Pre-Ardennes Team Power Poll 2010!
Such a fun time of the year to be a cycling fan! But enough dithering! On with the rankings. Oh-the number in parenthesis is where Chris ranked the teams after LBL last year. And that LYCS? Last Year Chris Said.
1. Katusha (2)
LYCS: It was Ivanov who delivered the haymakers: a winner at AGR, 13th at La Fleche, and fifth at Liege... all done with aggressive riding.
2. Saxo Bank (1)
LYCS: If you weren't convinced by their tactics in Amstel or La Flèche, surely by Liège you got the point? Riis' troops were chomping at the bit all week, after a fitful spring, and tuning up Kolobnev gave them four legitimate threats: two Schlecks, the Russian, and Karsten Kroon. The haul included a podium at each race, two seconds and a win, plus a sixth, ninth and tenth. And that's before we subtract Rebellin's results. Anyway, they were aggressive and merciless Sunday. Sexy Back is just that: back.
Whoa. Katusha over Saxo? But everybody loves Saxo! Let's look at the teams.
Katusha has:
- Serguei Ivanov, defending AGR champ who always is a top 10 favorite for that race. Last year he followed that win with 13th at La Fleche and 5th at LBL, plus 8th later in the year at San Seb so it wasn't like a special one-time peak for the guy. He has had no results this year but that's par for the course for him.
- Joaquim Rodriguez. Valverde's former right hand man has normally had decent results in the Ardennes while riding support. This year: 7th at Paris-Nice, 1st at Catalunya, 1st at Big Mig, 4th at Pais Vasco. Those who saw the last road stage at Pais Vasco know his climbing abilities are still first rate.
- Alexandr Kolobnev. Former Saxo, was a close 4th at Big Mig. While I don't see him winning one of these races, top 10 finishes are likely and that makes him a threat that other teams need to mark.
Unfortunately Kim Kirchen has done nothing this year and isn't even starting the 1st two of these races.
Saxo meanwhile,
- Andy Schleck, defending LBL champion. No results to speak of this year but the same was true last year.
- Frank Schleck. Former AGR champ. Normally has a louder spring than his brother; came in 16th at Paris-Nice, 22nd at Pais vasco after crashing, 22nd at Catalunya, and 3rd at Klasika Primavera. That last result was interesting as it looked like Saxo had a specific game plan for Frank to win. Andy went in the early break to try to mess with the other teams. Didn't work. Frank was part of the small final selection where Samu made a successful last km charge to win by 5 seconds.
- Jakob Fuglsang. Here's where I think Saxo starts to fall off in quality. Fuglsang has done not much at all this year. True, that's the same as last year but when it came to the Ardennes he was strictly a worker. This year he needs to carry more of the burden. Is he up for it? Dunno. That is the big question in these rankings. Definitely I think he'll do okay but I'm not convinced that he will make the difference.
- Jens! Saxo takes another hit here. Jens! will give it his all but with CA Sorensen injured and Cancellara taking a break, not to mention losing Kolobnev and Kroon, the workers for Saxo are much less than last year. Other teams will just focus on the Schlecks and I haven't seen them produce so many results when that happens. The brothers are top 10 gimmies but after that they will have to win on their own. Put both of them at the bottom of the Cauberg with say Valverde, Cunego, and J-Rod and they finish 4th and 5th. And what about Gilbert, Gesink, Contador, and others? This is one tough neighborhood, That's why Katusha is #1. We'll see what we say next week.
3. Caisse d'Epargne (6)
LYCS: After two lackluster days, this (J-Rod attacking at LBL) is pretty much what Unzue unleashed in Liege. By then, however, Valverde was no longer the main weapon, just another guy sitting in the wheels, and Rodriguez' second place in La Doyenne was just a team face-saver.
This year looks entirely different for Al. The hanging doping suspension is making him take all races very, very seriously and a focused Valverde in these races is money. He's out sprinting Freire, he's climbing well: really if you have to pick one guy who has the best chance at winning one of these races, you have to pick Al.
