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Preview: Fleche Wallonne Feminin

Anyone who complains that it is logistically impossible to stage a women’s race on the same day and course as a men’s race should be sat down on a stack of back numbers of L’Equipe, beaten by big green PMU fingers then forced to listen to the Tour lion explaining how they manage to co-ordinate things so that the men ride up the Mur of Huy three times, the women twice and somehow in the middle of all that the publicity caravan makes a couple of trips too. That should all guarantee some pretty big crowds out on the course and notch up the atmosphere for the riders, even if there does turn out to be a fight for the TV motos.

The Fleche Wallonne is so called because, at least in the men’s edition, the course resembles an arrow, with the shaft running from Charleroi to Huy. OK the arrow may look somewhat floppy at the tip, but I guess that’s the way of Belgian arrows. Do you remember reading histories about fearsome Belgian archers? Thought not. The women’s Fleche dispenses with that shaft entirely, making the name even more risible, but apart from cutting off that flat run in from Charleroi it follows the men’s course exactly. I’ll say that again. Exactly. None of that skirting round the nastiest climbs that we saw in the women’s version of the RVV, the parcours is identical. Leave Huy for an 80km circuit including six climbs:

Km 38.5 - Côte de Peu d'Eau - 2.7 km at 3.9 %
Km 44.0 - Côte de Haut-Bois - 1.6 km at 4.8 %
Km 49.0 - Côte de Groynne - 2.0 km at 3.5 %
Km 55.0 - Côte de Bohisseau - 1.3 km at 7.6 %
Km 68.0 - Côte de Bousalle - 1.7 km at 4.9 %
Km 69.0 - Côte d'Ahin - 2.3 km at 6.5 %

Then it’s back to the Mur and off on the shorter, 29km, circuit which includes just one climb, the Côte d'Ereffe - 2.1 km at 5.9 %, before coming back for the final blast up the hill to the finish line.

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The Fleche Feminin was only raced for the first time back in 1998, but even so that last climb is such a selective beast that there have already been three three-time winners, Fabia Luperini, Nicole Cooke, and for the last three years Marianne Vos. Vos and Cooke return this year, and both must fancy their chances of getting a fourth win. Beyond them there are a few others who have a chance of sorts, but this really isn’t a race where you expect complete unknowns to appear from nowhere. Good outside bets, or to put it another way riders who can climb, can’t sprint, but might make themselves a lucky breakaway are Emma Pooley and Grace Verbeke. Not really the sort of names you expect to see called outsiders, are they. More likely to fill the podium are Emma Johansson and Claudia Hausler who did so last year (and who seems this year to be riding a schedule that even Lance Armstrong might find a bit light - I believe that this is her first race since last year's Worlds, and she only did Plouay and the Tour of the Ardeche between the Giro and then), and Judith Arndt who was there for every one of the preceding four years. And if Arndt doesn’t make it then HTC-Columbia have a second line of attack in Noemi Cantele who was fifth last year. No doubt the team plan is taken straight from Italy at last year’s Worlds, with Arndt and Cantele taking it in turns to attack Vos on the final climb.  Trixi Worrack of Noris is another who has form here with a couple of third places back in 2001 and 2006, but she doesn’t seem to have found her form so far this year. Russian Olga Zabalinskaya is still on the start list, despite her accident last week. If she really is riding then her form on the climbs at Cittiglio suggests that she has a very good chance. Here’s the full start list, courtesy of ASO, and clicking on from there will give you all sorts of other goodies.

TV coverage? I don’t know, but I hope that Verbeke’s win in the RVV persuades Sporza to film a bit more this time. But then again, who watches more than the last ten minutes of the men’s race.

That Mur timetable in full

11:30 start of the women’s race from Huy. Not on top of the Mur but close enough.
12:00 The caravan passes for the first time
13:00 The men come past for the first time on the way from Charleroi
14:00 The women finish the large circuit
14:30 The caravan returns
14:45 The women’s race ends
15:30 The men finish the large circuit
16:15 The men’s race ends.

