Tour de Suisse Crash: Sprinters are Crazy!
by Jen See on Jun 15, 2010 1:25 PM EDT
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PrintThe Tour de Suisse ended with a bang today. With 100 meters to race, Mark Cavendish and Heinrich Haussler collided. Both crashed at speed, leaving Gerhard Ciolek nowhere to go but down. Behind, Tom Boonen was among the casualties as the riders went down like dominoes one after the other. No word yet on any injuries, though Heinrich Haussler was up and giving interviews shortly after the incident. Haussler had an extensive collection of scrapes and was missing quite a lot of jersey.
From the replay, both Haussler and Cavendish move toward the center of the road. They are racing tight, and there is a hard shoulder bump just before the crash. It really looks like Mark Cavendish simply rode into Heinrich Haussler, which you just don't see every day among the top sprinters. Haussler looks to hold his line, while Cavendish seems to put his front wheel directly into Haussler's bike with predictable results. Pity Gerhard Cioleck. First Cavendish slams the door hard on Ciolek by cutting across his front wheel, then the HTC-Columbia sprinter crashes in front of him. Rough day at the office there. It's an even rougher day for the AG2R-La Mondiale sprinter Lloyd Mondory, who gets seriously launched like rocket style into the barricades. Certainly, Cavendish did not hold his line here. Paging the race jury. Oscar Friere, meanwhile, did some impressive bike handling from behind Haussler and Mondory to avoid crashing. Two-wheel slide all the way.
Oh, and Alessandro Petacchi won the stage, followed by Matti Breschel of Saxo Bank and Marco Marcato of Vacansoleil. The general classification remains unchanged. Tony Martin of HTC-Columbia leads Fabian Cancellara by 1 second.
Want photos? Sirotti has a sequence.
Cyclingfever has a link to a cleaner version of the video from Cycling.tv. Thanks to @CyclingFlash for the link.
Update-o-rama The race jury does not heart Mark Cavendish after today's hijinx. According to the official communiqué, the jury penalized Cavendish for "deviation from his line to the danger of his colleagues and provoking a crash." The jury relegated him to last on the stage, docked him 30 seconds on the general classification, subtracted 25 points from his total, and slapped him with a fine.
The Injury List. According to the HTC-Colombia press people, initial examinations showed no fractures for Cavendish. Just nasty cuts and bruises. Over at Cervélo, Heinrich Haussler went to hospital for stitches in his elbow and will not start the race tomorrow. Tom Boonen, meanwhile, bumped his knee, but will start tomorrow. Arnaud Coyot of Caisse has a broken scaphoid and radius. Early reports that he broke his hip appear to be incorrect. Velo101 confirms that Mondory of AG2R-La Mondiale was mixed up in the crash, but does not have any word on his condition. No word either on the other AG2R rider, who may have been Sebastian Hinault.
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Tom Danielson twitter:
Interesting day. Fist fight on a downhill followed by an enormous crash in the final today. Hope everyone is ok.
Anyone know the fist fight details?
moo
Well at least frinky can't blame Cuddles ;)
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
fisticuffs
interesting
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
I don't know, honestly.
I watched it several times over. You can see a hard shoulder bump, and it almost looks like Cav is going to get hooked by Haussler, realizes it, and goes all spazzy. From the aerial, Cav looks spazzy from the time he cuts across Ciolek.
Really weird crash.
on the close up on TV
Cav keeps sliding over, then at the exact same time Cav and Haussler pedal hard such that their wheels are slanted towards each other (and collide) but their bodies aren’t above their wheels so there is no “shoulder” bump to protect them.
moo
yeah
But it seems to me that Haussler’s motion is forward and he never deviates, while Cavendish is moving laterally from the time he starts his sprint.
Well, as I saw it..
Haussler is moving right at the beginning, cutting off Cioleck as well (check the overhead, you can tell he isn’t going straight), realizes Cav is coming towards him, begins to straighten out, then BOOM
by Douglas Ansel on Jun 15, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
CQranking Cavendish reported OK, Ciolek also OK, Haussler to be taken into hospital to make further checks. #tdsuisse
less than 20 seconds ago via TweetDeck
It’s so stupid I’m speechless--Fabian Cancellara, on claims that he rode a motorized bike in the classics
Ciolek!!
Whew. That didn’t look good.
Haussler, I am afraid to go back and look again. Hopefully whatever the problem is is more flesh than bone. He deserves a break, esp this close to the Tour.
by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 15, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
He was up, walking, and giving interviews.
It’s so stupid I’m speechless--Fabian Cancellara, on claims that he rode a motorized bike in the classics
HH, I mean.
