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2010 Podium Cafe World Team Rankings At The One-Third Poll

Powerpoll_mediumYep, this is Official stuff here.  What you see is what the teams actually did-and there's some surprising results.

Before we get to them, a slight explanation is needed. The table below ranks the teams this year and last. Of course VDS this year lists more races so this isn't a perfect comparison. But its close because, as you'll see below, most of the new races are not contested much by the bigger teams: you have to go far down the table to see teams that are doing better than you might thing because of those Cat 6 races. 

Okay, on to the rankings! Actually I divided the table into three parts because with 54 teams, it's way too freaking long all together.

Table 1-The Contenders

2010 Post-Frankfurt RankingsPoints2009 Post-Frankfurt RankingsPoints
1. Astana 2513 1. Cervelo 3165
2. Saxo Bank 2506 2. Quickstep 3113
3. Katusha 2130 3. Columbia-HTC 2950
4. Rabobank 2089 4. Saxo Bank 2655
5. Omega Pharma Lotto 1790 5. Rabobank 2440
6. HTC-Columbia 1755 6. Silence Lotto 1955
7. Caisse d'Epargne 1734 7. Katusha 1835
8. Cervelo 1725 8. Astana 1567
9. Garmin 1705 9. Caisse d'Epargne 1474
10.Vacansoleil 1665 10. Euskaltel 1435
11.(tie) Sky 1620 11. Liquigas 1365
11 (tie) Liquigas 1620 12. Garmin 1135
13. Euskatel 1480 13. Milram 1110
14. Radio Shack 1460 14. Française des Jeux   860
15. Quickstep 1370 15. AG2R   695
16. BMC 1215 16. Lampre   690

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1. Astana

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So how did Astana get to be #1? Two things:

 

1) Astana gained almost 1000 points. Basically, Vino (475 points) + Gasparotto (320) + 2010 Iglinsky (685)= 1480, while last year's Leipheimer (190) + Kloden (196)  +  2009 Iglinsky (180) + Armstrong (0) = 566. 

2) The top three teams from last year all lost major scorers:

- Cervelo was down one Barbie (-785 points)

- Quickstep was down Devo, Chavanel, and several other scorers

- Columbia lost a bunch of riders to transfers.

 

Once we have a few year's data, it will be interesting to see how often teams cross the 3000 point line in the spring.

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Percentage of points won in cobbled races:

Astana-16%

Saxo- 53%

Rabobank- 32%

Katusha- 33%

Lotto- 48%

Columbia- 43%

Caisse d'Epargne- 5%

Cervelo- 61%

Garmin- 51%

Sky- 70%

Quickstep- 71%

I am remembering when Astana did not get a bid for Paris-Roubaix. management's reaction was basically, yeah we don't really deserve a bid but next year we will put together a solid cobbles team.  Maybe that's just idle talk but I don't think so. Considering how well they did in the Ardennes, this management I'll bet could, with the right riders, be a force on the cobbles. But really that reaction makes me wonder if they already know Contador is gone and they are looking to wards what they really like doing.

 

2. Saxo Bank

Percentage of points on cobbles this year: 53%. Last year: 21%

Pretty simple, eh? That's what getting Cancellara back , along with Schlecket not having a strong Ardennes campaign does for ya. Imagine if they could get both parts of their team firing in the same season. Hopefully we'll get the chance to see that. 

 

 

3. Rabobank

Reading Michael Boogerd's nationalistic comments in Velonation today makes me very happy that Teejay Van Garderen moved to Columbia. So what percentage of Rabobank's points this year are good 'ol Dutch points: 37%. Last year? 57%.  

 

 

4. Katusha

24% of their points came from stage races, 33% from cobbles Classics, 43% from other (Ardennes plus Big Mig). Pretty balanced. Now can they translate this into Grand Tour success? Buying Giampaolo Caruso helps with that. He was 12th on GC in 2006.  Three VDS teams have him. 

Best rider acquisition of the winter: J-Rod-780 points or 434 more than last year. Close second: Evans-760 points or 430 more than last year.

