Team Saxo Bank "officially" in ruins
by OctaBech on Jun 27, 2010 8:22 AM EDT
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PrintThe long time DS Kim Andersen has just been released from contract to pursue his goal of creating a new Luxembourg based team(and to prevent him from persuading Saxo riders to follow him).
Source: http://tour2010.tv2.dk/article.php/id-31697573:team-saxo-bank-fyrer-kim-andersen.html
I recommend Google translation: Danish -> English.
With Kim creating a team in Luxembourg and him being the personal DS of the Schleck brothers and Fuglsang, it probably means he'll bring these riders with him.
Edit: He'll be creating the team along with Brian Nygaard, who had moved from Saxo to Sky to be the new spin doctor.. chief of communication.
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we gonna merge the two threads (see the older fanshot)
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
You are missing some of the fun.
Bicycling is the nearest approximation I know to the flight of birds. Louis J. Helle, Jr.
Yeah, but 3 days is a rather short notice
Do you think there’s a chance of Scott Sunderland joining the team?
Riis or Lux?
I doubt either but if any it would be Lux. Kim got Sunderland on CSC and Scott got Nygaard on Sky. That seems to be where there is a link. But I doubt Sunderland is getting back in the game on this level, think the family thing is real. He might be a consultant in the setup of the Lux thing though. His recent experience with Sky should be useful.
doubt scott will join
He is spending time with his family, they need him more than cycling.. But maybe consultant as Jens said
"the rest was over 30. And that doesn't mean old and useless, but experienced and with the stamina"
Jens! Voigt, Crit Intl Interview, 2009
by CycleGirl on Jun 27, 2010 8:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
A sick child is always a priority ;)
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Ah the hippie teacher!
Let’s all sit in a circle and sing Kumbaya, wishing for love and free peace.
J/K, I know you Australian are cool and throw foreigners behind a barb wired electric fence. :D
Well yes... my first thought was 'fuck off'... whatever.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
If you don't think he has his priorities straight, there is something wrong with you
Bike racing don’t mean shit. Family does.
Ceci n'est pas une signature.
emoticon ambiguity
The “sticking tongue out” / razzing can be “being rude,” but much more often, it’s got aspects of the “wink” rolled up in it, i.e. playful or tongue in cheek or ironic.
The combined wink/tongue, i.e.
; P
has not caught on for the second purpose. Maybe because it’s sometimes used for “sick drunk.”
Your comprehension is better than that. There was no ambiguity.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
On the other hand,
I probably shouldn’t have said “something wrong with you” although that was my sentiment at the time.
Ceci n'est pas une signature.
I'm still sulking over the kumbaya shit, so perhaps I'm not as objective as i should be ;)
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
given that it's hard to search the web for emoticons
I don’t have a lot of data. Here’s one site that lists options as “tongue stuck out” (but does not indicate in what frame of mind, i.e. being rude or acknowledging being goofy) and also as “shouting.” Both of those examples have noses, though. In contrast,
; p
is generally listed as “wink with a razz,” but I know I’ve seen it used for “f*cked up.”
Sorry, but that's why I wrote it on quatation
If possible, I’ll change it to released of contract. But I have little doubt about Kim having spent time on trying to persuade riders to follow him.
Wait, no I didn't :o
What made me think I had written “fired”? :s Better go outside and get some fresh air. :D
I'm not objecting to your word choice.
Fire" is from the article itself. The headline uses “fire.”
I’m worried about the fact that he clearly WAS fired, despite the denials and “pretty speak” about it. I could have used bold for emphasis, except that the subject lines are in bold anyway, so quotes are the only real was to add emphasis.
Was he trying to run two projects at once? If so, and if there’s no other problem, you ask him to cool it… you don’t fire him a few days before the TdF. So there’s presumably some bigger skeleton in that woodshed (to mix some metaphors) and I am now on tenterhooks waiting for it to come popping out.
My guess
It was something like “You’re still on our payroll, but we don’t want to see you anywhere near the riders or at the office.”
Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...
by TheFigurehead on Jun 29, 2010 6:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Can't dismiss that the very same though thas been nagging me
And if it’s the case, then with Sports Directors like Kim, Riis doesn’t need enemies.
