Cavendish Confirms In Stage 11; Petacchi into Green
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 15, 2010 11:44 AM EDT
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Another long, hot day on the roads of France ended in familiar fashion, with Mark Cavendish blasting the field in a sprint, notching his third victory of the Tour de France. Alessandro Petacchi snuck past Thor Hushovd into the Green Jersey with his second place, while Tyler Farrar got a bit stuck in traffic before finishing third. There was a wee bit of controversy in the sprint, where Cav's leadout Mark Renshaw 
head-nudged Julian Dean in the run-in, and then moved off his line to close the door on Tyler Farrar after launching Cav to victory. However, there was no doubt that Cavendish had the stage in the bag, so whatever went on isn't too important.
There was some action in the last 20km when the prospect of crosswinds caused Saxo Bank to get on the front and drill it in impressive fashion. All the big names showed their attentiveness and no great damage was done, unlike last year when Alberto Contador and others fell asleep and lost just under a minute on a similar stage.
Results, below the fold.
Results:
- Mark Cavendish, HTC-Columbia
- Alessandro Petacchi, Lampre, s.t.
- Tyler Farrar, Garmin-Transitions, s.t.
- JJ Rojas Gil, Caisse d'Epargne, s.t.
- Robbie McEwen, Katusha, s.t.
- Yukia Arashiro, Bbox, s.t.
- Thur Hushovd, Cervelo Test Team, s.t.
And the green jersey standings now:
- Petacchi, 161 points
- Hushovd, 157
- McEwen, 138
- Cavendish, 132
Photos: Getty
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"After the race, they scanned my bike, and I said to them, ‘You better scan me, because I am the motor,' " - prologue winner Fabian Cancellara.
cool, a first for me!
"After the race, they scanned my bike, and I said to them, ‘You better scan me, because I am the motor,' " - prologue winner Fabian Cancellara.
2nd - refresh the page
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news
by ZoeRochelle on Jul 15, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
is that all?
Barely worth the post race wingeing
Warning... not everything I say should be taken entirely seriously
didn't see what others posted on the last thread...
was that renshaw move at the end kinda shitty, or what?
now sock-less and carefree.
tyler looks so mad he's shaking in post race interview
now sock-less and carefree.
by JustJoshinYa on Jul 15, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
It looks like Renshaw swerved and blocked Farrar
bullshit
"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"
Yep, when the actual sprint kicked in
He blocked my boy in the process too, HMPH
Venga Caisse d'Epargne!
That really does solve everything
"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"
Fantastic idea.
All sprint disputes should be settled by front wheel, not the race jury.
"Woof, woof, woof! That's my other dog imitation."
just barely
but i dont think hismove was as blatant as even the headbutt, let alone Renshaws unintentional lateral movement after easing up.
"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"
Yeah. I honestly don't know
whether “blatancy” is the thing we want to punish. Dean made a more subtle, but illegal yet effective move.
Didnt look illegal to me
its about safety, what he did was not dangerous.
"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"
nice assortment of country flags on the stage top 10.
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
neither dean or renshaw is blameless
renshaw almost forced farrar into the barriers though, not cool.
"I was watching the Tour de France in 2005, just being a fan again. I thought, ‘you're a fucking idiot. You're a bike fan who gets to ride the Tour de France.'"
- david millar
except Renshaw wasn't next to the barrier.
by ZoeRochelle on Jul 15, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
ouch! ouch! ouch!
by the way…I meant to tell you that I am soooo proud of N…calingl the wallet owner. She is a fab young woman!!
he gave her a $50. reward
and she is bouncing back quick from the breakup. She went and bought “adult” pants yesterday. She said she wants to leave high school behind now. He was her HS boyfriend.
by ZoeRochelle on Jul 15, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
So glad to hear that she is doing great!!
You guys definitely will have to go to next year’s HTC presser with me (grin)
+1
the headbutt doesn’t matter that much, it’s the swerving. but both renshaw & dean were guilty of it
"I was watching the Tour de France in 2005, just being a fan again. I thought, ‘you're a fucking idiot. You're a bike fan who gets to ride the Tour de France.'"
- david millar
not swerving
gliding in to squeeze in front of Cav (fairly gently) , the same kind of move Renshaw called "that’s racing " the other day when he did it.
Exciting finish anyway...
good night everybody – off to bed for me – have to work tomorrow.
"After the race, they scanned my bike, and I said to them, ‘You better scan me, because I am the motor,' " - prologue winner Fabian Cancellara.
good night
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
Dean riled up Renshaw who took it out on Tyler. Shame for Tyler...
