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Le Tour Stage 3: Cobbles In, But Arenberg Trench Out

Don't ask me exactly when Le Tour posted all the final details, but the blockbuster third stage, a mini-Paris-Roubaix, is now available for review and doesn't look exactly like we (OK, I) had imagined. Here's the map showing the pave sectors:

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The headliner here is that they managed to find a way around Wallers/Arenberg without actually going through the famed Trenchee d'Arenberg, a/k/a the Arenberg Trench. Why?

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Because the Arenberg Forest cobbles suck, that's why. Actually, I love them with all my heart, but IIRC the race moves left to right in this picture... and you can see a nice tire-sized rut in the middle, leading straight for some jagged rock. It's a bit much. Frankly, the Tour simply doesn't live by the standards of Paris-Roubaix: that's a one-day race designed to crush the wills of all but the strongest riders, leaving the rest in tatters by the roadside. Whereas the Tour isn't designed to crush anyone's will until the third week. Also, ratings go down when the top GC guys pull out in the first week with injuries. So the trick for Le Tour was to find some cobbles that could put people in difficulty... but not that much difficulty. So let's go sector by sector and see what's in store:

  1. Ormeignies, 350m: Not part of the Paris-Roubaix parcours, so your guess is as good as mine. It's actually in Belgium, where the cobbles typically aren't quite so rough, and at 350 meters it's merely an amuse bouche. If any gaps open, they'll quickly close on the flat roads ahead.
  2. Hollain, 1200m: Another Belgian sector of unknown (to me) quality. At 1200 meters you can expect to see riders falling off the back.
  3. Rongy, 700m: Somewhat on the heels of the Hollain sector, this could grate on some of the non-cobbles, non-GC riders. Last of the Belgian sectors.
  4. Sars-et-Rosieres, 2400m: This sector was featured in Paris-Roubaix, where under the L'Equipe system of star ratings (1= "easy", 5=hell) this rated three stars, meaning it won't be fun for anyone who doesn't kinda love this sort of punishment. My guess is that the cobbles are survivable but the length will wear you down.
  5. Tilloy-lez-Marchiennes, 2500m: Another three-star sector, but with almost no break since the Sars sector, making this five km where your Tour could be in jeopardy if you don't watch your step. All three of the big 3-star sectors include turns, which should add to the degree of difficulty.
  6. Wandignies-Hamage, 3700m: Yet another three-star sector, only this one is loooooonnnnggg. By now riders will be sick to death of cobbles.
  7. Haveluy, 2300m: One to go! Only it got four stars from L'Equipe, and in this case I know from personal experience why. This is the Secteur Bernard Hinault that my brother and I rode, seemingly unearthed from a farmer's field days before the race. See picture below. The stones are packed with mud and the "road" is pretty narrow, often with some nasty surprises to the left and right. So the pack will get completely strung out and anyone not close to the front will be at the mercy of every single rider between him and his GC competitors. The only comfort is that the roads ahead are flat and offer about 10km to close whatever gaps appear.

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IMHO Le Tour has played a little give-and-take with the riders. They avoided any five-star sectors where riders can really get squashed... but that last sector, I dunno, does one less star mean much to Andy Schleck or Alberto Contador? It'll be tricky enough for most people's tastes. One of the saving graces of Paris-Roubaix is that the pack breaks up early and often, so you don't usually hit 2.3km of mud-packed cobbles in a farmer's field in a huge peloton. As a matter of physics, this race will break down the peloton, the only question is whether anyone of importance gets left out.

But while hammering the field in some respects, Le Tour can fall back on saying that it could have been worse. There were plenty of ways to find a route through the Forest or Mons-en-Pevele. And by tacking on 10km of normal, flat streets on which to chase back any unacceptable splits, nobody can say they didn't have a chance to stay close. If nothing else, I would expect guys like Contador to minimize any losses here. The handfuls of seconds conceded won't mean much after the Pyrenees, in all likelihood. So expect a great stage battle, some cheeky moves by someone from the GC list, and by day's end not much more than the pleasing aftertaste that comes from watching a great show.

