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Checking In On The Expensive VDS Riders

Virtual-ds-2_medium Back when Contador announced his change of plans for the spring (riding Criterium, Castilla y Leon, La Fleche, and LBL instead of Catalunya and Pais Vasco) I wondered what that would do with his VDS chances. I own Bert so I had a vested interest in him making max VDS points since some bozo priced him so damn high. Time has passed, now I know what happened and so will you in a minute as below I will list the most expensive VDS riders this year and how they are doing at this point of the year as opposed to last year at this time. Plus I'll throw in a bit of commentary on who's in deep ca ca and who's looking to outperform last year.

One point about comparing the years, or actually two: 

1) Yeah we have more races this year but I think for the expensive riders, these extra races will only make a very minor difference in their point totals since they rarely ride them and they don't give many points.

2) Last year Catalunya happened later than now but I will still include it in my comparisons.

Okay on to the list!

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The numbers in parentheses after the rider's name is his point total from last year. "Last year" means points he had earned up to this point last year and "this year" the points he's earned so far this year.

32 pointers

1. Alberto Contador (2222) last year: 861 points. This year: 828. Verdict: nothing to see here folks; move along....  Still on his way to 2000+ points and that doesn't include a possible Vuelta ride. He's doing fine and the just completed LBL showed just how much the rest of the field is scared of him.

2. Alejandro Valverde (2408) last year: 580. This year: 1184. Verdict: he's a weird one. Last year, Al had a deliberately slow start to his season as he thought he needed to save himself for the Tour. This year he's got that suspension thingy hovering over him so he isn't planning with the summer or fall in mind. This year its get as many points as possible ASAP-and that he is doing. 

28 pointers

3. Fabian Cancellara (1727)  last year: 0. This year: 980. Verdict: good chance in joining Contador in the 2000 point club. Last year he was hurt in the spring and didn't get on track till post-Giro. So with a 980 point lead, even without winning the Tour de Suisse, he should score near 2000 points and probably more.

4. Cadel Evans (1908) last year: 330. This year: 760. Verdict: so far so good. I still have a hard time predicting what races Cadel will score in and which will be like last year's Tour. But that said, there's a reason why he cost 28 points and that is because he scores a ton of points. The only reason he's not costing 30 points is that until now, he's not ben that popular. So ion a sense he's a bargain. He could well be another 2000+ rider this year.

5. Philippe Gilbert (1990) last year: 720. This year: 1280. Verdict: He has earned his way to elite status and seems on course for a 2000+ point season as well. In fact if Bert doesn't ride the Vuelta, Phil-Gil might be the year's highest scorer. Similar to Cadel he could have been priced at 30 points. He wasn't because folks weren't sure if he was really as good as his fall suggested. Sure looks like he is.

6. Mark Cavendish (1688) last year: 515. This year: 110. Verdict: Jury's still out.  It says right here that mark will meet last year's point total. I'm positive. In a way he's like Cancellara

24 pointers

7. Thor Hushovd (1560) last year: 1060 (includes 100 Catalunya points). This year: 550. Verdict: Solid but won't quite earn last year's final total. Last year after Catalunya almost all of his points came in one race: 490 points while winning the Green jersey. I don't expect him to defend that title this year and so he'll score less. However he might pick up points in the Worlds and maybe the Vuelta so all is not lost. In the end though he will probably come up short, the first one on this list who might do so.

8. Samuel Sanchez (1730) last year: 565. This year: 495.  Verdict: ???? My question marks are about where has he been the past couple of weeks. No Ardennes, no Romandie, nothing since Klasika Primevera. Other than that he's basically on course to repeat last year. If Contador, Sastre, and Valverde don't ride the Vuelta he'll be a possibly the main favorite too and so may exceed last year's points.

9. Edvald Boasson Hagen (1181) last year: 330. This year: 160. Verdict: All is not lost, owners of The Eddy. Yeah  he's been hurt, but if he comes back soon (read: NOW) he will still be roughly on course to match last year.  170 point deficit is nothing potentially for riders of this caliber. BUT, when he was priced, he had a young phenom surcharge added on (Mwahahahahahahaha!) because we do loves us young Nordic phenoms here at PdC. What that means is that for him to earn what other riders in his price range are expected to ear, he needs like 1750 points and not his 1181 from last year: he needs to improve, in other words. Not sure if he can do that with this injury.

