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Tour de France: Let's Rank the Climbs

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There are Twenty-five "Category 2", "Category 1" and "Hors Categorie" climbs in the 2010 Tour de France.

Which is the hardest?  Which is the most over-rated?  Which is the most overlooked?    Let’s take an analytical approach to ranking the climbs.  And then add a little bit of subjectivity to the debate. 


METHODOLOGY

There are several formulas out there that try and quantitatively rank mountain climbs.  I am going to use the climbbybike difficulty index  (www.climbbybike.com).  The formula results in an arbitrary difficulty number that can then be used to contrast and compare with other climbs.

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Why this formula?  Why not?  And because generally the results feel right to me, (oh, and it’s not TOO complicated). 

Click here for a detailed explanation of their formula and a discussion of a couple of others.  In the comments feel free to debate the strengths or weaknesses of the various approaches.   Note, all the data in my charts will be metric.  For the Americans,  remember that metres are just long yards, and kilometres are really short miles.  

THE FORMULA
(H/D*100)*4 + H²/D + D/1000 + (T-1000)/100

Where:
    H = ascent in metres;
    D = length of climb in meters;
    T =  top of mountain in meters

The last part of the formula only applies to mountains above 1000 metrs and adds a fudge factor to approximate the impact of altitude.


THE CLIMB DATA
My numerical difficult rankings may differ slightly from climbbybike as I am using the climb data provided by the official Tour de France web site www.letour.fr .  But the differences are nominal and this allows me to consistently rate the minor or lessor known cotes/cols.

Each stage summary at www.letour.fr includes a list of classified climbs with it’s distance and average grade (ascent = % grade * distance). 

THE RESULTS
With the big exception of Col d’Aubisque, the difficulty scores for the 25 climbs line up with their official difficulty classification.

Note, for perspective I have added Alpe d’Huez, Mont Ventoux, and even Koppenberg to the chart as many will have a better feel for their difficulties than for some of the 2010 climbs.

Below let's discuss the top 10 climbs.  Note, I understand that by looking at climbs individually and not stage by stage that things are a little out of context.  But I am just trying to provide a starting point for discussion.

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1.  Col du Tourmalet - West Side (HC)

No surprise that Tourmalet is the hardest climb.  But the west side?  For me it's definitely the most beautiful side (the monstrosity of La Mongie is on the east side).  As you can see, it's a long, steady climb.  And with 1395 metres of ascent, it's the second biggest climb of the Tour. 

My thoughts:  It's worth remembering that before the "official" start of this climb it will be uphill for several kilometres unlike the east side (as that route will come from Col d'Aspin). And this will be the mountain top finish stage.  On paper, this is the best stage and best climb of the Tour.

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2.  Col de la Madeleine (HC)

This is a monster.  With 1581 metres of ascent it's by far the biggest climb bottom-to-top of the Tour.  As the profile shows, the grade is constantly changing.  This is a hard climb to get a rhythm on.  One for the true climbers.

My Thoughts:  This one hurts, and will be at the end of a long day.  The descent has 40+ hairpins.  Whoever wants this stage better know how to climb AND descend.  I am sure we'll debate over the next couple of weeks whether the finish is too far from the summit.  But I think this stage and climb will sort out the GC a little.

 

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3.  Port de Pailhères (HC)

This climb first appeared in the centenary Tour de France of 2003.  I believe this will be it's 4th time in the Tour.  It's the shortest climb in the top 5 but obviously consistently steep. 

My Thoughts: I have never cycled this climb, but it sure sounds fun.  It comes near the end of a stage with a mountain top finish at AX-3-domaines (13th most difficult) so it's a climb not to be missed.

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4.  Col du Tourmalet - East side (HC)

Note, the 2010 version of the east side joins the profile below about 6 kilometres in as it comes from Col d'Aspin. 

My Thoughts:  With my eyes closed, I would have said this is the harder side of Tourmalet.  It certainly has the steepest parts - especially leading up to La Mongie.  But this climb comes early in the stage and may well be similar to the 2009 Tourmalet stage - uneventful.