…but an excellent sprint out of the box from Cavendish.
This sprint nastiness needs to be sorted out before we get an accident with
a really serious outcome.
Point of order
The really serious outcome came in Suisse where Cav’s shenanigans took Boonen and Haussler out of the tour and possibly the season.
(bah.)
Vlaanderens Mooiste
I have a hard time forgiving that really.
I’m apoplectic on behalf of Boonen particularly (favouritism I know), but Haussler too. It really really sucks for them.
Nice marmotte
Peta in green
letour.fr confirms
"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 15, 2010 11:50 AM EDT reply actions
good
he’s been sprinting well, Thor needs to step up his game if he wants green
"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"
I don't think he's in good enough shape
This year’s injuries may be taking their toll. Still a strong rider as seen in Stage 3. But he just doesn’t have the snap in the legs this month to make it through the bunch spritns
off to lunch
just wait to see what I do if anyone tries to jump the queue ahead of me! :-)
see you all tomorrow!
in green yes
"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 15, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
not sure about KOM
"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 15, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
The Thor debate...
While I know that the Green is for the most consistent rider, it is also highly associated with the sprinters world to give them a Yellow Jersey equivalent. Thor is pretty close to being consistently the last of the sprinters who is actually trying each time we come to a bunch gallop.
So:
-Thor is a wily old veteran doing a wonderful job to get what he can get
- Green is turning into Polkadot in terms of relevance to pure ability
Discuss
Warning... not everything I say should be taken entirely seriously
yes
and no.
Thor’s problem is that he’s sprinting very well but there’s tremendous competition in the bunch. So there are big point differences decided by fractions of a second.
"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 15, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I just don't buy
the KOM devaluation. I think 15 teams would love to have that jersey. It’s not easy to earn (and is confusing, as it has little to do with best climber). More like best attacker on hilly days.
moo
Not sure I agree, Will
There are plenty of teams with riders with the ability to win the KOM, but which prefer riding to get places 10-20 in the overall. Seriously, can you remember who came 11th (or even 7th) last year?
Guys who should go after the KOM if it was a serious prize:
*Carlos
*Gesink
*BCS (Lotto)
*ANOther Leaky
*Rogers (I know he is TTer who can climb, but he is strong enough to hang with a break and grab the points)
*Any of the Shacks
And I am not sure I have covered even half
Warning... not everything I say should be taken entirely seriously
yeah fair enough
but those guys all started with GC ambitions, yes?
A little harder to shift strategies?
Maybe it’s just that my dream would be Polka Dots ……. ;)
moo
part of the discussion
is what happens when Gesink, Sastre or someone like that tries an early break away in a mountain stage in first half of Tour? They get tracked down by Peloton probably.
moo
Any and all of them could have a long go from the third mountain stage onwards
None of them will (addict bravely predicts)
Warning... not everything I say should be taken entirely seriously
I'd be interested
in comments from DS’s and racers on the subject. No doubt the fans love the KOM.
moo
Maybe if ASO increased the cash prize for the KOM?
They’d get more competition? At present, isn’t it more lucrative to be 12th in GC than KOM champ?
It's a moo point, you know, a cow's opinion.
If Thor sprinted better, he’s still be wearing green.
Ergo, the competition is functioning as intended. Petacchi is the points leader, even though Cav has more wins. Cav is pretty hopeless about remaining consistent, but when he’s on, he’s brilliant.
Vlaanderens Mooiste
Nah - Cav is completely consistent
9 times out of 10 (or 4 out of 5 at least), if it is a bunch sprint and his is there, he wins.
Warning... not everything I say should be taken entirely seriously
Yep Dean was the aggressor.Renshaw on defense
in the first move.
And Renshaw pulled a classic lead-out “shut-the-door” move.
The all-time master was Giovanni Lombardi, who regularly took McEwen into another postal zone in the Giro were Cipo won so many sprint stages (02 was it?)
So . . . not totally sporting, but not quite into evil-cricket territory yet either.
is she?
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
One of the podium girls is Gert Steegmans' girlfriend
(I think one of the yellow jersey girls, even)
Ceci n'est pas une signature.
EuroHoody
Tweets: Holy head-butt of a sprint! Renshaw relegated but Cav nails it for 2010 TdF hat-trick – Hush loses green to Peta
like it makes a difference
he’s got 2 strikes, if he makes one more knucklehead move, I say he oughta be DQ-d. I’ll give him a pass today, but i doubt his intentions and the intentions of HTC in general
"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"
what's to doubt about HTC's intentions?