10. Andy Schleck (1467) Last year: 650. This year: 280. Verdict: Concern is justified.  Not that he might be an outright bust but because with the lack of a team this year (relatively) his point total in the Ardennes plummeted. I'm thinking the next year or so will be very important for Andy and the rest of his career. He has elite talent but I wonder if he is disciplined enough to become a truly elite rider, up with the first five riders here and Boonen as well. I felt like his post-Tour schedule last year wasn't executed as well as it could have been and I am wondering if he is relying on Riis' tactics too much even when the team is changing under him. Basically I am saying that he needs to take control like Bert has and Lance used to do to be in the top, top level of riders and it remains to be seen if he has the drive (maturity?) to do that. Heh. Now the good news is that the last rider I called out like that was Cadel...

22 pointers

11. Tom Boonen (1525). Last year: 925. This year: 1065. Verdict: Looks on course to better last year. Chris has already discussed what Tom and Fabian might get here. I don't think he'll score 2000 (I give him a-ballpark-35% chance) but he'll likely (85% chance) exceed last year's totals, even if he doesn't win a damn race.  His mojo's back.

12. Denis Menchov (1610) Last year: 250. This year: 165. Verdict: Come back in late July.  Okay that's a tad flippant. I can easily imagine Menchov winning Romandie, doing, oh 6th at the Tour, and winning the Vuelta and that would land him around or above last year's total.  Basically the season's just begun for him. 

20 pointers

13. Tyler Farrar (1090) Last year: 65. This year: 675. Verdict: Ding ding ding! A couple things about the WW. First, this rider and not EBH was the guy who last year made the biggest jump price-wise to get into 20 pointer or above category. Second, like Cancellara last year, Farrar's spring in 09 was hurt by him getting hurt so comparatively most of his points this year are gravy. Definitely he'll exceed last year's total and it's not at all unreasonable to expect, what, 1500+ points, with 1750 not out of the question. Hell, I'll give him a small chance of him clearing 2000 (5%).

14. Damiano Cunego (1205) Last year: 625. This year: 260. Verdict: looking shaky.  The Ardennes is when The Little Prince basically opens his account on the year and he normally does it with a bang: usually not a win but high placings in all three events. This year? Two decent placings, though not really threatening in either race, and shutout in LBL. Not good. Lots of clouds around the guy: there's the Lampre investigation, plus there's the annual Grand Tour rider or (just) Classics specialist-with the added twist that he didn't do too good in the Classics either.  Hopefully all of this is a learning experience for him and he bounces back next year, but as for this year I kinda doubt that he's up for 1000 points unless he feels so good if/when he's vindicated that he rips the Vuelta.

15. Robert Gesink (1235) Last year: 260. This year: 245. Verdict: Its cool. Sort of like Menchov, he's brought along slowly by Rabobank. Unlike Menchov, Rabo wants Gesink to become an Ardennes stud. Not happening, at least yet. Did get a 4th last year at AGR, hurting himself in the process. This year three good but not great showings with only two for chump change. Still he's on pace with last year. I presume he'll race California which has been kind to him in the past before Suisse/Dauphine and the Tour and probably Vuelta. No reason why he won't match last year's totals and he might improve. My big question that I'd like to put tot the Rabobank Brain Trust is this: After Bobo's great Paris-Nice ride in 08, he's raced Tirreno-Adriatico twice and was an also-ran in both. Why did you yank him from P-N?

18 pointers

16. Pippo Pozatto (1215) Last year: 815. This year: 520. Verdict: Lady Luck looking elsewhere. Actually Pippo has more races that he's scored in this year. It's just that he's not quite been in the right breaks, not quite had the strength, not quite been lucky like last year and its cost him 300 points.  Bey, hey, maybe his luck will turn around though it would help if he didn't ride two Grand Tours. He would clean up if he concentrated more on the fall Italian races.

17. Alexandr Kolobnev (1045) Last year: 370. This year: 380. Verdict: The Maytag repairman of the peloton. One thing that you pay for when you buy an expensive rider is dependability. These guys rarely implode and have an awful year unless they are injured for the season. Such is what you get with Kolo here. Good dependable Classics scoring.

