Pretty Awesome: An Interview with Emma Pooley of Cervélo TestTeam
In just over a week, British climber Emma Pooley of Cervélo TestTeam won three races in three starts. First, she conquered the Mur de Huy for her first Flèche Wallonne victory. Then, in rapid succession she won the Grand Prix Elsy Jacobs with an attack from 20 kilometers out, and the GP de Suisse, a 23.4 kilometer time trial. Pooley is best known for her long breakaways. "They’re my trademark," she says, and in her typically self-deprecating style adds, "I really don’t have a sprint."
During the 2009 season, Pooley’s attacking style netted her four world cup wins. She also won two stages and the overall at the Grand Boucle Féminine Internationale and the British national championship in the time trial. With her strength against the watch and climbing talents, the 27 year old Pooley is made for the hilly stage races, and she finished fourth at the 2009 Giro Donne, while supporting Cervélo team-mate Claudia Häusler who won the general classification. "In women’s cycling we don’t really get paid much, we do it for the love of the sport. You have to really want to help your team-mates," said Pooley of the team dynamic at Cervélo.
Below the fold, Emma Pooley talks about winning Flèche Wallonne, about long breakaways and why they sometimes succeed, and about what it’s like to ride for one of the biggest teams in women’s cycling. After Flèche Wallonne, what comes next? Let’s find out.
Though Pooley is best known for her solo breakaways, her victory at Flèche Wallonne came after a day of hard work by her Cervélo team-mates. "It wasn’t really my work. The team did an awesome job," she said. The narrow winding roads on the way to the Mur de Huy invite the attackers to try their fortunes. "Cervélo made sure no one got away," explained Pooley. Her team also made sure that Pooley had a safe ride near the front of the bunch. In 2009, the British rider crashed early in the race and never
made the finish. As the finale approached, Cervélo switched their tactic and went on the offensive. "Cervélo attacked in the final 30 kilometers one after the other to tire out the other teams," she explained. By the final climb, the lead group numbered sixteen riders.
The team delivered Pooley safely to the bottom of the decisive climb. "The climb is so hard, you aren’t sure what will happen," she said of the Mur de Huy, which lasts about four minutes. Flèche Wallonne is won and lost on this climb, of course, and Pooley admitted that she felt "a lot of pressure." Once she reached the Mur de Huy, Pooley attacked close to the bottom of the climb and quickly opened up a gap on second-placed Nicole Cooke and the rest of the field. "My team-mates made the others really tired," she recalled. "It’s never easy, but it was easier," she added. Pooley said she trained plenty of hills in preparation and plainly, it worked. What did she think of winning Flèche Wallonne? "It was pretty awesome, really," she said laughing.
Though Pooley is happy to have won a "famous race" at Flèche Wallonne, her favorite memory of her career so far came in 2008. Riding for the British national team, she finished second in the time trial at the Beijing Olympics. "It was an amazing feeling to stand on the podium at the Olympics," she recalled. Pooley hadn’t expected a medal in Beijing, which made the experience all the more exciting. "You are the most happy, if it’s less expected," she explained. Most of the media attention focused on better-known British star Nicole Cooke, who won the road race. Pooley enjoyed the chance to race without pressure.
Like many top woman riders, Pooley came to cycling relatively late. "It was just an accident, really," she said of her turn to cycling. She competed as a runner at university until repeated injury led her to swimming and to the bike. At age 20, she started riding mountain bikes for cross-training. The mountain bike led to a foray into adventure racing. Then, a road bike and triathlon followed. While training for triathlon, Pooley felt drawn to cycling. She also noticed she had fewer injuries. "I enjoyed it," she said of discovering the bike. A good result at the British national road race reinforced her inclinations. "I did a road race and it went quite
well and I did the nationals and it went quite well," she said rather matter-of-factly of her rapid progress in the sport.
Built for the climbs and with a talent for time trialing, Pooley is well-suited to the hilly world cups and the stage races. "Things just happen in races," she said explaining how the solo breakway became her trademark tactic. "At first, no one knew who I was," which helped her sneak up the road. Now, of course, it’s more difficult for Pooley to escape. But still, "you have to try something, there’s nothing to lose," she explained of her mentality. She won the World Cup race at Montréal last year by attacking nearly from the gun, and her victory at GP Plouay came after a long day out in the wind. "I think it was only 40 kilometers, it was pretty short" she said, again with the deprecating humor. If the move doesn’t work out, "at least you get some good training."