They’re trying to win.
If that means shutting the door on a competitor, it’s going to happen.
A slightly more aggressive Farrar would have elbowed past Renshaw instead of patting his butt. But you can excuse Farrar for not doing that because he’s already hurt.
It’s dirty deeds up there folks.
+1 I think
If Dean’s actions mean it was anything goes for Tyler then Cav’s win carries the burden of Renshaw’s actions.
I know that. I didn't say anything about HTC's intentions.
And I didn’t actually see the finish so I’m only going on what other people are saying, and the majority of people are saying he was in the wrong. I will reserve judging myself until I’ve seen it, but if it was as bad as most people are saying, then I think it’s a good message to send. Sprinting is dangerous and I have no desire to see any more people hurt than already get hurt….that’s not very eloquent I know but I can’t be bothered to think of a better way to say it.
Nice marmotte
Exactly
And I think they have been trying harder to rattle Cav/Coloumbia knowing that his confidence may be down and he may be a little gun shy with the recent crashes.
"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton
That was me saying that about the intentions
and thats not based on anything other than my distaste for what i perceive as bullying by their team in the sprint right there. I cant substantiate this, but I feel like there is such a sense of entitlement from their leadout, and especially cav, i personally cannot stand it. Im fuming.
"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"
I found HTCs dominance last year mind-numbing
Doubly so Cavendish, who is a lot more fast than he is compelling. But even as a Tyler fan surprised to see the upswell of HTC hate.
repost from the other thread (i don't know where i'm posting)
it could be argued that renshaw was trying to get on cav’s wheel to protect it. farrar tried to get onto it, but renshaw got there first.
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
Mighty close to the finish though. From what time is one supposed to sprint in a straight line?
Obviously, straight line sprinting is not a forté of Team HTC. To me it looked like he deliberately blocked Tyler. In a dangerous way. My guess is that Tyler sees it the same way.
i'm sure tyler sees it that way
i’m just trying to bring other possibilities into the discussion.
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
I have no problem with your initial statement. It could be argued the way you say.
I see it differently though. I think bunch sprinting needs a little bit of a clean-up.
I think if the powers at be recognize the inherent dangers of what we saw today, they will do something to make the rules clearer and enforce the rules in a more rigorous fashion. Relegating Renshaw achieves nothing. Relegating his Manxian sprinter would make the lead out riders think twice about making hazardous moves like we saw today. Just saying.
Dean and Renshaw should both be punished with 100km of pace setting tomorrow.
They can think about their transgressions.
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like
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Vlaanderens Mooiste
thats cute...
"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"
looks like Jan's being lazy and letting Erik do all the work...
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by JustJoshinYa on Jul 15, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Yaa! This is perfect punishement for them!
Life is not fair! Need proof? Did you see any Vacansoleil Jersey in this year’s TDF?
.
Hushovd dissappointed. Said he acted like a coward/pussy before the sprint
not fighting for Petacchi’s wheel. Commented (when asked) that there was a lot of pushing and shoving but would not point the finger at anyone in particular. Most of all he seemed dissapointed in himself. Would not blame the team, but also said “it would be nice to have someone up there”.
Doesn't help with Boonen, or Txurru
But let’s be happy about Samu.
by Forstoppelse on Jul 15, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
No, the majority of my favourites are falling like ninepins, and my least favourite is winning. I'm in a huff, so there :P
Nice marmotte
But I just found out that Iban Mayo Blog is back and running
- and has been for some time. Makes me happy.
by Forstoppelse on Jul 15, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd suggest:
Pass me the Mayonnaise
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by JustJoshinYa on Jul 15, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Yellow cardet, maybe?
Life is not fair! Need proof? Did you see any Vacansoleil Jersey in this year’s TDF?
.
Right. So you get a couple of hundred Swiss francs for attacking someone with a wheel post stage
& expelled for that?
Hmmm.
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
yeah
but you can’t punish someone cumulatively for everyone else’s transgressions too. Or you ought not to.
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
Nobody can get hurt in a stand up fight between cyclists
Shenanigans on a sprint stage can take out the entire field. Let the punishment match the risky behavior.
Vlaanderens Mooiste
Fine, but get consistent about it...
Obviously didn’t go to bed, too much interesting stuff happening. They’re going to have a riot on their hands shortly if they don’t get consistent about it. Cav caused a crash at Tour de Suisse and got relegated for the stage, but Renshaw head butts somebody and gets thrown out? Very inconsistent…
"After the race, they scanned my bike, and I said to them, ‘You better scan me, because I am the motor,' " - prologue winner Fabian Cancellara.
