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Giro Gossip: Mountains of Unusual Size

Giro GossipIn this edition: There will be suffering.

The waiting is over, the sprinters have had their final chance to play, it’s on to the high mountains and the finale of this year’s Giro d’Italia. Could this race have been any more fun? I’m having a hard time imagining how. Really, I’d like it to go on forever, but that might be too much of a good thing. Also, the riders would get tired, and apparently, that would be bad. So, we will have to content ourselves with three more days of Giro. And what a three more days it will be. Savor it, my friends, the Giro only comes once a year.

Am I the only one who is a little sad to hear the words "final sprint stage of this Giro?" What? It’s almost over? Well, no doubt a few of the sprinters are, you know, the ones who didn’t win anything. André Griepel had a narrow escape this Giro, and very nearly went home empty-handed. The German came into the Giro feeling under the weather, and struggled to find his legs in the opening stages. He watched as his lead-out Matthew Goss out-rode him and celebrated victory. Finally after surviving the mountains and the two and half weeks of hard racing, Greipel finished first. The win must come as something of a relief to the German, though everyone knows that the Giro is just one of those "little shit races" anyway. Cavendish still looks likely to lead HTC-Columbia at the Tour, but Greipel has increased his chances of finding a new team for next year. Waiting is hard.

But basta with these sprinters and their petty problems. We have mountains, very large mountains. Tomorrow’s stage climbs the Aprica not once, but twice. It also includes the Trevigno, which isn’t what you’d call easy at 11 kilometers, 7.6% average gradient. The Trevigno includes a section of 14%, just for funsies. Warning! The descent off the Trevigno is very fast and technical. Technical descending, Basso’s favorite. Maybe the blue hat will give him secret super powers.

Star-divide

Directly following the descent from the Trevigno comes the ascent of the Mortirolo. The Mortirolo is one of those beastly climbs, long, steep. The average is a measly 10%, nothing to worry about there. No, really. Maximum gradient? 18%. Kid you not. The final switchbacks to the summit wall up so steeply as to block out the sky. The final kilometer lasts forever on the Mortirolo. The descent down the north side of the Mortirolo is a tricky business. Finally, it’s back up the Aprica, a 14 kilometer climb. The Aprica is relatively gradual for much of its span, except for André Greipelthe 15% bit. The steep section of the Aprica is near the bottom, and the gradients relax as the finish line approaches. I’m not sure anyone will notice by then, for there is nothing easy about the profile of this stage.

Last time Basso raced on the Mortirolo, he escaped on the climb with Gilberto Simoni. Simoni, no slouch when it comes to descending, claimed later that the two made a deal at the top of the Mortirolo. Simoni would wait on the descent, Basso would not sprint at the stage finish. Well, that worked out well, as we all remember. Basso attacked Simoni on the final climb and won the stage solo. Gibo, he had the last laugh, and called out Basso as a doper on live television. Ooh là là, I could smell the tension from here in Cali. Simoni also later disparaged Basso’s bike handling, saying that the Smiling Assassin descended like a sack of potatos.

Hopefully, Basso has learned from the mistakes of the past. Drugs are bad, mmkay? Also, it’s a bad idea to make a deal on the road, if you’re not actually going to honor it. Such things lead to bad feelings and name calling. Not that I ever object to a little name-calling on live teevee, mind you. It does add that extra zesty goodness to the proceedings. And Basso will need his best descending skills. The Mortirolo is a tricky descent. So too is the Trevigno. Weather reports predict dry roads for tomorrow, which is about the only easy news about this stage.

Evans and Basso have traded off mountain stages in recent days. Basso got the best of Evans by 1:19 on the Zoncolan, while Evans took back 30 seconds on the Plan de Corones. Thirty-six seconds separates the two riders in the general classification. Of course, to win the Giro, they both must find a way to dislodge David Arroyo who still leads Basso by 2:27 and Evans by 3:09. Though he conceded time over the past two mountain stages, Arroyo clings barnacle tight to the Maglia Rosa. The Spanish climber also has a strong team to defend his hopes. Evans must surely be envious. No doubt Liquigas will have a plan. Hopefully for them, it won’t turn out like that l’Aquila thing did.

