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Le Tour: Chris...'s Five To Watch

Le-tour-sm_mediumRemember our initial effort to take a race and ask people to look at five different riders? It's time to roll that out for the Tour de France. A little background: "race previews" of the conventional nature require a lot of writing and are about as rare as mosquitos in a Minnesota summer. So we thought that instead of serving up a conventional preview, we will be dissecting the race in advance through two primary tools: the "five to watch" series where different voices speak up about a handful of riders worth discussing, and through the Classification-specific previews. The Five to Watch won't predict outcomes; whereas the classification previews will run mostly in the form of power polls so they don't overlap with the five to watch discussions too much. My five to watch do have a common denominator: they're all serving one-year sentences on my VDS team: Robert Gesink, Tyler Farrar, Edvald Boasson Hagen, George Hincapie, and Maxime Monfort. Here we goes!

Robert Gesink, Rabobank

Having just focused on him last week, and having waited several months for him to do something (which he did, and then undid in quick succession), I feel fully qualified to take on the subject of Robert Gesink at the Tour de France. Gesink's solo victory in the queen stage of the Tour de Suisse helped burnish his credentials as one of the world's top climbers... not the most crowded club at the moment. He's only started one Tour and didn't get very far before breaking a wrist, so taking him seriously right now as an overall contender for the win is a mistake, even before we bring up the delicate subject of time trialling. [To be continued... on the flip!]

Star-divide

I don't know what Gesink's precise goals will be, though it sounds like a combination of eyeing the late mountains and seeing how things are going between himself and Menchov. If I were in charge (please Rabobank, put me in charge), I would tell him this:

  • Don't worry about classifications, just go out with the goal of learning and riding smartly every day
  • Keep your effort under control in the Alps and the Jura, where the time gaps will be minimal
  • Build up toward the Pyrenees and let it all hang out on the final stage to the Tourmalet, with the goal of the stage win, which would probably help him more in the classifications (maillot blanc especially) than any other effort
  • Don't even think about the final ITT before the final weekend; by then everyone who goes down the start ramp will have three weeks of misery in their legs so who knows?
  • All that really matters is making it to Paris, because you're still a kid and you need to finish one of these things first.

If he wins the Henri Desgranges prize that day, it will do more for his career than any other goal one could reasonably see him achieve. This alone could be out of reach, coming in week three of what he hopes is his third-ever grand tour finish, but we have seen him ride with great character (last week, Giro dell'Emilia) when all that's left is to climb out of his mind. If he's not depleted beyond repair, I'd love to see him show the whole world those qualities that Dutch fans have been buzzing about for a few years now.

Tyler Farrar, Garmin-Transitions

Like Gesink, Farrar needs to walk before he can run. It's fun to talk about him as a green jersey threat, which I will do at great length in my preview of that classification n/l/t Monday. But the points comp is yet another milestone in the sport which favors experience, and among the problems facing Farrar is the fact that the other guys -- even Cavendish -- have been around the boucle more than he has. Can he make a green jersey run? Farrar has shown the ability to do the necessary things, seizing position, riding at the front, getting up and over the requisite number of obstacles, unleashing a massive top speed, etc. So in theory, sure. 

The question I have -- and I really don't know the answer -- is whether Farrar can afford to chase the green jersey and try to win a stage, or whether he and his team will really only have the strength for one or the other. Going for Green means contesting intermediate sprints and difficult stage finishes, of which there are several. It's hard work. Winning a stage, on the other hand, will require every bit of energy Farrar has considering the nature of Tour stages and the little Manx dude he has to come around. To his team and their target audience, a stage win is about as valuable as the maillot vert, particularly if it comes at Cavendish's expense, and comes at much shorter odds. So IMHO the smart play is to focus on the sprint stages, go all in on that first Tour win, and only turn to the green jersey if it falls in his lap.

Edvald Boasson Hagen, Team Sky

Ah, speaking of green jerseys... Boasson Hagen's impression on this Tour de France could be easily one of the most interesting stories for us dedicated, can't-quit-you fans. The outgoing Norse chatterbox will be making his debut in the Big Show, coming off a prolonged break owing to an achilles problem, and serving a team focused exclusively on Bradley Wiggins' GC chances. That's the downside. The upside is that he's coming into form with wins in his last two races (last Dauphine road stage and the Norge ITT), he should be under zero pressure to do anything, and the parcours couldn't possibly be more to his liking. For consistency's sake I will admit, painfully, that this opportunity comes probably one to three years too early into his career for a serious green jersey run, so he will likely assume his team role leading up to the sprints, poach a win there if possible (unlikely), and find a day in the Jura or some other mid-mountain thingy when Wiggins can free him up for a real chance at a win. 