18. Heinrich Haussler (1065) Last year: 985. This year: 200. Verdict: Ouch. You just read that stuff about Dependability with Kolobnev. Haussler I think represents the main type of exception: a rider who makes a huge jump in results often falls back the next year. This is a truism in all sports. In think in baseball Bill James even measures this regression towards the mean. Yeah, Barbie's been hurt; that's just the thing. So is EBH. So is Cav. If it's not being hurt it's just bad luck or the race is more complicated like it is with Schlecket. I'm not saying he's pants; it's just hard to hold the new level and it happens to a lot of teams and riders. That makes Farrar's season that much more remarkable: he did the jump and has held it. Barbie can still salvage his season but, nope, he ain't scoring 1000 points in 2010. What should he be priced at next year?

19. Roman Kreuziger (1090) Last year: 10. This year: 355. Verdict: Year-to-year steady improvement. In 08 he scored 716 points. Roman's improvement has not ben meteoric, just constant. There's no reason that I can see that tells me that he won't break his point total from last year by a decent amount. 1500? Given the way he's increased his point totals I would say that's his outer limit of reasonable expectations. The real question is what year does he level out?

20. Andre Greipel (1055) Last year: 0. This year: 125. Verdict: Mentally strong. Here's another guy who was hurt last spring and so his points so far this year have been bonus. Of course he's had to deal with Cavendish both schedule-wise (so he hasn't raced the higher profile races) and mentally. To me he's come through pretty well. His big chance is the upcoming Giro, where he'll face all sorts of A-class sprinters. I'm looking at the proposed Columbia lineup now...his train...no Renshaw...he's got Goss, Albasini, Rabon, Sieberg, Lewis, Hansen, Siutsou, and Pinotti. They should form a decent train. I'll be rooting for him in the race, and rooting for him to switch teams next year. Next year: that will be the question for us VDS playas: buy him on a new team?

21. Franco Pellizotti (1044) Last year: 0. This year: 0. Verdict: Holy Lance! Is this guy Grand Tour focused or what?  Seriously, last year Jennifer Grey scored in exactly TWO races, the Giro and the Tour. That's it. Which is what Lance did too though in Lance's favor I felt he was trying to score when he got hurt.  At any rate, it's no surprise that Jen hasn't scored yet. 

16 pointers: do I really want to keep going? No, I got other things to do folks. Like listen to that dreamboat Chris on the radio. Like start to make the final Ardennes poll for tomorrow and a full season poll in a couple of days. But to sum up:

These riders are on their way to be great buys in that they are exceeding their expectations: 

Cancellara, Evans, Gilbert, Boonen, Farrar, Kreuziger, and maybe Greipel?

These riders look like solid dependable buys and could reach the top group:

Contador, Sanchez, Gesink, and Kolobnev

I'm not sure of:

Menchov and Pellizotti but they should be okay.

These guys are costing their owners:

Hushovd, EBH, Schlecket, Cunego, Pozatto, and Haussler with Cunego my early pick for biggest disappointment. 

And then there's:

Valverde. The longer he riders the more of a chance for him paying off.

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Bah, Andy

and bah Damiano.

But I knew that was risky when I took them. No fun in easy VDS points with Contador and Cav.

by Sui Juris on Apr 25, 2010 9:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Yah same with Andy

I figured why take Contador, lets try something else. So far a big bust.
My other big killer was just below the threshhold. Chavanel has really killed me. NO points. Unless he gears up for fall or something, that pick is my other big loser.

by Markk on Apr 26, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, and EBH

Definitely suffered from overpricing. It was like a pump and dump scheme!

by Sui Juris on Apr 25, 2010 10:07 PM EDT reply actions  

You can't prove anything

besides, I took him over Gilbert.

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris Fontecchio on Apr 26, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Andy will be fine

and Saxo will give him fine support for the stage races, yes the Ardennes team was inexperienced, but its not like he and Frank did all that bad, they just didn’t get the job done. Im new to VDS, so maybe Im not in the mindset yet, but im not dissatisfied with either of the Schlecks (having Frank on my team as is).

by agl on Apr 25, 2010 10:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Hoping my Griepel/Farrar sprinter mix works out...