Looking further down the classification, Carlos Sastre is at 4:41, which puts him 2:20 behind Basso and 1:32 behind Evans. Unless he suddenly finds good legs, he is unlikely to overtake Basso or Evans, though stranger things have happened in this Giro loco. Vincenzo Nibali sits sixth at 4:53, and is likely to play the team rider for Basso. Nibali got to play in Asolo and got his stage victory. Now, it’s time to work.

On the subject of Liquigas, the sponsor has decided to continue its support for the team for two more years. Apparently, the company considered ending their involvement after the Pellizotti news broke, but have since decided to continue. Both Basso and Nibali have contracts for the next two years with the team. The collabo between the two Italians has run notably smooth this Giro, with few obvious signs of tension. Nibali is an ambitious rider, who has not hid his impatience. At the same time, Basso is plainly on good form in this Giro, and seems not to be the sort of rider to inspire backstabbing. Just ask Simoni. Joking! Anyway, at least for now, Nibali looks likely to play his role, just as he did on the finishing climb at Pejo Terme where he rode tempo for Basso in the finale. Press reports also suggest that Nibali may skip this year’s Tour de France, where Basso will lead the team, and take on the Vuelta a España for a high overall finish.

But the Vuelta, that’s like forever from now. Tomorrow we have a big mountain Giro Gossipstage, and a close general classification battle. Little wonder that Italian television is showing the stage from end to end. No, my friends, I will not be watching the entire stage. A girl has to sleep, you know.

There are always a thousand scenarios for a mountain stage like this one. But more often than not, turns out to be a rather simple business as the succession of mountains do the work of whittling down the field until only the strongest riders survive. Though largely out of the general classification battle, both Michele Scarponi and Damiano Cunego have shown good climbing legs in recent days. Either could prove a useful ally to Basso or Evans in a play for the overall. They are the jokers, these two Italians. Alexandre Vinokourov in seventh at 5:12 would have to do something crazy to ride back into the Pink Jersey race. With mountains like these, crazy doesn’t seem totally out of the question.

If tomorrow’s stage isn’t enough for you, Saturday brings the Passo di Gavia with a finish on the summit of the Passo Tonale. Weather reports are iffy for the Gavia. Snow and wind, and there is some concern about the descent if the weather is poor. Just ask Bruekink how fun that descent can be in bad weather. The organizers have drawn up an alternative stage, that includes an ascent of the north side of the Mortirolo, which the race descends on Friday. Everyone will be hoping that the back-up plan proves unnecessary. For those who would like to play along at home, La Gazzetta has a list of webcams for the mountains.

Tomorrow, we will have bike racing! Such a Giro it has been so far, and it’s far from over just yet. That’s all from me for now. I’ll be back tomorrow afternoon for more chitty chat.

À Presto!
Gav.

Thanks to the FigureHead for the Podicci with Hat graphic. Griepel photo is courtesy Giro d'Italia. Thanks Giro press people.

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I'm convinced I don't need to watch viddy anymore

Just come here afterwards. Plus, we have Podicci here.

In all seriousness, I could see Evans giving Basso trouble on the descent of the Motirolo tomorrow if they come over the top together. Evans, he can go downhill pretty decently and was definitely better than Basso on the day Nibali won (even when Evans said he was “disgraced” at how he descended). Mmmm, I love a GC battle tight enough to inspire demon descents.

by Douglas Ansel on May 27, 2010 4:42 PM EDT reply actions  

That descent should be quite good.

The Mortirolo descent is silly fun to watch. Can’t wait can’t wait! Is it tomorrow yet?

by Jen See on May 27, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Note to boss

Friday morning I need to go sit somewhere quiet where I won’t be disturbed, to work on, hmm something “monumental”. I’ll need my laptop and internet access.

"Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" - Fausto Coppi

by muk on May 27, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Mortirolo"

Does anyone know the origin of that name? I am convinced it’s etymologically connected to the word “murder,” and have taken to calling it the Murderolo in my head.

by Chris Fontecchio on May 27, 2010 4:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Ha ha

Works for me. I always think Death By Rollos, which makes no sense at all. Except that it’s funny.

by Jen See on May 27, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

yah

those things will kill you.

by Chris Fontecchio on May 27, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

i sort of picture it as

getting beat about the head and shoulders by a huge stack of those little sticks. Maybe?

by Jen See on May 27, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

If that's death

maybe I’m all turned around on the subject.

by Chris Fontecchio on May 27, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Truly

It’s the absurdity of it all. A silly steep climb and a funny looking candy bar.

by Jen See on May 27, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you defending Greipel?

