Jerseygate - UCI opens disciplinary proceedings against Radioshack
by Monty. on Jul 26, 2010 1:35 PM EDT
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From the UCI Press office:
The International Cycling Union (UCI) wishes to announce that disciplinary proceedings will be opened against Team RadioShack, for breaching the regulations governing riders’ clothing.
The UCI regrets that an initiative for a cause as worthy as the fight against cancer was not coordinated beforehand with the Commissaires and organisers of the event. This could have been done whilst remaining within the rules.
Team RadioShack’s incorrect behaviour led to a 20-minute delay to the start of the final stage, which could have disrupted the televised coverage of the race, placing the Commissaires under the obligation to impose a fine on each rider and the team managers.
Team RadioShack subsequently breached the regulations by wearing an incorrect uniform on the podium for the protocol ceremony having been instructed not to.
The UCI also deplores the declarations made by Mr Johan Bruyneel who gravely offended all the Commissaires working in cycling. His remarks are utterly unacceptable, and Mr Bruyneel will be called upon to answer for his comments before the UCI Disciplinary Commission.
As the action of Team RadioShack was inspired by the desire to raise public awareness of the breadth of the global fight against cancer, the UCI has decided that any fines levied as a result of this matter would be donated to the Ligue suisse contre le cancer.
OK you don't like Jerseygate. How about Cancergate? 28gate? Time-for-another-donationgate? Jersey-some-other-big-building-suffix?
Do we have Mr Johan Bruyneel's exact words, just for the record like?
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Oh christ
RadioShack manager Johan Bruyneel confronted the officials, with the UCI describing the exchange as having “gravely offended” those involved. Bruyneel later used Twitter to further comment on the situation.
“Ok people! Now it’s official! To be a race commisar, you don’t need brains but only know the rules! Their motto: “c’est le reglement!,”
Wow
Please say Johan doesn’t have kids…
"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 26, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
they probably only listen to mom anyway.
"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 26, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
On a less jocular note
This must be the very first time I have ever agreed with every word in an UCI press release.
Warning... not everything I say should be taken entirely seriously
lame
I prefer something that rhymes with kerfluffle.
"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 26, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Jerfluffle!
"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 26, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
ooh, excellent!!!!
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
It sounds like some sort of fried dough treat
soaked in syrup or similar.
"I once took down a bear with a single punch." - Andy Schleck, Bear Wrassler
by omnevelnihil on Jul 27, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I propose a different punishment
Gather together all the offending parties and clunk their heads together like Moe would on the Three Stooges. That would be most satisfying.
Agree with giving the gate to all things ‘Gate.’ No offense Monty, but that description has been so beaten to death in the states I’m surprised a reality tv star has not named an offspring ‘Gate.’
"Woof, woof, woof! That's my other dog imitation."
No gate?
How about “All Jersey and No Knickers” First there was Britney. Then Lindsay. Now Lance joins that elite gang. Then all we need is a photo of Johan (or Mr Johan Bruyneel as we must all learn to call him) shaving his head in frustration and disgust at the actions of the commissars.
So you've seen the pictures of my kilt from the Christmas party?
Guilty, as charged.
"Woof, woof, woof! That's my other dog imitation."
That's what they generally do
On another topic, is Ryder currently Canada’s favorite athlete?
"Woof, woof, woof! That's my other dog imitation."
yes!
although I got in trouble the other day suggesting that all new borns should be named Ryder. Apparently bad choice for daughters ……
moo
Shall i be the first to say it?
Why does the UCI love cancer?
"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"
JB already said it, multiple times...
…you’re late to the party.
Restated
(Are the “lots to learn/restated” jokes way too old nowadays?)
http://www.bah.net/
by dees ees en drama on Jul 26, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Lance may not feel Bert has a lot to learn by now
"Until you shoot me off my bike I'll keep looking for a contract" - Jens!
Quitter's People United member # 42
To all interested parties:
Including Radioshack, UCI, TDF etc…..Does this really matter? It’s not like they were wearing jersey that
said “F..K” Contador or something completely inappropriate….OMG someone try do something to bring attention
to an important issue. I swear where did common sense go in the world???? I find outrage over a change in jersey stupid.
Did they take something away from Contador? No….he still got his parade and celebration. Its not like yesterday was a
real race day anyway. Its the world stage. The World Cup games made speeches against racism before the game starts. No one bitches about that….enough already. Let’s focus on the upcoming races….San Sebastian, the Vuelta and the Worlds.