Besides AV, there's Lulu who never has had a good result in these races but who also didn't race here last year, which is when he started to truly develop into a top rider. That screams Dark Horse to me. We all know by now how he can power away for a win on his own. With other teams looking at Valverde, he should get his chance again. LBL? There are no other favorites in the rest of the team but as we saw at Paris-Nice, this team is as strong as any. Their workers will keep their favorites close. This team could easily claim the top spot in a week's time. What I don't understand is why Uran isn't listed as starting a race.
4. Rabobank (4).
LYCS: Gesink's knee injury derailed the plans for Wednesday, but they got their man in place on the Cauberg. Among Rabo's priorities, this has to be top
three....
Polemica!
Hope you saw this. To which Bobo can point to his win last fall at Emilia, a very similar type of race. Does Oscarito have a point? No, he doesn't. For his career Friere can best be described as a solid 10th-20th place finisher in all of these races. Occasionally he sneaks into the top 10. He hasn't won. Why? No one in their right mind will drag Oscar to the finish due to his printing abilities as he's the 2nd best sprinter of the best riders here. (Yeah, 2nd best. See Valverde, Al.) He will get dropped on the late climbs just enough for him not to be involved in the final selection. But then again, Oscarito has been showing strong all year...
Gesink meanwhile scored 3rd last year at AGR where unfortunately he tweaked his knee. Clearly the non-Spanish contingent of Rabobank is looking at Bobo to return them to home race glory. He should be on everyone's short list for all three races.
The other guys? Nuyens was 8th at AGR last year so you can't let him slip away. Large Bomb? He'll be interesting to watch. I still have bad memories of Boom trying to climb at Paris-Nice. Ouch. Other than that they haven't shown much in the other two races. Clearly Bobo is The Man.
Note: Caisse and Rabo are placed higher than the teams below because they have more depth.
5. Omega Pharma Lotto (5)
LYCS: Silence raced pretty well as a team all week, even if you couldn't tell from the results or the post-race recriminations. They hauled back some breaks before the Mur, and didn't exactly miss out on anything important save for the winning Amstel effort. Gilbert singlehandedly animated the team with his aggression.
Lotto gets placed high because of That One Guy, Phil-Gil. We saw him win Lombardia last year. In the Ardennes he placed 4th at AGR and 4th at LBL. Serious short list fave here. The rest of the team? Who cares? Seriously though the team took a big couple of hist with Evans transferring and Dekker testing positive. Okay one big hit. Van Den Broeck might be of use.
6. Lampre. (3)
LYCS: Apart from AGR, Cunego didn't miss the moves... he just couldn't go with Schleck Sunday, and couldn't get past Rebellin on the Mur. Gasparotto did his pulls, and Mori and Gavazzi were around to help. I can't really fault them, even if one
measly podium is a light haul.
Cunego! Another short list Ardennes fave. Last year he had a poor year: 5th, 3rd, and 7th. It'll be interesting to see what Pietropolli might do in support.
7. BMC.
LYCS: Well nothing about the team since they weren't here but of Evans and Kroon, But Cadel's decision making on the Mur doesn't seem to have improved much over the last year. Ah well... (Saxo)...four legitimate threats: two Schlecks, the Russian, and Karsten Kroon.
Got Karsten Kroon and Cadel Evans. Nice 1-2 there though Kroon is only really good for AGR. Seems like the World Champ should win an Ardennes race once in his lifetime, doesn't it? I mean I'm not talking GT here. Brent Bookwalter is racing!
8. Liquigas (8)
LYCS: Kreuziger and Nibali both tried getting away as the races heated up, though to little avail. Basso was predictably invisible Sunday.
I suppose that's all you can hope for in an elite field and on courses where you ain't got the horses. Kreuziger may have a future in these hard one-day events, but it's too soon to say.