I'm totally pulling this out of my elbow
but relegating Renshaw could be seen as punishing Cav. As team captain and as the one who reaped the benefit of Renshaw’s shenanigans (I <3 this word, apparently) he is the one who will suffer by Renshaw’s relegation.
Vlaanderens Mooiste
but they shouldn't be punishing Cav for Suisse
at the Tour… I guess each organization can do what they like in the context of their race?
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
how is relegating renshaw punishing cav?
Cav still gets the win – renshaw is last – who cares.
Tossing Renshaw – yeah, that’s a bit extreme and a Cav punishment…
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by JustJoshinYa on Jul 15, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
well obviously
I meant to type ejecting, rather than relegating. Couldn’t you tell? ;-)
</dumbass>
Vlaanderens Mooiste
sorry dude.
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by JustJoshinYa on Jul 15, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
we know:)
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
yeah, I know...but honestly, it applies to me so often I think of it as a nickname.
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by JustJoshinYa on Jul 15, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah they should
le tthis be a standard of how not to act in the leadout. The leadout man is dangerous, the way he organizes a sprint and turns off. he can act as a dangerous block, and its a god thing these cyclists are skilled enough in the art of sprint to avoid these guys when they kick, but the leadout guys hold a responsibility to not interfere with riders, because once their sprinters jump, they have no business affecting the result. the danger factor needs to be looked at, and this is the best way to enforce the leadout guys to act responsibly.
"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"
i completely agree with that
unfortunately, i think renshaw is such a bad ass that after dropping off cav at 200m, he can still kick everyone’s ass and take second (see the champs last year). but still, if his job is leadout, he shouldn’t be going for second place.
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
Why not?
If he’s still got something in the tank, go for it.
"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton
just because it can create problems
i see it more as an agreement between the teams, you lead out, and then you get out of the way and let the sprinters do their thing. just like we all want the gc guys to stay out of the way.
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
but it's always been part of the lead-out guy's job
to impede the progress of other sprinters.
There’s an art to staying within the rules about it.
and he crossed a line
twice, im not saying he absolutely should get kicked out right there, but i dont disagree with the decision either.
"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"
In the Barredo incident
I think it was quite fortunate that no one did get properly hurt ,actually. I also have some sympathy with Barredo because he was really upset about what he had done & apologized.
But I think Gavia may be right that’s it’s a cumulative thing & I’m not sure that’s altogether fair.
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
That would be stupid.
The headbutt was nothing he was riding straight and protecting his line. The blocking is where the problem was, and that deserves anothing more than a relegation.
Punishing Renshaw for Renshaw's actions achieves nothing.
Cycling is a team sport. I say (change the rules/precedent/whatever) so one can punish the beneficiary of dangerous blocking tactis. That is, in my opinion, the best way to change the nastiness we see all to much of these days (I know full well that it is not a brand new phenomena.)
yep.
Relegating Renshaw achieves nothing.
DQing him sends a message and makes life difficult for Cavendish going forward.
You just wait . . . he won’t be able to set up his lead-out tomorrow.
(oh . . . he won’t be setting up a lead-out train tomorrow? nvm)
That is true. Relegating Renshaw achieves nothing
while expelling him from the race seems excessive. Relegating Cav and Renshaw on this stage achieves a lot, but does not seem excessive. Cav did nothing wrong, I don’t even think he benefitted today, but cycling is a team sport. The only way to stop this dangerous behaviour is to hit them were it hurts.
Not really
Farrar wasn’t going to catch him, could have helped Cav in the green jersey if he’d come ahead of Petacchi
Can't ever know for sure
Farrar had the hole-shot and a clean path in the slip-stream.
Look at how much ground he made up when he re-started his sprint, and remember that Cavendish isn’t as fast this year as he was last year (and he doesn’t have the last 50 meters closing speed especially).
Didnt see originally
but 3 headbutts? is that necessary, one is okay, a get out of my way gesture, but the next 2, over the top aggression.
"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"
I just don't know about Petacchi's attempt there.
I think he moved too far right, probably slowed him down too much, and his leadout guy should’ve tried to get closer to farrar
"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"
all over twitter that renshaw is out
"I was watching the Tour de France in 2005, just being a fan again. I thought, ‘you're a fucking idiot. You're a bike fan who gets to ride the Tour de France.'"
- david millar
Seriously?
Barredo and Costa must be whistling quietly to themselves if true
Venga Caisse d'Epargne!
yeah
richard moore, robbie hunter have both said it
"I was watching the Tour de France in 2005, just being a fan again. I thought, ‘you're a fucking idiot. You're a bike fan who gets to ride the Tour de France.'"