 

5. Phil Gilbert, er, Lotto

One man teams: the rider who scored the highest percentage of points for their team: 

1) Tornado Tom Boonen 78%.

2) Phil-Gil 72%

3) Green Bullet 69%

4) Fletcha 47%

5) Horner 45%

With Evans (330 points last year) and Van Summeren (240) gone, this team is down 205 points. Now they hope that De Greef (Giro), Moreno and Van Den Broeck (Tour) and whoever is standing (Vuelta) can make up for Evans.

 

6. Columbia

 

Number of points scored in 2010 by former (2009) Columbia riders who left the team: 770

Number of points those same riders earned in spring of 2009 with Columbia: 1580

 

Still, Columbia is down 1195 points from last year. We see that the departed riders scored 1580. Who made up the slack, especially with Cavendish being down 365 points too? A little bit here and there:

Greipel +125 (remember he was injured last year)

Eisel + 185

Sieberg +150

Rogers +275

Plus a little but here and there. I am disappointed in Peter Velits though as he's down 130 from his Milram days. 

 

7. Caisse d'Epargne

The death watch continues...while Uran, Rui Costa, Cobo, Lulu, and Rojas are all stuck with donkey work.

 

8. Cervelo

Last year, Glorious Heinrich Haussler scored 985 spring points; this year just 200. Add this 785 points back on to this year's total and you get 2510, or three measly points out of 1st place for the second year running. They're just one Barbie short of a return to dominance.

(Yes, you could also blame the difference on Thor's 510 point drop but then again Hammond scored a lot more points, and Bos and Tondo are new to the team and, why are you trying to ruin such a neat little narrative anyway?)

 

9. Garmin

And, yeah, Garmin's 600 point bump is due to the Wenatchee Wonder staying healthy this year. 

Riders hurt last spring with their point bumps this year:

Cancellara- 980

Horner- 650

Farrar- 610

Freire- 480

Greipel-125

 

 

10.Vacansoleil

Point gains from last year to this:

1. BMC- 1135 (Evans, Hincapie, and Kroon)

2. Vacansoleil- 975

3. Astana-946 (Vino, Gaspa, improved Iglinsky)

4. Garmin- 570 (WW)

Considering that BMC bought all its team leaders this year, Vacansoleil is the team that improved the most this year while using basically the same lineup. Their highest profile acquisitions last winter, the Feillu brothers, so far haven't scored a point. Everyone who has scored has been with the team for two years now.


 

11. (tie) Sky

Points this year: 1620

Points last year by the same riders: 2225

 


11. (tie) Liquigas

 

Number of riders who have scored this year to date:

Liquigas- 19

Columbia-12

Rabo, Katusha-11

Saxo-10

Sky, Vacansoleil, Cervelo-9

Lotto, Euskaltel-8

Caisse, Quickstep-7

Astana-6

BMC-5

Columbia always wins this. Usually only Saxo rivals them (and used to win it before Stapleton had fully taken charge). And, yes, five of these Leeky riders scored their points in a TTT. That Liquigas is currently blowing away the field to me speaks that they will could have deep teams for all the Grand Tours. Note that Jen Grey (Pellizotti) has scored zero points this year (like last year). Basso has scored only 15, Szmyd 0, Nibali 80.   If they win the Giro they could start quite a roll that lasts the rest of the year.  This team could move up fast.

 

13. Euskaltel

This team is remarkably consistent. It stays right around 12th-13th-14th place all year long and have done so for a few years now. The names change some (no Astarloza but Anton has finally regained his 2008 form) but the team stays even.

 

14. Radio Shack

As noted above, Chris Horner has 45% of Radio Shack's points. Remarkable. If you look at the birth dates of the CQ top 100 point earners of the year, you see Horner is the 2nd oldest rider: only Jens! beats him and only by 36 days. Next oldest is Robbie McEwen, 8 months and 1 day younger than Horner. Hincapie is 20 months and Garzelli is 21 months younger. Petacchi's a babe at 2 years and 2.5 months younger. 

 

15. Quickstep

Their 1,773 point drop is the biggest from last year to this. Amazingly, Boonen actually gained 140 points year-to-year. So where did the drop off occur? You really need to ask?