…and picking Cancellara, while expensive just feels right – kinda along the lines of picking Voigt. I’d be a turd if I hadn’t done that.

It was a good read though. Thanks for the comparison check.

BTW, if Valverde does get suspended, any ideas what is gonna happen to his results this year? Assume they remain since the issue is from the past???

by JustJoshinYa on Apr 25, 2010 10:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Alberto has moved me into the top 400

unfortunately he is likely taking a one month hiatus now.

Proud member of Thuggetz nation.

by Phil H. on Apr 25, 2010 10:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't have Greipel

it’s rough

Proud member of Thuggetz nation.

by Phil H. on Apr 25, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's like me not having Cadel.... but I do have Greipel :)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Apr 25, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Phil, even your replies about who your team doesn't have hurt me.

The universe is just wrong if you don’t have Greipel. Next year we will make it physically impossible for you not to have him.

by ursula on Apr 26, 2010 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

ditto for conta. but i'm looking at that WW kid to get me points in the giro.

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Apr 26, 2010 5:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wouter Weylandt?

That’s faith.

If Cavendish was a diplomat, the third world war would have started a long time ago--Brian Holm

by majope on Apr 26, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh...my U-26 project really had backfired. Though I guess I shouldn't be too mad with

Kreuz and Gesink. I’m just not liking EBH right now…boy needs to do work.

Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!

by Vlaanderen90 on Apr 25, 2010 10:50 PM EDT reply actions  

I think you'll get some points from both

Kreuziger and Gesink before the season is up.

by Jen See on Apr 26, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Contador has the 3000 point ability level and this makes him the number one best buy.

No one has knocked Alberto off his value – Gilbert won Amstel, not enough.

I don’t agree with the idea that Cancellera and Gilbert are on their way – other riders will contest the remaining races and they might not point that much from here on out. Compelling arguments otherwise in the essay, but it’s bike racing and very chancy at all times. J-rod might be done, too, or he could win the Vuelta, it’s hard to foresee. Cancellara will probably kick butt, I imagine, not saying this to be contrary but to highlight the concept of fragility in bike racing. Cancellara and Alberto are great picks because of their certitude, if such a thing exists vs. other riders. Evans and Cav are maybe here, too.

Farrar is totally unpredictable, same as the beginning of the year. 20 was so much to pay for this emerging strongman.

VDS value only exists if the riders help their VDS teams – until further notice, Liege was totally VDS neutral, helping much the Boonen/Contador teams. It’s impossible to say if Leige will have ultimate VDS impact, but it didn’t today – top 5 riders were not on very many ‘Boonen’ teams, and if the Evans / Gilbert teams are gonna come forward, it is not yet.

Valverde remains very enigmatic and depressing. He should have won!

by rubesANdbabes on Apr 26, 2010 12:30 AM EDT reply actions  

The nice thing about Evans...

Is that while he doesn’t win a whole lot of races (though hopefully that is changing) he races at a high level, he races a lot, and he is usually there or thereabouts (last year’s Tour being an exception.) Wins are nice, but you can rack up a ton of VDS points from frequent top 5 finishes.

Cycling will always be a beautiful sport no matter how many people disgrace it.--Christian Vande Velde

by tgartner on Apr 26, 2010 1:03 AM EDT reply actions  

vds! my favourite topic

my team is barely in the top 300, only because of Bert.
what does that say about the rest of them, i have no idea.
now why did i drop Igor Anton in the last minute?! !

by rbjhan on Apr 26, 2010 1:09 AM EDT reply actions  

who is 14 above you? (couldn't resist)

anyway. pretty happy to have, tommeke, spartacus and tyler in the good choices. Not feeling good for gerro and don’t think he will get many points.

again: enjoying while I can. hauhuahauahua (evil laugh)

"I though, I’d better let this motorbike come by but when I turned around and looked it was Cancellara," - Bernhard Eisel

by perezbike on Apr 26, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't think Andy-owners should panic just yet

With a less intense spring I could totally see him getting more serious in the fall with a focused run at Emilia/Lombardia which are pretty much tailor-made for him. So his points-haul is mostly dependent on good fortune in the Tour.

by Jens on Apr 26, 2010 3:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Autumn classic?