- david millar
Oh. A little bit OTT isn't it.
Relegation, a fine and a stern talking to (perhaps with Barredo menacing him with a wheel) would have been sufficient
Venga Caisse d'Epargne!
barredo yes
but i don’t see why costa should be thrown into the mix with equal weight… he did not attack another rider with a metal wheel to his head…
Tweeted from Robbie 'World's Angriest Man' Hunter
‘Good to see the coms booted his arse out the race’
Hunter's never off the fucking thing!
I reckon no-one talks to him so he amuses himself twittering away in a corner.
hey, he has pent up anger clearly
no better way to release it then twitter. better that than the Barredo method
"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"
Confirm here
Renshaw listed on the official site as withdrawn.
http://www.letour.fr/2010/TDF/LIVE/us/abandons.html
good
"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"
He is the beneficiary and the only one who matters. Cycling is a team sport.
That being said I think this punishment is a bit excessive. In my perfect world Renshaw and Cav would be relegated on this stage, and would have another go at sprinting fairly tomorrow.
And Cav deserves punishment why?
Because he wins a lot?
by kcbottom9th on Jul 15, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
because he received a competitive advantage
from his teammate’s illegal and dangerous action.
Vlaanderens Mooiste
he was already on the podium kissing girls when the events took place...
ok, not quite that fast, but he was going, going, gone
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by JustJoshinYa on Jul 15, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
punishment v. penalty, perhaps?
Punishment implies guilt, whereas penalty doesn’t really carry that weight. Cav certainly didn’t control Renshaw’s actions, but he did benefit. So I’ve no problem with penalizing.
I'm very dumb
Does that mean you vote relegate?
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by JustJoshinYa on Jul 15, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I don’t have a theoretical problem with relegating Cav. I do think tossing Renshaw was excessive.
But mostly, it means I vote you off the island.
this island sucks anyway.
we ran out of margarita mix two weeks ago…
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by JustJoshinYa on Jul 15, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
And by that argument, if a GC guy has a doper busted on his team, the GC guy should be thrown out
Warning... not everything I say should be taken entirely seriously
In my imagination
they were given an offer they couldn’t refuse.
But I remember that Cofidis did withdraw, I’m less certain about ’Stana.
Vlaanderens Mooiste
no I can't remember about Astana, either
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
I think they withdrew themselves...
I remember Kloden being absolutely shattered in the team car being driven to the airport..
"After the race, they scanned my bike, and I said to them, ‘You better scan me, because I am the motor,' " - prologue winner Fabian Cancellara.
that Tour was so grim
I’ve kind of obliterated huge chunks of it from my memory
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
Both withdrew
But Astana were under massive pressure and most of Cofidis would have DNSed by being in a french police station at the time
Warning... not everything I say should be taken entirely seriously
I'd totally support that
Would create a real incentive for managers to keep their team clean.
but again, what has Cav done here that deserves punishment?
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
its not an intentional punishment of him
its all about Renshaw, which is why Cav keeps his win
"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"
When was the last time a rider was actually EXCLUDED for dangerous sprinting
They have massively overreacted here because they object to the Cav win
Warning... not everything I say should be taken entirely seriously
tin foil hat time ;-)
certainly some people would wish it so
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
they're just gonna DQ everyone
until lance is the only rider left.
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
That's why he wasn't
arrested at the border, as some predicted.
Truly a plot diabolique!
Vlaanderens Mooiste
personally, I agree with this being an over-reaction, but don't think it's related to Cav wins.
Cav’s a major player in the TDF – a marketing gem. Wouldn’t make sense for the brand to purposely hurt that image…
Over-reaction, yes (my opinion).
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by JustJoshinYa on Jul 15, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
thats my opinion too
leave cav out of this decision, this has nothing to do with his actions, he did nothing wrong, and saying that this is a smack at cavenish almost excuses Renshaws unruly behavior. i said before, if i was making a decision i would relegate him and warn him, i think 3 strikes and you’re out is fair and he used up 2 there. But i think they have the right to do this.
"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"
The incidents we usually see involve the sprinter not the leadout
Relegation is effective punishment for a sprinter but the leadout guy’s placing is not important. To deter leadout shenanigans (!) you need a real punishment that affects the team.
Cab keeps his win but has a handicap going forward. Seems mild yet effective
at deterring leadout guys from dangerous behavior. If you relegate the leadout guy well so what? They’ll keep doing it, just another sacrifice for the team. If you handicap the sprinter then the team has to think twice about leading out roughly.
so why not relegate Cav as beneficiary today, instead of expelling Renshaw?