George Hincapie, BMC

Shifting gears now... these are bittersweet days for Hincapie, I would guess. He is officially the most esteemed presence at the Tour, and in our interview last winter it was clear that he takes pride in thirteen completed trips down the Champs-Elysees, one of the all-time durability marks and just three off Joop Zoetemelk's record 16 Tour finishes. Everything he does to get himself closer to Paris will extend his run of distinction. And since Hincapie does everything well -- ride in front, handle his bike, climb, etc. -- his chances of finishing #14 are as close to a certainty as you'll find in this terribly uncertain world. 

But Hincapie has a pretty profound taste of Tour glory as well -- winning a stage and shepherding around a seven-time maillot jaune, as well as a brash young sprinter the last couple turns. Missing from his resume is a yellow jersey of his own (an early-race one, obviously), and the events which took the jersey off his back in last year's Tour by mere seconds is undoubtedly something he remembers. So here are my two goals for Hincapie, apart from doing what he can to keep Cadel Evans' GC hopes respectable: 1) making a run at that Hell of the North stage; and 2) trying to sneak into yellow that day, like if he does a strong prologue and gets in the front group in stage 3. Or go the long escape route. His team can't have the highest hopes on any of the big classifications, so getting Hincapie's goals accomplished should be a shared priority.

Maxime Monfort, HTC

Monfort, a 27-year-old Belgian heralded in his early years as a potential GC threat, is one of those guys who make the sport a lot more interesting than it looks at first blush. Monfort has never climbed well enough for a team to construct itself around his GC hopes. An insurgent 11th at the 2007 Vuelta is his best result; his two Tours have seen him finish just outside the top 20. That said, he is a time triallist of note and a B-list climber. He can go uphill really well and can ride a hard tempo, in an escape, or in setting up a sprint, or on the tip of the spear when his team is in charge of the pack. In short, guys like Monfort are indispensible teammates and guys to watch in the minor classifications. Given what the polka dot jersey has become, one could easily see it on his shoulders... except his team need him for too many other duties to let Monfort race for himself. HTC are good about making sure everyone gets their day, however. With all the things he can do, Monfort stands to earn his money and his moment in the sun.

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Gesink and TT

In last year’s Vuelta he came in 30th in the prologue (24 sec) and 30th in the longer TT (1’46’’) thus losing 2’10’’. He’s certainly no superstar on the TT bike but he should be able to limit his losses and defend a top-10 (maybe top-5) position in GC. Especially if he climbs like in Switzerland.

Money is the best doping. - Gerrie Kneteman

by Lopex on Jun 25, 2010 3:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Yea I think he just had a bad day in Switzerland.

And I don’t know if he had a different set up on the tt bike or what, but it did not look right at all to my eye.

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Jun 25, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's not long enough on the bike

his knees overlap his elbows at least an inch, maybe two.

So he has to ride with his elbows out, instead of being able to ‘hide’ his knees behind his arms. This increases his aero drag a bunch.

by R Mc on Jun 25, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

His body weight too far back right?

Looked to me like he needed to be more forward and stretched out over the bike. His elbows were too high, I don’t know… just all wrong. He definitely needs some time in a wind tunnel with some experts.

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Jun 25, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Altho I think.. This was his new position and that he has to get used to it

by Frinking on Jun 25, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Get used to it?

What’s the point of getting used to a position that doesn’t even look optimally aero and where you can’t produce your best power?

It may be only one ITT, but I’d feel comforted to find out that they worked on his TT position between the TdS and the TdF.

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Jun 25, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

The key is to reduce the frontal exposure

That’s why Landis’s preying mantis and Leipheimer’s position worked well even though they weren’t low (well Landis wasn’t. Sorry about the short joke bottle . . .): getting the head close to the hands closes down the wind-scoop effect that happens when there’s a big open area from chin to hands and in between the elbows.

Add to that the “churn” effect produced by the rotating knees, and you want a position that hides the knees (typically just behind the elbows) and minimizes the distance between chin and hands.