He sucked at the Giro and proved Cavendish’ point.. 4 and 6 GT stages from Cavendish vs 4 and 1 GT stage of Greipel.

by Frinking on May 27, 2010 4:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Nah

Not taking a side in that battle. Just saying, Greipel must be happy cuz he got a win after a tough Giro. Results always are good if you want to change teams, which I think he almost certainly does.

by Jen See on May 27, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

let's cut him some slack. he was sick

and when you are racing around practically naked on a bike in the cold & rain for 2 weeks it is difficult to recuperate. I’m just sayin’.

by ZoeRochelle on May 27, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

ja

I don’t think the Giro is necessarily a good measure of his talents. Hard to race good sick.

by Jen See on May 27, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

he deserves a hell of a lot of credit for still being in the race, I think

"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK

by civetta on May 27, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, props to him.

He hauled his ass out of the fire today. He’ll be back.

by ELVISGOAT on May 27, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's a big difference between winning less than Cavendish

and being bad.

I think it’s obvious, given past results, that this year’s Giro failure what simply a one-off of epic proportions.

http://www.bah.net/

by dees ees en drama on May 27, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone who saw Greipel's acceleration today

and believes it was the same as stages 1-2 should be slapped.

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by Phil H. on May 27, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Dean the guy who just about rode Farrar off his wheel earlier in the race

on the tricky run in for Farrar’s last stage win. He isn’t a slouch but when you beat him by a good 2.5 bike lengths then your doing pretty damn fine. Also, at least he made it this far unlike Farrar who seems to be copying the ’ol Cipo pull out.

Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!

by Vlaanderen90 on May 27, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not fair

Greipel has no role at the Tour. Farrar might be Garmin’s most important guy, until VandeVelde is healthy. Not the same.

by Chris Fontecchio on May 27, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It's not about who he beat

he couldn’t even beat guys like Brown early in the race, his acceleration today was far greater than the other sprint stages. Would he have beaten Farrar with the speed he had today? Who knows but it would have been closer.

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by Phil H. on May 27, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is an interview on CN where Greipel said he lost 3 kilos in the first week

which would come straight from his muscles/sprint

Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!

by Vlaanderen90 on May 27, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most likely eating a shit-load of food...It isn't hard for riders to gain weight coming out of the Giro

if they are not on the front all the time. i.e. Danielson gained like 5 kilos in the Giro last year and Vandevelde gained weight in his ’08 Giro which said helped him for prepping for the Tour.

Or something Mark Renshaw tweeted at last year’s Tour saying on Ventoux stage he ate something like 15 bars or some crazy amount like that

Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!

by Vlaanderen90 on May 29, 2010 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would guess that a lot of it is water

Which still could affect his sprint.

"i just see giro and get all spazzy" - Gavia

by TheFigurehead on May 29, 2010 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cav would have quit this race even before Farrar did...

No chance of a jersey and only one real sprint stage after all this suffering. I give Greipel props for remaining in the race so he could take the shot at this win. Good for him!

by JustJoshinYa on May 27, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm...let's say Basso and Evans seriously gap Arroyo on the Murderolo.

Does Basso try to put in a few seconds (which he would surely like) on Evans, risking losing them all on the descent? (Cause if they start the final climb together, they will probably finish it together). Or does he figure all he has to do is keep his 42 (not 36) second lead till Verona? How much time would Basso need on Evans to hold onto some of it on the descent? A minute?

Bettini was quoted as saying Evans should just stick to Basso and try to pick up time bonuses at the end. He thinks Evans will gain no more than 20 seconds on Basso in the ITT. But of course, someone like Scarponi or Cunego or possibly even Vino could mess with that strategy.

The final stage will be truly Shakespearean: Two Gentlemen from Verona.

by OMJ on May 27, 2010 6:08 PM EDT reply actions  

With the weather predicted for the Gavia...

The Tempest could be more appropriate.

Bunch of slack-jawed faggots around here. This stuff will make you a god damned sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me - Jens Voigt, Predator (1987)

by tenchu on May 27, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too bad

Mad Matti Breschel isn’t in the house to go all Hamlet on someone’s ass.

by Chris Fontecchio on May 27, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Basso and Evans crest the Mortirolo together

which, I have to say, I’m not sure will happen, I think Evans gaps Basso on the descent. Then… It’s a battle between them on the final climb. Both will have to ride to win on this stage, there is not enough space left in the race for calculating.