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
or maybe the Lambulance?
"After the race, they scanned my bike, and I said to them, ‘You better scan me, because I am the motor,' " - prologue winner Fabian Cancellara.
Because that would imply
That Farrar had a chance. And nobody wants to stand there and say that with a straight face.
Joking of course. I think.
by kcbottom9th on Jul 15, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Farrar did have a chance
He shut down his sprint when Renshaw came over on him and still got into 3rd.
that would be over the top
Cav didn’t do anything wrong, Renshaw needs to be punished, too bad HTC gets dragged down, but thats the way it works
"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"
wtf
That is a ridiculous overreaction (not having watched the sprint) which seems entirely aimed at destabalising Cavendish
Could well get overturned tonight
Warning... not everything I say should be taken entirely seriously
don't think it will get overturned.
Renshaw did do wrong, but it is definitely an over reaction. It smacks of officials trying to regain some control, way after the horse has bolted…
"After the race, they scanned my bike, and I said to them, ‘You better scan me, because I am the motor,' " - prologue winner Fabian Cancellara.
yeah, i hate that
the trying to regain control. as a hockey player, there’s nothing more annoying than refs not calling anything until things get out of control, at which point they give out penalties for looking at an opponent the wrong way. as soon as they try to retake control, someone gets screwed in the short term. probably good long term, but i’d rather see the refs not losing control in the first place.
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
Exactly
Excellent analogy. There is nothing worse than make up calls.
Unless it’s multiple calls against the Canadiens for flopping around like Futbol players. Then it’s perfectly fine.
"Woof, woof, woof! That's my other dog imitation."
watch then...
I think it was pretty fair. they need to stop this. pretty dangerous.
"If I'd attacked one more time I'd have dropped myself." Schleck Jr
Really?
I figured more the race officials are tired of this sort of sprint and in their own OTT way just decided to make Renshaw the example? I don’t agree with it, but I don’t think it’s just to get at Cav. With our without Renshaw he’s still the fastest rider in this race…
Venga Caisse d'Epargne!
Given all that happens in sprints...
… the last two TdF DQs have both impacted Cav specifically. Looks to me like the organisers trying to level the playing field. I will laugh if he wins tomorrow – and wouldnt mind betting he is sufficiently pissed to do so
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yeah, I think it's the example-making aspect I object to really
I don’t think it’s to get at Cav. At least I hope it’s not.
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
Last year random relegation
This year binning renshaw
join the dots
Warning... not everything I say should be taken entirely seriously
If I could edit my post...
…I’d say HTC rather than Cav.
I don’t think it’s a personal thing, however, I do think this will make future sprints a little more competitive and TV friendly.
Which is what I think they are trying to achieve
the wrong way
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think that is over the top....
wtf
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by JustJoshinYa on Jul 15, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
relegation addresses that (and I am a Dean/Farrar fan, not a Cav/Renshaw fan).
just feel it’s a bit over the top to toss the guy…
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by JustJoshinYa on Jul 15, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
What a bullshit call.
"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton
Even though I think it was less problematic
I expect the expulsion is linked to the headbutt more than the swerve. As it was just so blatant, bizarre and not really wanted in the sport
moo
Fun! As always!
Folks, before you going to bed, or do some other important staff, like work, for example. Please check my post and help me with selection for our Seahorse.
Life is not fair! Need proof? Did you see any Vacansoleil Jersey in this year’s TDF?
.
for better or worse
the tdf has become such a show for equipment sponsors, rider contracts, and team-title sponsors that a) single-rider domination actually weakens the dollar-value of the sport, and b) protected or A-list riders seem to have more leverage over race officials. Basically, Garmin can credibly say that Renshaw cost them a chance for serious dough today in terms of benefits to suppliers, sponsors, etc. For better or worse.
My Mum just asked me why Barredo and Costa weren't thrown out if Renshaw was.
I would presume the argument is that their fight only involved each other and wasn’t endangering other riders or during the race whereas a clash going 70km per hour is more dangerous? Best answer i can give right now.
It’s just made breaking news on Sky Sports News as well. Hmm
Venga Caisse d'Epargne!
because fistfights on cycling cleats
are funny and charming, but mostly harmless?
Vlaanderens Mooiste
when he came running over brandishing that wheel it was charming all right
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
Charming... unbelievable comment.