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5.  Col de la Colombière (Cat 1)

Fifth hardest? And only category 1?   A surprise to most I expect. This is the most famous climb close to me - and if you ask my brave wife what is her least favorite climb (and she's done Ventoux, Alpe, Galibier, etc) she'd say Colombière.  In part because the last brutal kilometres seem to be perpetually into a head wind.

My Thoughts:  It's too early in the stage to be decisive, but when the riders start climbing Madeleine, their legs will remember Colombière.

 

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This is getting long, so just quick comments on the next 5 - although I am happy to discuss in more detail if anyone is interested.

6.  Port de Bales (HC)

A fun addition.  This climb was only paved in 2006 - to appear in the 2007 Tour.

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7.  Col du Soulor (Cat 1)

If you have ever cycled the Pyrénées you have probably ridden Soulor (leading to or coming from Col d'Aubisque).  And in fact stage 16 will include Soulor as part of the Col d'Aubisque climb.

But I suspect you won't have ridden this north side that will appear in stage 17.  A very fun addition on a small, lessor known route. 

 

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8.  Col de la Ramaz (Cat 1)

Only other Tour appearance was in 2003 when Virenque won the stage and briefly held the yellow Jersey.  I have a video preview of this climb that you'll be asked to endure later on.

My thoughts:  This year they opened a tunnel to replace the falling cliff road.  Steepest part of climb is in the tunnel.  Ouch.

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9.  Col de Peyresourde (Cat 1)

Another very historic Pyrénées climb, first appearing in 2010.  Rarely decisive, it is usually used to link other mountains in a big stage, exactly like this year.   I think the Tour data excludes the first 3 kms of the profile below.

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10.  Col d'Aubisque (HC)

Rated Hors Categorie but only 10th on our difficulty list?  In part, I guess, the higher difficulty is due to it appearing late in stage 16.  But I suspect the other reason is just because it is so famous. As the profile shows, although 29 kilometres long, it includes long, easy stretches and even some downhill.

My thoughts:  Yes, it's a little less hard than generally believed, but it's a beautiful climb.  Even the flat bits like the cliff road through Cirque du Litor are just stunning.  I plan on thoroughly enjoying watching this climb.

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So? Thoughts?  Stupid rating system?  What's climb are you looking forward to? Any surprises?

 

A few more profiles:

Col des Aravis:

Beautiful Col, but they sell Cow pelts there!!!!!!

 

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Surprised to see the Marie Blanque so far down

since so many pros seem to mention how miserable it is. Perhaps this is an example of how macro-numbers fail to capture the full picture? Anyone ? Bueller?

by Jens on Jun 29, 2010 4:45 PM EDT reply actions  

it's hard but VERY short

The debate gets to be whether you think – for example – one km @12% is worse than say 3 @ 7% (which would climb more).

It’s a very valid debate. I’ll see if I can grab a profile of Marie Blanque.

Note, the formula is able to give the VERY short Koppenberg a Cat 2 rating.

moo

by Willj on Jun 29, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Col de Marie-Blanque

Short and very sharp – Cat 1 seems right?

moo

by Willj on Jun 29, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wicked painful but

only three hard consecutive kilometers at a reasonable elevation. As an average guy planning next year’s cycling vacation, that profile doesn’t scare me like the others. But a TDF climber with a diesel engine won’t like it one bit.

by Mr 60 Percent on Jun 29, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

For me,

every kilometre steeper than 10% puts me in survival mode. So three in a row is pretty hard. It has been a long time since I have been there, it was back in the days when I climbed all the cols using 42×26... Don’t think I could do that now.

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by tedvdw on Jun 29, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes agreed

anytime it’s getting hard to turn the pedals, it can be really draining.

that would be hard for me in 42×26 ;)

moo

by Willj on Jun 29, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

hear hear

That’s a long time at that grade. Anything over 6% and I have to wonder how long I could keep on going.

