Tour de France Stage 12 LIVE
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Yeah that's fair enough
I’m having serious i want chocolate-itis and so i’m drinking coffee instead :(
Venga Caisse d'Epargne!
I just had a piece of cake...when it's someone's borthday you can't refuse, right?
That would be rude :P
Nice marmotte
You'll pey the prysh for that later
Warning... not everything I say should be taken entirely seriously
Morning!
Got to run some stupid chores before I can come back and get impatient for live video ;)
Sad to report no cycling related dreams last night either.
Venga Caisse d'Epargne!
speak to Bill & Ted
Perhaps they can rustle up some historical personages to help you with your chores.
Worked for them.
So Thor's in a spot of bother on his quest to get Green
I think he looks downright dreadful in sprints, so I wonder if he’ll try and get in the break today.
"Thanks again, Floyd Landis, Yellow Jersey Wearer: Nuisance Category"
Wide, wide open race today
With the really spiky stuff coming back on Sunday, and the GC table quite spread out, I can’t see Saxo worrying about anyone but the top five in the GC. If they don’t control things too closely at the front, I think we’ll see some big splits.
I like the chances of Kreuzinger, Brajkovic, Gesink and Roche. Light, top class climbers who will be given a bit of leeway to make digs on the last climb.
I’m in a meeting learning about procurement software for the last two hours of the race. I will bring a world of hate into that overheated demonstration suite.
I hope your'e right about a couple b-list GC'ers making a run for it
And I can see Saxo sitting back, but I don’t see how Albert will contain himself if somebody attacks
"Thanks again, Floyd Landis, Yellow Jersey Wearer: Nuisance Category"
I think Albert would be making a mistake
If he doesn’t contain himself. Tomorrow is relatively flat, but Sunday is bloody awful. All the GC-ers had to work pretty hard yesterday to stay at the front in the winds.
by EdredonBrowny on Jul 16, 2010 6:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Wegman and Boom have had a go
I think we are going to see some decent Ardennes guys trying to get in the break today (+Pineau)
Farrar dropped on the first cat 3
Also McEwen, Klöden and Armstrong. Ehrmm.
Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...
Good question
Not sure if they’re back in the peloton, since Radioshack is chasing.
Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...
by TheFigurehead on Jul 16, 2010 7:02 AM EDT up reply actions
you're too far away to slap upside the head
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
Jokes aside
Lance sure seemed to be making a lot of comments early in the season that made it sound like they might be trying to sign Tyler. It would be a good fit for them too.
Yeah, there’s no better place for a sprinter and budding cobbles rider to develop than Johan Bruyneel teams.
By "them" I mean RS
A winning american to hold them over until Phinney matures.
Can’t say i disagree with your take on RS.
Taylor Phinney and RS is an interesting question
How far does RS go to support him? I mean, Phinney could be a massive talent and he would need support riders.
Does Bruyneel go outside of his comfort zone and build at least part of a team around Phinney? Or is Phinney on his own?
(All of course, assuming Phinney works out as a pro)
If RS is still around
I’m sure they will build around TP. If they are any good at it is another matter.
Wish the video coverage started early today! Seems like an exciting start
"Thanks again, Floyd Landis, Yellow Jersey Wearer: Nuisance Category"
Wow...wasn't expecting a major split that early!
Starting to feel glad I set the whole stage to record…
Nice marmotte
Hesjedal, Fedrigo and Costa at the front
Peloton +20"
hmmm, no shacker chasing costa?
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
The whole peloton seems to be absolutely exhausted
The Pyrenees will be massacric
The scanners weren't working yesterday...
… and I don’t know if they’re working today. So it might be a day to risk sticking a couple of AAs in your frame.
Cance FTW!
yo all !
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
good. now that the formalities are out of the way.
i will attempt to stay in the live race chat threads in real time… instead of coming in way late (tho, the nap was nice yesterday am)
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
figured as much. i turned the tv on to versus just as the crosswinds hit (for that little amount of time)
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
I came home at 11pm - about 100k to go
turned on the tv, saw the commentators talking about rocks, and promptly went to bed!
Don’t seem to be able to reply today. Obligatory seahorsing. I say conta and andy look for weakness in each other. If one feels he has the legs, he’ll test the other. Off to climb Aubisque, maybe can catch the end in a bar. Happy stage everyone.
I am back. It is very windy, i'm a wimp and i don't like riding in headwinds like this! :/
So, interesting start, is everyone back together now? (Minus any escapees)
Venga Caisse d'Epargne!
Jim Ochowicz
says Wiggins crashed and is still behind (5 minutes ago). Perhaps confusing him with Geraint Thomas?
Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...