Devo: 565 to 0 

Chavanel: 618 to 0

Pineau: 285 to 0

Van Impe: 240 to 0

Seeldrayers: 120 to 0

Davis: they lost him to Astana and he hasn't scored there either. That's a 250 point drop.

That's gotta hurt. So why did this occur? Lefevere's ranting? Nah.  Quickstep's fall from grace happened from the beginning of the year. Quickstep has been a solid top 10 team for the past several years and usually gains the most points on their home surface. Lefevere's been the same as far as I can tell. Why would so many riders fall away the same spring? Honestly I have no guess here unless Boonen's cocaine connection has moved on to the rest of the team. (I am kidding there folks.)  Any educated guesses would be appreciated.

 

16. BMC

Since I did it for Sky,

Points earned this year: 1215

Points earned by the same riders last year: 1365.

The only points BMC earned in the spring of 09 were by now departed Tony Cruz: 60 points at that Scheldeprijs McEwen-induced crash fest.

Call it a wash, even with Ballan out of commission. As an aside I think that BMC is entirely wrong to suspend Ballan and Santambrogio and if the riders had any sort of union they'd be riding still.

 

Next table is full of low level Pro Tour teams and medium high level Pro Continental teams:


2010 Post-Frankfurt RankingsPoints2009 Post-Frankfurt RankingsPoints
17. Cofidis   970 17. Vacansoleil   590
18. Bbox   895 18. Skil Shimano   485
19. Acqua & Sapone   880 19. LPR   415
20. Lampre   850 20. Landbouwkrediet   350
21. Androni   753 21. Acqua & Sapone   330
22. Topsport   710 22. Bbox   315
23. Milram   642 23 (tie) Fuji Servetto   300
24.Landbouwkrediet   615 23 (tie) FAgritubel   300
25. Francaise des jeux   570 25 Serramenti   296
26. CSF   495 26. Andalucia   210
27. AG2R   480 27. LSE   185
28. FLM   390 28. MCO   180
29. Skil Shimano   305 29. Cofidis   118
30. ISD   280 30. Xacobeo Galicia   100
31. De Rosa-Stac Plastic   215 31. BMC    80
32. Footon Servetto   195 32.(tie) Elk Haus    50

 

 

17. Cofidis

I'm thinking that this is the first team that really benefited from the new Cat 6 races. 610 of their 970 points came from Cat 6's. All of Keukeliere's, Duque's, Minard's,  were earned in Cat 6 races. But what about the teams in the top chart? Any of them benefit much from Cat 6's?  Here ya go with some info:

- Astana got 125 points at Trentino with the Vino win as he prepped for LBL.

- Cervelo (115), Caisse (100), BMC (15), HTC (70), and Lotto (30) got their points from a couple very early Cat 6 races when it looks like they were just trying to find races to practice in.

- Rabobank (80), or Brown got his points in one early season race plus Nokere Koerse.

- Liquigas (350) benefited the most, mainly by having some of their younger riders winning races. 

It appears to me that the Pro Tour teams use the Cat 6 races to tune up. These aren't races for them to target (obviously) and pretty much they don't use these races to rack up cheap wins.

 

19. Acqua & Sapone

335 points behind the last team in the top table, I'm guessing that they will overtake Cofidis and at least one of the teams in the top table. Last year Garzelli scored 640 points in the Giro, and Francesco Masciarelli added another 175. Who will they pip for the top table?  Probably not BMC with Evans in the Giro. Probably Quickstep, 490 points ahead of Soap & Water, gets the hook. 

 

20. Lampre

Of course this team might make it to the top table too. To do it though, Petacchi and Cunego need to come through. 

 

21. Androni Giocattoli-Serramenti PVC Diquigiovanni

...Has an outside chance as well. Scarponi, Serpa, Leo Bertagnolli, and Ginanni all could win stages and Serpa could have a top 10 GC placing. 

 

 

32. Footon Servetto

Average age: 24.41

Some other teams:

Columbia- 26.8

Liquigas-26.9

Euskaltel-27.54

Garmin-27.67

Rabobank-28.48

Sky-28.53

Astana-28.9

Saxo-29.04

Caisse-29.11

Katusha-29.2

Radio Shack-29.92

 

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Finally the teams that have one or two lucky finishers, usually in Cat 6 races. 