Howevs….

I don’t think Basso and Evans will be at the top of the Mortirolo together. Not sure why I think that. I just do.

by Jen See on May 27, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could it be

because Evans has shed his own blood all over the highest, steepest roads of Europe? If Evans follows Basso up the Mortirolo, Basso is in deep trouble, because once they get over that sucker the advantage is mostly to Cuddles. Depending on what they wind up doing Saturday, of course.

by Chris Fontecchio on May 27, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh, yeah

Though, the final climb isn’t entirely easy peasy. So, it’s possible that Evans chases Basso back on the descent only to lose it again on the final climb. Still, I don’t think it’ll play that way. One of them is going to be gone by the top, methinks.

by Jen See on May 27, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

indeed

If Basso doesn’t drop Evans, it’ll be because Evans is crazy strong and probably unbeatable. And if Basso does shed him, well, there will still be cards to play.

How much time you reckon Basso needs going into Sunday to hold off Cuddles? I’ve been using 1’ simply because it’s easy to type.

by Chris Fontecchio on May 27, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Truthfully?

No idea. Could go either way on the day. Evans should be better, but we don’t know until the day how tired he will really be. Also, how long is that thing? It’s relatively short, isn’t it? Sorry, looked at it a long time ago now. Anyway, I really suck at that kind of predicting, and generally don’t bother ;-)

by Jen See on May 27, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently, Bettini thinks Evans won’t gain more than 20 that in the final time trial. Odd, since Evans got 21 seconds on Basso in Stage 1.

At the 2009 Vuelta:
Stage 1 (4.8 km): Basso by 1"
Stage 7 (30.0 km): Evans by 41"
Stage 20 (27.8 km): Evans by 54"

In my head, if Evans is with 15" of Basso, he’ll win. If he’s 1’ or more behind, he’ll lose. I dunno how accurate that is, but that’s what I’m going with.

http://www.bah.net/

by dees ees en drama on May 27, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he lost 41 in 30km

it would make sense that he would lose 20 in 15km.

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by Phil H. on May 27, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

54 in 27.8km is the more relevant number

But 20 in 15km probably makes sense anyway.

http://www.bah.net/

by dees ees en drama on May 28, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

You also have to add in...

the arc of the rider’s form. Who’s on rising form, who’s barely hanging on? That often tells more than who is considered the crono specialist in the pair.

by Jen See on May 27, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

And that's the big wild card

This year’s Giro has been so brutal that the riders’ legs must think it’s already stage 25 or 30. I’m inclined to believe that Basso’s overall form is better, based on the Zonc. From what I’ve read on PdC, Basso seems to have a reputation for improving throughout the course of a grand tour.

http://www.bah.net/

by dees ees en drama on May 28, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

not only that

Evans can struggle a bit at the end of a GT.

Remember the 2007 and 2008 Tours, where he didn’t TT to expectation? Leipheimer almost caught him in the 2007 Tour, and he didn’t peg nearly enough back on Sastre in 2008.

As I’ve said elsewhere, though, I’d love for him to come through for the win.

by Drongo on May 28, 2010 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

My vote: Basso

Hard to cross my fingers for him though. Maybe the smiles or the hat will prove decisive for the terrible one.

by RoadRash911 on May 28, 2010 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have to say

all this talk about “bad weather” and “gavia” is very confusing. This is someone who surfs 150 days a year.

by Chris Fontecchio on May 27, 2010 6:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Evans vs Basso

Quick poll about tomorrow’s stage: who will get the best of the Murderolo?

1. Basso will step on Cadel’s dog

or

2. Evans will crush Basso’s head

by Chris Fontecchio on May 27, 2010 7:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Ha!

That’s almost worthy of a poll of its own. I just want to know what happens to the hat?

by Jen See on May 27, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

basso

i’ve come to think that it’s his year. good for kreuz too, especially if nibali skips le tour- hard to see basso recovering fully from this grande giro.

"I was watching the Tour de France in 2005, just being a fan again. I thought, ‘you're a fucking idiot. You're a bike fan who gets to ride the Tour de France.'"
- david millar

by Ben Shave on May 27, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

The plan to send Nibs to the Vuelta is intriguing.