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Watch Grace Verbeke preview the course

In original Flemish or dubbed into French. Sadly for the purists no sub-titled version exists, although you can console yourself by watching the video on Grace’s personal website which seems to be Flemish with Flemish sub-titles (seems to be. in this case, meaning that I don’t have the faintest idea what is going on). Odd, maybe, but it comes from that same evening where they dressed up Cav in the white suit.

by Monty. on Apr 18, 2010 6:36 PM EDT reply actions  

(Old) People from her (old) work

She worked at a retirement home (full-time cyclist since last year). At the end of the first video, she says: “Chance of winning? No. Less than at the Ronde van Vlaanderen because it’s a finish where you need to be very explosive and that means, internationally, a few girls are just better.”

by tedvdw on Apr 18, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

That makes a bit more sense now

although I’d be a bit unhappy if they’d filmed my granny in such a the-end-is-nigh-for-you style.

by Monty. on Apr 19, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you for this preview -

You’re going to have me following women’s cycling regularly if you keep this up!

by GreylockGrinder on Apr 18, 2010 7:24 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah agreed, nice work Monty

a small quibble, however: what about the great Edmond Cloetens? ;)

I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it

by plinytheelder on Apr 19, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

fixed target (large birds)????

Didn’t Emma Pooley once ride for a team called Fat Birds UK? Yea have the haruspices spoken.

by Monty. on Apr 19, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha!

(had to look that one up)

I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it

by plinytheelder on Apr 19, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha, take that zombie Maurice Garin

zombie Edmond Cloetens does pretty good race predictions

by Monty. on Apr 21, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok, its from 2007...

interesting all the same..I quite like the music.. :0)

I like bikes!!!

Bec*

by Bec on Apr 19, 2010 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent

but why is she holding that card in her hand the whole way?!

by tedvdw on Apr 19, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

The DS

for that year, Im assuming notes of some kind? Maybe course map?

I like bikes!!!

Bec*

by Bec on Apr 19, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Anna Millward (Wilson)

Thanks for the youtube clip. I’ve only been following cycling for a couple of years and its good to find out about some of the stars who have retired. There’s a good bit of info on her on Wikipedia.

by Cotman on Apr 20, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am all conflicted about this one

I mean, who to support, etc (I think I want Vos, Cooke, Pooley, Claudia and Grace V to all win, which is a pretty large podium…) and it sounds like such a great race, but that makes it worse that I won’t get to see it on tv, and it’s fabulous that it’s a Spring Classic that the women ride alongside the men, but it’s the last of the Spring Classics section of the WC, which I don’t want to end, and, and, and…..

Plus, I’ve got a big day at work that day, so I’ve no idea if I’ll be able to sneak online to find results… Heh!

But great description, as ever

by Sarah Connolly on Apr 19, 2010 3:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Sporza

Usually Sporza has a clip of the finish that they leave up for a bit, so you could see it after work :-)

by Jen See on Apr 19, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is Guderzo racing?

I would think maybe she could do something with this, though maybe it’s not enough climbing for her.

Vos for four. Gah, that would be crazy, but she’s hard to beat on a finish like this one.

by Jen See on Apr 19, 2010 6:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Dunno,

she tweeted today about having cooked enough for an orphanage while being home alone and not wanting to throw anything away. I’m afraid she might be too heavy now.

by tedvdw on Apr 19, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who, Vos?

So, now she weighs like 105, instead of a 100. Pounds, that is.

;-)

by Jen See on Apr 19, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, that's what that one meant

I got that she’d cooked for something, and she was alone, and had extras. But no way was I going to get orphanage!

by Jen See on Apr 19, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am sooo cheering on the TIBCO gals....

Love that the US has at least one UCI team over in Europe riding. Allez Brooke Miller!

by steph- on Apr 19, 2010 7:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Do HTC not count?

