VAC    Björn Leukemans    4    225
29. AND    Francesco Ginanni    1    225
30. COF    Rein Taaramäe    10    220

2009 Top 30 after Driedaagse (incl. G-W)

1. CTT    Thor Hushovd    16    685
2. QST    Tom Boonen    20    570
3. THR    Mark Cavendish    20    515
4. CTT    Heinrich Haussler    2    510
5. AST    Alberto Contador    25    473
6. QST    Sylvain Chavanel    12    468
7. THR    Thomas Lovkvist    14    355
8. THR    Edvald Boasson Hagen    6    330
9. GCE    Luis Leon Sanchez Gil    6    316
10. THR    Marcus Burghardt    4    310
11. SDA    Michele Scarponi    N    296
12. KAT    Filippo Pozzato    14    290
13. LIQ    Daniele Bennati    18    275
14. SAX    Jens! Voigt    6    270
15. LPR    Alessandro Petacchi    4    265
16. RAB    Juan Antonio Flecha    8    255
17. RAB    Denis Menchov    16    250
18. QST    Allan Davis    4    250
19. RAB    Tom Leezer    1    250
20. SIL    Greg Van Avermaet    14    240
21. CTT    Andreas Klier    2    240
22. SAX    Frank Schleck    16    225
23. MRM    Fabian Wegmann    4    225
24. LIQ    Frederik Willems    2    220
25. QST    Stijn Devolder    14    215
26. ASA    Stefano Garzelli    4    205
27. SAX    Karsten Kroon    6    200
28. AGR    Kevyn Ista    2    200
29. LIQ    Alexandr Kuschynski    1    200
30. AST    Andreas Kloden    8    196

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Cat 6 races add extra vim!

1, 2, & 3 pointers this year will be the 10 & 14 pointers soon.
Nice to see names, and watch ‘em as they’re coming up.
Thanx fer all yer hard work and anlysis

by LooseHorse on Apr 1, 2010 6:22 PM EDT reply actions  

nice work

and a nicer teeth-related pun. i think the burghardt slump is interesting- it was between him and eisel for the germanic classics guy spot on my team- glad i went for eisel.

"well...you live in england so: you love the rain. loves the queen. hates cycling. based on mr bean had a tremendous amount of humour. all ride in a mini cooper. all getting drunk before the age of 12. getting drunk at least 3 times a day."- frinking, 7/9/09

by Ben Shave on Apr 1, 2010 6:28 PM EDT reply actions  

i went for both

and i’m glad that at least one is paying off

by nicknorco on Apr 2, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Same here.

I suppose I would also consider Burghardt’s slump “interesting” if I hadn’t paid real cash money, er, points for him. But at least there’s Bernie. 1 out of 2 ain’t bad?

by Krtek on Apr 2, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes, one out of two

is better than none, but i’m not letting Burghardt off the hook just yet – i’m still expecting something out of him this season…

by nicknorco on Apr 2, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I'm still hoping he'll snap out of it.

Although I can’t say I’m feeling too optimistic at the moment. Maybe it’s something in the water on the team bus. Ballan has been nowheresville too, I believe. Although, Chavanel, same deal. Grr.

by Krtek on Apr 2, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

My biggest disappointment is Vandvelde

Where has he been?

I debated between putting him on my team or Mick Rogers. I really like Mick, but I couldn’t afford both. I wish him continued success, anyway, since I’m a big HTC fan. Heck, I’d be ok with Mick winning the Tour. :-)

Christian Vdv will get better as days get warmer. (I say with hope.)

by MaestroDon on Apr 1, 2010 6:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Let me preface my snide comment

by first saying I that just watched the Versus preview of Flanders and was upset there was no way I could respond to Phil when he said that there is no way he could not mention Lance when he is entered in a race. I believe the proper response would be that there is no way that Phil cannot talk about Lance under any situation. That said, on a team full of disappointments you have to single out CVV? Sure he pretty much has a permanent place on my VDS team, but you have to know going in that he is going to break your heart. Maybe it is his Illinois roots but it seems that being a CVV fan is akin to being a Cubs fan, at the end of the season you can pretty much count on disappointment. Still, I can’t wait for his next race where I will be holding my breath on every one of his descents.

by Logy on Apr 1, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Others not hot

Cunego, Ciolek, Maaskant, Moncoutie, Visconti…what do they all have in common? They are on my VDS along with Chavanel and the Glorious one. But at least GHH can’t be blamed, injuries happen. In conclusion, fuck my VDS team.