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by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 29, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hear you

The one thing though about being in high-gradient survival mode is that it forces you to slow down and ride within yourself.

Four years ago I rode across Slovakia on my old Orbea. Fourth day’s profile seemed to indicate an easy climb to 1100m, a short dip down, back to 1100 km, then a few rolling hills. The first part was ok but the dip was a freakin waterfall and when I started back uphill the sign said “5 km at 12%.” Jesus. It was like the time I went to the movie theater, sat toward the front, and saw a movie I had never heard of…titled Silence of the Lambs.

As it turned out, I got to the top surprisingly ok with standard gears because I was incapable of pushing pace. And because nothing was over 14 percent and the altitude was reasonable. The danger for me is when I see, say, 16 km at 6.5 percent and want to ride it almost like I would ride 5 km at 6.5 percent. Nothing like going deep in the red zone with over 10 km to go.

by Mr 60 Percent on Jun 29, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great jon Will

I wouldn’t mind more analysis for the other climbs at all and am a bit curious about Ax-3 and Avoriaz as they will be uphill finises. Oh and the Port de Bales would have been more fun had it NOT been paved.

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by Phil H. on Jun 29, 2010 4:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Graeme Fife describes the Port de Bales as a throwback to old times

a tiny road off the beaten track. Sounds a little like some of the roads from the Giro.

by Jens on Jun 29, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, tiny tiny roads

I had to make some connections by hand instead of relying on Google Maps to follow streets: http://www.bikemap.net/route/551432

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by tedvdw on Jun 29, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's Avoriaz

It’s definitely a proper climb …. but never too steep. I can attest that the last kilometer is currently the smoothest stretch of road in France.

It’s been in the Tour 6 other times between 75 and 94. And our friend the Badger won a stage there.

moo

by Willj on Jun 29, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wonderful job Willj

If you could add a word on Marie-Blanque and Laffrey (Have you climbed it?), that would be wonderful. Just a typo in your table, it’s Col de Soulor not Solour.

Again, thanks a lot for the numbers and graphics !

by FrenchKheldar on Jun 29, 2010 4:54 PM EDT reply actions  

I haven’t cycled Cote de Laffrey but it’s now on my list ;).

It’s a relatively famous little climb just south of Grenoble. It’s been in the Tour approximately 20 times and first appeared in 1905!

Unfortunately it’s most famous as the deadliest stretch of road in France for cars. All sorts of construction work and truck restrictions have been recently introduced. Actually, it doesn’t sound like much fun on a bike!!!

moo

by Willj on Jun 29, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow...

I didn’t know or remember but Thierry Claveyrolat was involved in a car crash on Côte de Laffrey in 1999 and a boy and his dad were seriously injured… That is why he committed suicide shortly after :(

I’ve been trying to find a profile for it but all I can find:
http://www.memoire-du-cyclisme.net/eta_tdf/cote_de_laffrey.php
looks nothing like the numbers given by the Tour with 9% grade…

Any idea?

by FrenchKheldar on Jun 29, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here is the climb

http://beta.mapmyride.com/route/detail/19112452/

I extracted the raw elevation and it gives this:
0 298.7
500 332.8 6.82%
1000 384.6 10.36%
1500 434.5 9.97%
2000 465.1 6.12%
2500 512.5 9.48%
3000 563.9 10.28%
3500 628.1 12.84%
4000 676.1 9.60%
4500 722.3 9.24%
5000 773.5 10.24%
5500 832.6 11.81%
6000 879.9 9.48%
6500 905.0 5.01%

Here is the Excel file in case somebody feels like doing a nice graphic. The one from climbbybike is clearly wrong…
https://www.dropbox.com/s/sgl5dl9svln8bds/CoteDeLaffrey.xls

by FrenchKheldar on Jun 29, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thx for that

Yes there seem to be at least 2 ways up

moo

by Willj on Jun 30, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

Salite.ch only has the climb from Séchilienne, a little further up the valley of the Romanche. The Tour 2010 climbs to Laffrey from Vizille. The two roads join just before the village so they are completely different climbs. This is the best I could do in OpenOffice, with percentages for every 500 m:


Link to the image: http://i48.tinypic.com/2j0gswj.jpg

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by tedvdw on Jun 30, 2010 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks Ted !