Back now.
Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...
by TheFigurehead on Jul 16, 2010 7:06 AM EDT up reply actions
(sigh, stage 9 was such a fun stage)
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
Renshaw has some super harsh words for Garmin this morning
I won’t speak with anyone from Garmin anymore
It’s sad that this is the only way they can try and win races
He’s (Cav) 10 times the sprinter that Tyler Farrar is. I think Farrar is just flapping around the place. The only way they could win is if they take us out. I think that’s the attitude that Garmin has.
"Thanks again, Floyd Landis, Yellow Jersey Wearer: Nuisance Category"
he's just been kicked out of the race
I can understand he’s upset. I don’t think it reflects on his class.
That said, I can understand him being narky with Dean, but not Farrar. And neither of them kicked him out.
agree. i honestly think he was sitting at a train station giving the interview via phone
So I can imagine him being upset and saying things he probably doesn’t mean.
"Thanks again, Floyd Landis, Yellow Jersey Wearer: Nuisance Category"
Brian Holm is making the same kind of Garmin remarks before the start today
so I think the sentiment is really there in the HTC team.
Yes, and he is really very very rude in his remarks and tone, sorrry I can not translate. He used the same language yesterday, not nice.
by LittleOldLady on Jul 16, 2010 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully with time he will become more philosophical about it then...
Because these comments don’t really show a comprehension of his own role in this, and to blame Garmin seems to be missing the point.
his comments immediately after the stage were similar
saying something like “of course tyler is complaining, he hasn’t won a tdf stage” if i remember correctly
by quarantanamo on Jul 16, 2010 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Don’t he forger, that he was DQ not by Garmin, but by the Race Officials?
Life is not fair! Need proof? Did you see any Vacansoleil Jersey in this year’s TDF?
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And he was DQ'ed before Garmin could make their complaint
Although, they were on their way to make a complaint…
Not being in the battle, it's hard for me to judge
but he’s been pushed and battered a bit in the earlier stages and he likely feels they’ve been as guilty (but were smart enough not to be as visible).
I’m not nearly teknik enough to judge if he has any legitmate basis to feel this way. But what’s a GT without some polemica.
oh dear
guess that team rivalry is back in a big way
"I was watching the Tour de France in 2005, just being a fan again. I thought, ‘you're a fucking idiot. You're a bike fan who gets to ride the Tour de France.'"
- david millar
I like rivalries, because i think they make for better racing
But not much of a rivalry when HTC continually wins.
"Thanks again, Floyd Landis, Yellow Jersey Wearer: Nuisance Category"
no, you're right
how about antipathy? where did he say that stuff by the way? if i was the team media manager i’d be keeping a lid on him.
"I was watching the Tour de France in 2005, just being a fan again. I thought, ‘you're a fucking idiot. You're a bike fan who gets to ride the Tour de France.'"
- david millar
that's a tad petty
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
I didn't post the full comments, but he was upset because Garmin riders said the DQ was justified and that what Renshaw did was intentional
"Thanks again, Floyd Landis, Yellow Jersey Wearer: Nuisance Category"
He felt the TdF is too important to riders, and it was BS that other riders were glad he was leaving
"Thanks again, Floyd Landis, Yellow Jersey Wearer: Nuisance Category"
I grabbed it from the Sky ticker, which grabbed it from an interview this morning from letour.fr
"Thanks again, Floyd Landis, Yellow Jersey Wearer: Nuisance Category"
You can see the full comments by scrolling down
http://www.teamsky.com/tour-de-france/live/0,28489,19042_6243498,00.html
"Thanks again, Floyd Landis, Yellow Jersey Wearer: Nuisance Category"
tah
"I was watching the Tour de France in 2005, just being a fan again. I thought, ‘you're a fucking idiot. You're a bike fan who gets to ride the Tour de France.'"
- david millar
Yeah, I get that, but he's implying here,
with “It’s sad that this is the only way they can try and win races” , that Garmin were somehow conspiring in it. Whether he meant it that way or not, it comes across as petty. It’s surely the ASO/officials he should be venting his anger against? I wonder, if the boot had been on the other foot, whether HTC would have appealed against the exclusion of a rival? Maybe they would…but who knows…
Nice marmotte
Something suggests had this been a role reversal they'd be saying it was justified too
It would have semeed dangerous (the drifting out of line more than the headbutting) to them if it wasn’t them doing it, that’s just human nature.
Venga Caisse d'Epargne!
Inclined to agree, yes, and that's not because I'm being an 'HTC hater'...