Honestly, Gesink’s time trial position is abysmal. Just compare pics of him and cancellara to see what I’m typing about.

by R Mc on Jun 25, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

He gave too much in the forelast stage

Too few teammates to defend him. The big guns saw it and used it to their advantage.

Money is the best doping. - Gerrie Kneteman

by Lopex on Jun 25, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

So?

Tired or totally fresh,he’s still giving up something on the order of 20 watts or more just because of that position.

by R Mc on Jun 25, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Generally

the last ITT of a grand tour is only ridden by a few guys who are all depleted, so I’m not sure how much the niceties of time trialling will matter. If he’s got any legs left, he’ll probably limit his losses.

"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell

by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 25, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Has Farrar actually even finished a Grand Tour?

I can’t find any record of him having done so… perhaps way too early to even think about green and Farrar in the same sentence.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Jun 25, 2010 3:57 AM EDT reply actions  

He finished last year's tour

150th in GC 5th in points

Money is the best doping. - Gerrie Kneteman

by Lopex on Jun 25, 2010 3:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks... I knew I was looking in the wrong spot...

It must be because he has no Tour results?

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Jun 25, 2010 4:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

www.cqranking.com

Took me 1 minute to find out.

Money is the best doping. - Gerrie Kneteman

by Lopex on Jun 25, 2010 4:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well aren't you clever? I'm not in this regard. i did look.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Jun 25, 2010 4:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

What I did

FInd rider Farrar. Looked at all his results in 2009. Vuelta DNF, Tour 150th. Voila.

Money is the best doping. - Gerrie Kneteman

by Lopex on Jun 25, 2010 4:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

So he has only finished one tour. If he beats Cav once, then his Tour will be a success.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Jun 25, 2010 4:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or maybe surviving a sprint with Cav is something to cheer about.

    And to not get spat upon.

Bicycling is the nearest approximation I know to the flight of birds. Louis J. Helle, Jr.

by flying dog on Jun 25, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

heh :)

"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell

by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 25, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just getting to Paris? I think that goal is a little bit light...Gesink isn't a baby and knows his way around a GT seeing as he has gone top 10 twice at the Vuelta

That should be a goal yes but he should be aiming for top 5 or top 10 and if he has a bad day then try to still get top 15 but see what he can do in the Pyrennes.
As you will see in my young rider preview coming up, Gesink might have a hard time in that race seeing as A. Schleck is still 25 (the contest being riders 25 and under) so it does him no good to compete for 2nd place in the young riders comp.

Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!

by Vlaanderen90 on Jun 25, 2010 7:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Gesink, may arrive in Paris with the Young riders Jersey... he would be a worthy recipient.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Jun 25, 2010 7:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I have a big post coming up on the Tour young riders but...

It is going to be a hot contest for white this year. I hope it isn’t as lopsided as it might look. There is some serious legitimate talent this year in terms of young riders so I am excited to see what happens

Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!

by Vlaanderen90 on Jun 25, 2010 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Looking forward to that post!

Money is the best doping. - Gerrie Kneteman

by Lopex on Jun 25, 2010 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll look forward to it. i know how much I enjoyed watching Porte race for white in Italy.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Jun 25, 2010 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Looking forward to the post as well

but I admit I have a hard time seeing past Schlecklet for white.

It’s so stupid I’m speechless--Fabian Cancellara, on claims that he rode a motorized bike in the classics

by majope on Jun 25, 2010 7:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

He needs to hurry up and turn 26. I forgot he was still young enough to win it :(

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Jun 25, 2010 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

i guess Kreuziger is still under 25?

but andy has to be the class of the bunch

by yeehoo on Jun 25, 2010 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

you'll have to hurry and put your post up, before we've discussed it all here :)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Jun 25, 2010 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

to clarify

I don’t mean he should hang around the gruppetto. I mean he needs to stay in all the way so he can get used to the speed of the Tour, contest the mountain stages to some degree, and improve his pack skills, which IIRC aren;t great.

"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell

by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 25, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I believe his pack skills are all right

Just recently Lars Boom said in an interview that Gesink is a pleasant leader to work for. Always with the first 40-50 of the peloton just like him (Boom), he never has to go and look for him, he’s always there. To me that is a clear sign he has sufficient pack skills.