 

2010 Post-Frankfurt RankingsPoints2009 Post-Frankfurt RankingsPoints
33. Boubet-Siper   180 32 (tie) ISD   50
34 (tie)  An Post Sean Kelly   170 34 (tie)Topsport   40
34 (tie)  Saur Sojasun   170 34 (tie) BCS   40
36. Xacobeo Galicia   160 34 (tie) LSE   40
37. Bretagne-Schuller   130 34 (tie) VMC   40
38 (tie) Miche Pro Cycling Team   110 34 (tie) Palmeras Resort Tavira   40
38 (tie) Carmiooro-NGC   110 39 Amica Chips   30
40 (tie) Roubaix-Lille Metropole   100 40. Rock Racing   20
40 (tie) Cafe de Colombia etc.   100 41 (tie) CSF   10
42. Burgos 2016 Castilla y Leon    80 41 (tie) PSK Whirlpool   10
43 (tie) BigMat Auber 93    70 41 (tie) Verandas Willems   10
43 (tie) Seoul Cycling Team    70
  
45. Drapec-Porche Cycling    55
 
46 (tie) Tabriz Petrochemical    50
 
46 (tie) Jayco-Skins    50
 
46 (tie) CEP    50
  
46 (tie) Vorlberg Coraltec    50
 
50. Palmeras Resort Tavira    30
  
51 (tie) Adria Mobil    25
 
51 (tie) Asian Racing Team    25
  
51 (tie) Fly V Australia    25
 
51 (tie) Geumsan Ginseng Asia    25
  
55. Azad University Iran    15
56. Team NetAPP    10

 

34. Saur Sojasun

And this team is non-stop whining about not getting a Tour invite? Sweet Creamery Butter! You gotta at least try to earn it! 

 

36. Xacobeo Galicia

Which rider from this last table is the best? Here are your choices:

- Zeke Mosquera

- Jimmy Casper

- Jure Kocjan

- Nico Eeckhout

- Przemyslaw Niemiec

 

- Cedric Pineau

55. Team NetAPP

Below is Daniel Schorn. Study it. He's the only rider from this team to score.

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via 06.live-radsport.ch

Okay. I'm done. I need a nap. 

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that confused me too for a second

Each team has a relevant fact/list that isn’t just about the team being discussed. ie Evans, Katusha.

"Some people are like slinkies - not really good for anything but they bring a smile to your face when pushed down the stairs."

by jsallee00 on May 1, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent!

It’s like finding the creamy center of a beautiful donut.

by ursula on May 1, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah that threw me for a minute..

long enough to make the unretractable comment… It’s somewhat out of context.

by Christopher See on May 1, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

how ever did you do this w/o falling asleep?

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on May 1, 2010 7:56 PM EDT reply actions  

where is AC points in Astana?

by virandociclista on May 1, 2010 8:53 PM EDT reply actions  

32.9%

At the moment, Astana has 4 riders earning hunks of points thus making it harder for one rider to dominate the others.

by ursula on May 2, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Getting back in time a little.

We discussed a lot in the off-season about the transfers. Some opinions/impressions:

Katusha’s J-Rod, free from being Piti’s workhorse, is living up to the expectations. Winning races or being a factor. Perez says: I like it.

Cadel, definitely not rainbow cursed, is providing BMC good visibility and I would dare to say, seems a better rider this year. Probably the best hiring of the season. Perez says: I see GT success coming (if could only focus on Giro/Vuelta double instead of the tour)

Liqui, loaded with stage racing talent, is not imploding yet. Maybe because we didn’t have any GT yet. Instead they are winning with a lot of different and young riders. If they continue managing well their team they will definitely go up the rankings. Perez says: Cuddos.

Columbia is definitely the looser of the transfer season, for me. It could have worked out, but it seems they have put all the eggs on Cav’s basket and with his troublesome beginning of the season it is not paying out. Perez says: bah Haitch TC!