…I think it’s most likely that any team would. I’m just weary of trying to express an opinion on this as I have Cav lover friends who might pillory me without listening to what I actually say! So I’ll shut up now ;)
Nice marmotte
Oh i wasn't limiting that to HTC, most teams would
At the end of the day, they’re always going to want their team to stay safe and if they deem another rider to be endangering that, they’re not going to stick up for him as much..
Venga Caisse d'Epargne!
But that refers to Dean's move, no?
Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...
by TheFigurehead on Jul 16, 2010 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, Renshaw felt that Dean was trying to take him out
Hence “It’s sad that this is the only way they can try and win races”. If that really was Dean’s intention isn’t necessarily interesting, and it doesn’t necessarily imply equal blame either.
Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...
by TheFigurehead on Jul 16, 2010 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions
True, but it just seems that in the heat of this all, Renshaw/HTC are trying to shift blame.
I personally didn’t see Dean do anything illegal…looked to me like normal lead out train shenanigans.
Nice marmotte
Shift blame, where and when?
Share a bit of the blame is more like it. Because really, Dean tried to cut across Renshaw.
Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...
by TheFigurehead on Jul 16, 2010 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions
It's just the implication...
Like what Garmin did somehow made Renshaw’s actions partially justified…perhaps I should watch it again and concentrate more on Dean, but to me it didn’t look as bad as Renshaw moving into Farrar. Not saying Dean was totally blameless though.
Nice marmotte
he wasn't
but renshaw’s actions were far worse. dean’s were what you see in any normal sprint, stuff that goes unpunished 99 times out of 100.
"I was watching the Tour de France in 2005, just being a fan again. I thought, ‘you're a fucking idiot. You're a bike fan who gets to ride the Tour de France.'"
- david millar
To add to that
(and what makes Renshaw’s/HTC’s complaining ring a bit hollow) it was exactly the kind of thing that Renshaw did in the run-up to Cav’s first win and in the interviews he smilingly wrote it off as “that’s bikeracing”.
yeah, exactly
don’t give it out if you can’t take it
"I was watching the Tour de France in 2005, just being a fan again. I thought, ‘you're a fucking idiot. You're a bike fan who gets to ride the Tour de France.'"
- david millar
As I mentioned yesterday, Farrar as sweeper
It’s only a grey area between what Renshaw did yesterday and Garmins’ stated sprint tactics last week,
Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...
by TheFigurehead on Jul 16, 2010 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions
But if Renshaw felt that Dean was trying to take him out
Then his statements about Garmin isn’t totally off base, no? Again, he might be wrong but you can’t really judge what he’s saying afterwards without taking into account his view of the matter.
Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...
by TheFigurehead on Jul 16, 2010 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions
not totally off-base, no
just fairly ill-judged, in terms of tone…
"I was watching the Tour de France in 2005, just being a fan again. I thought, ‘you're a fucking idiot. You're a bike fan who gets to ride the Tour de France.'"
- david millar
No.
It’s just that “I’m not talking to them” stuff pisses me off a bit. But then Garmin’s blessed sprint train does a bit too (unpopular opinion, I know).
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
robbie hunter especially
maybe it’s the 140 characters thing, but he just comes across as a douche on twitter.
"I was watching the Tour de France in 2005, just being a fan again. I thought, ‘you're a fucking idiot. You're a bike fan who gets to ride the Tour de France.'"
- david millar
If he really thinks that, then I agree.
Who knows what’s behind his words…we never will. And for the record, I do think the expulsion was probably too harsh, although there are strong arguments both ways.
Nice marmotte
Holm in his description of the HTC-Garmin feud
today says they have had issues since Dean torpedoed Ciolek in a TdF sprint in 2008. (oy)
don’t think its the first time this tour that a garman has got into Renshaw’s face in the final KM’s so I can understand him feeling that it was a ‘tactic’ being used against him.
His mistake was trying to push back, what he should have done was waited until after the stage and hit dean over the head with his wheel, that’s perfectly acceptable……
Actually, thinking about it
in some of Cav’s crashes this year his wheel has appeared to fold/snap quite easily so it might not be the best choice of weapon for an HTC rider either
No, venting anger against a rival makes you sound petty
venting anger against the ASO/officials can keep you out of races.
Still, Vaughters was running around looking for the jury
to make a case for Renshaw to be excluded. Was talking on the phone at the same time and the camera picked up words to the effect of: “If he doesn’t go, we’re stepping out of this race.” Sounded like he was prepared to put quite some pressure on the organisation to get Renshaw excluded.
Ceci n'est pas une signature.
If he was ever going to pull a team...