Sure, he fell a few times but that was also due to bad luck. Mosquera tipping over right in front of him in the Vuelta for example.

Money is the best doping. - Gerrie Kneteman

by Lopex on Jun 25, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK

this is the hidden side of cycling that I’m always trying to figure out, usually with scant info.

"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell

by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 25, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trusting Frank Schleck was also an issue...

Warning... not everything I say should be taken entirely seriously

by addict on Jun 25, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh c;mon..

If you are in the attack and at thetop of the hill Schleck shouts to you! Get in my wheel! What is your reaction than?!?! Right! Get the hell out of there!
So basically Gesink’s own fault

by Frinking on Jun 25, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Morning, everyone!

http://bit.ly/a2Vz1U
Team Milram sabotaging LA training! lol

"The structure of our sport needs to change towards a model of other successful professional sports like soccer, tennis, Formula 1," Johan Bruyneel.

by holmovka on Jun 25, 2010 8:01 AM EDT reply actions  

yes. he got bonus points on the road and wore the yellow for one day.

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Jun 25, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

One to watch

Janez Brajkovic. If, as has been said by most, the Alps are not likely to be very selective, Brajkovic could enter the last week of the Tour highly placed.

If he can hang in the Pyrenees, a big final time trial performance from him can shake up this Tour.

by BTD on Jun 25, 2010 8:36 AM EDT reply actions  

His Dauphine form might have been too good

I agree, but worry a little about him being in too good of shape too early. By the third week of his first Tour, he’ll be feeling the fatigue for sure.

by B-Mil on Jun 25, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

He'll be fatigued

from working for LA all those weeks.

Money is the best doping. - Gerrie Kneteman

by Lopex on Jun 25, 2010 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

He is there strictly as a domestique for LA.

That might mean he has a solid, rather than an outstanding result.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Jun 25, 2010 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kloden was a domestique for Ullrich

in 2004 and he finished 2nd.

More importantly, if the Alps are not selective, and Brajkovic AND Armstrong can hang in the Pyrenees, the last time trial can be big for Jani.

by BTD on Jun 25, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

But name a minion on one of LA's seven teams who has fared that well...

Kloden and Ullrich were/are best friends… and their DS wasn’t in love with Ulli. That said, Klodi’s on my VDS team, so I hope I’m wrong..

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Jun 25, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

From Dirk Demol at Radioshack:
We chose pure slaves," Demol told Het Belang van Limburg, speaking about the likes of Chris Horner, Andreas Klöden and Levi Leipheimer.

I think that says it all really. It will be like the Diso days… and i for one am nervous. The men riding for armstrong are well known for their work ethic and their willingness to put aside their own ambitions in favour of their ‘leader’. i think Armstrong chose really well. And personally, I think the age and experience of the domestiques is in the main, an advantage.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Jun 25, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

The problem is the leader

can’t fly up a mountain anymore or drill a time trial.

This is not a winning strategy with THIS leader imo.

by BTD on Jun 25, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Probably not... but his 'boys' will leave their blood on the road trying.

To be fair, so probably will Lance.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Jun 25, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Defnitely Lance will

and I imagine Lance will hold his own going up the mountains.

I am just thinking about where JB and he think he can win time.

2 or 3 other threats going up the road might be a more effective way to pressure Astana.

The old formula is not going to work is my point.

At least imo.

by BTD on Jun 25, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree. I think he will look to gain time on the cobbles in stage 3

and on those flat windy stages. RS and saxo have teams well drilled in riding to protect a leader in echelons.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Jun 25, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

The old formula only works if you have the strongest rider in the race (a fact that Leaky forgot in last year’s Vuelta and remembered in this year’s Giro). If you don’t , all you are doing by driving the train uphill is sheltering your chief rival and burning your domestiques.

If Bruyneel puts his hardcore veterans on the front, sure they will whittle the group down to the heads of state – but if Lance gets isolated on a climb with (say) Bert, Schlecklet + 1, Basso +1, Evans and/or Sastre, he’s going to be the loser in the resultant shoot out.

I think he is better off riding conservatively, and keeping Horner, Braj and Klodi with him to hunt down attacks when they come.

Warning... not everything I say should be taken entirely seriously

by addict on Jun 25, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brajkovic should be sent on the attack when the first high mountains hit.

