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the picadors: or, the mountain lead-out guys


I might not be able to come up with five guys for this, but this role is decisive and often over-looked.  Like the picadors in the bull-ring, whose job is to wear, vex, annoy, and tire the bull out for the matador to finish him off, the picador's job is to inflict pain, suffering, and vexation and begin to create the conditions to make a selection.  There's the cliche about "the riders make the race."  Well, it's these guys who do that on the climbs.

For teams with multiple possible leaders, like say Rabobank or Liquigas, it becomes difficult to figure out--and maybe won't be figured out until they're on the road, who gets the short straw.

In the US Postal/Discovery days, guys like Heras, Rubiera, Azevedo, and Beltran did the deed.  (In fact, one of my favorite moments in a Grand Tour occurred on the first ramps of l'Alpe D'Huez the year Beltran drilled it so hard that he dropped Armstrong momentarily).

So, there's an art to putting in a couple of kilometers at a pace that torments everyone without causing an obvious gap.  There's also a managerial skill in convincing guys--many of whom, almost by definition, could think of themselves as g.c. riders, to blow themselves up for someone else.  Riis's leadership in the 08 Tour worked well in getting the Schleck's to set up Sastre.

Personally, my favorite set-up guys are Jens! Voigt and Fabian Cancellara--sure they're not mountain goats, and that's what makes it so fun to watch when one of them has gone in an early break, then sits up and gives another k or 5.

But who's best at this role (and who winds up drawing the short straw on Radio Shack?)

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I think Kloden has the shortest straw...

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Jun 29, 2010 10:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Temperamentally, he seems to enjoy this sort of role:

well-defined task and obligations that don’t involve winning or leading.

by R Mc on Jun 29, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes... and it may be that he likes to be relied upon... it carries its own rewards.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Jun 29, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Jens!

Last year he once again showed why he is so invaluable to a team. I can’t recall which climb but he absolutely killed it and left a serious wake behind him. All heart. Of course, Horner is no slouch at killing himself for the boss either, and seems to love every minute of it.

Both Levi and Klodi will burn all of their matches for LA’s last rodeo. That’s why they are there.

If you don't have time to do it right the first time, when are you going to have time to do it again?

by CannonDowell on Jun 29, 2010 11:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Horner is capable of burning off most of the peloton...

Then hanging in to finish in the top ten.

Cazzo, it's going to be a bloodbath! The Mortirolo is a horror, absolutely interminable. -- Michele Scarponi

by tgartner on Jun 29, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

So terribly glad Horner is back at the Tour.

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Jun 30, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Szmyd at Liquigas

is fab at this role.

And I would expect to see Fuglsang do it for the Schleck bros at Saxo.

by Jen See on Jun 29, 2010 11:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Sylvester Szmyd probably one of the best in this roll! I only can imagine how peloton ( except Liquigas, off course) hated him during Giro’s mountain stages!

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by holmovka on Jun 29, 2010 12:23 PM EDT reply actions  

+100!

And as I mentioned in a previous post during the Giro, I liked seeing him look over his shoulder occasionally to check out the carnage that lay in his wake. All business, that young man.

Someone on here commented last year in an unsung heroes thread about Michael Barry and how the peloton would shed their jackets when they saw him moving to the front, knowing it was about to get hard and fast. I imagine Szmyd illicts similar reactions.

by Spot of Bother on Jun 30, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

When Szmyd moves to the front, the peloton...

Remove their chastity belts, because they’re about to get a damn good buggering.

Bunch of slack-jawed faggots around here. This stuff will make you a god damned sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me - Jens Voigt, Predator (1987)

by tenchu on Jun 30, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

"You mean, coitus?"

Lebowski reference aside, I agree.

by Spot of Bother on Jul 1, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love these guys

they are not only selfless but when you see them on the front, you know you are in for a really good stage.

Smyzd is a given.

Tony Martin showed what he could do in California this year — at the Big Bear stage. He just needs a GC threat to be riding for.

Saxo always seems to have a team full of them. Very fun to watch.

I hate mountain lions. -me

by fineco on Jun 29, 2010 3:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Cancellara kicks ass on easy gradients

I’m thinking we might see him on the Aubisque or the lower slopes of the Bales. Maybe at Morzine.

Beltran on Alpe d’Huez. Lance was actually pissed at him that night. But Ullrich was about 500 km back by the time Beltran pulled off. I’ve always thought that if Beltran (who was new on the team) had rode at the usual USPS tempo, Ullrich might have stayed in the group or made it back….and so would have won the Tour.

by Mr 60 Percent on Jun 29, 2010 7:09 PM EDT reply actions  

VIno was pretty awesome at the Critter International

so much so he cracked Bert(OK allergies did but at the time he seemed to have put his teammate in some pain). A good breathing Bert should love that type of pace.

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by Phil H. on Jun 30, 2010 2:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Caisse are good at this too

Kiriyenka and others at the Vuelta, and Jeannesson and others (incl Kiriyenka) at the Giro, etc.

LLS is better supported than most.

by andrewp on Jun 30, 2010 6:07 PM EDT reply actions  

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