This looks like a beautifully painful climb :)

by FrenchKheldar on Jun 30, 2010 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

How many of the 25 have you climbed?

Me, just Colombiere, and without clips. The next day I did Tignes which is the same length and a bit lower average gradient. Colombiere was easier for me because the first half of is not too taxing. The steep part of Tignes was frontloaded; I was roadkill.

Wonder if some pros are better with the hard part frontloaded, others with the hard part backloaded?

by Mr 60 Percent on Jun 29, 2010 5:01 PM EDT reply actions  

remember last year

they did Colombiere “the hard way” via the nasty Col de Romme. I have learned that the first half of Colombière (to Reposoir) is in fact only the first 40% ;)

I think I’ve done 14.

moo

by Willj on Jun 29, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

14! I bow down before you.

I rode Colombiere at the 2007 Tour, the same way it goes up this year…reached the top about four hours before Gerdemann. There’s so much visual stimulus on race day that sometimes you forget for a moment how steep it is.

by Mr 60 Percent on Jun 29, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow

How ripe was Didi that day?

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by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 29, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

diable rouge!

reminds me of Scifo and those guys

I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it

by plinytheelder on Jun 29, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ax-3-Domaines

also known as Ax-Bonascre, looks quite nasty for a mountain top finish with almost 3 km of 10+%. Not overly long, though.

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by tedvdw on Jun 29, 2010 5:24 PM EDT reply actions  

A Schleck agrees with you
Want a prediction? How about this… the top three from the Tourmalet won’t change all the way to Paris.

CN

by Hons on Jun 29, 2010 5:45 PM EDT reply actions  

I bow dow before anyone who has done these climbs

As I plow up my surrey hills (very slowly) I always wonder who the hell could even think about doing another 1000 vertical meters of this…

damn jealous though

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by addict on Jun 30, 2010 3:06 AM EDT reply actions  

fantastic will, thanks!

I think i’d agree with your gut instinct that the east side of tourmalet would be harder due to those 6-7 straight kms of +9% – personally speaking, stuff like that makes it really hard.

Since i’ve done none of these climbs i plugged la bonette (south side) into your formula for a comparison. Didn’t get real precise with the numbers and maybe i made some errors, but la bonette kicks ass – 181, topping everyone. I used 1700 m denivelé and 26 km distance (starting at st etienne de tinée).

Actually i think the tourmalet and ventoux would be more difficult for me due to long portions of higher grades, but …

by the way, i’m thinking of riding from Nice to just north of Dijon by way of the alps – i’ll be bugging you for advice soon …

by yeehoo on Jun 30, 2010 3:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Bonette

would get a bonus for its super high altitude 2802 metres – and 1700 denivelé is a lot of uphill. And I do think it makes some difference 7% at that height feels steeper.

But I hear you (Ventoux definitely feels a lot harder than Tourmalet for me)

Sure, feel free to drop me a line. I know a couple of very nice routes from Beaune to Dijon (either via Burgundy canal, or through the posh Burgundy vineyards. My wife have done both as a weekend loop a couple of times.

moo

by Willj on Jun 30, 2010 3:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

bonette got 18 points on the altitude bonus – tourmalet would get only 11.