… it would be this team. Which is broken. Farrar most of the way back, but injured and could do with time off, Vandevelde gone, Miller injured, Ryder (understandably) looking exhausted…
No, he wouldn’t pull the team, but I can believe he meant it at the time.
by EdredonBrowny on Jul 16, 2010 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions
JV is a smart guy
He wouldn’t want to explain to Garmin and his other sponsors why they’re not on tv every day in the biggest race in the world.
Where did you see JV running around? I haven't seen that video, but would like to
"Thanks again, Floyd Landis, Yellow Jersey Wearer: Nuisance Category"
Well, not running per se,
but busily talking on phone and walking around looking for the jury. Was on Belgian & Dutch late night Tour TV shows. Can’t seem to readily find it at http://nos.nl/sport/wielrennen/tour-2010/video-en-audio/ or http://www.sporza.be/cm/sporza/wielrennen/Tour
Ceci n'est pas une signature.
Ah, so much for hoping he'd take the high road and throw all his anger into training/racing
I presume he’s also not talking to anyone associated with the Tour/ASO given it was them who kicked him out?
Venga Caisse d'Epargne!
oh, good lord
what a bitchy little girl response. “I won’t speak with anyone from Garmin anymore?” Did he turn around, stomp his feet, and make sure his pony tail bounced hard as he walked away, after?
afternoon everyone
wish we had viddy for another classic I AM VINO moment
"I was watching the Tour de France in 2005, just being a fan again. I thought, ‘you're a fucking idiot. You're a bike fan who gets to ride the Tour de France.'"
- david millar
oh, always
"I was watching the Tour de France in 2005, just being a fan again. I thought, ‘you're a fucking idiot. You're a bike fan who gets to ride the Tour de France.'"
- david millar
no pineau? no shacker?
charteau is virtual kom again
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
break:
Vino, Charteau, Kiriyenka, Kern, Verdugo,Klödi, Ryder,Casar, Thor, Aerts, Siutsov,
Santabroggio, Barredo,Perget, Moinard, Pauriol, Bole, Valls, Felli
Break stays away, Vino FTW. Thanks for coming.
illa illa illa, Villa maravilla!
break riders on GC:
12. Ryder Hesjedal, Garmin – Transitions, at 05:42
14. Alexandre Vinokourov, Astana, at 06:31
20. Andréas Kloden, Team RadioShack, at 09:05
24. Sandy Casar, FDJ, at 10:46
31. Kanstantsin Sivtsov, Team HTC-Columbia, at 17:50
33. Mario Aerts, Omega Pharma – Lotto, at 20:09
34. Rémi Pauriol, Cofidis Le Credit En Ligne, at 20:26
39. Gorka Verdugo, Euskaltel – Euskadi, at 26:28
47. Anthony Charteau, Bbox Bouygues Telecom, at 38:27
48. Rafael Valls Ferri, Footon-Servetto, at 39:10
54. Amaël Moinard, Cofidis Le Credit En Ligne, at 46:16
61. Mathieu Perget, Caisse D’Epargne, at 49:53
63. Carlos Barredo, Quick Step, at 50:52
72. Mauro Santambrogio, BMC Racing Team, at 56:03
76. Vasil Kiryienka, Caisse D’Epargne, at 58:01
96. Christophe Kern, Cofidis Le Credit En Ligne, at 1:13:18
129. Thor Hushovd, Cervelo Test Team, at 1:28:06
167. Grega Bole, Lampre – Farnese, at 1:48:47
hmmm, shack's gonna have to chase also if they want to stay up in the team class, what with two cde'ers in there
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
It's brilliant that they care so much about it.
Keeping making them work Cd’E ;)
Venga Caisse d'Epargne!
sorry, i might have been misunderstood
I mean RS, from believing they were the best team ever, to… coming out publicly saying now they’re fighting for the… team classif. Kudos to CdE!!
Charteau
Now favourite to go back into polka dots. Go bbox.
Asked if there are any special diets among the nine riders he smiles: "Yes - nine. If they weren't special, they wouldn't be riding the Tour de France". Soren Kristensen, Chef, Team Sky
Morning everyone!
Why didn’t HTC just pull out of the TDF in protest? Only 3 sprinters friendly stages left, and they almost has no chance to win them, without Mark R. any way!
Life is not fair! Need proof? Did you see any Vacansoleil Jersey in this year’s TDF?
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Umm... 'cause the sponsors aren't acting out of charity?
illa illa illa, Villa maravilla!
Bad publicity, good publicity, still a publicity!
Life is not fair! Need proof? Did you see any Vacansoleil Jersey in this year’s TDF?
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... of relatively short duration, if they pull out. Show goes on without them...
illa illa illa, Villa maravilla!
think they still have a fairly good chance of winning them, myself
& hardly fair on Rogers, T-Mart etc.