I can never tell who officially belongs where, but they’re part of the HTC-Columbia set-up, no?

by Sarah Connolly on Apr 20, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

HTC are technically German this year

the women’s teams run under UCI Conti rules, so that means that they have to register in the country whence they have the most riders. That makes Cervelo Dutch, Red Sun Belgian, Safi Lithuanian and Lotto must be almost South African.

by Monty. on Apr 20, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, interesting

UCI Conti rules are pretty crazy though – isn’t there an age limit on Pro-Conti teams, where most have to be below something? You’d think they could be more flexible than that for the women’s game

(Sorry…. what am I saying? The UCI are probably looking for ways to make women’s cycling more difficult! ;-) )

I guess if those are the rules I’m surprised more team aren’t Dutch….

by Sarah Connolly on Apr 20, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Age limit? yup

I don’t know if the UCI’s ever tried to enforce it, but they started being awkward towards the US men’s calendar last year so anything’s possible in theory. In practice the lack of proper paying jobs means that all but the very very best tend to move on after a couple of years.

by Monty. on Apr 20, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stef Wyman blogs on working with TIBCO

On Horizon’s website here (yes yes, it is a wordpress blog!)

(It is funny that he can DS for 2 teams at a time… but that’s the joy of a team on a shoestring – Horizon, I mean)

by Sarah Connolly on Apr 21, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

RedSun

I like to support the RedSun team and I’m hoping that Paulina Brzezna has a good race tomorrow.

by Cotman on Apr 20, 2010 4:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Results are up...

Stage Results
1. POOLEY Emma CWT 03:01:27
2. COOKE Nicole NGBR 00:00:08
3. JOHANSSON Emma RSC 00:00:08
4. VERBEKE Grace LLT 00:00:12
5. STEVENS Evelyn TCW 00:00:17
6. VOS Marianne ARC 00:00:22
7. GUDERZO Tatiana VAD 00:00:22
8. BERLATO Elena TOG 00:00:27
9. ARNDT Judith TCW 00:00:40
10. PATUZZO Eleonora SAF 00:00:42
11. LAWS Sharon CWT 00:00:44
12. VAN VLEUTEN Annemiek ARC 00:00:47
13. BRUINS Regina CWT 00:00:58
14. HÄUSLER Claudia CWT 00:01:04
15. CANTELE Noemi TCW 00:01:23
16. OLIYNYK Olena USC 00:01:23
17. DECROIX Lieselot CWT 00:01:28
18. PITEL Edwige MIC 00:01:31
19. MERMILLOD Eugenie ESG 00:01:31
20. CARRETTA Valentina TOG 00:01:34

Top picking on the Cycling Fever Comp Monty!!

I like bikes!!!

Bec*

by Bec on Apr 21, 2010 11:05 AM EDT reply actions  

High Fives across the hemispheres I guess

And remembering how complicated their scoring system is I guess that we picked exactly the same team. Who were your three who didn’t score? I had Ruth Corset, Olga Zabelinskaya and Tiff Cromwell. Corset crashed out a few km before the end, I assumed that Zabelinskaya would start because she was on all the start lists, but she may still be in an Italian hospital (and Regina Bruins never appeared on any, despite having a couple of decent finishes here before), and Cromwell was just a “who might the Aussie team be riding for” guess.

by Monty. on Apr 21, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

High Fives indeed!

I also had Ruth Corset, bugga she crashed out, I hope she is ok?! And Tiff Cromwell!! He-he.. My last was Loes Gunnewijk, who did not do so bad in 22nd spot.. missed a couple more points by a couple of places!! Nearly went Guderzo, but thought she had been a bit quiet, and may not have the team to back her..
I buggered up Dwingeloo..only picked 4 riders, life got a little out of control, and I didn’t have a chance to pick the remaining!
Great win for Pooley!

I like bikes!!!

Bec*

by Bec on Apr 22, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ooooh! Fantasy women's cycling?