It’s so stupid I’m speechless--Fabian Cancellara, on claims that he rode a motorized bike in the classics
Will see if he starts tomorrow! Pain usually manifests itself in the morning.
When you riding a TT and your body tell you to slow down, don’t listen to it! Tell it to shut the F#@K up! And go even faster!
( from my DS pep talk, long, long, long time ago.)
Something more fundamental?
Sprinting at this level is just a brutal event, and everything happens so fast that I don’t think you can chalk it up to anything besides instinct. I’m not a sprinter, never have been so correct me if I’m wrong, but IMHO riders instinctively move around to fill spaces and outsposition their rivals. Doesn’t always work out so well. Frankly, the whole stage relegation penalty thing is a bit like “just say no,” it doesn’t even begin to address the issue which is the basic behavior of top sprinters. Not every day; sprints can be orderly sometimes especially when there’s a dominant train stringing it out. But often.
And let’s face it, if you try to sprint properly, you lose. Like I said, this isn’t my bailiwick, but it would explain (if true) why you don’t see young guys win right out of the chute. This kind of atmosphere takes some getting used to.
by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 15, 2010 1:37 PM EDT reply actions
But
By your logic, we’d see this kind of thing all the time. You just don’t see big sprinters full on collide like this. Sure, there’s plenty of contact, but they actually don’t crash in the middle of the road all that often.
There's always
the risk. This time was a bit of a fluke where they both flare out their wheels toward the center at the same time. My point is that riders make moves all the time that create this risk, and you can’t just preach “hold your lines” to make the risk go away.
by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 15, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
yep
and sprinting is just a particularly naked way of probing the edges of risk.
by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 15, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
"...and you can’t just preach "hold your lines" to make the risk go away"
There’s the voice of understanding, well done Chris. Those wheels don’t touch, we don’t have accident, we don’t have this discussion. We just talk about how cool it was to see Cav and HH shoulder to shoulder across the line again.
"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton
Sadly
I can never tell if sminer actually agrees with me or not :)
by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 15, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I know
and that’s all my fault.
I agree with that quote, no snarking, no double entendre, no bullshiting…
"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton
Where's that crashdan photo?
"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton
One thing that might have contributed...
Cav and HH are both coming around Ciolek (from opposite sides) at the same time, might not have seen each other properly until too late. But definitely Cav came way over, HH only a little if at all.
Cazzo, it's going to be a bloodbath! The Mortirolo is a horror, absolutely interminable. -- Michele Scarponi
yeah
both are moving to fill the vacuum. Cav more obviously.
by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 15, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
or
Cav completely. Haussler not so much. This one is definitely on Cav.
by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 15, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Though Cav is the more guilty ...
I have seen much worse movement by sprinter which did not get relegated or sanctioned at all. ALG was one of the worst, sometimes moving all the way across the road cutting off riders. Of course in this instance there was a spectacular tangle of bikes and bloody bodies strewn across the road. I guess the officials had to nail someone.
I have watched the video as closely as possible, advancing it as slowly as I could and the move by Cavendish just didn’t seem to be that bad. He was definitely ahead of Haussler and Haussler’s front wheel ran across the front wheel of Canvendish. Anyway, they were cranking it up to wards escape velocity whn it all went to bloody hell.
Ice
"This is my Indian summer ... I'm far more dangerous now, because I don't care at all."
It’s so stupid I’m speechless--Fabian Cancellara, on claims that he rode a motorized bike in the classics
yeah, that's the "which way did he go" look
HH looked to be blinking hard during the interviews…like he was fighting off the fireflies flying around his eyes.
by JustJoshinYa on Jun 15, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
CQ reports
Worst news from crash at #tdsuisse are for Frenchman Arnaud Coyot (GCE), likely hip fracture. #tdsuisse
That's reaslly nasty.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
ooooowwwwwww .... I hate that
someone went down into the barrier at back right of video ….. instinctively trying to avoid crowd
moo
ugh
hopefully someone will do a lego replay, I can’t stomach the actual video anymore.
by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 15, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
UPDATE: coyot has a fractured radius and scaphoid in his left wrist
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
I haven't re-watched enough
but . . .
it looks to me as though Cavendish was judging his move based on his ’fit" top-end speed, and he was really riding at about 90% top end.
The result: instead of beating Hausler to that spot, he collided with him.
+1
maybe he isnt used to having that many people around when he is all out. seems he wins going clear a lot and maybe he thought he had dusted evryone else.
Agreed
Or, I’d say that Cavendish hasn’t learned how to race when he isn’t faster than everyone else. You don’t learn so much bike handling when you can accelerate away from everyone.