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
yeah
renshaw or no renshaw, cav will probably still win on the champs….that’s the biggest sprint stage of the year.
"I was watching the Tour de France in 2005, just being a fan again. I thought, ‘you're a fucking idiot. You're a bike fan who gets to ride the Tour de France.'"
- david millar
and because it is so wide can be won without much of a lead out
Warning... not everything I say should be taken entirely seriously
It's really not a good idea to piss off the ASO for a statement.
It may make you feel good for a minute, but it will hurt when you’re begging to be invited the next year.
o/t... what do you know? a 3.6 earthquake epicentered in germantown, maryland, at 5.04am today.
didn’t feel it down here. must ask hubby if he felt anything (in reston, virginia)
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
Didn’t feel a thing in NJ.
Life is not fair! Need proof? Did you see any Vacansoleil Jersey in this year’s TDF?
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only earthquake i've felt was way back in july 1980, while at home over the summer in detroit. the epicenter was in kentucky. it was a 5 iirc
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
I live in DC
I usually get up at 5:3 so it’s not like I was in deep sleep, but I didn’t feel a thing. Woke up some coworkers though
good morning cycling fans
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
afternoon!
"I was watching the Tour de France in 2005, just being a fan again. I thought, ‘you're a fucking idiot. You're a bike fan who gets to ride the Tour de France.'"
- david millar
so, how far along is this stage anyway?
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
tnx
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
Heart wants Ryder, head says Vino for the win
"Thanks again, Floyd Landis, Yellow Jersey Wearer: Nuisance Category"
Think they will be chased down eventually
Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...
by TheFigurehead on Jul 16, 2010 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Saxo Bank seem to be interested
Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...
by TheFigurehead on Jul 16, 2010 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Do they have any riders that could win the stage?
Andy was saying it was too sharp and short for him. Of course Saxo should keep a lid on the break. But I don’t a reason for them to reel it in.
andy doesn't like the finish? hmmmm. oh, conta....
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
What is the correct pronunciation of Vino?
vee – new – core – off
vee – no – core – off
"Thanks again, Floyd Landis, Yellow Jersey Wearer: Nuisance Category"
Anyone remember that It's Always Sunny episode w/ the oil
Vino is the wildcard. He just stands there, looking like he could do something crazy at any moment
even when he does smart stuff...
I find myself thinking “what the hell is that guy DOING???”
by billcicletta on Jul 16, 2010 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions
The second one is corect.
Life is not fair! Need proof? Did you see any Vacansoleil Jersey in this year’s TDF?
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Vee - no - coor - ov
Life is not fair! Need proof? Did you see any Vacansoleil Jersey in this year’s TDF?
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is that what it means?
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
there's my learning for the day.
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
Is that stress pattern the rule for all Russian names? I've often wondered but never been sure.
What about female names with the ‘…ina’ ending? Should it technically be Kar-EN-ina or Karen-INA?
Nice marmotte
The second one sounds right.
Life is not fair! Need proof? Did you see any Vacansoleil Jersey in this year’s TDF?
.
Interesting, cos that's the way I'd usually say it,
but when saying the book title Anna Karenina, English speaking people tend to say it the other way.
Nice marmotte
bonjour
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
hey o/t but did you hear L. Blanc wants to punish the entire French team?
I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it
by plinytheelder on Jul 16, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
ops
well I think it’s on front page of main site, lemonde.fr
I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it
by plinytheelder on Jul 16, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Earthquake in Washington?
First the seas around America turn into oil, now the earth opens up and swallows its capitol. You think these are signs?
Ceci n'est pas une signature.
wait? i thought god WAS a lobbyist?
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
perfectly logical explanation
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
um, what's a civilized hour (iyo)?
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
7:30
Which is an hour earlier that it used to be. For all of the other faults my profession may have, starting early in the day is not one of them.
yikes. i've never been able to sleep in that long. i seldom sleep past 4.30
(or course, i do upon occasions take naps during the day… when i’m overly bored)
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
sui around 8:30am, on his way to work
http://www.thehighdefinite.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/7tGEA.jpg
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
Was there an earthquake in your area?
Please give info. Thanks
If I wanted to get shit small wins, I'd race shit small races (Cavendish on Greipel)
just a measly 3.6, centered in germantown, md. nothing much.
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the earth didnt move for you?
Sorry, had to be said
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Good morning Podium Cafe!!!
If I wanted to get shit small wins, I'd race shit small races (Cavendish on Greipel)
So, I read up thread that Klöden fell
off the back early, and now he’s in the break? Is that correct?
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last year i received a minor degree in geology
from all of the rock conversations.