What is this game? Where is it? can I play?

by Sarah Connolly on Apr 22, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here you are

http://worldcup.cyclingfever.com/ Pick twelve names for the races they’re scoring and get points if they come in the top twenty. Don’t ask me to explain how the points bit works.

by Monty. on Apr 22, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't remember now where I read about Ruth Corset

apparently she and Christel Ferrier Bruneau were both part of the lead group that got away on the final run-in to the Mur, then crashed at a level-crossing/railway line. Bart Hazen’s report over at the Daily Peloton suggests that she’s OK: Ruth Corset of TIBCO crashed hard today and was taken to the hospital, but seems to be OK

(I missed the first race at Drenthe, thinking that the competition only applied to CDM races, but my picks were so off on the other two races there that I doubt it would have made any difference)

by Monty. on Apr 22, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Emma's interview is superb!

The only in Cycling News here

I especially like

I went just before the S bend. I was supposed to wait for the steep section but I got impatient and was nervous I’d fall off my bike in the excitement, so I went a bit early

and


I had to take advantage of the steep section because my power is rubbish, it’s only my strength to weight that is okay

Hee!

by Sarah Connolly on Apr 21, 2010 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

It's interesting that Pooley was protected today

I thought that she wouldn’t be able to get a big enough lead on the tough bit of the Mur and would be caught by a dozen other riders in the last drag, not least her own team-mate Claudia Hausler. Is this a sop being thrown to her to make up for the fact that Hausler will be number one in l’Aude and the Giro? Mind you, I can’t see anyone coming anywhere near Cervelo in the Giro this year. They must have a pretty good chance of going for a clean sweep of the podium with one of Carla Ryan, Sharon Laws or Regina Bruins on the third step. Will they try for that and leave Kirsten Wild to fend for herself in the sprints?

by Monty. on Apr 21, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

She's at her best when it gets steep though

Hills where there aren’t too many people around, and they’re steeeeep seem like her ideal territory. Although she interviewed that she was surprisd she’d built up so much of a gap.

Mind you, the strength of that team, and their tactics, it looks like they had a rider up there for pretty much every posibility. What’s surprised me most about the World Cup so far is that they (and HTC) have taken so long to win one, all my predictions at the start of the season were gloomy, imagining a world where Cervélo and HTC were so damn strong no one else stood a chance…. well, that’ll be the stage races!

It’s interesting, because if they do go for a 1-2, or a 1-2-3, that’s the same kind of tactics as the men’s team on the cobbles… Sadly, I imagine they’ll give at least 1 rider to support Wild, but an all-Cervélo podium would be amusing, as long as it only happened once….

by Sarah Connolly on Apr 21, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus, Nicole Cooke! Back on the poduium where she belongs!

Emma talks in that interview about how she was so looked after by her team – and it sounds like Cervélo ruled that race – check out their super-high finishes for the whole team (that Ronde Van Drenthe tactic of hundreds of attacks works so much better on the hills) – but Nicole doesn’t have that strength of team around her.

Just amazing that her awful luck of the last year may finally be over – I’m having happy thoughts, imagining what she could do in a really strong team….

Oh, and Evelyn Stevens also had a great race

by Sarah Connolly on Apr 21, 2010 1:45 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm sorry for being overly over-excited...

but still!

British Cycling has a piece on the race, with Emma and Nicole describing how the race went for them here

The Emma P words are mostly from Emma’s interview on the Cervélo site here

by Sarah Connolly on Apr 21, 2010 3:52 PM EDT reply actions  

That British Cycling piece is interesting

How to stop Vos tactics taken straight from the Italian 2009 Worlds team. And yet Van Vleuten still managed to hang in with that front group.

by Monty. on Apr 21, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Nicole being nice about her team

Even though they’re all about 21, and definitely not in he same league as Lotto/Bloeit/RedSun in terms of providing support, let alone the big 2…

Oh, Monty, speaking of Lotto, that was a damn good call of yours re Grace Verbeke doing much better without Lizzie Armitstead, in your team intros…

(It’s going to be interesting to see who goes to ChingMing Island and what it means to the WC standings – it looks like both Grace and Marianne are riding Tour de l’Aude instead (can’t blame them at all) – but RedSun are down for both….)

by Sarah Connolly on Apr 21, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Grace Verbeke?