Agree, though, on Basso. Not sure what he’ll have left.

by Jen See on May 27, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Certainly

to his VDS owners. And I have him in the Eds league.

by Chris Fontecchio on May 27, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree with all of that

Kreuz must be pretty happy, I would have thought.

"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK

by civetta on May 27, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep..

can work for him on the bike and at the negotiating table.

"I was watching the Tour de France in 2005, just being a fan again. I thought, ‘you're a fucking idiot. You're a bike fan who gets to ride the Tour de France.'"
- david millar

by Ben Shave on May 27, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

basso steps on whatever that thing cadel has

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on May 28, 2010 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mountains of unusual size?

I don’t think they exist.

But if they did, I think Evans will find them hard hard hard. It’s no fun being your own domestique because all the real ones are in the grupetto. After three weeks it catches up. Basso has had the rails run his Giro, and while I think Evans is the stronger rider, I think the Mortirolo will tear Evans apart. If Evans makes it to the final stage with 40 seconds in arrears I think the Giro is his. I doubt he will, though.

by Runitout on May 27, 2010 7:02 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

agree on the team thingy

Evans has a hard two days ahead of him, and both Caisse and Liquigas have the legs to cause him all sorts of trouble.

by Jen See on May 27, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not so sure.

Basso’s team advantage is lessened in the mountains. Cadel is certainly capable of riding behind any train Liqui/CdE put together. Once things turn steep, he can do the same.

Basso’s true advantage comes if and when he gets some separation on Cadel. His teammates (assuming any are still with him) can pace him up the final climb.

Alternatively, Liqui can send Nibali out on another flyer up the killer climb. With his descending abilities he could be a threat to leap frog Cadel (especially if Cadel is caught in traffic on the descent). This would be my strategy. It might not kill Cadel tommorow to chase Nibali, but it’ll sure hurt him for Saturday.

Cerca la qualita in Giro

by pigilito on May 27, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not that the team will 'gang up on him'

It’s more that Basso has benefitted from being protected by his team, whereas Evans has had to fetch his own bottles and deal with the stress that flying solo creates. That saps one’s energy – and in the crucial moments up an 18% slope after 3500km of racing, that is enough to be the difference between winning with style and cracking completely.

I really want Evans to win this. I’ve always been a bit ‘meh’ on him, but he’s shown tenacity and strength like no other rider in this race. He’s earnt a GT win, and I also want his stage win on the strade bianche to get the importance it deserves – and that will only happen if he wins the whole thing.

I think today or tomorrow, he will crack – but I do hope that I am wrong.

by Runitout on May 27, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd be surprised to see Evans crack more than a little...

But I also can’t see him riding away from Basso.

 My scenario (and this is pretty much wishful thinking) is—small gaps between Basso-Evans-Scarponi-Nibali on the steep climb, those four come back together on the descent, then Scarponi muscles up the final climb to win the stage by a few seconds, followed by Nibali, Evans, Basso.

Cazzo, it's going to be a bloodbath! The Mortirolo is a horror, absolutely interminable. -- Michele Scarponi

by tgartner on May 27, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wrong about Evans

Right about Scarponi.

Cazzo, it's going to be a bloodbath! The Mortirolo is a horror, absolutely interminable. -- Michele Scarponi

by tgartner on May 28, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great now I will be stuck looking at webcams instead of sleeping tomorrow

oh and not all extraterrestrials are dopers Gav, please be careful, when more of Basso’s kind come to Earth we want it to be more like “ET” and not like " The War of the Worlds".

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by Phil H. on May 27, 2010 7:11 PM EDT reply actions  

No point in sleeping

Italian TV goes live at, what, 2am Pacific? I’ve already told my boss I am sick tomorrow.

by Chris Fontecchio on May 27, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

End-to-end, baby

Heh, I think I don’t have that kind of endurance.

by Jen See on May 27, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

The first 119 km are like a sprint stage

I rather sleep 8 hours and then enjoy it right from when the action begins. This isn’t a one day race, I’ve gotten up early for 3 weeks now and am also fatiguing like the riders, life’s tough some times.

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by Phil H. on May 27, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha ha, quite.

I’m feeling rather sleepy, myself. I’ll strive to wake up fairly early, but certainly not for the start. That’s just silly talk.

by Jen See on May 27, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

and gav is so against silly talk

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on May 28, 2010 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

totally!

bike racing is serious!

by Jen See on May 28, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

midday?

easy.