With the timing
and given KA’s status on Saxo as the main strategist I think it’s safe to say this was a firing.
Riis clears it up (in the CN story linked below)
On Sunday morning, Danish broadcaster TV2 Sport reported that Riis had fired Andersen. "That’s not quite right and it’s not entirely wrong," Riis said
It’s so stupid I’m speechless--Fabian Cancellara, on claims that he rode a motorized bike in the classics
When I announced at my job that I was quitting in 3 months
to join a competitor they told me I could go straight home and someone collected my keys within an hour. This might be similar
At my job they don't even let you go back to your desk
unless you need to grab your keys to drive yourself home, and even then your escorted.
I do not know if Riis has a new sponsor signed
but if he doesn’t, then it probably isn’t a good Idea to say they’ve had a well liked insider who wants to take most of the riders.
On the Danish forum Feltet.dk people are guessing that the Schlecks and Kim are leaving because Riis got Contador. I personally find it unlikely because the team without the Schelecks and Fuglsang doesn’t have much mountain support for Contador, but.. yeah it’s a destinct possibility.
please please please please no. conta please don't go to saxo/riis.
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
by umwolverine on Jun 27, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
He'll stay at Astana...
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
BUT
if everyone leaves, and contador literally gets half a roster to fill up with whoever he wants, with his/Alonso’s sponsors, it may be an enticing venture. Considering it would be difficult to get an entire new organizational framework up for 2 athletes, who have athletic things to focus on ya know, maybe they work a 50-50 deal with Riis, buy or co-own Riis Cycling, and build a roster arounf hid framework and take advantage of his expertise and management knowledge. It seems perfect actually.
"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"
Yeah, but when Astana money couldn't bring the right riders
and Contador not having having any ties with the team.
I’m having a hard time seeing it as an option.
If riis brings a sponsor
and Alonso brings a sponsor, and they share a team, half danish, half spanish, i think it would work.
"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"
I don't believe in Riis + Contador
(except for the possible Specialized connection)
but Sastre and AC don’t get along so I don’t see how the Riis/Sastre relationship means anything?
I didn't know they don't get along,
from what I’ve seen and read they might not be best friends but get along well?
Anyhow, I don’t see Contador with Saxo/Riis, especially if Riis is losing more riders.
yeah, they most def don't get along too well
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
i remember reading something about that around the olympics time....
this is easier than rbjhan i hope....
if alonso/santander was going to do that, just take over the sponsorship of cde instead
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
i think its still Valverde's team
would that work, Conta and Valverde together?
"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"
sure
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
now that he keeps the vuelta
maybe he can switch back to classics again?
this is easier than rbjhan i hope....
Not a PT Team though
Wasn’t there something from the UCI that said new trams will not get PT Sratus straight away?? Will the schlecks go if not PT?
"the rest was over 30. And that doesn't mean old and useless, but experienced and with the stamina"
Jens! Voigt, Crit Intl Interview, 2009
by CycleGirl on Jun 27, 2010 8:55 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
bad spelling
Teams* and Status* sorry in mourning here
"the rest was over 30. And that doesn't mean old and useless, but experienced and with the stamina"
Jens! Voigt, Crit Intl Interview, 2009
by CycleGirl on Jun 27, 2010 8:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Story at CN says yes, it’s supposed to be a PT team, and yes, the Schlecks are going.
It’s so stupid I’m speechless--Fabian Cancellara, on claims that he rode a motorized bike in the classics
May be the long term aim but
Recent UCI management committee has set the maximum no of Pro Tour teams to 18.
So some team will either have to fold or not get renewed to create a space,
You think this is T-Mobile's year to win the tour again?
That Zabel is looking good for his 16th green jersey too…
by JustJoshinYa on Jun 27, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Wonder if Cipo will be competitive this year for Saeco?
(did I just jump too many years back?)
by JustJoshinYa on Jun 27, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
the baker boys!!!!
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
by umwolverine on Jun 27, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I just wish they'd consider inviting Unibet
"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"
The timing is awkward. What's this going to mean for Saxo in the Tour?