Actually I was wondering the other day whether I had got that completely wrong. Looking at the race results it seems odd that Lotto had so many 2nds and 4ths and the like, but after seeing a bit more TV coverage this year I may have been a bit unfair to Lizzie. Could it be that she was leading out Grace most times, even though she was a faster finisher, so had the energy to keep going to the line because Grace wouldn’t have been able to keep up with a full speed leadout? And beyond that does she still think that the move to Cervelo was a good thing? Does a regular pay packet make up for not getting to ride for herself? After all Grace has had a great start to the season, as has Elena Berlato who she beat to get the young rider’s jersey at the Giro last year, while Lizzie just gets to ride in the wind. Sometimes.

by Monty. on Apr 22, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno, Lizzie has had a weird season

I know a whole lot more about track than roads (and let’s face it, being a Brit, there’s so much more access to track info,for the women at least) and Lizzie seems to have had a weird 2010. She had that crash in Oman/Qatar/wherever it was, and then she’s had the track season – seeing as British Cycling sacked everyone except Lizzie from the endurance track programme (which I’m not complaining too much about seeing as Lucy Martin & Katie Colclough are setting themselves up for yummy contraacts on the roads) Lizzie had a lot to live up to. And silver in the omnium is great, I’m not dissing that, but she had a whole set of rather odd inteviews where she said she’s been ill and then was allergic to the hotel she was staying in, so she was happy wih omnium 2nd…

As far as I can tell she hasn’t been on the roads for Cervélo since her crash…. she still has a year or so for the Young Rider’s jersey, but when she interviewed after the Worlds, she intimated she’s not there for the Giro, and her next big ambition is the Wolrd Road Race, which just left me confused…

Unless she’s writing this year off as preparation for 2012? But Marianne has put her cards on the table as going all out on track for the next few winters for the 2012 omnium – and within the Brit track team, Sarah Storey (current paracycling everything champion) has been relatively vocal about the fact that she’s the 2nd fastest IP rider in the UK, but she’s not being selected for the team pursuit…..

by Sarah Connolly on Apr 22, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lizzie

I don’t think Lizzie needs to worry about a regular pay packet. Isn’t she getting a good wage from the British government as a member of their Sports Institute? I’m still waiting to see Jose Tomic make an appearance for Lotto. Surely she was Lizzie’s replacement.

by AdelaideFatboy on Apr 23, 2010 6:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think they earn about £20 - 25k/year from British Cycling

The idea is that the endurance riders also get paid by their teams – this is why the Sky HD additional sponsorship came in for the sprint team, as they don’t ride professionally. There was an interview with Jone of the sprinters about how Chris Hoy and Vicky Pendleton got aditional sponsorship/ad deals etc, but that’s only available to the highest-known people.

£25k isn’t a bad wage, of course, but it’s not superstar.

by Sarah Connolly on Apr 23, 2010 6:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

25K is a good wage

While Lizzie wouldn’t be earning anywhere near what Cameron Meyer (who is the same age) would be earning in Garmin. 25k + the pocket money she’d be getting from Cervelo would still be up there within the womens peleton, especially since the GFC happened.

by AdelaideFatboy on Apr 23, 2010 6:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Minimum salary

(why is that impossible to find in the rulebooks?) reportedly $38000 for ProTour neo pros in 2009. That was, what, €27500? Or about £25000 … Same as British Cycling pays the wimminz!

by tedvdw on Apr 23, 2010 7:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think that Cervelo are one of the few that pay the whole team.

elsewhere a lot of the infrastructure is kept afloat by various odd subsidies coming from national Olympic committees, either directly or indirectly. Not that anyone anywhere is making much of a living from it, but it beats working for a living. Ask Evie Stevens.

by Monty. on Apr 24, 2010 7:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nicole Cooke boyfriend

usually comes up as second option. It’s always a bit creepy seeing it there.

by Monty. on Apr 24, 2010 7:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

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