"I was watching the Tour de France in 2005, just being a fan again. I thought, ‘you're a fucking idiot. You're a bike fan who gets to ride the Tour de France.'"
- david millar

by Ben Shave on May 27, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why did I not pull a sickie?! Waaaaah!

It sucks to be at my desk today with no hope of seeing anything :-(

"A mountain is not an obstacle, it is an opportunity" - Robert Millar

by Albertina on May 28, 2010 5:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

ET

I think Basso and his Big Blue Hat would like very cute riding in a bicycle basket. Do you think his finger glows at night?

LOL, and no, I’m not making a doping thingy. Just having some fun with the hat. Well, that and the scene between Basso and Simoni was priceless. Just wish I’d known how to record it at the time.

by Jen See on May 27, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

A glowing finger

which zaps his teammates and makes them work at the front of the peloton.

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by Phil H. on May 27, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Surely it is

his teammates always look a tad frightened when they are pulling so hard up a climb..getting zapped by aliens kinda sucks.

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by Phil H. on May 27, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh

I think I won’t ask any more question about this phenomenon.

by Jen See on May 27, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Simoni would wait on the descent, Basso would not sprint at the stage finish.

So how it should of work? Should of they cross the finish line holding hands?

When you climbing and feeling f@#$&^ pain, it is good! It is mean that you still f@#$%# alive!
( from my DS pep talk, long, long, long time ago.)

by holmovka on May 27, 2010 7:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Ha Ha Chris! I am too slow tonight, I just got it. Ha Ha

When you climbing and feeling f@#$&^ pain, it is good! It is mean that you still f@#$%# alive!
( from my DS pep talk, long, long, long time ago.)

by holmovka on May 27, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

In calcio

there is endless male hand-holding.

by Chris Fontecchio on May 28, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

precious, no?

I think the idea was that Simoni would help Basso gain time on gc, while Simoni would get the stage victory. But really, that made no sense at all, since by then, Basso was winning by like several days. Anyway, Simoni felt ill-used when it was all said and done.

by Jen See on May 27, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isn’t such agreements devalue stage win?

When you climbing and feeling f@#$&^ pain, it is good! It is mean that you still f@#$%# alive!
( from my DS pep talk, long, long, long time ago.)

by holmovka on May 27, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

They are relatively common

and sometimes aren’t spelled out. But yes, I do prefer to see them race it to the line.

by Jen See on May 27, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know it is common practice. But I always hated those so call " compromises" when I was racing.

When you climbing and feeling f@#$&^ pain, it is good! It is mean that you still f@#$%# alive!
( from my DS pep talk, long, long, long time ago.)

by holmovka on May 27, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

Can’t say I love them, though I don’t get especially outraged by them, either, you know? Would prefer if they go for it, but I get that sometimes, there are deals on the road.

by Jen See on May 27, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

there are harmless versions of this

Voigt gave away a (Giro?) stage once because he was only in the break to protect a jersey and hadn’t worked, and I have no problem with something like Armstrong not sprinting for a stage with no bonus seconds at the Tour as long as Basso worked on the climb (that is how I remember it at least). It does rub me the wrong way though when riders try to purchase stages, like Kreuzinger trying to buy a Vuelta stage last year from Roche (that backfired hehe)

by Nomer on May 28, 2010 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

wrong irishman (deignan, not roche)

not surprisingly, i disagree that roman tried to buy that stage. (i also don’t remember anyone at the time suggesting that he did. i just recall discussion about the fact that he (roman) went too early, given his non-existant sprint.)

by discolite on May 28, 2010 4:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

i seriously never knew that!

god, that’s awful! i stand corrected. well, sit, actually.

by discolite on May 28, 2010 6:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

2006 Giro, Stage 19

and Juan Manuel Garate was the one that earned it. Great interview with Jens! in the June 2010 Road Magazine that touches on it.

by Sui Juris on May 28, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

certo

that deignan thingy was hysterical, by the way.

by Jen See on May 28, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

heh

don’t ever go to a post-Tour criterium.

by Chris Fontecchio on May 28, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Contador outsprinted Cavendish fair and square

what the hell are you trying to imply?!!

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by Phil H. on May 28, 2010 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Scenario: The 'rolo breaks everyone but Nibs, Basso and Cadel, and they go over the top together

Evans manages to hang on to the shark’s wheel, and they both put time into Basso on the descent. On the next climb, does Nibs just stay on Evans’ wheel, or if he’s feeling good, does he work with cadel and try to better his GC position? Or if he’s feeling really good, does he stick on Evans wheel, and then 3k from the top, try and win the Giro?

