King of the Mountains Preview w/Power Poll
The Trick here is to predict who's interested
The race for the KOM prize is one weird competition. If the Tour were high school, the KOM winner would get the "Coolest Guy" award. But it's not obvious before the race who will wind up seriously challenging for the prize. Even riders who have said they will want the jersey may not, as the race unfolds poorly for them (possibly by doing to well) actually challenge for it.
So you can't make a list of riders who are definitely competing for the prize ahead of time. Well, actually you can but that list is almost guaranteed to be wrong because who actually winds up competing for the spotty jersey mostly depends on how the race for the General Classification unfolds. What happens is that you get a few aggressive riders in the early stages where the climbs are low and people wonder if any of them are gonna try to stick it out in the Alps and Pyrenees. Almost always they don't. Then you get the first Cat 2, and Cat 1 climbs and riders start to make themselves known. By this point though the KOM prize is still getting mixed up with the overall prize in that the big race favorites aren't gonna let anyone just escape to claim the climbing points as that rider might then take a decisive race lead. Instead, look for riders who are already several minutes back and thus are no threat to the overall lead to make their moves. Usually we are talking about two-three riders at this point fighting it out over the last half of the race. It should be mentioned that there's the slight possibility that the leader of the General Classification might take the prize. It's rare but usually the GC winner is #2 or #3 in the KOM race as well so there's always that possibility if there is not otherwise a clear KOM leader.
Sound complicated? Actually it isn't. This year, as in most years, expect the winner to snag around 160-200 points with the second place rider well behind at less than 140.
How the points are won
There are five categories of climbs. Here they are with the points that the first riders to crest them earn:
Cat 4: 3, 2, and 1 point for the first three riders.
Cat 3: 4,3,2, and 1 point for the first four riders.
Cat 2: 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, and 5 points for the first six riders.
Cat 1: 15, 13, 11, 9, 8, 7, 6, and 5 points for the first eight riders.
Hors Categorie (HC): 20, 18, 16, 14, 12, 10, 8, 7, 6, and 5 points for the first 10 riders to crest the hill.
Important Note: If a Cat 2, 1, or HC climbs is the last climb of the stage its points are doubled. Those stages are with the category of climb involved are: stage 7-Cat 2, 8-Cat 1, 9-Cat HC, 10-Cat 2, 12-Cat 2, 14-Cat 1, 15-Cat HC, 16-Cat HC, and stage 17-Cat HC
Kind obvious that those riders who can get over the high finishing climbs first will get the lion's share of the KOM points, no?
So who might we expect to be contesting for the prize? Before I go into some names, realize again that this competition doesn't reveal itself until we are actually in the mountains. There are no current riders that target this competition year after year like Richard Virenque did in the 90's. But there are a couple of likely suspects:
1. Egoi Martinez, Euskaltel
Why? He's making a career of snagging KOM jerseys in various stage races. He was second in the competition in last year's Tour, and won the KOM in the 2006 Vuelta. Lately he's won the KOM jerseys at this year's Dauphine, and last year's Pais Vasco, and Tirreno-Adriatico. Look to see if he drops back in the overall race before we hit the Jura and Alps. If so bank on him making a strong play.
2. Pierrick Fedrigo, Bbox
Why? Good climber who won't sniff the head of the race, he will definitely be stage hunting in the mountains. If that stage hunting proves successful early on we may see him contest the KOM prize. Or not.
3. David Moncoutie, Cofidis
Why? Two-time winner of the KOM prize in the Vuelta (in 08 and 09) I can imagine him topping of his palmares before retiring with a spotty jersey, can't you? In fact I'll make him the sentimental favorite. He has won two Tour stages in his career.
edit- Maybe Damiano Cunego as suggested by agi? eh?
4. Matthew Lloyd, Omega Pharma Lotto
Why? He won the KOM prize at the Giro in May and how cool would it be to win both?
5. Joaquin Rodriguez, Katusha
Why? Cause he's the best climber in the bunch. If he falls of the pace of the GC competition look for him hunting the spots. Hell, even if he doesn't fall off the pace.