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Course details?

Probably like today. Seriously. They always do it at the last minute, which made me cry last year when I was supposed to write course previews.

by Jen See on Jun 14, 2010 7:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Hm

That must have been quite a scene at Peet’s.

by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 14, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

I was being metaphorical, you know ;-)

But it does mean that writing detailed course previews ahead of time is kind of a losing proposition. Which is probably by design on the ASO’s part, since they’d prefer that we all went to their site. Not a bad thing, really, since the official site is pretty informative.

by Jen See on Jun 14, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

The trench was never included

This stage will wreak havoc tho.

by R Mc on Jun 14, 2010 7:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I think it was included

in my mind. Not sure there was ever more to it than that.

by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 14, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was never included

Los Geht's Deutschland!!!!
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by Phil H. on Jun 15, 2010 3:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, it wasn't...I was cross when they said thsi first time around!

"A mountain is not an obstacle, it is an opportunity" - Robert Millar

by Albertina on Jun 15, 2010 4:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I am not sure how they lose 200m. I mean, there are no early turn-offs from this road. It’s all or nothing.

by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 14, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I was thinking about those

rolling wheels they use to measure distance, and was thinking that the circumference of the wheel could actually make quite a difference on lumpy terrain.

by celerity on Jun 15, 2010 6:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

but will the stage winner get a cobble?

Or will they have to reconstitute one from the bits that they dig out of the other riders’ flesh wounds? I’m really looking forward to this, but in one of those hypothetical cage match sort of ways. And also because there could be someone who never really thought of riding a spring classic, and suddenly realizes that he’s a natural. Not to mention a lot of other people who will be giving a lot more respect to the classics guys on the squad.

by JFS_PGH on Jun 14, 2010 7:34 PM EDT reply actions  

I tried to explain to people how

as tough as the cobble were in Belgium, they are merely church picnic variety cobbles compared to the Trouee. The photos i took failed to capture just how God-Awful nasty those stones were.

by Mr Van P on Jun 14, 2010 8:21 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

The Trouée cobbles are evil

by MathieuG on Jun 14, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you ride the Haveluy secteur too?

That was a lot of fun. Chris and I rode the Forest and the Haveluy. First we went in the reverse direction of the race hitting both secteurs and then we eventually turned around and came back. My first time through Arenberg was slower than climbing the Muur. After two shots at Haveluy I was able to ride the Forest at a slightly better rate of speed (maybe 20-25 kmh). It was fun, but I was surprised I didn’t break stuff on my bike. A cross bike with 30-35mm tires would have been a better tool.

by Mr Van P on Jun 15, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Preparing my rain dance for this stage.

It’s going to be EPIC, my dance that is.

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Jun 14, 2010 8:22 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm being challenged.

I have the guts (and the stupidity) to do it, just not the knowhow. I’ll see what I can do, ideas are already flowing.

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Jun 15, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

yay! interpretive bike dance forum!

Can you also do rider impressions, while you’re at it?

by JFS_PGH on Jun 15, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I could probably make some money doing this

A one man show during Spoleto. I may go back on the road.

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Jun 15, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

honestly

if this doesn’t happen (dance AND video) it will be one of the season’s biggest disappointments. Right after the Landis saga.

by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 15, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you have the DVD (or if there's a youtube)

Watch the Haveluy sector in 2001 Paris-Roubaix. Completely underwater and filthy. Worst cobbles on the course in that very muddy year.

One can only dream of a repeat…

by Mr 60 Percent on Jun 14, 2010 8:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Would it be childish to just set up hundreds of water sprinklers on the cobble sections?

If mother nature doesn’t come through for us.

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Jun 14, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

How much would it take to bribe a few French farmers to let the water fly?