Yeah i’ve ridden around in burgundy some too – lovely. My unmarried “wife” grew up in Gevrey-Chambertin and spends a good bit of time every summer vacation a little ways north of dijon – not at all touristy but very nice. There are even some nice climbs around there – but mostly just lovely lovely countryside and fantastic little roads. It’s where i fell in love with cycling. I’d appreciate getting the routes you rode. But mostly i’m sure i’ll have some questions about les alpes.

by yeehoo on Jun 30, 2010 4:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Will is too Canadian to promote his own blog

So allow me… Check out Cycling Challenge, the online repository of Will’s European climbing adventures. Click on the Maps link, and when you realize that all those little icons on the map are climbs he has personally ridden, right after you pick up your jaw up off the floor, you will begin to feel a deep admiration for the man followed by profound jealousy.

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by Jimbo... on Jun 30, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think seeing Will in all those alpine shots wearing his Podium Cafe kit is the best reason to buy one.

    I want to be like Will. ;-)

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by flying dog on Jun 30, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Will is our most popular member

In related news, everyone wants to kill him.

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by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 30, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Never!

    Killing is so over rated.

Bicycling is the nearest approximation I know to the flight of birds. Louis J. Helle, Jr.

by flying dog on Jun 30, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

no, i know his website

and hate him like everyone else. Crazy fantastic photos.

by yeehoo on Jun 30, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yowsers

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by Albertina on Jun 30, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

http://www.climbbybike.com/profile/Monte-Zoncolan-Ovaro_profile.jpg

Using 10,200 meters for the distance of the climb, and assuming no altitude effects…not sure if the latter is a safe assumption but the 199.8 number is still a conservative guess because the altitude factor can only add to the total.

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by dees ees en drama on Jun 30, 2010 11:24 AM EDT reply actions  

If you go to the climbs section

of climbbybike you can search “all” and order by “difficulty”. There are some crazy things out there.

Probably the hardest “famous” climb in France that I can think of would be Galibier IF you include Telegraph. it would be a totally different shape (35 kms; +2200 metres) but have a similar score to Zoncolan.

moo

by Willj on Jun 30, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

The climb home from my job to my apartment is 234,6 according to my calculations

(although I did multiply the final number from the formula by my bodyweight)

by Jens on Jun 30, 2010 12:13 PM EDT reply actions  

hehe

At least you get home fast!!

moo

by Willj on Jun 30, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

The conversation I had with my wife

when I asked her if I could go to Flanders for three weeks was a 204.5.

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by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 30, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Geology-related semi-thread-jack

So… yesterday I got on a press gaggle and Levi and Christian VDV both said that the Pyrenees are harder than the Alps, to the racing set, because they’re steeper. Can anyone explain in geologic terms what differentiates the climbs in the Pyrenees from those in the Alps? Older = more eroded = shorter but steeper?

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by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 30, 2010 2:05 PM EDT reply actions  

I think it would have more to do with the roads and human influence.

Much more traffic between Italy/France/Switzerland than between Spain and France. Also, it’s relatively easier to bypass the Pyrénées (either through San Sebastian or Barcelona) than to do so for the Alps, if you want to go from Milano to Lyon… Thus larger, more gentle roads in the Alps for the big passes, smaller and steeper roads for the Pyrénées.

Just my 2 cents…

by FrenchKheldar on Jun 30, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree with them

sort of:

There are loads of steep climbs in the French Alps ….. just most of them aren’t on the Route des Grandes Alpes or just get ignored by the Tour because they aren’t famous or near a town willing to pay.

But name your top Pyrenées climbs and tell me they are harder than Galibier, both sides Madeleine, Joux Plane, La Plagne, etc. Look at the Queen climb in Tour de l’Ain every year Col du Grand Colombier (not Col de la Colombière), it’s harder than all these climbs — but in the middle of no-where so never in the Tour.

I don’t buy the argument …. except to say that most of the famous (always in the Tour) Alps climbs are a little less steep than Plateau de Beille, Hautacam, Tourmalet. But for every steep Pyrénées climb I can easily provide you with several Alps climbs with similar or tougher profiles.