Other riders could be mentioned-and will in the comments. The KOM race won't start to take shape until week two. We'll come back then to see where we stand.
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not the happiest of recent histories :-(
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
indeed
pop quiz people – name three TdF KOMs won by a rider who hasn’t been busted…
I get to Soler, and that is sort of it…
Warning... not everything I say should be taken entirely seriously
makes me slightly reluctant to make any predictions or suggest any candidates!
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
Soler, Rinero (98), JaJa (01-02)
At least I don’t think JaJa was actually busted…I know he left the 98 Tour in protest. Otherwise you probably have to go back to the past Dutch hegemony.
The history makes me not even want to suggest names…though JRod is a good call. Damiano Cunego could make a run here. Maybe even Mick Rogers. Jurgen VandenBroeck?
Stage 7 will tell us a lot about who our contenders are. Tons of points out there and guys have to sacrifice their GC hopes to get them. Mountain top stage next day.
by Mr 60 Percent on Jun 29, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Past Dutch mountain jersey winners
What, like Rooks & Theunisse? Clean as a whistle! Heh.
Ceci n'est pas une signature.
Clean as Michael Boogerd
Correct me if I’m wrong but I think that Rooks, like Boogerd, was never caught. He just admitted his sins years after he retired. Let’s see if Boogie ever fesses up.
Theunisse I know had a bunch of positives.
by Mr 60 Percent on Jun 29, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Sastre too...he got it after Kohl was stripped of it
"A mountain is not an obstacle, it is an opportunity" - Robert Millar
I don't believe that's the case
Kohl was stripped but I haven’t seen where Sastre was elevated to 1st. There is no KOM winner in 2008.
Oh really? I thought I'd read somewhere that Sastre was now the winner...
…but that was ages ago and the source may well have been uninformed!
"A mountain is not an obstacle, it is an opportunity" - Robert Millar
Yeah, I thought so too...
But I keep looking at the official Tour stats and on other sites and I see Kohl was definitely stripped but Sastre wasn’t elevated.
I mean to say
You’d think Sastre would have won and probably all of us just presumed, nut it doesn’t look like the case though maybe someone can point to something that definitely says otherwise.
I don't think I've read it anywhere official...as you say, it was probably presumed
"A mountain is not an obstacle, it is an opportunity" - Robert Millar
uhhh Lucien Van Impe, Federico Bahamontes andddd Charly Gaul
Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!
by Vlaanderen90 on Jun 30, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Moncoutie isn't doing the TdF this year, so he's my favorite!
He is riding the Vuelta to win the KOM in that race again? Weird.
"That's like, your opinion man." - The Dude
he said last year he'd had it with the Tour, so not surprising, really
thought his rubbish showing at the Giro was rather more though
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
Im gonna throw another name out there
Daminao Cunego will probably go stage hunting, he’s not a GC guy any more, but he’s gotta the climbing ability, and the experience to seriously go after the polka dot jersey. I fully expect him to be up there in the competition.
"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"
Oooh, that would be fun!
I try not even to think about Cunego these days, so that I’m totally happy when he gets a result :)
lacks consistency
He can win stages but has too many jours sans when he’ll get no points. But I’d love to see him prove me wrong.
"The road is our agony, but also our daily bread; and at night, when it is deserted and the moon glistens on the asphalt, the ridiculous dreams of racers like us pass up and down it."
--Dino Buzzati
by nrs5000 on Jun 30, 2010 11:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
First riders to climb the Pyrenees 1910
Col d’Aubisque & Tourmalet
His body heaved at the pedals, like an automaton, on two wheels. He wasn’t going fast but he was at least moving. I trotted alongside him and asked ‘Who are you? What’s going on? Where are the others?’ Bent over his handlebars, his eyes riveted on the road, the man never turned his head nor uttered one sole word. He continued and disappeared round a turn. Steinès had read his number and consulted the riders’ list. Steinès was dumfounded. ‘The man is François Lafourcade, a nobody. He has caught and passed all the cracks’ … Another quarter-hour passed before the second rider appeared, whom we immediately recognised as Octave Lapize. Unlike Lafourcade, Lapize was walking, half leaning on, half pushing his machine. But unlike his predecessor, Lapize spoke, and in abundance. ‘You are assassins, yes, assassins!’ To discuss matters with a man in this condition would have been cruel and stupid.
maillot à pois rouges – Early on: Little Tommy Vockler – Egoi Matinez your winner
Soli Deo Gloria
by LooseHorse on Jun 29, 2010 3:42 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm disappointed
You didn’t give Rafael Valls a place in the spotlights!