Alpe Du Huez is my favorite place on earth!!!!!!
Did you see the part where they said if RS had asked first, it would have been OK?
"Oh man, it’s going to take days to kill all these people!"
So to be clear
Riders should be allowed to wear whatever they want in any race?
Because if the rule doesn’t get enforced now, why should it get enforced later?
Shack were sneaky (signed in in red jerseys) – they knew there would be an issue.
moo
Really?
So we let rider’s get into a fistfight and one attacks another with a front wheel and they get fined? They don’t get kicked out of the race. However a “headbutt” during the race means banishment. Is there a UCI rule that relates to drinking champagne or apple cider during a race? Do you really think they enforce every rule in the book? I think like many sports they enforce rules when the feel like it? BTW from what I have read UCI did not say it would have been ok if they had been asked about the jersey change, just that they would consider it if they had been asked. Its a celebration stage where all kinds of things are “allowed” just look at past TDF final stages. Clothing changes and crazy behavior by riders have been tolerated by the organizers before.
Alpe Du Huez is my favorite place on earth!!!!!!
my point was simply that
there is a rule for a reason …. and many have tried to break it previously ….. Shack clearly understood the issue and decided not to make the request. It was slimy on their part.
I am not sure what it has to do with wheel-gate? Personally, I think they should have been kicked out.
moo
My point is
That TDF organizers don’t enforce the rules as written at all time. Neither does the UCI. Wheelgate and the Headbutt Stage finish show that there is a great deal of "discretion> is used in all of this. I could agree that the Shack could have handled the situation better. Keep in mind in my real life all I deal with on a daily basis: rules and rules breakers so I agree with “there is a rule for a reason”….
Alpe Du Huez is my favorite place on earth!!!!!!
you should go check out
the daily lists of fines given for rules violation at the Tour. I’ve not bothered to look for them this year, but I’m sure they’re out there somewhere. One of the many things you’ll take away from it is that the UCI is actually a pretty big stickler for its rules.
hehe
at least this time the fines go to a worthy cause. I always wonder what these NGOs do with fines (pssst – UCI headquarters is in a sweet location).
moo
fat rent though
I suspect the answer has to do with property taxes.
"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 26, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
I would love to see that..Any guidance on where to find it would be appreciated!!!! Where did you find it in the past?
Alpe Du Huez is my favorite place on earth!!!!!!
Look (probably in Google.fr)
for “Commissaire’s communique” and associated TdF terms. It’ll be in French, and fines in francs (CHF). Usually on a non-obvious place at the TdF site. Ted might know better where to look.
They're alway really tough to find
And as I remember, most of the fines are for peeing in a too public place. I can’t remember teh exact euphemism.
it should be capitalized
I remember Majope once posting that Moreau liked to “whip it out at Will”
which still scares me ;)
moo
Sky were fined for not signing in one day, for instance.
Then mocked over race radio for staying in their lovely bus.
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
They still punised the riders
you can say the level of punishment was not consistent but they didn’t allow it. The UCI has rules, all must follow them, Lance is no exception(no matter what the cause).
"Until you shoot me off my bike I'll keep looking for a contract" - Jens!
Quitter's People United member # 42
Cipo used to get fined on a regular basis for breaking the dress rules.
He, or his team, would just pay up. It was a good PR investment. Others have also paid for showing up in the wrong kit, whether intentionally or by accident.
RS should have been prepared to do the same, instead of throwing a fit.
I thought Cipo did it for the hell of it?
Not marketing, just Cipo being Cipo. Or is that naive?
Warning... not everything I say should be taken entirely seriously
He did it for ego and vanity
which is somehow different than doing it for money. I’m not sure how the logic works, but there it is.
Vlaanderens Mooiste
It's
an Italian thing. Believe me, it worked.
"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 26, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
agree, but self-marketing and eyes on the team still add up to more camera time.
People were always looking to see if he’d be in the regular jersey or something fancy—that’s much more attention than the regular jersey usually gets.
Cancer is an important issue
but why should livestrong be able to promote themselves during an event which they are no way incorporated with? The Tour is a cycling race and not a cancer summit. What should be concentrated on is the cycling, livestrong can work with the ASO and organize something and it is fine but clearly they did not do so. You say Contador got celebrated but there was far more focus on RS and their little antics during the early part when the champs of the jerseys get their photo ops and ride together. It became a Lance and RS show when it shouldn’t have. The anti-racism movement in the WC is run by FIFA so that is not a good example.