It’s so stupid I’m speechless--Fabian Cancellara, on claims that he rode a motorized bike in the classics
I agree... huge distraction... what a bummer :(
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Yeah, kinda strange timing, but tour time is about when teams start announcing what's next - isn't it.
Maybe Riis is about to present the new sponsor or something and this resolves the “how do andy and frank feel about the new sponsor” questions…
by JustJoshinYa on Jun 27, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
That pretty much sums up what just happened in my mind
"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"
V sad for Riis
But that looks pretty much like curtains for him and his team. What does he do now?
Warning... not everything I say should be taken entirely seriously
And he looks really relaxed and undisturbed in interviews
Either he has a new sponsor already signed and ready or he is taking ginormous amounts of relaxing medication. I can’t imagine he is that good an actor?
I hope so... I think he's usually poker-faced though.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Yes and no
He normally doesn’t take well to questions when he’s under pressure and has a hard time not showing his frustration.
Can't be more offfical, I think
“Naive to expect a Luxembourgian team without Andy and Fränk Schleck.” And he also blame Fuglsang’s refusal/reluctance to sign a new contract on Andersen’s project.
Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...
by TheFigurehead on Jun 27, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
If I had known my little post would reach the front page
I would have written something witty yet deep and intelligent in the Queen’s(proper) English. :(
So - does Riis have a viable team without the Schlecks and Fuglsang?
If he keeps Cancellara, he is reduced to being a cobbles classics team aka QS – and I am guessing that doesnt pay the bills. If he doesnt, all he is left with is a bunch of hardman domestiques with no-one to shepherd.
Tough place to be in
Warning... not everything I say should be taken entirely seriously
If he has a new sponsor and the spot of GT captain is open......
Can anyone see him having trouble recruiting a big name? Of course he might be late in the game with people already signed up but I could see a lot of riders sensing a good opportunity with Riis. So in that respect it might not be so tough?
kreuziger
"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell
by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 27, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree... good fit I would think.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Will he sign a sponsor without the Schlecks?
Cancellara could make serious money if he went to Sky I think, so he has reason to leave, I can’t see this holding together, unless he just wants to keep the Danish riders, sign a danish sponsor, and run a pro Continetal team, with a smaller number of riders. IHe could sign a whole new cast, but it wouldn’t be the same, and he needs to reassure sponsors very quickly he’ll have good riders left.
"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"
R.I.P. Riis Cycling
It was a good run Bjarne, i thank you for your leadership and service to the peloton, best of luck on your retirement, go win a tour and call it a career.
That being said, i fully expect the majority of the Saxo Bank team to follow over to Team Schleck, including the Danes, even though Sky will probably sign Cancellara for the largest contract ever seen in professional cycling, considering i doubt they’ll get anyone else. I have a feeling that team will have about 15 Saxo riders or so, just a little shake up, but it will seem similar.
"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"
Hey, I was about to write all of that. And you beat me to it.
No new sponser with and Andy and Frank. No chance in heck without Andy and Frank.
May the mass exodus begin !
Ouch, Riis has no secret sponsor
He is negotiating with a Danish cleaning service company and that’s about it
http://tv2sport.dk/node/58119
(in Danish)
"Danish cleaning service company" sounds slightly unimpressive
but ISS is one of Denmark biggest international companies. I think only Maersk and perhaps some of the agri-giants might be bigger. That would be a serious player, danish based with international ambitions…..
they once chuckled
“laminate flooring company? HAHAHA!”
"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell
by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 27, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
and
online credit company HAHAHA!
"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell
by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 27, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
and
Overpriced designer jeans company HAHAHA!!!
OK, they may have had a point there.
"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell
by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 27, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh it wasn't so much that
More that he has nothing to use as insurance when negotiating with the riders. They might all be goners when and if he finally get the sponsor. :(
That is def a possibility
and one I have seen as very very likely until I’ve seen Bjarne’s attitude lately and comments like Breschel’s to feltet.dk after DM. (Of course Bjarne might have a really good poker face and Matti might have secured a ride someplace else and that explains it)
I hope you are right
Though Kim may be good a making race schedules and know his riders well, he’s a tad boring/conservative “on the road”. At least, I do not remember any crazy attacks from the riders when Kim has been alone in the car.