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last year I received a major blackout
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Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...
by TheFigurehead on Jul 16, 2010 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
And we have an experts in every aspect of life, here! lol
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I knew it, Jens!
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wouldnt gas & matches be easier?
If I wanted to get shit small wins, I'd race shit small races (Cavendish on Greipel)
Burge - de - Peagr to Mende Day Massacre!?
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preferably when it has come off the wearer
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also, welcome
Tho’ I’ve seen you’ve been around quite some time. Anyway, good to see other DC area folks here.
other o/t: at the british open, being held at the historic st andrews course, the leader is sitting at -12. -12? at st andrews? after the 2nd round? there's something wrong with the world.
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no cricket, please
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by TheFigurehead on Jul 16, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
madness
and there was me thinking the wind would wreak havoc today.
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- david millar
they will be this afternoon
wind is really getting up now
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- david millar
do they even let women on the course at St Andrew's yet?
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
i doubt it.
"I was watching the Tour de France in 2005, just being a fan again. I thought, ‘you're a fucking idiot. You're a bike fan who gets to ride the Tour de France.'"
- david millar
women's open was there in 2007
they’re not quite as mysogynistic as the Vatican seems to be these days
moo
The Vatican allows women into churches, but not women to become priests
And St Andrews don’t allow women to become members. I think it’s fair to say that St Andrews and the Vatican are about equally misogynistic.
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by TheFigurehead on Jul 16, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Handicap is the prefered nomenclature
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by TheFigurehead on Jul 16, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
The cricket talks about this year's World's course
"Amstel Gold Race without the final climb of the Cauberg".
"Thanks again, Floyd Landis, Yellow Jersey Wearer: Nuisance Category"
no cricket, please
wait, no, carry on
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by TheFigurehead on Jul 16, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions
so we can expect a bunch sprint?
If I wanted to get shit small wins, I'd race shit small races (Cavendish on Greipel)
Cavendish, World Champion?
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Please no 100 times!
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It's gonna happen sometime
And to be fair, it would be good to have a World Champion who is clearly the best of his particular brand of cycling
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well put
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by plinytheelder on Jul 16, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Will the Brits
be well drilled as the HTC squad when chasing an escape and leading out a sprint? I think Cav’s success depends on this factor.
If I wanted to get shit small wins, I'd race shit small races (Cavendish on Greipel)
I'm not sure I think it's really a course for Cav.
Next year more likely.
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
can please you send a link
with the profile of this years race.
If I wanted to get shit small wins, I'd race shit small races (Cavendish on Greipel)
Will Renshaw, became British Citizen?
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GB could field a good lead out train - it's the mountains where we struggle
but I don’t think they’ll be allowed a full team, and they’ll probably have to do a lot of work throughout the race
don;t know about drilled
but there is a heck of a train there…:
- Millar, Wiggo for controlling the run in
- Thomas for the final km
- Ben Swift for lead out
- Cav to finish off
Off the top of my head, I think perhaps only Oz gets close to that… and they maybe don’t have the finisher unless you say renshaw goes for himself.
Any thoughts?
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renshaw vs. cav would be awesome
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don't forget the downing bros
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- david millar
yep good point - last 40km merchants to drill it and bring in the break
Actually, that team looks like it is moving from good to damn near unbeatable
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But Cav>AleJet, yes?
And who would be the early train members…?
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Russ is a very good leadout man.
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i doubt it..
but he’d be a good choice in my opinion..
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isnt dean kiwi?
or are we talking a different deano (the only one that comes to mind is the bloke who played #8 for England and I think of more as a rouleur)
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dean downing!
brother of russell, crit race specialist
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- david millar
at that point, my knowledge of UK crit is shown to be...
… what it is. aka rather limited
My knowledge of cycling rugby players is, of course, encyclopedic.
Dallaglio in the Alps in the snow was a sight to see…
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good point
Renshaw leading out Hausler versus Cav – that is box office right there
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that's right, he's all aussie now
could make for a badass race
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
no grudges bourne there, I'm guessing... :)
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Don't think Wiggo's going to Aus
but don’t forget Hunt and Hammond
what, Hunt the alleged leader of the TdeS protest against Cav? Hmmm. ;-)
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
Afstand te gaan: 92.0 km
Peloton op 1m59s
koploper(s) – 18 renners
If I wanted to get shit small wins, I'd race shit small races (Cavendish on Greipel)
I just call my guys at the office, bunch of koplopers! LOL
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okay, off to find food before my next helping of crushed limestone
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i recommend a chick fil a chicken biscuit
just had me one, about to go for another.
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
rice with baked potato soup
pasta with chicken breast and marinara sauce and steamed broccoli later. also on the menu for today, cottage cheese and campari tomatoes. oranges. that is all.