Pooley thrives in hard racing, and with Cervélo she has found a team that suits her well. In a post-race comment after the Grand Prix Elsy Jacobs she said, "Our tactic today was to make the race really hard and that worked very well. I must say I’m really proud of this team.... every rider is really strong." At the Grand Prix Elsy Jacobs, Pooley dropped last year’s World Cup runner-up Emma Johansson and rode alone to the finish. At Flèche Wallonne, Cervélo had a majority in the final group and dictated the race. "My team is really strong," Pooley said in a characteristic understatement.
Being on a big team brings responsibility, but also its share of rewards. Pooley calls racing with Cervélo "really fun." The team works well together and trades off leadership responsibilities. "What comes around goes around," is how she describes the dynamic among her team-mates. Strong team support "makes you feel special," she said. When the time comes to take on a supporting role, "you think about what you owe them." "It makes it much more fun, it’s much more fun when you know how much you owe someone for how they worked for you," she emphasized. "You have someone to talk to in the break, and the race is a lot happier." The British rider’s talent for solo breakaways has melded well with the team, allowing Pooley’s team-mates an easy ride in the bunch while their opponents chase. "I’d attack and the idea would be another team would have to chase. Even if they catch me, then my team can attack later." Certainly, Cervélo has accumulated a string of successes to show for their efforts.
Of course, there are advantages to racing for a sponsor who also fields a top level men’s team. For one thing, "we get really really nice bikes," said Pooley with a laugh. "Very nice, indeed." The bikes, kits, and support, they’re "second to none, the best in the world." "With the men’s team, they can afford to be demanding. Carlos Sastre is not going to ride on something that’s second best," she added. The women’s Cervélo also receives support from the men’s team mechanics and Pooley feels that they also receive more publicity. "We get a lot more media attention, which is nice," she said. Laughing, Pooley added, "it’s a little stressful, but it’s good." Compared to her previous teams, the team organization runs more smoothly and there is quite simply more support for the women riders than at a smaller team. "My old team, the guys were great and did a lot of work, but they had real jobs along side it," which meant that some details got missed. Pooley said that the women feel a connection to the men’s team, though they don’t spend much time together. "It’s a feeling, you’re involved in the Tour de France, even though we’re not there," she explained. "They really try to make it all one team."
Though they have the support of Cervélo’s resources, the women are not entirely insulated from the difficulties that women’s cycling faces. Three races Emma Pooley won last year have disappeared from the calendar. "I think they are canceling all the races I won," she said of the loss of GP Bern-West and the Montréal Women’s Cycling
World Cup. In fact, she won’t race another World Cup race this season until the GP Plouay in late August. The Grand Boucle Féminine Internationale also failed to find enough sponsorship support to run this year.
"The best thing for us would be running a women’s race with every major men’s race," asserted Pooley. She suggested a women’s Paris-Roubaix run on the cobbles on the same day as the men’s race or a women’s race paired with the Amstel Gold Race. "Otherwise, people dismiss women’s racing because they don’t see it," she explained. "They think it’s boring. Actually, it’s not boring, it’s quite exciting." To grow women’s cycling, more people have to see it. Pooley called women’s cycling "more exciting, because it’s less controlled." The teams are smaller than in the men’s field. "There is more uncertainty, and you have chances you wouldn’t otherwise," she explained. Pooley’s trademark solo move is more difficult in men’s cycling, because the teams are stronger and more able to control the races. The UCI limits the length of women’s races, and generally, the women have more fitness than the race requires. Said Pooley, "we race the whole race."
Looking ahead, Cervélo is currently preparing for the Tour de l’Aude and the Giro Donne. The Tour de l’Aude runs ten days beginning on 14 May, and is among the more prestigious races on the women’s calendar. Pooley is hoping for a good result at the Tour de l’Aude and wants to show her talents in the stage races, where she shares team leadership with Claudia Häusler. Last year at the Giro Donne, Pooley finished fourth, while Häusler won. There seems to be no rivalry between Pooley and Häusler, and while Pooley would clearly love a big result at one of these races, she confirmed that she is happy to support her team-mate.
In July, Cervélo heads to Italy for the Giro Donne. "I’m really looking forward to it, the whole team is," said Pooley of the Italian race. This year’s edition includes a stage finish on the Stelvio. "It’s going to be really hard. I’ve got to get fit for it, but I’m looking forward to it very much." The 52 switchbacks of the Stelvio won’t forgive any weaknesses. Pooley has ridden up one side of the Stelvio, but not the side that the Giro will race. "I’m going to have a look at it in June," she said. It’s just a short trip from her base Switzerland, and Pooley enjoys training in the mountains.