Vlaanderens Mooiste
Are you saying
Cav has a lot to learn?
Los Geht's Deutschland!!!!
Quitter's People United member # 42
i won't believe it until it's restated.
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
Any word on Boonen yet?
It’s so stupid I’m speechless--Fabian Cancellara, on claims that he rode a motorized bike in the classics
Boonen had a foot down
before hitting the deck, so my hope is that he didn’t hit too hard.
Can someone direct Albertina to the fainting couch while we await word?
by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 15, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha! I'm ok, but I was in a gittery state all the way home!
"A mountain is not an obstacle, it is an opportunity" - Robert Millar
I like better those mountain top finishes, with the slow, safe sprints! You don’t even have to hold the line! Lol.
When you riding a TT and your body tell you to slow down, don’t listen to it! Tell it to shut the F#@K up! And go even faster!
( from my DS pep talk, long, long, long time ago.)
Team Milram says:
Tour de Suisse:Gerald Ciolek was involved in a crash in the finish.He was lucky to come away with scrapes and bruises and a big scare
12 minutes ago via Echofon
It’s so stupid I’m speechless--Fabian Cancellara, on claims that he rode a motorized bike in the classics
Interesting photo
Here. Better view at Cor Vos’ site, it’s number 13 in the Stage 4 gallery. Any ideas on Cav’s front wheel there?
Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...
Oh My.
Presumably that’s what happens when HH’s wheel shreds Cav’s spokes, correct?
Next shot (a couple over in the CovVos Gallery)...
shows HH riding right over Cav’s front wheel. Did shoulder bump cause Cav to lose traction, putting his front wheel under HH’s? That’s what those stills suggest.
The thing I learned from that photo:
Ale-jet has stopped wearing yellow shoes. How the hell am I supposed to pick him out of a crowd w/o the shoes?
Vlaanderens Mooiste
Well, that's a rather reasonable suggestion.
Although a stickler would say that the bikes just identify Lampre riders, not the Ale-Jet.
Vlaanderens Mooiste
I thought only he and Cunego had the lurid ones?
"A mountain is not an obstacle, it is an opportunity" - Robert Millar
Hope HH is OK...
and has anyone already commented on his wearing the polka dot jersey? Had to do a double take on that one!
points competition. which is separate from the sprints competition.
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
Beginning of the sprint was strange too
Ciolek pressed right strongly and Cav swung out even further right behind him. Pushing Marcato a long way from his straigth line.
Money is the best doping. - Gerrie Kneteman
Nope - couldn't disagree more
The sprint was odd (have you ever seen such a slow sprint from 2km to 0.5km) with everyone tooling along just watching Renshaw and Cav. Behind is Boonen, a QS, HH, Ciolek etc. Then Renshaw cedes, and there is a free for all. In it Cav gets Ciolek’s wheel (the first to make a move), and the swerve you mention is because he is barged off it by Haussler, forcing him to swing wide etc etc.
This post isn’t about assigning or avoiding blame for the ensuing melee but the first piece of dangerous sprinting was Haussler’s. Cav did well to stay up.
Good point about Haussler shouldering Cav
But if that is dangerous sprinting UCI should ban all sprinting. Some wrestling for position always happens.
Money is the best doping. - Gerrie Kneteman
Only make the remark as HH going for it so hard he actually goes past GC's wheel
But agree really – I dont think very much of it was dangerous sprinting particularly, it was all much the same as happens day in and day out, but this time a huge crash ensued.
Mostly because both sprinters were going full on with their heads down – and came together. Neither of them seemed to show much awareness of what was around them, but then again neither rode at each other with intent.
Cav’s effort reminded me of Oscar’s sprint when he was DQed and AVV got the race. In that one Oscar was flipped, and when he started sprinting he consistently veered across the road – pretty much what Cav was doing. Different day, different outcome.
jeebus
it looks like an Escher painting.
by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 15, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
cleverly disguised with grey spray paint?
Do we have any evidence that the UCI isn’t including obstacles in sprint stages now? Humm?
I think quickstep would be a more likely suspect
seeing as how we’re talking about quicksand.
http://www.bah.net/
by dees ees en drama on Jun 15, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
My favorite thing
about this picture is how it looks like Haussler is trying to steamroll right through Cav’s wheel. If only he’d stayed up…
by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 15, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
what's weird is that the rim appears to snap
back into plane after that deformation:
look at the rest of the sequences and that rim doesn’t seem to stay taco’ed.
Or am I missing something?
No it doesnt stay tacoed.
Anyone know why this would be? Wheels don’t ususually do that… (as far as I am aware of anyhow).
by Maggie Anne Jones on Jun 15, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
NEW TOPIC!