We are dropping away from the A-list teams now. Perhaps I should have ranked these guys lower until they get a good result. Kreuziger and Nibali are quite a 1-2 punch. But they haven't had a top placing yet though they were near the front at the races last year. Let's chalk that up to growing pains and predict that they will be solid top 10 contenders this year. Their supporting cast isn't the best though look for Santaromita to be useful. The winner of this year's Coppi and Bartali can climb.
9. HTC-Columbia (9)
LYCS: They were pretty inconspicuous both Sundays, though they earned some thing more than an F with decent work at La Fleche. THR helped Silence pull it together, and got both Lovkvist and Albasini launched on the Mur, for two top-10 spots. Still makes me concerned they are a one-trick pony, pulling back breaks so they can try their luck in a bunch finish. But it could be worse.
No hot favorite in the bunch but seriously, are you gonna doubt their chances after all we've seen? Who they got? Albasini was 14th at AGR and 8th at La Fleche last year. Monfort 24th at AGR, P. Velits was 25th at AGR with the Mooers. I have no idea who here is gonna take a serious run at these races but with this team you can count on something happening.
10. Vacansoleil
LYCS: Nothing at all. Zip.
Has Matteo Carrera, 12th at LBL, 21st at AGR, and 26th at La Fleche. Leukemans could be a help here. And wither Hoogerland? No priors to speak of in the Ardennes but this is Johnny Hoogerland we are talking about.
11. Sky
LYCS: Zeno.
Maybe these guys should be higher. They got Simon Gerrans, 7th, 8th, and 6th in the three races last year. They got Tom Lofkvist, 6th at La Fleche. I'm not sure if Wiggins will be much of a help and the rest of the team...hmm.. Froome?
12. Astana.
LYCS: Zilch.
Maxim Iglinsky's been on form all year but maybe he's getting tired from the workload? He scored 27th at La Fleche and 22nd at LBL last year and that was with subpar Classics management. If he's not exhausted he could sneak into the top 10.
Then there's The Accountant, who is definitely sandbagging (besides missing AGR). Bert does know these races as he's done them a couple of times before so don't buy the inexperienced angle; he just hasn't raced them since he started winning Grand Tours. Do I expect big things out of him? No-that's why the team is ranked 12th. But put him in good position at the bottom of the Cauberg or the Mur...
Gasparotto will be a good helper. Then there's Vino. Could be interesting at LBL.
13-17
Below are teams with one real good rider but little depth. Hard to rank them until we see more:
- Radio Shack has Horner who just won Pais Vasco. Chris should make some noise. Surprisingly they don't have Jani "I got 2nd!" Brajkovic starting. (Yeah, it's a picture from last year. I like it.)
- Androni Giocattoli (Inc.) It just feels like they could make some noise. Leo "One Of The Other Berts" Bertagnolli was 11th at Lombardia and 15th at Emilia last year. He did score a 33rd place at AGR two years ago riding for Liquigas. Ginanni might make noise and he's got a good sprint. We'll see...
- Cervelo has Tondo who is a neophyte at these races. But being a neophyte hasn't slowed him much this year...
- Garmin has Ryder Hesjedal, 11th at LBL last year. Looks like he's in decent form and should be thought of as a dark horse. Other than that they got rookies and guys practicing for other races.
- Euskaltel (7): WTF? Where is Samu in your startlists? A team led by Egoi and Igor doesn't stand a chance! With Sam San this team is top 10.
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need to consider the travel probs caused by the iceland volcano. who's already in holland, who's in route, who won't be there at all
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
hey, if i can't get there by car, i don't go...
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
Great point
As a veteran of 12-hr drives, the legs can feel like shiiiite the day after. If they get there today, there’s time to flush them out and still be good. If not… I pity them for the first 2hrs of Sunday.
by Douglas Ansel on Apr 16, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, he is built for these races. I'm quite furious!
They don’t even have Anton in Amstel…I mean, what is the point in even being there?! Seriously, is Samu allergic to racing or something? He’s in great form too….makes no sense to me whatsoever.