Proud member of Thuggetz nation.

by Phil H. on Apr 1, 2010 7:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Definitely not hot now

but he was hot before the VDS actually started, usefully.

by Triki on Apr 1, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not cold, either.

160 this year vs. 330 last year. 170 points is a drop, but not a catastrophe.

The advantage of becoming pigeon takes enormous proportions.--Sporza live ticker, Stage 2 Driedaagse de Panne, courtesy of Google Translate.

by majope on Apr 1, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

330 points for a 6 point rider

seems so much better than 170 points and a nagging achilles for a 24 point rider. I for one blame Sky for this poor turn of events. I have no basis for this accusation, but it makes me feel better.

by Logy on Apr 1, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's true that I'm an optimist by nature, but there's little reason to count EBH out for the season.

Last year he scored:
80 in Eroica
250 Gent-Wevelgem
281 Giro
100 in his National Championships
180 Poland
290 Benelux
Plus, if Britain had counted (which it will this year) he’d have added 260 points there. This year, if he gets his health in order and doesn’t collapse under the pressure, he should do even better. Being 170 behind at this point doesn’t seem like such a big thing—yet. We’ll see.

The advantage of becoming pigeon takes enormous proportions.--Sporza live ticker, Stage 2 Driedaagse de Panne, courtesy of Google Translate.

by majope on Apr 1, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

but i think his cost

was based on the idea of him doing quite a lot better than last year. But yeah, season’s only just started.

" sprints like a climber, and climbs like a sprinter" - internet forum person

by yeehoo on Apr 2, 2010 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

There is reason, however, to predict that he will not live up to his VdS price.

Where is he going to pick 1500 points in the remaining season? PR + NC +TdF+ToB+WC+(Vatten)PT(other races) does not in my mind seem to add up to 1500 points. I have said this before and I will say it again: EBH was overpriced. I for one do not blame team Sky for his lack of results. I blame VdS…

by Holdenmate on Apr 2, 2010 4:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fighting words...

or could you blame Sky for overfilling his calendar?

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Apr 2, 2010 7:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

He has had 19 race days so far this season..

..compared to 17 days last season. Hardly a dramatic increase. There has been more pressure and more leadership responibilities on his shoulders this season but that is only natural and comes with the territory and frankly he should be glad. (Of course we can only speculate about his training. Maybe he has tried to hard and pays the price with a sore achilles. Naturally this can also be blamed on team Sky I guess… )I know that blaming Sky for everything is a tradition/running joke/Pavlovian reaction/quirk around here but in this case (too) it is missing the dartboard.
I still think that Edvald can have a great season and in my mind a great season would mean replicating the VdS score he got last year. Of course we can hope for a massive/steady/Saganesque improvement, but with this start I doubt it somehow. It’s not easy to podium on TdF stages or get into the final at Roubaix or the WC.

by Holdenmate on Apr 2, 2010 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who makes the training schedule?

And dud he really had to win the Tour of Oman.. And almost Qatar?

by Frinking on Apr 2, 2010 7:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm glad we see eye to eye on this subject as well, Frinky...

No, he didn’t have to win. He probably wanted to. Like Cancellara.. Sprinting on a couple of stages in the desert must really have fatigued our young hero Eddy Merckx 2. And I guess we all can agree that winning the Tour of Oman really destroyed the spring season for Tony…
I guess we also can agree that we KNOW that excessive training is the reason for EBHs achilles problem. After all it couldn’t possibly be that his achilles infact is his achilles heel (so to speak)..
Tom Boonen has had much the same schedule as EBH this season. Differences in training are infact something we know very little about. Or do you have some inside information, F?
For some people the golden rule of cycling fanism seem to be to excuse the rider for every responsibility (this is not directed at anyone in particular – so exhale, it is just a general observation (somewhat of a generalisation infact(and should be treated as such)) ;) ). The blame is always put on the team, the organizer, the media or whoever but the person on the bike for poor results, injuries or doping. I think these people ignore the fact that the riders are adults responsible for their own actions.

by Holdenmate on Apr 2, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

The riders are nominally adults, but they're coddled and cosseted

in ways that I sometimes think infantilises them..

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Apr 2, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well I'm happy for you than ;)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Apr 2, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Happy and wondering

Coddled and cosseted by whom?

Gerrie Kneteman: If a football player falls he shouts for his mother, if a cyclist falls he yells for his bike.

by Lopex on Apr 2, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is a response to the question lopex posed below...