Pro Continental staus for him
with a few Danes and a small budget, that’s the best he’ll get now unfortunately. But, maybe he could keep CAS and have a run at some races, keep rasmussen and some of the younger guys who have talent. Maybe not a washout, but not the same.
"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"
I think this might be jumping the gun
the world didn’t end because one DS jumped ship. Riders can always be replaced, this is a sad truth for fans but that is just how it is.
If he hasn’t got a sponsor lined up then things change of course but we don’t know yet.
I don't think it is the DS
It’s losing the Schlecks – and to a lesser extent Fuglsang – which kills. That’s 70% of the airtime gone. And if Cance goes as well, that’s it
Warning... not everything I say should be taken entirely seriously
Thats the most obvious option though
he can keep pro tour, but he wont keep Cancellara if theres any reason for him to bolt, he’ll find a home at a more stable team. So, without the Schlecks, and cancellara, with Breschel and Fuglsang already rumored out, and with Voight and O’Grady on the cusp of possible retirement, the team won’t have the same pinnache, and im not sure if its a team that will attract big sponsorship. I wonder if Bjarne’s past is finally catching up to him, maybe his image is too worn out at this point. But, if he wants to save his team, all the best, ill support him, but its a tough task.
"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"
This is basically making up fairytales based on a number of hypothetical scenarios, half of which have little base in known facts.
Sorry if that sounds harsh but there is just so much guesswork in that post.
yes it is
not thinking straight, sorry, the news saddens me, ive been a huge fan of the team, and i fear its future.
"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"
and guesswork is my specialty
leave me to my hypothetical thoughts, they do nor mean no harm, i fully expect everything i said has some basis on past speculation of which i believe to be true.
"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"
I think your take is pretty damn on
We know the Schlecks are gone, we know that Breschel is out of love with Bjarne, and we know that Voigt and O’Grady are both 150 years old.
Not sure there is much left – certainly no GC talent, and only Cance is “marketable” – and only as long as he stays
Really tough spot – and I like the team too so am really sad to see it go. Plus, I think Bjarne has sunk a lot of his net worth into it and it has just gone poof
Warning... not everything I say should be taken entirely seriously
Good internal consistency, good tone.
All of the aspects that make good fiction convincing. No idea if it might happen to be true,but it hangs together nicely.
I suppose you could have moved the “I wonder” higher, given the considerable speculation that lies before the “wonder,” but I salute your expository skills and thoughtful extrapolation, regardless.
And my sympathies to all of us, but especially to Jens…this is painful for everyone, but more so with greater proximity. It’s a sad day to lose the synergy of the current lineup, as well as the strong team identity.
I'm curious about the Luxembourg team sponsors
Wondering what their promotional goals are in this.
Here is my two cents' worth of guesswork and hypothesis...
For some years now Riis has been running one of the most stable, successful, and respected teams in the sport. I would be surprised if there weren’t sponsors and riders interested in working with him. Saxo is so good that it could come down a long long way and still be better than some of the other teams in the Pro Tour.
Anyway, hope he can pull something together.
Cazzo, it's going to be a bloodbath! The Mortirolo is a horror, absolutely interminable. -- Michele Scarponi
Yes
For some years now Riis has been running one of the most stable, successful, and respected teams in the sport. I would be surprised if there weren’t sponsors and riders interested in working with him.
While I know that there are no guarantees in anything, I still have a hard time seeing how something as good as this team could be taken apart involuntarily. If it collapses – and I have to say that the Schlecks leaving is 66% of a collapse – it’ll even make me a bit sad for it.
Sad day.
Favorite team is done…
Who to root for? My team needs to target all major classics (minus maybe MSR) and make a serious annual run at the podium in the Tour plus either the Giro or Vuelta. Sprinters fine if they can do the classics but must not be a GT centerpiece. Highly international roster required, token American a plus. Doping needs to be taken seriously but not asking for a team of Paul Kimmages.
