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Liquigas Moves To The Top

Powerpoll_mediumBig upheaval in the ranks, what with Liquigas' Giro win and Valverde's banning. Here are the Rankings from the one-third poll. Below I give the three main ranking systems and then I average them to get a composite. Some random comments on the jump.

VDS RankingUCI RankingCycling Quotient RankingComposite Ranking
1. Liquigas 3889 1 Katusha 575 1. Liquigas 5091 1 Liquigas 1.33
2. Saxo 3436 2 Liquigas 566 2. HTC 5016 2 Katusha 3.0
3. Astana 3188 3 Astana 525 3. Katusha 4036 3 HTC 3.33
4. HTC 2988 4 HTC 497 4. Saxo Bank 3918 4 Astana 4.0
5. Katusha 2735 5 BMC 479 5. Rabobank 3561 5 Saxo 4.33
6 Rabobank2714 6 *Lotto 464 6. Astana 3439 6 Rabobank 7.33
7. Garmin 2360 7 Saxo 426 7. Garmin 3206 7 *Lotto 9.0
8. BMC 2210 8 Cervelo 382 8. Radio Shack 3191 8 Garmin 9.66
9. *Lotto 2175 9 Caisse 370 9. Caisse 3122 9 BMC 10.33
10.Cervelo 2120 10 Lampre 326 10. Lampre 2922 10 Lampre 11.33 (tie)
11.Sky 2115 11 Rabobank 311 11 AG2R 2833 10 Radio Shack 11.33 (tie)
12 Shack 1850 12 Euskaltel 286 12 *Lotto 2829 12 Caisse 11.66
13 QuickStep 1755 13 QuickStep 270 13. Euskaltel 2798 13 Cervelo 13.66 (tie)
14 Vacansoleil 1725 14 Shack 267 14 Vacansoleil 2773 13 (tie) Euskaltel 13.66
15 Lampre 1680 15 Garmin 261 14 Sky 2742 15 Sky 14.0

Star-divide

Big Movers:

1) Liquigas from an eleventh place tie to first is obviously the big news. Having home court advantage in a Grand Tour is useful. Usually this is the high point of Liquigas' season because they score big at the Giro even when they don't have the winner. Can they change that? Nows the time to see if that Czech on their team can cash in or bounce. (ursula ducks.)

2) Caisse d'Epargne obviously goes down, but only from seventh to twelfth. 

3) Quickstep stays in the doldrums. Post-Frankfurt they were ranked 15th. Now they are 16th and just off our table. So far this year if not for Boonen, Lotto is easily the dominant Belgian team and they look to extend that dominance at the Tour.

 

Top Five teams have a gap on the rest. Liquigas, Katusha, Astana, Saxo, HTC are together the Big Boys of the season. Rabobank is the prime wannabe team.  The rest are well back-and should stay that way.

 

First and second year teams. Sky has dropped back in the rankings and are now 15th, just ahead of Quickstep and Vacansoleil. Not a super team yet but it's to be expected. This winter will be interesting for them as they asses their weaknesses and try to address them. 

To look at Sky's future, one could do worse than look at Cervelo and Katusha, the two big second year teams. Recall that last year Cervelo was everyone's darling, finishing a strong fifth at the end of the year. Last winter they pretty much help their had, with the major addition being Tondo (a good add). This year they have slipped in the rankings, currently residing in 13th place.  You can say that this is because of injuries to Hushovd, Haussler, and Sastre and strictly speaking you'd be right. But consider how injury-free they were last year and it's easy to imagine that with this veteran team the injury bug is just evening things out with them and probably they are around a 10th place team and not a lofty fifth. It will be interesting to see what they do this winter.

Katusha meanwhile got a lot of flack at PdC and elsewhere. Supposedly they didn't know how to build a team and they did buy two guys who got caught doping.  It seemed like their checkbook was the only thing keeping them relevant. Fast forward to now and yeah, they have a nice big budget, but they used it wisely last winter to seriously improve. But let's see them get through Grand Tour season and see if they hold their high ranking.  If the likes of J-Rod and company can keep them up then they deserve congratulations for managing their team well. What might be more interesting is if they don't produce a serious Tour  threat. Might they be in the Contador sweepstakes?  They got the money...