Money is the best doping. - Gerrie Kneteman
You mean my"wtf did I pick this guy for?" pick?
Los Geht's Deutschland!!!!
Down with Argentina!!!!
Quitter's People United member # 42
Interesting jersey
I’ve always seen it as a jersey some guy finds themselves in one day and is like “Cool, not bad, I think I’ll try to keep this.” There have been guys like Virenque who I think mistook it for the overall and now thinks he has as many or more than Lance.
I hope it’s Soler, but I doubt it’s more than a coin toss for me to guess who will end up with it.
Perhaps Contador, since he will be given a little room to play up the road since he’ll be so far back after his troubles on the cobbles.
"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton
Well god dammit
What is he racing this year?
"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton
He's still injured from the Dauphine. Caisse are pretty bummed too.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Or perhaps Szmyd, if he will be given more room to play up the road because Basso not recovered enough from the Gyro?
"The structure of our sport needs to change towards a model of other successful professional sports like soccer, tennis, Formula 1," Johan Bruyneel.
Ha ha! But sooner or later they have to let him to win something for all his work in the mountains!
"The structure of our sport needs to change towards a model of other successful professional sports like soccer, tennis, Formula 1," Johan Bruyneel.
My VDS team hopes so.
It’s so stupid I’m speechless--Fabian Cancellara, on claims that he rode a motorized bike in the classics
So does mine..
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
yep, i wouldn't mind it either!
"I was watching the Tour de France in 2005, just being a fan again. I thought, ‘you're a fucking idiot. You're a bike fan who gets to ride the Tour de France.'"
- david millar
I am so envy you people, to having VDS teams! Why I didn’t discover this website a few month earlier?!
"The structure of our sport needs to change towards a model of other successful professional sports like soccer, tennis, Formula 1," Johan Bruyneel.
Have a look at my new fanpost... you can have a Tour team... not as good, but something..
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Going to look right away!
"The structure of our sport needs to change towards a model of other successful professional sports like soccer, tennis, Formula 1," Johan Bruyneel.
Really, you might have known that marmottes' legs are too short to reach the pedals
"A mountain is not an obstacle, it is an opportunity" - Robert Millar
no Szmyd either i think
"The road is our agony, but also our daily bread; and at night, when it is deserted and the moon glistens on the asphalt, the ridiculous dreams of racers like us pass up and down it."
--Dino Buzzati
by nrs5000 on Jun 30, 2010 11:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You think Fedrigo has a chance?
I’d love to see it.
I’m always slightly disappointed that GC contenders never seem willing to “lay it on the line” and also target this Jersey.
moo
John Gadret
solid climber but not going to be a CG threat. His team is stage hunting so why not also go for a jersey?
Los Geht's Deutschland!!!!
Down with Argentina!!!!
Quitter's People United member # 42
i like gadret
he hung with the bigs for pretty much all of the giro, could be a good shout.
"I was watching the Tour de France in 2005, just being a fan again. I thought, ‘you're a fucking idiot. You're a bike fan who gets to ride the Tour de France.'"
- david millar
Gadret could be a good shout. I've been super impressed with him this year.
"A mountain is not an obstacle, it is an opportunity" - Robert Millar
amets! moreau!
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
Moreau...would be a great career sendoff
Hard to believe everyone here forgot about him.
In any case, I’m sure that in the mountains we will see a lot of the man and his tongue.
by Mr 60 Percent on Jun 29, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Thor
Will hoover up all the mountain points on a two week long solo breakaway.