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not so bad.
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
I have a feeling the break
will be caught within the next 25km.
Lampre is trying to keep the Green Jersey.
If I wanted to get shit small wins, I'd race shit small races (Cavendish on Greipel)
Are Lampre working?
Would give Saxo some help…
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the break is maintaining
a 2min 17sec lead
If I wanted to get shit small wins, I'd race shit small races (Cavendish on Greipel)
Happy Birthday
There are a few riders celebrating their birthdays today, by the way. Stefano Garzelli turns 37 today, André Greipel 28 and Miguel Indurain 48
If I wanted to get shit small wins, I'd race shit small races (Cavendish on Greipel)
New Mountain Standings
After Côte de la Mouline
1 Charteau (FRA, BTL) 107
2 J. Pineau (FRA, QST) 92
3 Moreau (FRA, GCE) 62
4 Aerts (BEL, OLO) 58
If I wanted to get shit small wins, I'd race shit small races (Cavendish on Greipel)
he's good enough to go for it
and french enough to ignore it.
Hence 3rd – 6th…
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GARMIN WOOOHOOOOOOOO
GARMIN WOO HESJEDAL WOO HOOOOOOOOO USAAAAAAAA
I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it
hacksaw jim duggan over here
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- david millar
Me likey this profile
Looks like a mini classic stage. Bumpy enough to be hard to control. Good ending climb to cause GC worries.
Could be fun.
Unless everyone decides to save it for the GC.
For me, this looks like a Schlecklet stage – he seems to like this rolling stuff which ends not in HC – his stage win and LBL are sorta like this? What do we think?
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I say Vino or Hesjedal
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by plinytheelder on Jul 16, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
not saying no - just thinking your choice of rider is sort of where my mind is
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up thread, someone remarked that andy doesn't like the finish. too short and sharp for his liking, iirc
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agreed on profile by the way, this is my fave kind of stage, Gilbert should have done Tour just for this
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by plinytheelder on Jul 16, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
amstel gold?
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- david millar
i guess
but i’d fancy gilbert to place well today anyway..
"I was watching the Tour de France in 2005, just being a fan again. I thought, ‘you're a fucking idiot. You're a bike fan who gets to ride the Tour de France.'"
- david millar
yeah...
that climb looks longish compared to a classic, but remember Gilbert was what, 6th at Fleche? And this climb isn’t as steep. I could be wrong, but I think he’d be pretty ideally suited to this one.
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by plinytheelder on Jul 16, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
yep, me too
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- david millar
yeah Leipheimer just said
3k at 10%, and he keeps saying “explosive” (he said explosive), perfect for Ph G I’d say
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by plinytheelder on Jul 16, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
seems to me
like a nice stage to actually ride sometime, on holiday. Rolling, pretty scenery, etc. Yes?
boardman reckons the finish could change the face of the GC.
"I was watching the Tour de France in 2005, just being a fan again. I thought, ‘you're a fucking idiot. You're a bike fan who gets to ride the Tour de France.'"
- david millar
Jens! says he hates the climb to Mende
To much pain for him
~ shiver ~
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i didn't know the world had enough pain
to be too much for Jens!
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Lampre helping out the chase
For Cunego, or anti-Hushovd?
yeah, bit of both
thor & ale-jet are level now apparently.
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- david millar
Thor will be the leader of the Points Comp.
be the end of this day
If I wanted to get shit small wins, I'd race shit small races (Cavendish on Greipel)
hopefully.
"I was watching the Tour de France in 2005, just being a fan again. I thought, ‘you're a fucking idiot. You're a bike fan who gets to ride the Tour de France.'"
- david millar
After today's First Sprint
1 Petacchi (ITA, LAM) 161
2 Hushovd (NOO, CTT) 161
3 McEwen (AUS, KAT) 138
4 Cavendish (GBR, THR) 132
5 Rojas (SPA, GCE) 122
6 Turgot (FRA, BTL) 101
7 Boasson Hagen (NOO, SKY) 96
8 Ciolek (DUI, MRM) 87
9 Farrar (USA, GRM) 79
10 Thomas (GBR, SKY) 74
If I wanted to get shit small wins, I'd race shit small races (Cavendish on Greipel)
You know, Cav isnt out of the green battle yet
If Thor continues to sprint like a drain, Cav could well get 15+ points on him per sprint stage = 45
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But Peta looks like a consist top three finisher, so even if Thor faulters, I think Peta wins
"Thanks again, Floyd Landis, Yellow Jersey Wearer: Nuisance Category"
I am not impressed with
Hushovd’s sprinting this year. He’s very slow compared to last year. Don’t know why but I cant see him winning a sprint over Petacchi and Cav in this year’s race.