"Until you shoot me off my bike I'll keep looking for a contract" - Jens!
Quitter's People United member # 42
There's also the thing that if Le Tour sponsored a charity
it should be a charity that does good work in France, or internationally?
As far as I’m aware, RS supports Americans only, doesn’t it?* If it was at the Tour of Britain, for instance, it would be more appropriate to support MacMillan, or CLIC, or Cancer Research UK.
(*I could be completely wrong here)
by Sarah Connolly on Jul 26, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
ToB has a partnership with a prostate cancer charity, doesn't it?
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
it did last year
they were collecting donations prior to a stage finish last year. also, the official banners all referenced it.
yeah, I think I stuck a couple of quid in a bucket
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
RS doesn't conduct any programs on their own, although they've been a donor to Livestrong
According to their webpage I linked below, many of the LS programs are in the US, but there are a variety of initiatives focused on Latin America and Africa and activities in some other countries as well. You can debate how effective or active any of these initiatives are because I have no idea, but the site does list a number of international activities.
Rules are rules...
its not the message, the UCI isn’t cold and heartless, but they do have to enforce their protocols.
"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"
Hijackers=pirates
These arrogant pricks can’t hijack a huge sporting event for their pet promotion.
Maybe if they had gone through channels, it could be sanctioned.
But this blatant hijacking of the Tour’s crowning moment for their own purposes deserves to be called out.
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the Flag and carrying the Cross."
--Sinclair Lewis
I knew you were behind this
It’s all so clear now.
"Woof, woof, woof! That's my other dog imitation."
Gotta love the UCI
Always focusing on the big things. Never mind their history of flip-flopping on dope, letting the IOC destroy the Olympic track program, a president who makes Tony Hayward look like a safe pair of hands etc etc. No, what really matters is JERSEY’s!
Whatever. Fine them. Move on.
you're stretching.
Just b/c they have done a bunch of stuff that is either extraordinarily lame, wrong headed, or at least highly debatable doesn’t mean that they can’t and / or shouldn’t enforce the rules in this or any other instance where they are broken…especially in this obnoxious a manner.
I know
I commend them for it. Like I say, fine them and JB.
Just wish they had this zeal all the time. Cycling would be better for it.
My one worry...
…is that to the extent that this entire stunt may well have been LA and JB’s last-gasp attempt to remind everyone what the ‘correct’ narrative is supposed to be, the UCI is playing into their hands by perpetuating it.
That said, lines were crossed.
the correct narrative must be that
lance and jb were using cancer as an excuse to break the rules of cycling
Well did they want to break the rules for the sake of just breaking the rules?
I doubt it. They wanted to spread a message that is tied in with the persona of Lance. And they may have realized that their effort would cause the drama that would give the attention to the cause. They won, they stole the show like always, i hope never again though.
"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"
i meant their narrative hijacking failed
it is not cancer that gets the attention but their rule-breaking
besides, the final day of the TdF belongs to the cyclists (and France), and it isn’t right that the attention should be shifted even to cancer survivors and victims. Lance gets enough media time to stress that point. RS were being debbie downers.
They prove once again
that they feel they are above the sport. I think they lost their minds years ago, they speak and do as they please, anyone who speaks against them is struck down because, at the end of the day, either you’re with Lance, or you hate what he stands for (and nothing could be further from the truth in reality).They use his mythical persona to their advantage constantly, and I’m glad the UCI isn’t accepting their bs nowadays.
"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"
what always seems to be forgotten...
amongst all the “UCI must love cancer” comments (from those who are serious about saying so), is that although it is noble to promote awareness about cancer/help cancer survivors/provide hope/raise money for cancer research (and I don’t dispute that Lance/the team/Livestrong have done a lot of good) – it is also true that Nike also makes a lot of money selling Livestrong clothing, so yesterday’s stunt was pretty cheap ambush advertising for the Livestrong/Nike brand.
You are correct.
We addressed some of this in the comments yesterday. This is an old Ad trick for Lance in particular and US associated companies at the TdF (Trek, Nike, Cannondale, USPS, Disco, etc…). It is a move I would have expected from Rock Racing and I guess that is just the point.