"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton
But it's more in line with the rules to toss Barredo and Costa
"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton
so why not just fine Renshaw a real amount?
and not the piddling 400 Swiss francs that seems to be the norm?
"After the race, they scanned my bike, and I said to them, ‘You better scan me, because I am the motor,' " - prologue winner Fabian Cancellara.
i have an issue with treating barredo and costa equally
so what is one supposed to do again when someone attacks him with a wheel to the head?
I believe they were taking the original incident into account
Slugging someone while on the bike in the pack is MUCH more dangerous than slugging someone after the race.
Standing in cycling shoes w/ cleats and trying to hit someone is nearly impossible. (This is the source of the charming comment that caused offense.)
Costa was punished because he performed the most dangerous act of elbowing Barredo in the gut during the stage.
All crimes are not caught on camera.
Vlaanderens Mooiste
if thats the case then i agree
but then theres 100 other things going on on every stage that deserved attention… so how do you know about the elbowing incident? who saw/testified? the issue with not catching on camera is that its hard to prove… and if you dont have proof you cannot punish…
Agreed
I’m relying on Carlos’ account. He was apologetic but still furious with Costa. He recognized that the wheel incident was waaaay out of line, without excusing Costa for elbowing him in the gut.
It is all circumstantial, but I take the equal punishments as evidence that Barredo’s story checked out.
Vlaanderens Mooiste
i suspect there's a good chance your interpretation is correct
thats what i think happened too… having said that i still wonder if CdE chiefs decided to just leave it at that rather than an assumption of guilt… hard to believe one elbows someone in the gut without any motive… so who started… who do you believe…
"Standing in cycling shoes w/ cleats and trying to hit someone is nearly impossible."
that’s why i wear mtb shoes on the road.
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
wait for the police to get there?
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
like A attacks B with a knife
B wrestles it off his hand, then they roll on the ground and throw a few punches, then… they both get the same penalty… fair?
Good point, it wasn't fair
Barredo should have been the one punished and I think he should have been tossed.
"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton
we're all a little nuts around here.
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
Yeah, she's not bad...
She’s not a massive cycling fan but she’s picked up a lot from watching it with me and asking me things :-) She has a housewife soft spot for Tony Martin and Nicolas Roche
Venga Caisse d'Epargne!
I know!
They’re pretending they care more now with their own team. Of course, they don’t publicise day to day wins as much as they are this… I mean Cav made the breakin news by winning but I don’t think they had yesterday’s winner as breaking news…
Venga Caisse d'Epargne!
weirdly BBC News showed Paulinho a few times yesterday
slow sports news day, I guess. The golf’s started today, so normal service resumed.
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
not sure they mentioned him
just nothing else happening.
Wednesday won a couple of friendlies but… ;-)
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
everybody but really...
… which is great, even if they were only playing er, Hallam and er, Stockbridge. At the same time, mind.
Very mixed feelings about Morrison. He always scored against us, so he was one of those players we all loved to hate. Quote on signing “Hillsborough’s always been a lucky ground for me”. Yeah! Tell us about it!
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
To be fair - BBC news for many years have mentioned every single stage winner of the TdF
On both radio (even radio1!) and most TV bulletins. If at work and recording the cycling you have to mute the radio news from 4pm onwards or you found out the winner
Asked if there are any special diets among the nine riders he smiles: "Yes - nine. If they weren't special, they wouldn't be riding the Tour de France". Soren Kristensen, Chef, Team Sky
They're paying to have a 13km circuit of streets closed in my borough on Sunday...
…so’s people can cycle traffic free. The Sky-Ride (cheese-tastic). They are putting money into various aspects of cycling in Britain. S’All good.
Yep, I popped down to the one in Leicester
They are helping, yes, but SSN still largely doesn’t give a crap about cycling. It takes up their valuable (premiership) football and cricket talking time
Venga Caisse d'Epargne!
Whereas my nephew tells me about the cycling from what he hears on SSN
(the only “news” channel he watches). It may not be to cycling geek standard but it’s a lot better than it was.
And it’s not just Lance, Brad, Tour.
You don’t need a fancy dancy sky sports package to watch eurosport on sky. The cheapest package + £1 add on gets you the cycling = less than the cost of a daily newspaper.
I dont like RM any more than the next guy but the anti sky blah is too little, fifteen years too late. They don’t need the cycling rights, it’s already on their platform. Let them continue to plough money into a cycling team. 70 people with jobs say thanks.
Asked if there are any special diets among the nine riders he smiles: "Yes - nine. If they weren't special, they wouldn't be riding the Tour de France". Soren Kristensen, Chef, Team Sky
I'm actually a real fan of Sky for all this
I have no idea of the business case behind it though. Sky’s core market is not skinny (or even no so skinny) cyclists and it only has rights to the TdU.