Contador tried repeatedly to shake him on Alpe d’Huez and couldn’t do it. Jani attacks in the Tour, Contador either has to follow and risk getting worn out, or let him go and risk Brajkovic getting a lead he could conceivably nurse to the end. Not much to lose from Radioshack’s perspective, and a lot to gain.

It’s so stupid I’m speechless--Fabian Cancellara, on claims that he rode a motorized bike in the classics

by majope on Jun 25, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why would you think it would be Jani attacking Bert?

I mean think of last year’s Tour. 1st mountain stage it was Bert that attacked. 1st Alps stage it was Bert that attacked. Sure Jani could attack before the final climbs but he’ll get reeled in by Astana and Saxo, no problem.

by ursula on Jun 25, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm also having a tough time thinking of Braj as a serious GC threat

Being good in the Dauphine is very different to being good in the tour; particularly when you are domestiquing someone.

I also think team dynamics play against this – I can’t see Dark Socks playing second fiddle to anyone in his team (motto, “all for one, one for the win”), so just can’t see Braj as a genuine GC threat. So if I am Bert et al, and see Braj go up the road, I simply shrug gallicly and let him go. his own teammates will eventually ride him down…

Warning... not everything I say should be taken entirely seriously

by addict on Jun 25, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depends on whether the goal is an Armstrong win

or a Contador defeat. I could see Radioshack going for the latter, so if I’m Contador (and admittedly, I’m not) I wouldn’t be so sanguine when Brajkovic takes off.

It’s so stupid I’m speechless--Fabian Cancellara, on claims that he rode a motorized bike in the classics

by majope on Jun 25, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Head games

make sense on this point.

Bruyneel should be talking it up.

by BTD on Jun 25, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Refreshing to see untainted analysis

And the goal may certainly be both. But if Jani were given a leash by the other GC fav’s and it worked out to give him a winning advantage, I have no doubt that RS would defend Jani’s lead.

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Jun 25, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dunno - I can't see it...

… you’re totally right that that is what a DS SHOULD do… but I remember the shenanigans when Contador went up the road last year. Bruyneel didnt even play the 1-2 card when he had Contador / Armstrong (Bert basically free lanced) – I can’t see him saying – “I don’t mind if Lance loses as long as Shack wins” -

In the final analysis, Shack is nothing without lance – in marketing terms as well as ego terms. US sponsors wouldn’t even begin to understand some middle european being the team leader and eventually winner: I think to them that would be the same as if Bert won.

No – Shack are all in for Lance. From a US marketing / sponsorship perspective, Lance winning = WIN. every other situation = LOSS

Warning... not everything I say should be taken entirely seriously

by addict on Jun 25, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well we cetainly don't have to argue about it

Because in the end I basically agree. They are certainly in this thing for Lance 100%. The other scenario is very unlikely to play out, but in the off chance it were to play out, and they calculated that no other GC guy could come back to Jani and that he felt strong and confident, I think they’d go for it. They could make Jani look American?

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Jun 25, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

:)

Stars and stipes all over his bike?

Warning... not everything I say should be taken entirely seriously

by addict on Jun 26, 2010 4:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Of course, that puts LA at risk as well, but it seems the right tactic to me.

by BTD on Jun 25, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, luckily Demol has no one (nick)named Spartacus on his team...

Who will lead wheeled rebellion against Johan Bruyneel.

Russian Vladimir Karpets is not only known for his mullet but also for his radical facial hair; he is not known for much else.

by Josenka on Jun 25, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well played!

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Jun 25, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

azevedo 6th in 2004, but several minutes down

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Jun 25, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not many high places for seven Tour wins..

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Jun 25, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually ....

Azevedo 6th ( wiki says 5th )
Herras 9th,10th
Pop 12th
Tyler 13th
Hincapie 14th

So a few decent places.

by thevaro on Jun 25, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not bad, but Kloden had more success with Jan ;)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Jun 25, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea but

name a minion who could ride with LA then. The past doesn’t tell much about the present here. Last year they pulled off 1st and 3rd. Sure they are riding for LA, but the rider structure is different in that “support” riders could place very high, if not ahead of LA.

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Jun 25, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I actually don't mind either way, so long as Lance stays off Twitter during the Tour.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Jun 25, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lance rocks on twitter

great photos, videos (training against cows again this time in France), music, and did you hear, he feels 28.