Maybe we could offer to drive a tractor in the McDonalds in Valenciennes.

by Mr 60 Percent on Jun 14, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're kidding me, a McDonalds?

Someone should bulldoze that thing on principle.

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Jun 14, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just like Jose Bove did

Alas, of late the French farmers haven’t been plowing their tractors right through McDonalds with their usual elan.

Podium Cafe is here to get them back on the right track.

by Mr 60 Percent on Jun 14, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know a guy

who knows Jose Bove. I’m on it.

by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 15, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

One thing which might stop it breaking up

is that some of the strongest riders will probably have to wait for some of the strugglers, rather than helping push on the front group after it splits.

Cancellara will presumably be on Schleck herding duties, for example

by William H on Jun 15, 2010 5:59 AM EDT reply actions  

This could be

a stage for the no-hopers. If the classics oriented riders have gc rider baby sitting duties, then riders on teams without such aspirations could steal away. My gut tells me unless a gc rider heavily crashes, this stage will not have any serious effect bu the time the race exits the mountains. Those that finish up highly on this stage will gain minutes, only to most likely lose hours later on.

by touriste-routier on Jun 15, 2010 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

yep

this is a sop to the classics guys, who are expected to put on a show. I’d think they’ll oblige, it’s a great opportunity for them for a big stage win.

by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 15, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Names?

Cancellara will have to protect Schleck, Hincapie will have to protect Evans, Rabobank riders will have to protect Menchov, Flecha will probably look after Wiggins… If Sastre is not at the Tour, we could see a Boonen-Haussler-Hushovd showdown.

by MathieuG on Jun 15, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

ASO

basically predicts a Quick Step attack in the preview. I would add Silence-Lotto and Gilbert to the list — he may not love Paris-Roubaix but I think he can get over these cobbles just fine.

by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 15, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is Gilbert doing the Tour?

I vaguely remember reading somewhere sometime ago (now THAT is precision!) he wouldn’t be there

by MathieuG on Jun 15, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're right

No, he wasn’t planning on it. That could change, but he said previously that he wasn’t, and would ride the Vuelta to prep for Worlds and the late season classics.

by Jen See on Jun 15, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bah

only if he can get in a two-up sprint with Hoste.

by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 15, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Won't the top teams

Put some men in front and keep the pace low?

Money is the best doping. - Gerrie Kneteman

by Lopex on Jun 15, 2010 6:37 AM EDT reply actions  

depends who's in front and who's behind. postal and tmob drove a blistering pace in 2004, stage 3

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Jun 15, 2010 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

wonder if this could be a stage for Sky

Wiggans has finished P-R respectably and there’s van der Pijl and Boss Hog to motor . . .

by R Mc on Jun 15, 2010 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Escapes

could be big. Henri Manders and Teun Van Vliet put on a big escape on a similar stage in ’85. I imagine there are a few other cobbles Tour stages out there.

by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 15, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

That was a dramatic stage

Manders not allowed to work in the break due to team scheming. Black day for Dutch cycling.

Money is the best doping. - Gerrie Kneteman

by Lopex on Jun 16, 2010 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bah!

I was rooting for van Vliet all the way. Loved those old Dries Rossin kits.

by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 16, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Flecha

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Jun 15, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could be

But he may have to watch for Wiggins… if he needs help. Actually, I have no idea. Is Wiggins any good on the cobbles?

by MathieuG on Jun 15, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's fine... he's finished PR before...

I also think Cuddles will need little shepherding, so watch out for the BMC classics guys.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Jun 16, 2010 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

big george!

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Jun 16, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK

BMC could use that kind of a win.

by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 16, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bah!

Anyway, I don’t know if this stage will be hard enough for anyone to escape alone. always a possibility of course, but as cobbled races go, this one could see a pretty large bunch.

by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 16, 2010 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow!

I didn’t realize they’d tossed a mountain bike ride into Le Tour. I hope their shocks are up to it.

by John est on Jul 5, 2010 11:02 PM EDT reply actions  

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