I do think the Dolomites and parts of the Italian Alps are much steeper.

moo

by Willj on Jun 30, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

ps - when you come over to dinner, before eating

the climb behind my house has the middle 4 kms at +12.5% average and it’s a long way from Foix

moo

by Willj on Jun 30, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wish the Giro would invade France for a year

and do all these climbs cause you know they would. Damn shame the Tour is too stubborn to try some of them out.

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by Phil H. on Jun 30, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just to give a fun but relevant example:

Next to Chambery is Mont du Chat. 167 on the above difficulty scale. So harder than anything in 2010 Tour. The 11 middle kilometres average 10% (some 11%). Perfectly surfaced road.

And fun history. It’s only Tour appearance Poulidor dropped Merckx there (only to be caught on the descent).

But year after year it gets ignored so we can see Morzine and Le Grand Bornand shell out cash for the nearby stages.

moo

by Willj on Jun 30, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder

how much money they would lose from going towards some more isolate locations and how much they may gain because of higher viewership. You’d think more epic battles and brutal mountain stages=more excitement from the fans. No one watching at home cares which ski station they are finishing at.

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by Phil H. on Jun 30, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep,

although people do care which climb (at least a little).

Ask the average semi-cycling-fan in the USA and they would likely say that Alpe d’Huez is the hardest climb in the world let alone France. It’s a pretty good climb with great Marketing. The Dauphiné definitely upped fan interest by adding it this year.

Tourmalet has been in the Tour ?? over 70 times I think. It’s a fantastic climb ….. but still. ANd people are VERY excited to see the Tourmalet stages. Me too, but still.

Col de l’Iseran for example is much higher and way more fun but no history and thus almost never appears. And honestly, people would be less interested in it, I think. (sadly)

moo

by Willj on Jun 30, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I should restate

some climbs have become legends and will attract fans and viewers. But others like Avoriaz not so much and I don’t think people really care about the ski station there.

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by Phil H. on Jun 30, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, agreed, I knew what you meant

Avoriaz is of course Morzine money (linked resorts)

moo

by Willj on Jun 30, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Btw

I remembered when I thought the Alpe was the toughest climb in the world, I watched my first Giro the next year and scratched that theory right away.

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by Phil H. on Jun 30, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you

I guess I was just answering Chris in the context of the Tour climbs. It’s telling that the Tour has been much more innovative with the Pyrénées than with the Alps with climbs like Beille, Bonascre, Pailhères, Balès… Not so many “new” climbs in the Alps for the exact reasons you gave: money and a need to go back to the famous climbs even though their toughness does not always match the history. As you said, location is also a problem and with a reluctance of going 200+km in the Alps and staying there only 3 days, it limits the amount of climbs you can take on and the extent of the area you’re exploring. As your map on your website shows, the Tour could spend a week in the Alps every year and find a variety of stages (when is the last time we went through Villard-de-Lans?). Not so much in the Pyrénées which is much less intricate mountain range… And I think for the riders the smaller roads of the Pyrénées add to the perceived difficulty as it means less sheltering from teammates, more danger on the downhill, etc…

by FrenchKheldar on Jun 30, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

villard-de-lans, 2004, stage 15

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by umwolverine on Jun 30, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

give you three guess who won that stage

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by umwolverine on Jun 30, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

why, i do believe he is

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by umwolverine on Jun 30, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was the day Lance outsprinted Basso for the win

and rode into the yellow jersey. And the next day was that Alpe d’Huez ITT. What an excellent couple of days of racing for us ghey postal fan boys… Details here

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by Jimbo... on Jun 30, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

J.R. Ewing?

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by tenchu on Jun 30, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, well said

Villard-de-Lans! The Vercors is just about the best place for Gorgeous gorges and cliff climbs.

moo

by Willj on Jun 30, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

to be fair

they have put “some” interesting new (or rare) alps stuff in recent years.

- Col de la Lombarde
- Col Agnes
- Col de romme
- Grand St Bernard

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by Willj on Jun 30, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why do I think we all believe Will more than the pros?