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what team isn't in the contador sweepstakes? (aside from the shack that is?)

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Jun 1, 2010 7:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Let's take your question at face value.

Not-Liquigas, Saxo, HTC, Shack, Vacansoleil, Lampre, Euskaltel, any other team not listed below

Doubtful-Rabobank, Cervelo

Unknown- Lotto, BMC, Sky

Yes-Quickstep, Garmin, Astana

Probably-Caisse, Katusha

Wildcard- Alonzo if he is actually putting together something

by ursula on Jun 1, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sky said definitely not last year.

"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK

by civetta on Jun 2, 2010 5:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought so but I couldn't remember.

So they are moved to the no line.

But basically there are just a few of the Pro Tour and Pro Conti teams in the running for Bert’s services. And I am wondering if the bidding will get too much for Garmin.

by ursula on Jun 2, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ursula - I want to add a table but no way to do so with formatting available

I’ve done some post analysis on the composite table & would like to post for comparison – can I email it to you for you to add??

Where's the next cafe - is there a bakery there too?

by Marcus in Oz on Jun 1, 2010 8:22 PM EDT reply actions  

could you send me your address

to
marcus underscore s underscore moore at yahoo dot com dot au

safe from spammers???? :-)

Where's the next cafe - is there a bakery there too?

by Marcus in Oz on Jun 1, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, but....

nothing’s arrived in my inbox :-(

try then marcus dot moore at aecom dot com

Where's the next cafe - is there a bakery there too?

by Marcus in Oz on Jun 1, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

BMC is kind of a first year team

BMC is doing pretty well, but almost entirely because of Evans.

by ncrow on Jun 1, 2010 10:38 PM EDT reply actions  

UCI Rankings

kind of look like darts were involved…

"Some people are like slinkies - not really good for anything but they bring a smile to your face when pushed down the stairs."

by jsallee00 on Jun 2, 2010 1:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Believe it or not, there is a system.

The UCI just uses very few races for their points: .PT and .HIS races. Too few.

by ursula on Jun 2, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

What the hell is the purpose of the UCI rankings

they seem misrepresentative (Garmin only 15? BMC 5, ahead of Saxo and Rabo) Why not just go with CQ, at least they’re scientific.

by agl on Jun 2, 2010 1:33 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

Aside from Farrar doing his job once in the classics and again a few times in the Giro they’ve been basicaly off the grid.
Ok, true Ryder had a few good rides when it actually counted, but he never got a win and the sme can be said for everyone else.

by Ryan_Liles on Jun 2, 2010 6:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Overall I agree that the UCI rankings are the least important.

However in their defense they focus exclusively on the biggest races. No Tour of Turkey or Murcia for them. Their races are the races the draw the most interest here on PdC.

And Garmin outside of Hesjedal and some Farrar have done squat in the biggest races so far.

I can go on with talking about the teams but the charge that UCI is “unscientific” while CQ is, is nuts. They use basically the same methodology; they only differ by what races they focus on.

by ursula on Jun 2, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

My point:

I prefer the full spectrum, not the select spectrum. Its not unscientific, i regretted that wording immediately after i said it, but who’s to say what points are better than others, the UCI rankings are all about promotion of their “pro tour” events, and don’t factor as well into the realistic comparisons of teams as do others.

by agl on Jun 2, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

no, it's spelled right (for the english version)... well, except for that "of"

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Jun 2, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Of" is right

Title of the official website leaves it out but on other pages it is still called Driedaagse van De Panne (-Koksijde).

by tedvdw on Jun 2, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im just saying in comparison to the other rankings

those couple of abnormalities stand out. I can agree with your reasoning, but 3 graphs talk similarly, while one is a little askew just at quick glance.

by agl on Jun 2, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

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