Unfortunately, the women’s Giro overlaps with the men’s Tour de France, a coincidence that frustrates Pooley. "No one ever pays attention," she laments. "Hey! Hello! It’s quite exciting." It’s one of the most important races on the women’s calendar. Last year, the team had a "really good race" with Häussler winning the overall and Pooley just off the podium. "Everyone from the team, it’s the men, the men, the men, they had this big support staff. We’re six of us in the van, and we’re like, well, here we are," Pooley recalled of last year’s race. The story underscores the difficulty of raising the profile of women’s races and the limited resources of even the biggest teams. "The Tour kind of dwarfs our Giro," Pooley concluded.
In her free time, Pooley is also pursuing a Ph.D. in civil engineering. She dismissed any suggestion that this project was anything out of the ordinary. "I’m quite dumb actually," she said laughing. The degree is a long-term project. "It’s going very slowly, because I spend the whole year racing," she explained. "There’s always something I’d rather do than stare at a boring graph." Pooley lives in Switzerland which she describes as "awesome for training." "I like training," she
adds. "Switzerland is such a beautiful place, though I’m never here. I have all these friends here that I never see," she said ruefully. She isn’t entirely enamored with the migratory life of professional cycling. She admitted, "I find the travel stressful."
Unsurprisingly for a student in the sciences, Pooley isn’t especially superstitious. "I found a four-leaf clover once, and I was thinking wow, you know, maybe it’ll bring me luck," she recounted. "But it didn’t make a difference. My coach always says you make your own luck anyway." Pooley does have one essential ritual for the big races. The Swiss make a small pastry filled with nuts called Biberli. "I really like them," said Pooley with obvious relish. "I always take one for the night before the races. In my bag, I always have a small pocket for the biberli." It’s true that in bike racing, as in life, you have to make your own luck. But often it’s the little things — a friend in the break, a nice bike, an unexpected win, or your favorite pastry the night before a big race — that make all the difference.
Story by Jen See. All photos copyright Patrick Verhoest, except Beijing Olympics photo which is copyright Stu Forster, Getty Images Sport. Thank you Patrick! Emma Pooley post-race comments, Grand Prix Elsy Jacobs courtesy Cervélo TestTeam.
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Nice work Gav!
Love that you keep chatting with the women riders! The women simply amaze and inspire me!!
good work, as usual, gav
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
Great stuff!
And I totally agree that women’s racing isn’t boring. The races I’ve seen, both live and on TV, have all been very exciting.
"i just see giro and get all spazzy" - Gavia
OK, except
Swedish Championships 2005, that was a one woman show from Susanne Ljungskog.
"i just see giro and get all spazzy" - Gavia
by TheFigurehead on May 5, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Great Interview
Some real insights into the challenges of women’s racing.
She lives in Switzerland? Could she please say hello the next time she flies past me? ;)
Zürich is my guess
She’s at the ETH.
"i just see giro and get all spazzy" - Gavia
by TheFigurehead on May 5, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Zürich it is.
Or was in 2008, anyway.
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
Oddly enough so does her fellow Olympic medallist in that photo above
David Cassani happened upon Nicole Cooke a couple of years back while filming his preview for the Giro stage to Locarno (the small shitty stage, if you will), and did a little on the spot interview in Italian.
lol
I loved it when she said it was “pretty awesome” Okay, my interview transcripts are zany, because I crack up all the time. But it was funny.
Also, yeah, the team vibe at Cervélo sounds pretty good. I’d be interested to know if Häusler would say the same thing, but no real reason to think that she wouldn’t. They seem to be spreading it around plenty.
That was awesome Gav.
Bicycling is the nearest approximation I know to the flight of birds. Louis J. Helle, Jr.
Well worth the wait this one
Great to get to know these riders better. CTT really do have a pretty fearsome double weapon in Pooley’s strong early moves and multiple threats waiting behind when the others tire from chasing Pooley.
Silly strong team
I hadn’t really realized it until she started talking about how many riders they have in the final moves and that she always has someone to talk to in the break. LIke, gah, that’s some bike racing.
Silly strong is an understatement
Emma, Claudia Hausler, Regina Bruins, Carla Ryan, Christiane Soeder and Sharon Laws are all capable of getting top ten in the Tour de l’Aude or the Giro. Just who do you drop to fit in a sprinter?