If I wanted to get shit small wins, I'd race shit small races (Cavendish on Greipel)
green jersey is for points
not necessarily sprinting. thor isn’t as fast, but is consistent.
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- david millar
I know
but Hushovd couldnt beat Grega Bole (Lampre) for this mornings points.
If I wanted to get shit small wins, I'd race shit small races (Cavendish on Greipel)
he just beat him now...
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- david millar
yeah
it’s good riding from bole, but props to thor for sticking with it.
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- david millar
New Standings
1 Hushovd (NOO, CTT) 167
2 Petacchi (ITA, LAM) 161
3 McEwen (AUS, KAT) 138
If I wanted to get shit small wins, I'd race shit small races (Cavendish on Greipel)
haha!
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by plinytheelder on Jul 16, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
stage wins and placings
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biggest hammer
Thor wins
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he said biggest hammer
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by plinytheelder on Jul 16, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Large hammer, small
[xxxxx]
Complete.
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vino berating the break
YOU RIDE NOW. VINO HURT SAXO
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- david millar
yeah, he's so endlessly entertaining
"I was watching the Tour de France in 2005, just being a fan again. I thought, ‘you're a fucking idiot. You're a bike fan who gets to ride the Tour de France.'"
- david millar
I'm not sure Vino really hurts Saxo
Surely not a big enough threat? Can’t they just let him ride?
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probably
but do they want to take the risk?
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- david millar
Compared to burning the team
Sure.
Vino’s a good rider. But how far down on GC is he (genuinely dont know)? And can anyone see him getting the the tourmalet unscathed?
I think you say stuff him: we can lose 3+ minutes to him and be fine. Almost think they must be thinking that otherwise they wouldnt have let him go
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he's 6'31 down
i agree with you, but it’s easy for us to say he won’t make it over the tourmalet. surely being cautious is the best policy? don’t forget hejesdal is in the break, and he’s 5’42 back. i think saxo just want to be in control.
"I was watching the Tour de France in 2005, just being a fan again. I thought, ‘you're a fucking idiot. You're a bike fan who gets to ride the Tour de France.'"
- david millar
YEah - I think stay in control
but don’t burn too much. If he and / or ryder take three minutes or so, let him. Plus that brings him towards podium so some of the other teams will have to start working too.
So my advice for Saxo would be to chill – there’s plenty of room to work in the weekend
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Levi interviewed...
on versus.
Hoping to stay with menchov and/or sanchez on the last climb today. Says, short, steep, explosive…time gaps likely.
(and good morning)
now sock-less and carefree.
levi implied that he expected it as well...
said it was nearly 3k and steep. He said it’s hard enough to hurt people who ride like him, so that’s why he said his goal was to stick with menchov and sanchez, who’s riding style more matches his steady pace…
now sock-less and carefree.
by JustJoshinYa on Jul 16, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Wasnt dissing him
just thought it was an interesting rider’s take on the challenge, and interesting to see his view of his own skills
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Interesting to see his ambitions
He’s assuming there will be selection and he is assuming he won’t make the cut.
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think he's just being realistic about the climb
now sock-less and carefree.
by JustJoshinYa on Jul 16, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
Levi is under no illusions that he is as explosive as Bert and Andy, so why not peg your wheel to a group that you can work with and limit gaps. not exciting, but smart
"Thanks again, Floyd Landis, Yellow Jersey Wearer: Nuisance Category"
he also said that position coming into the climb is very important.
So, expect the pack to up the pace leading into it and watch for the bigs to move up…
now sock-less and carefree.
by JustJoshinYa on Jul 16, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
haha!
tv needs more of that, I always say
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by plinytheelder on Jul 16, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
THOR
back in green. excellent.
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- david millar
stage profile doesn't show any.
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by JustJoshinYa on Jul 16, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Thor said in the interview that he is glad to be in his Norvigian Champ jersey. ( Tung in cheek )
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thor heading back to the peloton, with kern.
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- david millar
yeah, good stuff
"I was watching the Tour de France in 2005, just being a fan again. I thought, ‘you're a fucking idiot. You're a bike fan who gets to ride the Tour de France.'"
- david millar
ooh, that's an interesting break.
now sock-less and carefree.
by JustJoshinYa on Jul 16, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
good group
that sticks, short of some spectacular fireworks
But here is an interesting thought. If Vino looks like he is on for the win, Astana can’t put their climbers on the front and flog the GC guys into submission. So the attacks when they come will be from fresh riders
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solid group
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
stalking.
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by umwolverine on Jul 16, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
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