Well, in days of yore it was Lore
Who did coddles and Cuddles and more
In the kitchen or the closet
She would cosset my faucet
Oh the shit we did on that floor!

I was a master of the lore of Lore
As a slave she behaved, who could ask for more?

Then I took a piss to mark what was mine
I unmissed the missus the couch and the wine
She called me a bastard, I called her a bitch
Cupid lay drowsy and drunk in a ditch

I hounded my Lore and showed her the door
Now I hear she’s hooked up with a Belgian bore
But I am happy; smiling and winking
’cause now I am pampered and petted by Frinking!

Disclaimer: Any perceived insult to bitches, women, dogs, Roman gods, Dutch students, mankind, lovers of language, Nietzsche, Belgian cyclists or Lore is unintentional and purely in the mind of the beholder.

by Holdenmate on Apr 3, 2010 6:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

You are a dangerous man... can't stop laughing..

In its own way this is both appalling and entertaining. I now understand you are a masochist: the way Frinking cossets you would break the spirits of lesser men ;)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Apr 3, 2010 6:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you. It is certainly appalling. Deplorable. Base.

I just hope that Frinking will like it! He’s adorable! He just rubs me the right way! And so on.. :)

by Holdenmate on Apr 3, 2010 6:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL! Deplorably apt I'd say...

It could even reduce him to speechlessness… no that’s not possibe…

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Apr 3, 2010 6:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

None... but we'll blame you if it happens.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Apr 3, 2010 6:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

But the Frinkster can really write too

It’s about Angelsachians. I tried to find it for you, but the search function isn’t working. It’s my favourite PdC thread ever.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Apr 3, 2010 6:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

The simple translation is Anglo Saxons, but Frinkles says it's

used in the Netherlands to describe Dutch people who think in English.
It is a truly hilarious piece of writing, which i have saved but as I said, I can’t find the link!

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Apr 3, 2010 6:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actual spelling: Anglo-Saxon

or in Dutch: Angelsaksisch (silent g like English -ng at the end of a word).

by tedvdw on Apr 6, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you :)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Apr 3, 2010 7:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have no feelings either way about Sky

although I’m not necessarily a big Wiggins fan. I just tend to think that they need to nurture their young talents and protect them. Perhaps it was just bad luck for EBH?
I actually don’t think VDS prices matter a jot because we’re all working from the same price sheet… but I may be alone in thinking that.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Apr 2, 2010 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are we talking about Cancellara the Bear or Ursula?

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Apr 2, 2010 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well at least you warned Holden..

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Apr 2, 2010 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, me and ursula have been through a round or two on the subject before.

I guess I can restate that I have no problem with the overprice of EBH. Deciding which riders are under-/over-priced is in my mind the purpose of the game. A great game it is, I might add. :)

by Holdenmate on Apr 2, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good answer.

Those who picked Ebola Boasson Hagen at 24 points well, good luck with that. But a lot of people did. heh

by ursula on Apr 2, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ciolek's back on Monday!

Well, sort of—he’s not yet fit to join the pros, so he’s riding the amateur version of the Rund um Koln.

I also think it’s very thrifty of Milram to put Gerald to work in the kitchens when he can’t produce results on the bike. And that Dominique Rollin’s going to kick your ass for suggesting that cooking is somehow incompatible with bike racing.

The advantage of becoming pigeon takes enormous proportions.--Sporza live ticker, Stage 2 Driedaagse de Panne, courtesy of Google Translate.

by majope on Apr 2, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

But were you impressed

by the team colour Calvin Kleins?

by Monty. on Apr 2, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's dedication!

But I always think of Back to the Future:

 “Why do you keep calling me ‘Calvin’?”

“That is your name, isn’t it? It’s written all over your underwear.”

The advantage of becoming pigeon takes enormous proportions.--Sporza live ticker, Stage 2 Driedaagse de Panne, courtesy of Google Translate.

by majope on Apr 2, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tony Martin...

"Cofidis Keukeleire in revelation set off a seat and made the job off." Oh Google translator...

by Vlaanderen90 on Apr 1, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Grrrrr...

…remind me why I took a German, any German?

by Ed K on Apr 1, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because he is from the Fatherland and once he is healthy

he will vanquish all his competitors

"Cofidis Keukeleire in revelation set off a seat and made the job off." Oh Google translator...

by Vlaanderen90 on Apr 1, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because you are a winner Ed

even if your VDS team isn’t, but once can’t forget Jens!

Proud member of Thuggetz nation.

by Phil H. on Apr 1, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Love it - thank you.