Great write up
Although with Oscar, he is probably the most naturally gifted rider out there. If he is asking for full support and he feels he is in good shape, it is Rabo’s duty to give him that support. If he fails, he fails. However, when he is on, he’s damn near unbeatable. See MSR for proof. When he is on form, he’s the man and unless they dump him in the finale, he’s almost a guaranteed bet for the win when he sees the finish. Screw Valv Piti, he shouldn’t even be racing. But if he is racing, I hope to God he gets dusted at the line.
If I just had one more gear, I...
MSR not comparable to Ardennes races
by R Mc on Apr 16, 2010 4:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That's not what I'm saying
I’m saying that it has more to do with Freire’s condition more than Valverde’s ability, at least in AGR, which isn’t as hard as the others. Freire’s ability is from another planet. And of course I know MSR and the Ardennes are different, I live right down the road.
If I just had one more gear, I...
I think the problem is as simple as % gradient on the Cauberg
Freire simply needs to be incredibly lucky to get to the base of it without any of the (many) better uphill/climb-sprinters.
Of couse, you would have to be a fool to tow Oscarito to the line
But, if Rabo can keep him up there when the attacks start happening, he’s got a fantastic chance at the win.
If I just had one more gear, I...
The thing about that is though Mr. Freire couldn't climb as fast as all of the other guys even if he was being towed to the line
and Gesink wouldn’t sacrifice his chances for a 10th place in the sprint so what would have to happen is F. Schleck would take out all the climbers with a slow-speed crash on the Cauberg and then Oscar would slowly go by.
Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!
by Vlaanderen90 on Apr 17, 2010 5:33 AM EDT up reply actions
If the man says he can win, you best believe him
Look, Freire has won too many huge races with the weight of his team and his country on his shoulders.
If he says he can win a race, I’d say only a fool would not believe him.
But Rabo have said every year that he can win it
Every time he wins Brabatse Pijl they talk him up for AGR and a few weeks later he’s a non-factor……..
I’m most likely a fool but I don’t buy it anymore.
No, this is not Rabo talking him up.
The man himself is saying it.
I see a difference between the two.
ha ha
Yeah.
Oscarito is doing quite well. It’s a bounce-back season for him. I’m very happy I put him on my VDS team. (Probably the only good move I made.)
But we know basically how the last 20 km of AMR will play out: The last couple of climbs will see serious attacks from several different climby guys and Freire’s only hope and strategy is to stay with the group and hope no one gets ahead. He needs to be towed to the line basically.
That won’t happen; it never does. Too much firepower in this race; too many riders who can climb fast for the win. Some will get away from Freire’s group and he’ll come home around 10th place. Maybe better since he is on form. But podium or win? Nah.
I had Garmin 2nd
right after Katusha.
[ducks]
"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen
by Chris Fontecchio on Apr 16, 2010 4:32 PM EDT reply actions
I would love to see Ryder do something
But I would also like to see Horner do something.
If I just had one more gear, I...
As much as I like Tondo and want him to destroy...
It think he needs longer climbs to be able to separate himself though he does have a good finishing kick on uphill courses.
Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!
Tondo has had an awesome year
CTT got a good deal when they got Tondo. If he could podium, that would be awesome. I look forward to him later in the year.
If I just had one more gear, I...
I would love to see Tondo
actually make it to the race. Isn’t he driving from Girona or something?
"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen
by Chris Fontecchio on Apr 16, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
yep. 1200km and all. and as to sastre and gustov, friday flights were cancelled. haven't seen anything further on their travel plans.
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
Vino won't be at La Fleche because he is at the Giro Trentino
but will do L-B-L, also it will be tough for Astana to set-up Bert at the bottom of the Cauberg seeing he will be frolicking over in Spain at that time. Katusha does look stacked, Ivanov for AGR and then J-Rod for the Belgian races.
Proud member of Thuggetz nation.
That was fun!