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by addict on Jun 30, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

aren't the pyrenees also at a higher altitude? for some reason an oln expanded clip is popping in my head regarding that

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by umwolverine on Jun 30, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

no, not at all. in fact it's tough to find

a Pyrennées climb above 2000 metres (Tourmalet is 2115), whereas Galibier is 2645, Iseran 2770, Bonette 2802, Stelvio 2760, etc. In other words all about 2000 feet higher than Tourmalet.

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by Willj on Jun 30, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah. tnx. maybe i have the two ranges confused.

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by umwolverine on Jun 30, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alps is much bigger

but Pyrénées generally more remote and sparsely populated

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by Willj on Jun 30, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

give me the dolomites any day

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by umwolverine on Jun 30, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

But in Italy

meaning they are doped and more buff.

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by Phil H. on Jun 30, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, yes, i know that

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by umwolverine on Jul 1, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

So are the Pyrenees

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by tedvdw on Jul 1, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not the geology

It’s the humidity. They Pyrenees are right by the ocean, that’s where the fog comes from. Stickier air there than the alps.

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by nrs5000 on Jun 30, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

aha

That may well be it.

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by civetta on Jun 30, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

ick. humidity.

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by umwolverine on Jul 1, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

FYI

I have added profiles for all the top 10 climbs

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by Willj on Jun 30, 2010 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Porte de Pailhieres

Nasty climb done it the opposite way to the tour with panniers and found it tough. Descending the way they’ll be going up there are some nasty, steep exposed switchbacks at the top which will be hellish if it’s a hot day. The descent will be fast and not to technical though there’s minimal flat between the bottom and the climb to Ax 3 Domaines

by thebongolian on Jun 30, 2010 7:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Now we're in the everything-area of climbs

What happened to Finestre? I have these long-gone memories from 2005 and I’ve been longing for it ever since. Some talk that it would be in the 2006-Tour but never heard of it since.

by Forstoppelse on Jun 30, 2010 8:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice post. Thanks.

Really like the formula. At least I could compare some Chilean climbs I ride here with what we will have in the Tour to truly understand what the pros are going through.

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by perezbike on Jul 2, 2010 12:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Port de Bales

For me the Port de Bales is the hardest climb and descent in the Pyrenees…or at least as difficult as the Tourmalet. The roads are extremely narrow after 7 or so K and is sometimes littered with rocks. The small roads make it impossible to see what’s coming and makes a 6 percent grade appear to be at least 8 percent. The descent is treacherous and requires excellent bike handling skills. The only saving grace is there is a far amount of shade on a hot day.

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by bradBordeaux on Jul 2, 2010 6:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Some numbers

Total difficulty of this year’s Tour (HC,1,2 cat): 2509

Difficulty climbed so far: 393 or 15% of the Tour big mountains

Difficulty for stage 9: 423 or 17% of the Tour big mountains

Toughest stage: stage 16 with 452 or 18% of the Tour big mountains

So 2/3 of the mountains will remain after today’s stage, but still this will be a big test as it contains more mountains than the 2 previous stages combined.

by FrenchKheldar on Jul 13, 2010 2:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Bloody hell, all stages all the way, in three weeks?

Congrats on finishing. What kind of organisation was it?

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by tedvdw on Jul 14, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

wow

sounds like a blast. i’d love to do that someday

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by ant1 on Jul 14, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Chapeau! Sounds amazing! And how dare you tempt and tease us

with such a “short” post? :-) You must do a fanshot, detailing your adventures!

by Ruthann on Jul 14, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

My record of stage 16, just for Ruthann

…is at

Other blog posts were written by other riders, some of whom were riding the lot like me, some riding just one stage…

by RickGr on Jul 14, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was set up by a small UK charity called the William Wates Memorial Trust, with logistics run by Classic Tours. Tough 3 weeks, mentally as well as physically, but sensational – especially reaching the top of Tourmalet for the second time…

by RickGr on Jul 14, 2010 10:56 AM EDT reply actions  

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