I have given this question its own fanpost for follow-up: HERE
by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 15, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Sequence of crash photos
It’s so stupid I’m speechless--Fabian Cancellara, on claims that he rode a motorized bike in the classics
It is frustrating
that they show the stop-motion AFTER the crash, rather than before. I’m not so interested in seeing details of the carnage, but I am interested in seeing details of what caused it.
These pics are more voyeuristic than informative.
Vlaanderens Mooiste
Could be either.
The CQR guys I was chatting with on the twit seemed to think it was Mondory. But it could easily be Hinault. Still waiting for info from AG2R.
Boonen apparently hit his knee but will start tomorrow’s stage.
Quick Step:
News about Boonen: he was hit at his left knee, but will start tomorrow!
6 minutes ago via web
It’s so stupid I’m speechless--Fabian Cancellara, on claims that he rode a motorized bike in the classics
Getting old.
It’s so stupid I’m speechless--Fabian Cancellara, on claims that he rode a motorized bike in the classics
German press says Cavendish docked 30 seconds and 25 points.
It’s so stupid I’m speechless--Fabian Cancellara, on claims that he rode a motorized bike in the classics
Hoping for updates on the Versus coverage that begins in a little over half an hour.
It’s so stupid I’m speechless--Fabian Cancellara, on claims that he rode a motorized bike in the classics
that was a repeat of stage 2. today's stage is at 7pm edt
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
Not trying to start a polemica
but a couple of guys banged their heads pretty hard (like the Milram rider)
+1 helmets
moo
No disagreement here.
Helmets rock.
It’s so stupid I’m speechless--Fabian Cancellara, on claims that he rode a motorized bike in the classics
I cracked one almost completely in half this year.
"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton
Statement from Cervelo--Haussler definitely out of the race.
“I didn’t see Cavendish coming,” said Heinrich Haussler. “He drove into my wheel and before I knew it went down and was lying on the ground. I could have won the stage today.”
“Heinrich was taken to the hospital for an examination and stitches,” said Team Doctor Lorenz Emmert. “He has a deep wound on his right elbow and will need to rest for a few days now.”
It’s so stupid I’m speechless--Fabian Cancellara, on claims that he rode a motorized bike in the classics
The video appears to support Haussler's comments
Cavenish came from Ciolek’s right side, across his wheel and was still moving right-to-left when the crash happened.
I don’t know that there was a clear foul, but I’m hoping the sprint lads take him behind the bike shed and have a “clear and rational discussion” about crazy sprinting with no thought to consequences puts everyone’s meal ticket at risk.
Vlaanderens Mooiste
Cav's move earlier in the sprint was probably dodgier than the one which resulted in the crash
That one, he nearly rode someone into the barrier – this one was in the middle of the road, and if haussler had taken avoiding action probably wouldn’t have raised much of an eyebrow
Wonder who he's angry at...
“We think he’s okay physically, even if mentally he’s shaken up and he’s very angry,” added team manager Rolf Aldag.
--link
Cav being Cav, I suppose we’ll find out.
It’s so stupid I’m speechless--Fabian Cancellara, on claims that he rode a motorized bike in the classics
Wheel makers?
Eddy van IJzendoorn (Dutch cyclocross & road rider on AA Drink Team)
Ik hou het op breken… heb het zelf ook ooit gehad, dat hij ook zo op 2 punten brak in een sprint. Was alleen het achterwiel
http://twitter.com/EddyvIJzendoorn/status/16247620634
“I say it broke. Happened to me once, too, that the wheel broke like that at two points in a sprint. Only that was the back wheel.”
From the slow mo
it looks like Cav’s wheel, which is just in front of HH’s front wheel, gets broken by by contact with HH’s wheel when they cross.
Best video I’ve seen yet.
"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton
Definitely
If you pause it, Cav’s wheel is momentarily in tact while he’s contacting Haussler’s wheel.
http://www.bah.net/
by dees ees en drama on Jun 15, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Here we go
Those IFP’s unfairly blaming him… well, look out now peloton.
by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 15, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Tom landed on the knee he hurt in Cali...
He’s still been feeling it, especially on the hills and wasn’t sure whether he’d do the Belgian champs. That was before..this is after…please let him be ok!
“The consequences of the fall could have been worse – explains Boonen – “Fortunately I realized right off that riders in front of me were falling and I managed to reduce my speed significantly. But a rider hit me from behind and I ended up on the ground, hitting my left knee. The knee hurts a little but tomorrow I will be at the starting line for the stage hoping that the problem doesn’t get worse during the race.”
http://www.quickstepcycling.eu/en/Tour-de-Suisse_4
"A mountain is not an obstacle, it is an opportunity" - Robert Millar
I hope he's OK too
although, as I watched the replay, I’m pretty sure he sat up before the crash, and not because he saw it happening.