Do you take requests? Got team scores now v last year.?
So many questions……not least is Mr L right re QS.

by andrewp on Apr 1, 2010 7:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Quick and dirty:

5 teams had scored a total of 1000+ points for this period last year. Quick Step was 2nd, not far behind Columbia:

Columbia 2005
QuickStep 1918
Cervelo 1495
Rabobank 1430
Astana 1079

This year, once again 5 teams above 1000 points:
Rabobank 1543
Team HTC – Columbia 1310
Astana 1228
Liquigas – Doimo 1176
Sky Professional Cycling Team 1115

Quick Step has scored 610 points—540 from Boonen, 40 from Malacarne, and 30 from Wynants. Last year, they’d scored from Boonen, Chavanel, Davis, Devolder, van Impe, Pineau, Seeldraeyers, and Weylandt—and of them, only Weylandt had scored fewer than 100 points.

Yeah. Comparatively speaking, Quick Step sucks this year.

The advantage of becoming pigeon takes enormous proportions.--Sporza live ticker, Stage 2 Driedaagse de Panne, courtesy of Google Translate.

by majope on Apr 1, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oops, forgot to add in G-W to last year. But QS stays the same.

So there were 6 teams above 1000:
Columbia 2355
Quick Step 1918
Cervelo 1705
Rabobank 1680
Astana 1079
Liquigas 1025

The advantage of becoming pigeon takes enormous proportions.--Sporza live ticker, Stage 2 Driedaagse de Panne, courtesy of Google Translate.

by majope on Apr 1, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gosh Columbia really have fallen a long way

how much of that is due to T-Mob money running out, I wonder.

by Monty. on Apr 2, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

They had 4 of the top 10 last year at this time.

The only one they retained was Cav, and he’s down over 400 points thanks to his tooth. The other three were Lofkvist, EBH, and Burghardt—all moved on, and have yet to produce to last year’s levels at their new teams.

So, if the loss of T-Mobile money was a factor in not retaining these guys, then—yeah. Stapleton has specifically denied that money was the issue in EBH’s case, though.

The advantage of becoming pigeon takes enormous proportions.--Sporza live ticker, Stage 2 Driedaagse de Panne, courtesy of Google Translate.

by majope on Apr 2, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lots of things just seemed to fall right for Columbia last year

so you wouldn’t expect things to be the same this. But their 2010 signings just don’t even look to have the promise that people like Boassen Hagen and Lovfkvfist had when they joined up. It’s quite sad to compare the two rosters even if 2010 is actually longer (and that surprised me)

by Monty. on Apr 2, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

No wonder I am doing so bad...

I only have 1 in the top 30…and he is near the bottom

"Cofidis Keukeleire in revelation set off a seat and made the job off." Oh Google translator...

by Vlaanderen90 on Apr 1, 2010 7:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh please

I have two in the top 30 – and my team can only see yours on the horizon, if they squint really hard…

by Lou... on Apr 1, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isn't Lars Boom fairly hot?

clarification: in terms of his VDS points. Xavier Tondo is also hot in a minor way, I think.

How’s Farrar comparing to this time last year?

by Triki on Apr 1, 2010 8:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I think he had 115 after De Panne

but last year he was also a 4 point rider.

by Logy on Apr 1, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lars is quite warm--currently at 37th place with 198 points.

Didn’t score a point last year until the Vuelta. Another couple of good results and he could well be officially Hot.

The advantage of becoming pigeon takes enormous proportions.--Sporza live ticker, Stage 2 Driedaagse de Panne, courtesy of Google Translate.

by majope on Apr 1, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

That will be sunday

Gerrie Kneteman: If a football player falls he shouts for his mother, if a cyclist falls he yells for his bike.

by Lopex on Apr 2, 2010 3:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tondo had a blazing beginning last year as well

he was 4th at Murcia overall and 6th at Castilla y Leon then he was 8th at GP Indurain which is this weekend

"Cofidis Keukeleire in revelation set off a seat and made the job off." Oh Google translator...

by Vlaanderen90 on Apr 1, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe not a huge difference then

I was considering that some early results last year weren’t in the VDS calendar.

by Triki on Apr 1, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

O/T

Was some sort of swap arranged with Tondo and Jose Angel Gomez Marchante, between the teams? I suppose effectively there just was a swap, whether they started out negotiating that way or not. Seems like an uncommon arrangement.

by Triki on Apr 1, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it was one of those random things but could be looked into

but it would seem like such an unfair trade since Tondo is much better

"Cofidis Keukeleire in revelation set off a seat and made the job off." Oh Google translator...

by Vlaanderen90 on Apr 2, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

i thought that

tondo is better, but his wages are probably higher…marchante would have been a cheaper but still good alternative for xacobeo

"well...you live in england so: you love the rain. loves the queen. hates cycling. based on mr bean had a tremendous amount of humour. all ride in a mini cooper. all getting drunk before the age of 12. getting drunk at least 3 times a day."- frinking, 7/9/09

by Ben Shave on Apr 2, 2010 6:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Andalucia-Cajasur is the other team

not Xacobeo but it is irrelevant since they got the crappy end of the deal.