And you can knock LA off twitter without knocking Robbie, and that wouldn’t be fun.

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Jun 25, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't understand your last sentence...

I think you know i mean that I’d prefer he didn’t use Twitter to bitch about bert or others at the Tour. he demeans himself.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Jun 25, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know why, it makes perfect sense.

That last sentence should have been “can’t”. Yes I knew what you meant, but I take the occassional bad with the good.

Sorry Seahorse, and I try really hard to proofread especially when talking with you

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Jun 25, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks Sminer. Now I get it... yes Robbie has Twitter moments too..

Kloden is m y new favourite Twitterer. He also speaks Fringlish :)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Jun 25, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is Tony Martin, the same Tony Martin

that destroyed Cancellera in the TDS ITT this month and the same Tony Martin that finished with Andy Schleck and Alberto Contador on Mt Ventoux ?

I’m watching that guy. That combo could win the whole thing.

by thevaro on Jun 25, 2010 10:14 AM EDT reply actions  

While Martin did finish with Schleck and Contador on Ventoux...

…he was already up the road in a breakaway where he had been dropped by Barredo.

by B-Mil on Jun 25, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

You did see how he lost the yellow at the TdS?

That"s not a combo to win the whole thing.

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Jun 25, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I did, but if you read the topic as

“Ones to watch”, excluding most likely winners AC,AS,Evans, Menchov, LA etc, then his name gets a bit closer to the top. Anybody that beats Fabian Cancellera at his specialty is definitely one to watch.

by thevaro on Jun 26, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Im not banking on an impressive showing by Monfort

but I am gonna say, as for Belgian climbers, Jurgen VanDenBroeck is my dark horse for GC. I think he may be the guy who makes a name for himself this Tour. Not sure how his time trial is, but I think he’ll mix it up with the climbers on the big mountains.

"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"

by agl on Jun 25, 2010 12:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Chris is only featuring one Dutchman!?

And here I thought he campaigned for the Coming If Not Already Here Dutch Hegemony…

Russian Vladimir Karpets is not only known for his mullet but also for his radical facial hair; he is not known for much else.

by Josenka on Jun 25, 2010 1:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Vlaanderen90

is working on the younger guys thingy, I thought I’d leave him a few Hegemonizers if he’s interested.

"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell

by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 25, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

As much as I hate to admit it

Dutch hegemony is a thing of the past.

Money is the best doping. - Gerrie Kneteman

by Lopex on Jun 25, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is the future the Scandinavian Invasion?

Even if the Australians are already taking over…

Russian Vladimir Karpets is not only known for his mullet but also for his radical facial hair; he is not known for much else.

by Josenka on Jun 25, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually

Considering how small the country is, Luxembourg has it’s hegemony years presently. It will be a little less with Kirchen out of the picture but still. Slovenia is a big up and comer. My second article on the subject (the present state of internationalisation) will be out early next week. After that I’ll turn to the future. Good times!

Money is the best doping. - Gerrie Kneteman

by Lopex on Jun 25, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have you seen this?

http://www.volkskrant.nl/sport/article1393879.ece/Nederlandse_renner_kan_beter_concurreren_door_dopingaanpak
Van hen gelooft 83 procent dat ze dankzij de dopingstrijd beter kunnen wedijveren met de buitenlandse concurrentie. De tijd dat renners op het buitenblad de berg Cipressa opreden in Milaan-Sanremo is voorbij, zegt Karsten Kroon. Ook jonge renners kunnen het pelotontempo makkelijker volhouden.

by Frinking on Jun 25, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also...

“… as rare as mosquitos in a Minnesota summer…”

I live in the alleged great state of Minnesota which has plenty of mosquitos believe you me.

Russian Vladimir Karpets is not only known for his mullet but also for his radical facial hair; he is not known for much else.

by Josenka on Jun 25, 2010 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah

I haven’t confirmed that personally but, you know, standing water and all…

"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell

by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 25, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

YAY! Farrar gots two lead out men whats gots experience.

  Hunter and Dean might do a better job of putting Tyler in position than what we saw last year.

Bicycling is the nearest approximation I know to the flight of birds. Louis J. Helle, Jr.

by flying dog on Jun 25, 2010 4:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes

And I was mighty impressed by Dean’s leadout in the Giro. Renshawesque, it was.

by ursula on Jun 25, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

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