Still, please GAWD let the knee be ok. It has to transfer a awful lot of power.
Vlaanderens Mooiste
Exactly...I'll need a lot of sympathy if he's not at the Tour (as will he of course)!
"A mountain is not an obstacle, it is an opportunity" - Robert Millar
Lampre guy on the left of the pic has ripped shorts and what looks like some blood on his leg.
It’s so stupid I’m speechless--Fabian Cancellara, on claims that he rode a motorized bike in the classics
talk about a lead out!
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
I didn't even see Coyot go down...where was he?
"A mountain is not an obstacle, it is an opportunity" - Robert Millar
Second crash in the background...
You can see another pileup behind the top sprinters… Probably people jumping on their brakes. You can see a green jersey going across the road and crashing into the barriers. And a lot more riders on the ground behind him….
by FrenchKheldar on Jun 15, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Bah. Versus 4 pm show is yesterday's stage.
Today’s, presumably, will be on at 7:00.
It’s so stupid I’m speechless--Fabian Cancellara, on claims that he rode a motorized bike in the classics
So effective
that Versus coverage. I bet people are on the edge of their seats waiting.
by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 15, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Abdoujaparov!
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x69qvs_tour-de-francedjamolodine-abdoujapa_sport
Bunch of slack-jawed faggots around here. This stuff will make you a god damned sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me - Jens Voigt, Predator (1987)
One more comment about the video
if you keep your eyes on Boonen in the slo-mo shot from the front
he sees something
slows down
looks away to his left
starts shaking his head
all before the crash.
I am wondering if Cavendish is getting (or already has) a bad rep with other sprinters and Boonen just says no way is he getting involved in this craziness.
But maybe it was.
Nooo.. I’m not going to make it.. If I know his ambition/character.. I find that more assumable
Not sure why Cav would have a bad rep
He’s had this and the Tour relegation as far as I can recall.
I’d say he probably gets in less problems than many sprinters, though that’s probably because leadout train + speed means he tends to be well ahead.
Someone said it before and I agree...
…Cav, on form, blows em all away and this doesn’t happen (even though he still looks like he’d eventually end up in front of HH by the finish line – assuming he was in the lead). His angle right before HH runs him over looks like Cav’s aimed for the left barriers to me. He just seemed out of control.
I also agree with earlier comments – cav looked wilder when he went right towards the barrier, and then comes back – which just makes his “line” look that much worse. Seems he went 40 meters side to side to travel 20 down the road…(slight exaggeration).
I didn’t see HH off his line too bad (maybe inches or a foot), but cav was everywhere (if you include the move to the right barriers to start it off).
versus coverage: well, first sherwin says cav's at fault. then that it was GHH's fault, by dropping his shoulder and taking out cavendish. then he says, "it's very difficult to put the responsibility on anybody's shoulders."
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
they just said HH is not racing tomorrow too.
by JustJoshinYa on Jun 15, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah. that was posted upthread
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
missed it - seriously - that sucks.
is it precautionary – or a serious issue (broken bones)?
by JustJoshinYa on Jun 15, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
precautionary. resting him up.
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
found it...thanks
"Heinrich was taken to the hospital for an examination and stitches," said Team Doctor Lorenz Emmert. "He has a deep wound on his right elbow and will need to rest for a few days now."
by JustJoshinYa on Jun 15, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
well, thor definitely wants to defend/repeat
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
at the end, sherwin says "i do believe that cavendish deviated from his line"
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
tragic
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
Next up:
“I think there is also a mild possibility of the sun rising from the East tomorrow.”
Vlaanderens Mooiste
My suspicion is that his retraction
came from the company editors.
Can’t blame the mess on Britain’s cycling cash cow.
Vlaanderens Mooiste
Sky in the UK
(the sponsors of Team Sky) have a 24 hour sports news channel that very, very rarely show any cycling highlights.
But of course they are showing the crash. I wonder how committed they really are to the sport.
moo
I've always wondered...
why Sky are putting so much money into cycling, seeing as their channels have precisely zero interest in the sport.
Bunch of slack-jawed faggots around here. This stuff will make you a god damned sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me - Jens Voigt, Predator (1987)
It's not the first time Cav has done something like this
I hold him at fault and agree with the regulation. 30 seconds and 200 SFr doesn’t seem like enough. For some reason I want to say “dirt bag.”
Not dirtbag
just careless and innocent of all concern for other and the effects of his actions.
Vlaanderens Mooiste
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