But yay Sky
Anyone know the background? It’s not like Sky need to spread their brand
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I would imagine
that they’ll outbid Eurosport/ITV4 (obviously ITV4 most likely) for the next TdF they can, and if figures are good extend their coverage to other races.
they can't
Tour insists rights are free to air
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
Sure. But there's a European deal through the European Broadcasting Union
ASO sells the rights to EBU who sell them on, I think.
It’s a funny one because (in Britain, anyway) Eurosport is only technically free.
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
seriously? cause it's not free-to-air here in the states. nor in canada (when it's shown in canada. tho the french quebec channel might be).
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
no, only in Europe, as I said in reply to Sui
where the rights are sold through the EBU
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
And Sky's cycling ads are cobranded with ES - so some sort of under the radar thing going on
Warning... not everything I say should be taken entirely seriously
also, their incident wasn't during the actual race.
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
you could argue that made it worse
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
but they didn't endanger anyone
crashing in front of a field sprint could be catastrophic.
Insert Jaja pic from 1994.
Vlaanderens Mooiste
he was just interviewed on France 2
said he heard the rumor, but nothing official, and that the organizers need to look into everything, whatever that means.
by Bruce Suomi on Jul 15, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe Aldag ought to get ought of the press area
and talk to the organizers, maybe he could have helped prevent the decision.
"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"
He could tell them
“This is nicht tra la la”
Warning... not everything I say should be taken entirely seriously
then maybe the officials should have been making their point before today?
by telling the DS that any transgressions will be dealt with by expulsion? and then following up? Not by over reacting on one rider..for what I think is his first stuff up?
"After the race, they scanned my bike, and I said to them, ‘You better scan me, because I am the motor,' " - prologue winner Fabian Cancellara.
I don't think Cavendish's Tour de Suisse dust-up was helping Renshaw's cause any
With regard to the perception of this being a first. Undercurrent of team getting dinged.
but if that's their thinking it's seriously unfair
they a) can’t punish Renshaw for Cav & b) can’t punish someone for something in another race. All they should do is judge today’s incident as it is according to whatever criteria they have for doing so. Anything else is totally unjust.
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
I agree that it wouldn't be just
Seems there is consensus that it’s an overreaction to DQ him, it’s the only thing I could come up with. :)
don't think the officials see it as overreacting
by quarantanamo on Jul 15, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
do you know if the officials didn't already warn the teams of expulsion?
by ZoeRochelle on Jul 15, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
they didn't warn my VDS team
that’s as much as i know
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
Renshaw definitely out of the race
http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/97th-tour-de-france-gt/stage-11/results
"After the race, they scanned my bike, and I said to them, ‘You better scan me, because I am the motor,' " - prologue winner Fabian Cancellara.
Thought it might be, but I can't read french...
sometimes, I even have trouble with english…LOL
"After the race, they scanned my bike, and I said to them, ‘You better scan me, because I am the motor,' " - prologue winner Fabian Cancellara.
Speaking of unexpected mainstream coverage
Megabeth’s office building elevators have little LCD screens that show major headlines and such. Yesterday, Armstrong’s ownership of Tailwind got on there. How . . . something.
He didnt own any of it. Ever.
And he doesnt know who does. Or who runs it. Or anything really.
Personally, if I get 10% of a company, I remember the hour of the day I got given it
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Pescheux confirms to Reuters
Renshaw is out
ain't that a tragedy
Eisel is a fine leadout man, and they still have a good leadout train, this really doesn’t rule out cavendish for more sprint victories.
"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"
Congratulations Bernie...
You’re a lead-out man now.
Better start toughening that head up a bit. Here, Barredo is offering to swing a wheel at it for you!
Bunch of slack-jawed faggots around here. This stuff will make you a god damned sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me - Jens Voigt, Predator (1987)
On a positive note
I tore up Phil H’s game today with a sweep of the podium. I know a few others did too.
"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton
Yeah, but we're checking the footage now...
it seems you may have disrupted umwolverine’s line after headbutting Ozzie5365.
This is good?
I will total scores now, I slept longer than intended and then watched the replay on Versus.
Vamos Alberto!
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Let’s take our minds off that nasty headbutting stuff, and focus on Fabian chatting to Basso
this must have been before Mark heard the news
the sunflowers seem fascinated by the race
I can ride with one hand behind my back. I can ride with two hands behind my back.
tnx katiek
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