A Schleck-based team is off to a good start, but have to see whether they can do anything besides the Tour and the Ardennes. BMC with Cancellara is a ltitle too Quick Steppy. Columbia far too sprint happy, Katusha too Ardennecentric. Garmin I like, but in the same sense that I root for the Detroit Tigers..and they’re getting a little sprint happy. RS I root for because I’m a contrarian, but they are what they are. Astana is run by Vino.
Liquigas is getting close to the old CSC model, but they’re not much on the cobbles (yet) and still seem a bit too Italian about doping. Plus Kreuziger is leaving.
So then…Rabobank? Shame they let my fellow Dutch-American Tejay VanGarderen run off to Columbia. But I think that’s where I’m headed.
thats the question im having to ponder
guess I should just wait to see where the dominoes fall.
"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"
Ugh. Mostly agreed (except the conclusion. Don't be daft.)
BMC, presuming it sheds GH shortly, could money up and not only snag Cancellara, but some real help for Cadel. I could get behind that. I feel like Katyusha is a catalyst waiting for its agent, which could interest me. RS? Obviously, LA has to go (& probably the Nugget), and they need to demonstrate some forward-looking goodwill (like committing to Jani) before I’d even consider it.
the tushies are way too opaque for my tastes.
And this is not your grandfather’s Rabobank (well, perhaps it would be better if it were?) but there’s a lot to like, as always, in their young riders (even if the DSing does seem to be done by the proverbial committee of blindmen feeling up an elephant).
Rabo go because I like the DSs to have a brain...
but I’m with you on the dilemma…
Warning... not everything I say should be taken entirely seriously
WWJD?
What Will Jens! Do? . . . . That’s the only important question.
Bicycling is the nearest approximation I know to the flight of birds. Louis J. Helle, Jr.
He'll save Milram
maybe…i don’t know, retirement may be likely for him unfortunately.
"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"
Noooooo! Bite your tongue!
Quick, close your eyes, spin around quickly three times and spit on the ground, hurry!!! You might escape the wrath of the Cycling Gods!
This whole thing sucks. I’m forcing myself to the “wait and see” side for now. Bah, change.
I'm with you 100%
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
believe me im not happy bout it either
"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"
I reckon he wil go and help andy and frank for a year.. They are good friends
Then take on a ds role the following year…..
or stay with whateva sponsor Riis pulls out of his you know what, and carry on for another year… It’s a waiting game now..
"the rest was over 30. And that doesn't mean old and useless, but experienced and with the stamina"
Jens! Voigt, Crit Intl Interview, 2009
agreed
I don’t see him going to Milram simply because he’s German.
"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell
by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 28, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Talk about a great moral booster heading into the Tour!
Los Geht's Deutschland!!!!
Down with Argentina!!!!
Quitter's People United member # 42
ok... I don't usually comment, but...
it could be worse...it could be raining....
by sedagive on Jun 27, 2010 9:50 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
if he was released and cannot take saxo rider’s how can A&F leave ?
sorry about premature post of title… so not blog-literate!
it could be worse...it could be raining....
by sedagive on Jun 27, 2010 9:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
But you've already mastered the reply button
which not everyone figures out right away(ahem..Seahorse..ahem :))
Los Geht's Deutschland!!!!
Down with Argentina!!!!
Quitter's People United member # 42
they'll finsih their contracts through this year
and leave next year. Kim Anderson split with the team, and everything is kind of on a good faith deal right now, as in nothng’s official, but assumed.
"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"
bububut Saxo is my fav. o¤ő team...
and please Phil, do not give me undo credit… my haitch tc phone did it… BTW, Thank-you and the rest of the ‘Gang’ for keeping me in stitches over the last year and a half !!!!
it could be worse...it could be raining....
by sedagive on Jun 27, 2010 10:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
And a big welcome to you :)
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
glad to have you
"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell
by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 28, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I've never really liked Riis
but this stinks for him, right before the Tour and when he’s searching for a sponsor. Especially for a team that prides itself on unity. But think of all the fun we’ll have making a big deal about each DS or rider that talks with one of the Sexy Back riders during the tour.