What about Horner being the leader of the shack? Kloden and Levi are pretty invisible and LA looked fat at the Gila TT. Are they on stealth strategy to rock the tour? I don’t really think so. Perez says: what they showed until now will not put them anywhere near the podium in the Champs Elysees.

The sky is the limit? With Eddy healthy, maybe. Wigans, Lofvkist and Gerrans are invisible so far. John and Paul say: (Money) Can’t Buy Me Love.

Cervelo keeps being solid despite the injuries. I like Tondo, Sastre, Babie, Thor, the KoS As a team it is one of my favourites. Perez says: I wish I had more guys for CTT on my VDS.

"I though, I’d better let this motorbike come by but when I turned around and looked it was Cancellara," - Bernhard Eisel

by perezbike on May 1, 2010 10:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Good stuff perez

especially love the Sky one

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on May 2, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

thanks for the compliment folks

I appreciate it

"I though, I’d better let this motorbike come by but when I turned around and looked it was Cancellara," - Bernhard Eisel

by perezbike on May 2, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm wondering

I understand why the teams in the lower ranges of the ranking scored more points than last year (cat-6 all the way), but why did the top-10 teams score so much less? Probably has to do with the level of competition rising? Good news I’d say!

What we do does not define who we are. What defines us is how well we rise after we fall.

by Lopex on May 2, 2010 1:38 AM EDT reply actions  

rider transfers. different race schedules. injuries. etc.

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on May 2, 2010 4:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sky, BMC and Radioshack

    Skimming riders off other teams and when not scoring points, their off season activity had the effect of weakening other teams.

Bicycling is the nearest approximation I know to the flight of birds. Louis J. Helle, Jr.

by flying dog on May 2, 2010 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Regression towards the mean

First, I apologize for the lack of words. I more just wanted to throw these numbers up for reference later in the year and in future years.

So to answer your question, notice that the top 2010 team, Astana would be only #5 last year. Also notice that the #16 team in 2010, BMC would be #12 last year. So this year’s top 16 is way more compressed than last years’. To go even further, you find that this year’s #22 team, Topsport, has more points than last year’s #16 team.

So, yes, the level of competition is rising. As flying dog says, Sky, Radio Shack, BMC-and also Katusha still-skimed off a lot of the top talent to keep a couple of teams from running away for their competition.

by ursula on May 2, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

This analysis clearly explains the ranking of my French leaning VDS team

by Willj on May 2, 2010 3:34 AM EDT reply actions  

also

hutarovich of fdj didn’t even win our cyclosportive yesterday ;)

by yeehoo on May 2, 2010 4:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

great event!

for some reason i wasn’t expecting much from this one and kinda didn’t want to bother going. Turns out it was gorgeous roads most of the way – and all new to me. Green, flowers, great countryside – varied terrain – 2600+ meter denivelĂ© – and for some reason i didn’t really believe that – but at the end i believed it. 160 km – i actually suffered more on this one. (and he didn’t win on purpose, by the way. – or is that what fdj always does?)

by yeehoo on May 2, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow big ride

well done

what was it called?

by Willj on May 2, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

La Lazarides

Out of Cannes. There’s a great one every week this time of year. Each town or good sized cycling club seems to organize one. Last week was La Louis Caput – little more climbing – really beautiful. Before that the Antiboise. Next week is Nice-Fontan-Nice (with lunch in Fontan) and then the Vençois, then a week off and then the Laurentine thing. June 5th the Bosses du Soleil (col de turini). I guess they try to get them all in before it gets too hot. My first year to do them – really fun.

by yeehoo on May 2, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

sounds awesome, wish I could take part

I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it

by plinytheelder on May 2, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

sounds great

i would like to have more of this around here

"I though, I’d better let this motorbike come by but when I turned around and looked it was Cancellara," - Bernhard Eisel

by perezbike on May 2, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, cyclosportives are great

I did one here a couple of weeks ago, but there won’t really be anything else like it until fall, I think

I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it

by plinytheelder on May 2, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

La Laurentine Kivilev

Guys

Why not spend late May bank holiday in Nice and ride La Laurentine Kivilev, accompanied by a few local pros who won’t try to win the race? They generally just keep the leaders company. The entry forms are on the club site in French and English http://www.stade-laurentin-cyclisme.com. There’s plenty of inexpensive hotels nearby and it’s sure to be a great ride. In addition, you’re welcome to ride with the club on Sunday. If you want anymore details, I’m happy to oblige.

by Orbea Girl on May 3, 2010 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, I would think "French leaning" about covers it.