Lizzie Armitstead too
Seems to be coming on nicely as a road racer (didn’t she compete for the young rider jersey at the Giro Donne last year?)
She won it.
I’m not sure how it’ll be for her this season; there’s a lot more competition within Cervelo, whereas at Lotto it was Lizzie & Grace Verbeke swapping wins all the time.
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
true
but I guess that shows the strength off CTT – they can take a winner and leader from another biggish team – and she becomes just another string in their bow
Why on Earth
would they run the Giro Donne against the Tour??
Great piece Gav!
by Chris Fontecchio on May 5, 2010 4:43 PM EDT reply actions
No idea
They’re totally on crack. Like, every journo on the planet is in France. Why not wait until after the Tour? Or, find a way to run it along side the men’s Giro, though I suppose the logistics and hotel room situation would rule that out.
I think it works quite well in Italy
The RAI motos are free at that time as the men don’t run much against the Tour, and RAI tend to go straight to a highlights programme after they’ve finished with their Tour broadcast. I don’t see why e.g. Universal couldn’t try the same, as I can’t see the international rights costing them much.
can you imagine the partying that would accompany a coincidental Giro and Giro d Chicas?
Z fun three weeks to be sure
by Christopher See on May 6, 2010 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions
blatant homer-ism I'm afraid
she’s an exciting bike racer – and like a lot of the female professional athletes – seemingly a lot more intelligent than their male equivalents which makes what she has to say really interesting
Nothing wrong with homerism :-)
You’re right that she’s really smart, articulate. She’d be fun to sit down for a coffee with, for sure.
This is so great.
Been fascinated by her and her insane breakaways for awhile. So glad to read this. Thanks Gav.
A couple out-takes
That didn’t fit into the interview.
I asked about Twitter, and she said she “isn’t a twittery person.” She also said she had a blog for a time, but “it was really boring.” That totally made me laugh, because she wasn’t at all boring to talk to. She’s very matter-of-fact, though, and doesn’t seem to think what she does is anything all that special. I can imagine her blogging and it would be like, I went to a bike race, I won, it was awesome, the end.
Also, we talked about worlds last year some. She said she “really wanted to be out of that bunch.” “It was a bad race for me, I did too much work too early.” She was also worried about the wet descents – it was wet for the women’s race in the morning. “Treacherous”
We talked about that a little
She admitted that sometimes she’s still scared, that she’ll have a rough patch sometimes. It sounds like she has been spending a fair amount of time practicing descending. She says she goes out for training and just does descents a lot.
I didn’t have a chance to ask about Alfredo Binda, though.
It’s funny, I always hang up and think, bah! I forgot to ask blah blah.
These are your outtakes?
I wonder if the Fleche Wallonne convinced her of the virtues of staying warm and protected in the middle of the bunch? But are there tricks that people do to get used to riding in a pack? I know that police motorcyclists spend hours practising going very very slowly round tightly placed cones, and that that somehow magics itself into an ability to go very fast round corners on the road, but I don’t know if it works for pushbikes.
She credited her team at Flèche Wallonne
She said that her team really kept her out of trouble at Flèche. Ahead of time, she was worried about it, but on the day, she had team-mates keeping her near the front and out of trouble. She said that made a huge difference for her.
I asked her about descending – she said just practice, but I didn’t ask her about learning to ride in the bunch specifically.
LOL, well, the interview as printed is around 2000 words already. And it can be hard to fit all the details in. Fortunately, we have the comments section :-)
I love her after the Olympics
where she was interviewed saying she had to learn how to go downhill!
One of my favourite things about her is the self-deprecating comedy interviews -she has that underplaying “thought I was going to fall over” humour
by Sarah Connolly on May 6, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I quite like her body language
in this little interview from last year’s Giro. It’s hard to put a finger on it exactly, but it makes me smile.
I was just generally curious about descending
mostly for my sake. Are there tricks to help you beyond the general remember how you fell off last time and don’t do that again?
You know
I don’t think so, really, beyond keep practicing. Learning the best lines in an out of corners helps, and what to do with your body obviously, but there’s no real tricks to it that I know of.
I’m planning to talk to her again in June, so I can ask, though :-)
Inside pedal goes anywhere but down....
by Christopher See on May 6, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Thankyou so much, it's a great interview
It’s so hard to fin stuff out about the women, I really appreciate it
(especially as I’m a ridiculous Pooley fangirl! I love her post-race quotes – “I thought I’d fall off” etc!)
Thanks, great read, well done Gav.