Is it possible
that this is exactly what Radioshack wanted?
If they had just showed up in pre-approved jerseys there would probably be small discussions about the jerseys, they would have been mentioned a bit by tv commentators, etc. By doing it “illegally” they create a huge show and thus a lot more people notice the whole “THERE ARE 28 MILLION PEOPLE LIVING WITH CANCER”.
by CollegiateCyclingRocks on Jul 26, 2010 2:22 PM EDT reply actions
Maybe
But the “outlaw” approach does not seem to resonate well with the fight against cancer. Stated differently- Outlaw marketing is a (virtual) cancer on the UCI/TdF brand.
RadioShack was originally a company sell hardware from
Texas Instruments. Maybe it’s just the way they roll in Tx.
Oh for pity sake
Lighten up people!
Anybody remember Saeco riding a stage of the TdF wearing “Legalize my Cannondale” prison strip kit? (2003) (Not to mention Cippolini’s outlandish kit.) US Postal did it as well when they wore the last stage of the 2003 TdF in “old time” kit. Both times the teams were given a fine and a slap on the wrist. BFD. Why should they think this would be any different?
This is akin to throwing Renshaw out of the tour for something that’s been going on for a long time. It’s like…your parents suddenly changing their reaction to the kids behavior.
Nothing is impossible when you work for the circus.
See my point above.
It IS an old trick and no one would have gotten offended if LA and RS had cleared it well in advance. I mean, they had the jerseys themselves printed up in plenty of time…
How do you know the other jersey changes were cleared beforehand?
Just asking.
Nothing is impossible when you work for the circus.
well i don't
but I think the level of scrutiny went up with the QS/Flanders affair, though I’m not familiar with the details.
The prison outfits were announced ahead of time
Saeco were told they would be fined and they chose to take the fine just as they had with Cipo’s loony kits. QS did the same in RvV last year and were told that they would not only get fined but DQed so they wore their standard kit. RS knew this was a risk so they went the tricky way. They should have just fined the hell out of them and moved on.
That would have defeated the whole purpose of the grandstanding
They got a lot more publicity out of being banned then they would have by riding in the kit.
After all, Lance had his team wear special jerseys in 2003 and again in 2005 (thanks to Cyclingtipsblog for pointing this out)
Lance, yet again, gave the UCI a choice, to accept him thumbing his nose at the rules or to enforce the rules at the cost of appearing to love cancer. It was a very well executing media relation action.
Vlaanderens Mooiste
Sure, it expanded the market reach of the act
But it seems to me, that it did so at the expense of the legitimacy of what RS/LA say they are doing for the fight against cancer.
Color me cynical
but I doubt there ever was any legitimacy to that claim. The cancer cause is just a beard. I prefer an honest media whore like Cippolini and his antics to the chalk-bot jersey gate shenanigans masked as altruism.
Vlaanderens Mooiste
I think that.
You think that. A sizeable portion of PdC posters think that.
Yet we are in a teeeny tiiiiny minority of the public as a whole. Which is what matters to LA and crew.
True
and to be honest, I can’t deny that the cancer cause does a tremendous amount of good. You can’t quantify hope, but Livestrong!™ has done a tremendous amount of good for people.
How have Johan and Lance harmed me by their doping and media whoring? They’ve made it impossible for me to be a naive sporting idealist. How has Livestrong!™ made the world a better place? They have raised money and more importantly, given millions with cancer or who love people with cancer hope. My naive idealism is a small sacrifice, in the end.
So, while I’m nostalgic for my naive idealsim, in the end, I think I’ll applaud the Johan/Armstrong cartel and their racket. They have done enough to balance the scales in their favor.
Vlaanderens Mooiste
he's raised
250 million or so? I mean, those are presidential campaign figures.
"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 26, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
yes it's huge and fair point
I get it. And have Livestrong gear, yellow bracelets, miss family members, etc.
But does that really give one a free pass to be an ….
moo
I think so
at least it makes me feel like the arsehole when I get on a roll criticizing them.
Your mileage may vary, but in the back of my head, when I build up steam criticing Lance and Johan and listing off all of their various character flaws, I hear The Dude’s voice in the back of my head:
You’re not wrong, Koppenberg. You’re just an asshole.
Vlaanderens Mooiste
Personally
I find it easy to block out. He’s using the Tour, lots of people use him, it all feels so meaningless to me. Fun to make jokes about though.