As we went over the top, Frank Schleck said to me, 'Don't worry, follow my wheel, it'll be OK.' But the first corner, he crashed, he went into a ditch....For two years now I've had to explain why I'm bad at going downhill because of that day.--Robert Gesink

by majope on May 2, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

You know what I like about this? there are lots of little tidbits to chew on. :)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on May 2, 2010 3:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Great stuff!

But I do think you missed one of the older riders when you say Horner is 2nd oldest in CQ’s current top 100 ranking…I’ll give you a hint: he’s one day younger than Jens! and I think you’ve probably heard of him.

As we went over the top, Frank Schleck said to me, 'Don't worry, follow my wheel, it'll be OK.' But the first corner, he crashed, he went into a ditch....For two years now I've had to explain why I'm bad at going downhill because of that day.--Robert Gesink

by majope on May 2, 2010 9:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Ah

We are looking at two different lists, you and I. Armstrong is in CQ’s current top 100, but not in the 2010 top 100. I was looking at the later.

by ursula on May 2, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Silly me!

I was looking at the list you linked, not the one you meant.

As we went over the top, Frank Schleck said to me, 'Don't worry, follow my wheel, it'll be OK.' But the first corner, he crashed, he went into a ditch....For two years now I've had to explain why I'm bad at going downhill because of that day.--Robert Gesink

by majope on May 2, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry if I offended you.

Here’s the link to the 2010 list if you want to edit it in.

As we went over the top, Frank Schleck said to me, 'Don't worry, follow my wheel, it'll be OK.' But the first corner, he crashed, he went into a ditch....For two years now I've had to explain why I'm bad at going downhill because of that day.--Robert Gesink

by majope on May 2, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

So much work!

Oh, okay.

Thanks for noticing ;)

by ursula on May 2, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good thing they pay us the big bucks!

As we went over the top, Frank Schleck said to me, 'Don't worry, follow my wheel, it'll be OK.' But the first corner, he crashed, he went into a ditch....For two years now I've had to explain why I'm bad at going downhill because of that day.--Robert Gesink

by majope on May 2, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

This full blown nerd battle is intriguing

please carry on.

Quitter's People United member # 42

by Phil H. on May 2, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's not a battle

It’s a massacre! Majope is totally kicking Ursula’s **** ;-)

What we do does not define who we are. What defines us is how well we rise after we fall.

by Lopex on May 2, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep. I concede.

She usually kicks my ass so this is par for the course.

by ursula on May 2, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't be silly. I am far too kind and gentle to kick anyone's asterisks.

However, I refuse to take all the blame should someone wander into my path when I happen to be swinging my foot.

As we went over the top, Frank Schleck said to me, 'Don't worry, follow my wheel, it'll be OK.' But the first corner, he crashed, he went into a ditch....For two years now I've had to explain why I'm bad at going downhill because of that day.--Robert Gesink

by majope on May 2, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

[wondering]

how much worse can Milram and AG2R get?

Are the Moo-cows really in the tighter spiral, or does it just look that way in the springtime?

by JFS_PGH on May 3, 2010 1:29 AM EDT reply actions  

I think they haven't been that bad...they just aren't scoring VDS. They have been in breaks and animating stages

plus they have 5 wins this year, most of which were against decent competition, so I think that they will be able to get about 10 more. I know they are trying for 25 but I really do not want the Moo-cows to be left out next year. Gotta stick up for my German brothers.

Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!

by Vlaanderen90 on May 3, 2010 3:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

+0,5

Plus Ag2r are really all about the GTs/bigger stageraces so I suspect they will be starting their season right about now. Nocentini who has saved their spring for a few years had a horrific injury so they lost out on that this year.

by Jens on May 3, 2010 3:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

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