Can’t wait. And I do like me some pictures!
What happened to Sorensen? I missed that part.
Hmm, I like Gerrans a lot for these races, though he has no prior results. He’s also been on support duty. Interesting to see how he goes.
Also, Cunego says he still feels like poo from his nasty virus. So, Lampre may be pretty invisible, at least for this weekend.
and the car ride ain't gonna help
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
cool
they can break out the rollers. More of a challenge really.
"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen
by Chris Fontecchio on Apr 16, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
CAS crashed in Catalunya
Broken collarbone
Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.
by TheFigurehead on Apr 16, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks!
I totally missed that. Too bad, he was huge for the team last year at Liège. I’d also have expected him to be pretty key at the Giro, too.
CAS was supposed to go for the GC in the Giro
he is currently hoping to ride it but has adjusted his goals to perhaps being a factor in one of the third week climbing stages.
Valverde outsprinting Óscar...
Well, in País Vasco he won the first one only after a dodgy DQ, and in the 2nd sprint, there was dodginess too, only Óscar is too much of a good sort to complain (plus made his point elegantly about it)…
Here're a couple of those unfortunate real life getting in the way of bike racing events that might have an effect
Ivanov’s wife got knocked off her bike last week and ended up in hospital. She went home but returned to the hospital later that night. I’ve not seen any news since.
Franck Schleck’s wife gave birth to a baby Schleckette yesterday, little Leea (and yes, all the Star Wars jokes have been done already).
yuck
W/R/T Ivanov, I thought he looked nice and strong in Belgium, even though he wasn’t chasing results. He’s ready.
"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen
by Chris Fontecchio on Apr 16, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
ha ha
Has Franck got any other plans to have another kid, a boy called Luke? Haha… Does he have a TUE for athsma medication? Ha… Does that make Bjarne Riis like, the Emperor? Hah… Oohh…
well there is a man with dark helmet
that has a soon named luke. hasn’t he?
"I though, I’d better let this motorbike come by but when I turned around and looked it was Cancellara," - Bernhard Eisel
Read Andy's blog over at CN.
Frank stayed up all night when his kid was born, then hopped on the bike the next morning for a 5-hour training ride in the rain. Don’t think the baby is going to hold him back—Andy says Frank is “super motivated to race.”
If Cavendish was a diplomat, the third world war would have started a long time ago--Brian Holm
This
is one of the truly inexplicable aspects of sports. I can’t think of too many scenarios where I got to go for a five hour ride the day after my kid was born. I think if I had, by the time I came back the name would have been changed.
"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen
by Chris Fontecchio on Apr 16, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
We were all in awe of one of my teammates who came out for a Wednesday night ride two weeks after the birth of his first child
his wife let him out?
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
i am in awe
of the wife. I think. Are they still married?
"The road is our agony, but also our daily bread; and at night, when it is deserted and the moon glistens on the asphalt, the ridiculous dreams of racers like us pass up and down it."
--Dino Buzzati
And no doubt has his victory salute planned
I dread to think what it might be
I'm thinking of a Carlos Sastre-esque
a binkie and rocking the baby across the line
Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!
by Vlaanderen90 on Apr 16, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
or
mimicking the final stages of labor?
"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen
by Chris Fontecchio on Apr 16, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking of something involving
a laser pointer and a small teddy bear
He should aim at a 5 minute gap
So he can do a complete victory routine, showing the whole journey from you know what to delivery. I prefer interpretive dance here.
Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.
by TheFigurehead on Apr 16, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
best. thread. ever.
"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen
by Chris Fontecchio on Apr 16, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
cmon
We all know FSchleck lacks the bike handling skillz to do something like that.
"The road is our agony, but also our daily bread; and at night, when it is deserted and the moon glistens on the asphalt, the ridiculous dreams of racers like us pass up and down it."
--Dino Buzzati
I would like to read the birth report
I imagine it is something along the lines of it was an easy delivery, the baby just sort of fell out.