"Cofidis Keukeleire in revelation set off a seat and made the job off." Oh Google translator...

by Vlaanderen90 on Apr 2, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

eh

spanish pro conti teams- i must confess i struggle to tell them apart…xacobeo had mosquera then? i get the 2 confused

"well...you live in england so: you love the rain. loves the queen. hates cycling. based on mr bean had a tremendous amount of humour. all ride in a mini cooper. all getting drunk before the age of 12. getting drunk at least 3 times a day."- frinking, 7/9/09

by Ben Shave on Apr 2, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boom, yes I'd say.

…and Gaspa is hot as well. Already over 2x last years score now that he’s off the Little Priince’s leash.

by ELVISGOAT on Apr 2, 2010 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Eh. I would hesitate to claim that anyone with a total of 140 points is hot.

Better, sure, and it’s promising that he’s scored in 4 different races already. But “not as cold as last year” ain’t the same as “hot.”

The advantage of becoming pigeon takes enormous proportions.--Sporza live ticker, Stage 2 Driedaagse de Panne, courtesy of Google Translate.

by majope on Apr 2, 2010 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Huh?

The advantage of becoming pigeon takes enormous proportions.--Sporza live ticker, Stage 2 Driedaagse de Panne, courtesy of Google Translate.

by majope on Apr 2, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

A post like this calls for some music

to accompany it.

(this is dedicated to the awesome majope – and also to Seahorse, who may now just decide that she hasn’t really been missing me after all…)

by Lou... on Apr 1, 2010 8:29 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm rethinking my position ;)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Apr 1, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha! I love that it's very helpfully labeled "hip hop."

The advantage of becoming pigeon takes enormous proportions.--Sporza live ticker, Stage 2 Driedaagse de Panne, courtesy of Google Translate.

by majope on Apr 1, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

But this kind of music calls for some dancing

to make it whack.

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Apr 1, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

You and Lou are never allowed to meet...catastrophe would ensue!

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Apr 1, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I tried to pull off some of those moves

catastrophe might ensue

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Apr 1, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

That video just makes me yell at my monitor...

… it makes me yell… “BITCH! SHIT! FUCK! OMG, DEAL WITH IT!”

Heh, I shall never forget the first time that I saw the US ‘general release’ video clip for Snoop’s “Who Am I (What’s My Name)?” … my jaw hit the floor. I mean, seriously… that song just does not take ‘censorship’ well at all… it seemed like every second word was altered or bleeped out…

by Lou... on Apr 1, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh wow...

I’ve now watched the ‘censored’ Missy clip through to the end… exactly what is offensive about the word ‘breasts’?! The ‘censoring’ of the the word ‘breasts’ offends me on a number of levels…

by Lou... on Apr 1, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh if you want lack of censorship

listen to “fuck the police” from NWA, true hard core rap.

Proud member of Thuggetz nation.

by Phil H. on Apr 1, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Deeply sorry, can't find uncensored version w/ video.

I share your frustration with censorship. I think it was Bill Maher who said “this country needs to get laid”.

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Apr 2, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

No Missy Elliot

no you really aren’t.

Proud member of Thuggetz nation.

by Phil H. on Apr 1, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is bad..

Try this.

\not really topic related

by Frinking on Apr 2, 2010 4:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh boy...

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Apr 2, 2010 7:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah, Flecha

Isn’t he quite a bit better than last year? no way I can work the points out.

by Triki on Apr 1, 2010 8:34 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t really need this stuff verified, i’m just spitting it out. I’ll stop now.

by Triki on Apr 1, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

In the Top 30 both last year and this year. Up 225.

Doing very well, but slipped between the cracks of “+300” and “very consistent” so I didn’t end up discussing him.

The advantage of becoming pigeon takes enormous proportions.--Sporza live ticker, Stage 2 Driedaagse de Panne, courtesy of Google Translate.

by majope on Apr 1, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Put Eisel in the Hot category.