Dont think AS has the motivation for Lombardia. Last year he is homesick before Worlds. He is still a kid

by ravel on Apr 26, 2010 6:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ja sure, but this spring has been ruined by small injuries

and he has raced less so there could be more motivation in the fall. Also I think a lot will depend on how the team-situation develops for Saxo. If Riis finds no new sponsor and the Schlecks are moving on in 2011 maybe they shut down after the Tour. On the other hand if they bring on a new sponsor at the Tour, who will take over after Saxo in 2011 no doubt they want to do well for them and then Riis could push his boys into a strong fall-campaign.

by Jens on Apr 26, 2010 7:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

For a complete analysis you'

Gerrie Kneteman: If a football player falls he shouts for his mother, if a cyclist falls he yells for his bike.

by Lopex on Apr 26, 2010 8:20 AM EDT reply actions  

For a complete analysis you'd need two additional elements

1)- Rider return = race points / VDS cost. I think your high cost riders need to bring in at least 70 to make your team a winning team. It will be a placeholder then with your lower-cost picks peaking into the 100+ territory. But secretley you’d want your high cost picks to reach the 85 barrier or even higher. That means a score of 2240 would be the minimum and you can start feeling happy when he reaches 2720.

cost nice happy
32 2240 2720
28 1960 2380
24 1680 2040
22 1540 1870
20 1400 1700
18 1260 1530

This means that imho only Farrar is among the riders that are almost guaranteed to be a joy-bringer this season. All the others still have something to prove. Farrar does look even better when we look at my point 2.

2)- Worlds
Was a climby classic last year and will be more of a sprinter’s affair this year provided they can go over a few climbs underway. That’s 350 points Evans will not see again this year. The same goes for Sanchez, Cancellara, Gilbert and Cunego. Sprinters like Cav, Farrar, Greipel, Hushovd and Haussler on the other hand are in for some major pointage right there.

In addition to that, the inclusion of smaller races does benefit some of the riders in the top-cost list. Greipel rules in little shit races and harvests loads of points there.

Because of the reasons outlined above I have only Greipel in the elite list of riders costing 18 or more. If only I would have chosen the correct under-18 riders this contest would be over already. Still my prediction is that the winning team this year won’t be heavy on 18+ riders….

Gerrie Kneteman: If a football player falls he shouts for his mother, if a cyclist falls he yells for his bike.

by Lopex on Apr 26, 2010 8:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Nice comment.

“if only I would have chosen the correct under-18 riders this contest would be over already.”

This is true, but nobody did this – there aren’t any perfect teams this year.

To get the best return on cost, you might choose a lot of Hincapies, guys with proven track record – you know he was gonna ‘return’ 50 points. However, to win the game a team kinda has to shoot the moon, and therefore rider ‘upside value’ is also a prime consideration – a lot of the top guys didn’t have much of this.

by rubesANdbabes on Apr 26, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you download the VDS Excel files of the last 2 years

And do the math. You’ll see a return of 50 points will get you nowhere near the top of the league.

Top rider prices were raised so their expected return dropped. That made the balancing act between consistency and shooting for the stars more difficult.

Gerrie Kneteman: If a football player falls he shouts for his mother, if a cyclist falls he yells for his bike.

by Lopex on Apr 26, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tony Martin could be biggest bust of the year!

This guy cant stay on his bike right now! He could be one of the biggest busts of the year along with EBH.

by ncmussell on Apr 26, 2010 9:59 AM EDT reply actions  

But Martin is showing form..

He is very young – if he wasn’t my team, it would be Pettacchi or Kreuziger, and I ‘like’ Martin more.

Still patient with Martin here.

by rubesANdbabes on Apr 26, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, he is young

and he had a rough winter. I wouldn’t give up hope on him, by any means. Very talented rider, but still has a few things to sort out, I think.

by Jen See on Apr 26, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look up "Bust" in the dictionary and it shows a picture of Sylvain Chavanel

I choose to blame this on Patrick Lefevre’s supreme skills in motivating the team…

WTF dude! ughhh, 14 points burned…

by JustJoshinYa on Apr 26, 2010 12:33 PM EDT reply actions  

ban hammer again!

by ursula on Apr 26, 2010 10:32 PM EDT reply actions  

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