Thanks for the rundown. Let the re-ranking commence!
My take (because everyone was dying to know ;) ):
Saxo could be lower on the grounds that none has shown form yet, apart from Jens!
Omega Lotto could be higher because Phil Gil is one of the ‘A’ list favourites, and Peraud (in great shape) and Moreno are there as well as Jurgen VDB. Van Avermaet was climbing well at Tirreno Adriatico too, but I have no idea what happened to that form.
I agree that Sky should be higher, at least above Vacansoleil. No sign of Wiggins being a great help, though.
Androni Giocattoli and Aqua & Sapone could be decent if their big riders are actually there…
Quick Step, with Chavanel, Pineau, and Dries Devenyns aren’t that bad they need omitted completely.
Yeah Pineau is capable of top tens in all of the races really and Devenyns and Seeldraeyers are coming onto form
Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!
by Vlaanderen90 on Apr 16, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Pineau
and Chavanel both could do well with these races, assuming that’s why Lef held Chavanel out of Paris-Roubaix.
Well that was the only reason he gave, since it probably the only race where he could hang with the more climby dudes.
Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!
by Vlaanderen90 on Apr 16, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Not that I think he will be on top form by any means
but nice to see Wegmann racing again, maybe Milram can get an OK result with him. Sammu not racing makes as little sense to me as him solely focusing on the Tour GC does. I have no idea what’s gotten in to him this year but it’s not good. Anton is all of a sudden looking like the rider we thought he could be but the classics seem out of his range so as you said Ursula this team is doomed. Also, will Leaky ever allow Sagan to race again? I understand that in his rookie year they may not want to throw him into the biggest races but I think they should allow him to race at least one of these Ardennes.
Proud member of Thuggetz nation.
Wegmann should be good for later in the week though I think Knees should be the one leading them at Amstel.
Since he had a nice 10th place last year and can follow decently on the small climbs.
Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!
by Vlaanderen90 on Apr 16, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe so...He had no form at Catalunya and then he pulled out of P-V
Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!
by Vlaanderen90 on Apr 16, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
My best hopes
Chris- check out my sombrero- Horner
Robert- I’ll show Oscar- Gesink
Luis Leon – look at Valverde – Sanchez Gil
"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton
La txapela es un sombrero redondo sin copa.
What does that mean?
If your a redneck, it’s a sombrero.
"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton
Who knows, I just like typing txapela.
does it mean a txapela’s strictly just a flat sombrero? Txapela.
Txapela, just means "hat" yea?
The look of it is much like a sombrero without a crown? I don’t think it’s strictly a flat sombrero, no. But the txapela does have a tradition in Basque-town for being worn by the leader in a competition I think. Anyway, when in Basque country, do as the Basque do… TXAPELA!
"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton
No, Portugese ;)
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Iglinsky said in an interview
that the day of AGR is his birthday. He is motivated.
'Tis my birthday to so I am going to be channelling this to my VDS team so they won't embarrass me anymore
Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!
by Vlaanderen90 on Apr 17, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Katusha will win Amstel
Pozzato will win the sprint from a breakaway-group of three. I’m having a hard time seeing who the other two are in my crystal ball but I think Barredo might be one of them? Albasini too perhaps?
also missing, av and lulu
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
prediction: OmegaPhL wins 2 of 3
just not the biggie I fear. Oh well 2 of 3, that’s my story and I’m sticking to it.
I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it
whoa
no Valverde, no Sanchez…etc…maybe someone already posted this…
I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it
Why, did someone say that above? I didn’t see it, I did see it in the other thread afterwards though.
I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it
by plinytheelder on Apr 17, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Oi, the Saxo guys should drop a couple of places after today's performance
They just do not have the guys needed to make the race hard enough to take the sting away from the sprinters.
And the Schlecks do not seem to be where they need to be. Not that it matters, because they would still need Kolobnev and Kroon to help create a hole.



