I don’t know what he scored last year but he’s riding a lot better this year.

by brunopitton on Apr 1, 2010 8:57 PM EDT reply actions  

350 this year compared to 185 last.

So +165. Definitely better, and the win at G-W was big. But strictly on point difference, warm rather than hot.

The advantage of becoming pigeon takes enormous proportions.--Sporza live ticker, Stage 2 Driedaagse de Panne, courtesy of Google Translate.

by majope on Apr 1, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

He might move into hot territory come Sunday.

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Apr 1, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

you need a 300pt gain on last year

so even if Boonen had doubled his points to his current score, he wouldn’t be hot. The hottometer is hard to please.

by Triki on Apr 1, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trouble is, if I mentioned everyone who was up or down 150-200 points over last year, the post would go on for pages

and it would take me days to finish it. I sorted this year’s and last year’s riders by points, and +/- 300 seemed manageable. Not looking to dis anyone’s favorite riders, just looking at ups and downs—and those, like Boonen, who are money in the bank pretty much all the time (at least at this time of year).

The advantage of becoming pigeon takes enormous proportions.--Sporza live ticker, Stage 2 Driedaagse de Panne, courtesy of Google Translate.

by majope on Apr 1, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, no criticism intended

No way percentages would work anyhow (neo pros).
In other posts I’m just amusing mself by trying to think of other riders who come close to the criteria. I seem to be coming up with the guys on my team first.

by Triki on Apr 1, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eisel

is the only rider i have in the top 30. this time last year i had 6 and i’d have 4 this year with last year’s squad (notable absences being EBH and GHH). gambled on spending the big money on EBH. trying to think like majope but i think i’m about where Phil is at.

by nicknorco on Apr 2, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

"trying to think like majope"

Dude, that’s a sign of serious trouble.

The advantage of becoming pigeon takes enormous proportions.--Sporza live ticker, Stage 2 Driedaagse de Panne, courtesy of Google Translate.

by majope on Apr 2, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

in that case

thanks for the warning ;-)

by nicknorco on Apr 3, 2010 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Back!

A point: out of the ‘cold’ riders only Burghadt has been (AFAIK) unaffected by illness. Tony Martin, mentioned above, seems to be another one with straightforward poor form.

by Triki on Apr 1, 2010 10:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Alan Davis also.

by Triki on Apr 1, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

didn't tony martin funk up his knee

while training earlier in the year? perhaps his knee’s still a bit worse for wear…

by discolite on Apr 1, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

overtrained and tendinitis resulted during the offseason

which then meant he had to lay off the training. Rode hard i thought in paris nice but didn’t quite have it.

" sprints like a climber, and climbs like a sprinter" - internet forum person

by yeehoo on Apr 2, 2010 3:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

One more

Purito must be pretty warm, like 200+ points better than last year.

by Triki on Apr 1, 2010 10:12 PM EDT reply actions  

You can look up all results from last year

here. Gives the points breakdown race-by-race on the Riders page.

The advantage of becoming pigeon takes enormous proportions.--Sporza live ticker, Stage 2 Driedaagse de Panne, courtesy of Google Translate.

by majope on Apr 1, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd love to have a second ranking

In which the riders in your team have the points of the last 12 months. In that way a poor performance in a race a rider won last year will hurt your team total. At the end of the year the two rankings will be identical but my wish would give a better idea of developments within the year.

It would also be nice to have a team ranking with the number of riders scoring more points than last year.

Gerrie Kneteman: If a football player falls he shouts for his mother, if a cyclist falls he yells for his bike.

by Lopex on Apr 2, 2010 4:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Myself, I would like a pony.

Sounds like you need Super Ted on the job.

by ursula on Apr 2, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

CQ does that.

Somewhat different races, but enough to give you a sense. Link, if you need it.

I’m not crazy about that kind of rolling ranking myself—I like the idea of starting fresh each season.

The advantage of becoming pigeon takes enormous proportions.--Sporza live ticker, Stage 2 Driedaagse de Panne, courtesy of Google Translate.

by majope on Apr 2, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

why isnt the Settimana CiclistaLomarby a Cat-6 race?

where else is my man gavazzi supposed to score some points??

by Full Carbon on Apr 2, 2010 6:32 PM EDT reply actions  

got Gavazzi

plus Alberto Loddo. Looks like they’ll both be at the Giro, but winning any sprints there is going to be a tall order.

by Triki on Apr 2, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

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