Can you say polemica?
Esp if Saxo riders start doing “strange” things in the race. Contador may just be able to buy himself some very effective help on the road….
Warning... not everything I say should be taken entirely seriously
I'd say check Twitter... I think i could make a good stab at a conspiracy theory at the moment...
My first question would be,‘How long are Kreuziger’s and kloden’s contracts?‘. The second would be,’Why was LA having lunch with the US ambassador to Lux two days ago?’
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Its no secret Lance wants Andy for Radio Shack
but that doesn’t look like its gonna happen, unless lance wants to back their project and just blow up RS. That would be horrible of him though.
"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"
No I don't actually have any thought of Andy going to RS...
I think Kreuziger and Klodi will be with the Schlecks though. i do think LA has probably offered advice on setting up a team though..
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Interesting quote from Basso though at Cyclingnews
“In a couple of year’s time, I will be helping Nibali and Kreuziger." Perhaps he can’t know they will both stay for the long haul, but it interests me that he says it’ll be their team soon enough, maybe that’s a way to entice them to stay. So, maybe Kreuzinger’s long term interests are best suited at Liquigas. As much as I hate to see Saxo’s frame work crumble, i’d hate to see Liquigas’ framework crumble too.
"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"
I think Kreuz will be going no matter what...too many team leaders at liqui..
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
one aspect of this developing story i don't quite get
is why not bring in the new sponsor to the existing team structure (riis cycling, or whatever it’s called)?
Is it that the sponsor doesn’t want to deal with bjarne (doping past?)? or that the schlecks don’t want to (more control)? or some other reason?
i didn’t think that the schlecks had any issues with riis. i don’t quite get it. maybe future developments will make it more clear.
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
I have also wondered about that, and am waiting anxiously for some answers.
by LittleOldLady on Jun 28, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm only speculating here, but i think the desire to always be on the same team and generally in the same races
could have been problematic. We know that Andy always says that frank must be part of the package.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
It's not a Danish sponsor?
That seem to be what Riis always want. If I remember correctly it was the Danish branch of CSC that sponsored the team, now it’s a Danish bank. ISS, that apparently backed out, is a Danish company, and so is the one that is said to be remaining (GN ReSound).
Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...
by TheFigurehead on Jun 28, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
i wrote that same question, then deleted it
mostly because i had no idea about the danish branch of CSC thing. even so, would bjarne be willing to lose his team and his schlecks over the nationality of the sponsor? money talks, no matter what language. i don’t dicount the possibility, but it seems a personal falling-out seems more likely.
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
My interpretation is that there must be someone
with ambitions to play a controlling part in a team among the backers of the team. If you simply sponsor Riis Cycling, final say will always sit with Bjarne.
Kim Andersen also has a doping past
worse than Riis, actually. Well, he got caught and was suspended.
Ceci n'est pas une signature.
thus my anxiety over what all the firing could entail
Sorry, one some level i just don’t see everyone getting this jumpy, so far in advance, over the sponsorship issue, unless there are also other issues in play. I hope to be wrong.
Entrepreneurship
I think Andy and Frank want to build an empire off their name, and the fact that Kim Anderson probably feels like taking his managerial career up a notch. At Saxo, Bjarne makes the calls, and the team is set up with Cancellara as the focal point. I think it was time for the Schlecks and Anderson to be the ones in charge.
"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"
More news from Denmark
http://tour2010.tv2.dk/article.php/id-31737864:schleck-har-kendt-holdplaner-l%C3%A6nge.html
Frank, Andy and Kim have been working on the projekt since 27 january.
The money behind the projekt come from Flavio Becca.
I thought there was also support from the Lux. govt itself?
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
And
stay the hell out of Malmo.
"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell
by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 28, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
This is why he was too chicken to invest in Riis Cycling
Copenhagen Airport is a mere 20 drive away from Danger
Hmm, I hope the Schlecks do not get too much to say on the new team
Can’t imagine it being healthy for their development… But then again, Armstrong has done nicely(not that the Schlecks ever will reach his level).
Can the split partly be due to Riis not letting the Schlecks participate in the cobbles classics?
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