Lots of “ifs” but I would love to see something like this happen.

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by PopUp Rolen on May 27, 2010 8:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Interesting scenario, but I don’t think they can put to mach time on Basso on descent.

When you climbing and feeling f@#$&^ pain, it is good! It is mean that you still f@#$%# alive!
( from my DS pep talk, long, long, long time ago.)

by holmovka on May 27, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

would be cool to watch..

but i don’t see evans & basso together at the top, and i definitely don’t see nibali with either of them..

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by Ben Shave on May 27, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nibs and Evans?

Ooh là là. Nibs sits on and takes the stage win. Maybe he tries for a gap, but I think with one more mountain stage to go, Nibs plays the loyal team mate tomorrow, and tries to force Evans to drag him to the line. If, in fact, they are together.

by Jen See on May 27, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

no way Nibali attacks Basso when he is over a minute behind Evans

that is just asking to lose the Giro, and he has already worked for Basso in the past and he would probably be attacking the virtual maglia rosa by the top of the motirolo. Besides Nibali still has two years at Liqui as does Basso, now if it were Kreuz on the other hand…

by Nomer on May 28, 2010 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are you people, completely wrote off Vino and Carlos? I didn’t see them in any of yours scenarios.

When you climbing and feeling f@#$&^ pain, it is good! It is mean that you still f@#$%# alive!
( from my DS pep talk, long, long, long time ago.)

by holmovka on May 27, 2010 9:42 PM EDT reply actions  

I never write off Sastre.

And it’s possible that he is the one who is over the Mortirolo in front. He’s a very unpredictable rider in his own way – you never quite know what he’s thinking. Also, Vinokourov is a wildcard. I guess I have some doubts about Vinokourov on the steep slopes of the Mortirolo.

by Jen See on May 27, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would write off Vino

I think his dance is done.

Sastre has lost time on all of the important stages. I think tomorrow is better for him than today. If I were him, I would target one day for a glorious stage win. Alas, I am not him, and cannot hope to pedal as fast as he can, one legged, up a climb.

by Runitout on May 27, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I could easily see

Sastre or Vino going early on the Motirolo, and basso and evans riding up together. Its not likely to happen though because Basso likes to go constant up the climbs so he wont just sit there waiting for accelerations

by d rod on May 28, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

would be ideal for Evans

if he could anticipate and mark the accelerations of one or the other and then ride off, he has to drop Basso quick if he wants to gain time on the motirolo itself and not just the descent

by Nomer on May 28, 2010 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tomorrow is a terrible day

for me to have a meeting all morning. But there’s always Saturday!

by Katiek on May 27, 2010 9:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Ack!!!

That’s just so wrong. On-demand viddy for you :-)

by Jen See on May 27, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

"work? that's what next week is for."

Isn’t that what you sad yesterday?

When you climbing and feeling f@#$&^ pain, it is good! It is mean that you still f@#$%# alive!
( from my DS pep talk, long, long, long time ago.)

by holmovka on May 27, 2010 9:52 PM EDT reply actions  

While it would be a bummer to cancel the Gavia

the alternate route may actually be better for Leaky. While the Gavia is 10km longer than the Mortirolo it isn’t as steep and could help Arroyo or Cadel. The Mortirolo may be better suited for Basso(14.8km at 8.4%). Here is to hoping this doesn’t happen but at least Zomegnan is making sure we are getting two mega mountain stages.

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by Phil H. on May 27, 2010 10:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes

The alternative sounds like a great stage in its own right.

by ursula on May 28, 2010 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

what are the odds Arroyo holds on to the overall?

1%? considering he loses so much time in Verona to Cadel alone in the TT? I’d be impressed if he stays on the podium, it is going to be a great race for the bottom step.

by Nomer on May 28, 2010 2:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Greetings again from Qatar

Basso has to dump Evans before the finale. If not, Basso’s gettin’ worked over at the finish. Also, I don’t see him holding off Evans on the descent, Evans has some bike handling skills. The TT? Evans takes 20-30 secs out of Basso easy. Evans FTW, he’s been the strongest and would deserve it.

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by SpunOut on May 28, 2010 5:57 AM EDT reply actions  

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