Bunch of slack-jawed faggots around here. This stuff will make you a god damned sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me - Jens Voigt, Predator (1987)
Andy Schleck, Rein Taaramae, Tony Martin, Van den Broeck
I guess it will be one of the top guys, the one who finds himself 20 mins back after 4 days, and then makes sure to fall another 45 mins back then next day.
Thomas Voeckler, Mick Rogers, really all the B guys. Dami, LL Sanchez.
It would be great for Gadret to get it.
What about Pelizotti? He'll be there I think?
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
No.
Liquigas for the Tour:
Ivan Basso
Roman Kreuziger
Sylwester Szmyd
Francesco Bellotti
Kristjan Koren
Aliaksandr Kuchynski
Daniel Oss
Manuel Quinziato
Brian Bach Vandborg
It’s so stupid I’m speechless--Fabian Cancellara, on claims that he rode a motorized bike in the classics
thanks... i thought Liqui were being a touch foolhardy..
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Can't wait to see how Oss gets on...
"A mountain is not an obstacle, it is an opportunity" - Robert Millar
I'll go for Matty Lloyd... he looked pretty hungry at the Giro..
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
I thought Sam-San is looking at the being up in the GC this year?
If so, Martinez will be needed to get coke and he’ll not be allowed to go on any fliers to rack up points.
Lots of sandbagging about SamSan going for stages and not GC
I think he will get over it once they have cleared the cobbles and (if) he isn’t 7 minutes behind.
Yeah I think of Esukaltel as a split team
Much like say Columbia or Cervelo except in the Euskies’ case their split isn’t between a sprinter and a GC man but between a GC guy and one or two KOM guys.
A few who should seriously think about the Climbers Jersey are -
1 – Sastre. Look, he’s just coming back after a crappy Giro and a nasty injury. This is a much easier balance for the team if Thor is in Green also.
2 – Gerdemann. The kid could really use the press as he’s done all but shit for quite some time now.
He could easily get into a few breaks and load up on points because everyone knows he’ll nuke in the third week anyway. Also, similar to Sastre, it is much easier for the team to balance him and Ciolek that way also.
The most awesomest thing in the world would be to see Txurruka really go for it.
I loved him more and more at Pais Vasco, the way he was always in the breaks, snaffling everything he could, then the poor little dude did his collarbone in with the dots all but sewn up. I’d dance for joy if he got it here. He has such heart.
"A mountain is not an obstacle, it is an opportunity" - Robert Millar
Yes! Amets Txurrukian ( Inside jock! ) is a class act!
"The structure of our sport needs to change towards a model of other successful professional sports like soccer, tennis, Formula 1," Johan Bruyneel.
Don't forget people
Winning the KOM competition is extremely hard. Arguably harder than any of the other competitions since you’ll get no help at all from your teammates. Breaking away in the early part of the stage when 50 riders have the same idea requires perseverence, stamina and quite some luck. To break away frequently to go after the polka dot is quite a feat.
I doubt some of the 2nd rate GC-guys would be up to the task.
Money is the best doping. - Gerrie Kneteman
You right the most underappreciated Jersey!
"The structure of our sport needs to change towards a model of other successful professional sports like soccer, tennis, Formula 1," Johan Bruyneel.
I'm already missing Soler..
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Not even single Columbian in this year’s Tour.
"The structure of our sport needs to change towards a model of other successful professional sports like soccer, tennis, Formula 1," Johan Bruyneel.
I know...so sad. But Soler will be back, I'm sure.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
i, for one, appreciate the hell out of it
i’ve always said that if i were leading both the gc and the kom competitions, i’d wear the polka dots and let second place wear yellow (if they would even allow that). unfortunately, as of late at least, it has seen its share of doper’s shoulders.
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
OK but
you might not like it if they withhold your 350EUR prize for wearing yellow for a day.
"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell
by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 30, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
as long as i still get the podium kisses, i don't mind
and i’d pay 350EUR to have it be with this podium girl
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
Yeah, best evah!
although that from a few years back with the fair curly hair & dimples was pretty fantastic, too.
Ceci n'est pas une signature.
She still looks like Minnie Mouse
"A mountain is not an obstacle, it is an opportunity" - Robert Millar
ahhh yes, the best n my lifetime for sure
Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!
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