"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton
Excellent!
Russian Vladimir Karpets is not only known for his mullet but also for his radical facial hair; he is not known for much else.
Thanks Gav... you do Emma justice :)
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Great person, great rider, great interview
Good stuff Gav.
Is this the only place which takes the women’s side of the sport seriously?
Also, think we should give kudos to both CTT and HTC for operating both teams – UCI should encourage more of that.
agree
particularly disappointed with Sky in this regard, especially given the strength of GB women’s cycling
If you look at how well the young lasses supporting Nicole Cooke are doing so far this season
I think the pressure to do something can only grow.
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
I should hope so
Particularly as there is a distinctly blurred border between Team Sky and the GB National Set Up – so the girls should get the same benefits
I haven't forgiven them for not supporting the women
Especially as Sky and David Brailsford were one of the plaes Nicole Cooke went to beg, when Skyter pulled out their sponsorship, and destroyed the-team-that-was-Nurnberger….
I just wrote this somewhere else too, but it doens’t even make business sense, since Italy are a key Sky market, and they really love their women’s cycling
by Sarah Connolly on May 6, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Nicole denied doing anything of the sort
in an interview for British Cycling a couple of months ago.
Not really, though
She says she didn’t talk to Sky directly, and that she has no contacts with Sky – but she says nothing about Brailsford, and of course she has connections to DB – well, according to him, as Team Sky website has articles on it about how DB helped Nicole win the Olympics with her skinsuit etc… I can accept she never rang up Sky directly, but everywhere else sais she’d begged Brailsford, and she soesn’t address it there….
by Sarah Connolly on May 6, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
I think it’s great that Cervélo and HTC have women’s teams. For us, it’s good too, because the media people are super on top of it, so it’s easy to set up these interviews. Yay!
There’s a cool site, womenscycling.net who covers the races and runs some interviews. Definitely roll by there, when you have a chance. Also Italian language, Ciclismo Feminile, heh, I think that’s right, is good for women’s racing.
Cervélo’s team site usually has nice blurbs on all the races too. Obvy they’re from the team’s perspective but you get a good idea of what happened.
If you don't mind a bit of dutch
cyclingnews.nu has a lot of info on women’s races often with images and full reports. They are slightly better at the races in and near Belgium. Also tons of reports on all levels of racing in Belgium, both men and women’s.
..and if I may....
podiuminsight covers both men AND women in North America.
In fact….Lyne is posting live race updates of the both men and women racing Joe Martin Stage Race in Arkansas today at @podium_live
Also
Bart Hazen covers a lot of the European races for dailypeloton.com. He used to keep a nice archive of it all together here, but the indices vanished a couple of months back which makes it harder to find stuff.
Cicloweb have just had a redesign which should make their older stuff easier to find (and the newer pieces easier to link to).
agree on cervelo website
but still waiting for the episode of beyond the peloton covering the women’s team
+ about a million
It’s the only area they disappoint me on, but I have emailed and twittered them to tell them so….
by Sarah Connolly on May 6, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Cycling Fever's women's section too
They do some great race descriptions (though not as good as here, natch), startlists, info, as well as collecting interviews and twitterers – plus a fantasy game*! All here.
I was saying earlier today that there feels like there’s a real surge in grassroots interest in women’s cycling in the Anglo-American online cycling world at the moment, with all kinds of places creating our own news. part of that is due to how badly we’re served by places like Cycling News, Cylcing Weekly etc, but hopefully it’ll get noticed at some stage. One day we might even have gasp! more than 1 race a year on tv!!! On the track it’s different, in the UK at least, where there’s total parity between the men and women’s coverage – but I guess that’s because it’s a lot easier to show – but you’d think that races like Fleche Wallone, with Brit 1-2 would get some interest, right?
(*Thanks Monty for showing me that!)
by Sarah Connolly on May 6, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
playing devil's advocate...
the men’s fleche wallone got bugger all coverage too, so parity in a sense
I guess so re FW
But after all those “Sky are winning everything” in UK sports media re Sky winning the the pre-TDU crit, for instance, which were justified for the British Connection, but not shouting about actual Brit results!
by Sarah Connolly on May 7, 2010 4:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Looky looky!
@vos_marianne:
RT @PodiumCafe: Pretty Awesome: An Interview with Emma Pooley of Cervélo TestTeam. http://sbnation.com/e/1223434
Oooh, Marianne’s rea your interview, Gav!
Means you'll have to interview her too!
Which I’d love to read!
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