"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 26, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
naive idealism?
or hope for a world that isn’t entirely taken over by advertising in every sphere and medium, often in the guise of “making the world a better place”? personally, it’s not only Livestrong that bothers me in the sense that it’s Nike making a lot of money on clothing while giving a small portion of it to cancer causes, but then there’s all the pink stuff for breast cancer, red for HIV/AIDS, etc…
don't get me wrong
not begrudging the money for good causes, just wish all the big corporations were a lot more upfront about their goals.
excellent point guidemd. I don't guy those products for that exact reason.
The pink and red and livestrong stuff is a way for people to buy it and walk around showing others how “good” they are for caring about these causes. Blech. Just donate the money to a specific charity.
but I also have not shopped at WalMart for 8 years for
moral reasons.
by ZoeRochelle on Jul 26, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
shoot, I avoid Walmart
because
a) I once stumbled across the print-outs of their inventory reports with profit margins figured (some mgr forgot to shred before throwing in recycling).
the shopping experience is depressingand c). the parking lot of the Abilene Walmart is deadly.
Wal Mart
I get a few things there. They employ a lot of people in our area (we have a distribution center here).
What kind of profit margins do they have R Mc?
Nothing is impossible when you work for the circus.
It's been a few years . . .
but it’s strange: on quite a few items (the specials, etc.) they lose money.
But stuff like generic drugs and clothes . . . . oy gewalt.
d) peopleofwalmart.com
sorry
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
I'm on the fence
I’m looking for an exercise & calorie tracking suite that works w/ my android phone. At first, I wrote off Livestrong! out of hand, now I’m wondering, if it does what I want better than other products, is standing on principle just dumb?
Vlaanderens Mooiste
I'm waiting for them to find out
that the plasticizers or the rubber hardeners or the colorants in those bracelets are somehow carcinogenic, and that the dregs are being dumped in the water supply of some poor community. I mean, I figure the odds are about even that it’s so…
Not so say I wish it on anyone, of course. But I’ll enjoy the irony, if it’s so.
I’ve got nothing against random acts of symbolism. Nor against purchase of symbolic tchotchkes…but not if there’s some sort of associated, counterproductive effect.
mine still has a prominent place on my dresser
so I can laugh at it every day.
"Woof, woof, woof! That's my other dog imitation."
Everything comes with a prize though
If it hadn’t been for Bethie’s wristbands I wouldn’t have been around here.
"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 26, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
look, a little bruschi fan
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
:)
indeed
"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 26, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
or influencing others to also do something about it.....
"Last time I had a broken chain nobody waited for me. I had to chase all the freaking way to the finish. It is race!!" Alexandre Perez
This is what bothers me...
…the corporate whitewash aspect of it all. Nike hasn’t met a sweatshop it doesn’t love, and it’ll gladly employ them producing livestrong gear. The moral imperative to support it doesn’t seem so compelling to me the more it becomes imbricated in all that stuff.
playing the cancer card
not that this gives my opinion any more weight, but I was diagnosed almost ten years ago…actually had a third surgery in May, but all is well. only bring it up here because it definitely colors my opinion of him—probably makes it difficult to be unbiased. every time I hear him say something like he came back just to raise awareness, I throw up a little in my mouth.
he clearly came back last year to compete. there’s nothing wrong with that—he should have said so. and there’s certainly nothing wrong with raising awareness at the same time…but his claim that philanthropy was the underlying motivation struck me as grossly exploitative. while I can see how his story inspires many people, he lost me last year.
Glad to know you came through it all with all faculties intact ; )
Seriously, I know I can’t be sure how I’d respond if I were diagnosed tomorrow. I’ve had a couple of minor scares, and too many family members and friends, but the moment of confirmed diagnosis is a thing unto itself.
Nevertheless, I’d like to think my attitude toward LA is one small part of my world view that would not rotate 180 degrees.
I think it’s great that he highlights not just surviving but kicking ass after cancer. I really do love that aspect. And maybe you have to be brash to the point of borderline asshole to be the poster child for that attitude. But beyond that? There’s a lot of double-speak that would make me queasy regardless of what was being publicized, and regardless of who was being patronized.
Perhaps the UCI is more accepting when you win the TDF
and want to celebrate in a particular way. When you don’t, and are drawing away attention from the victors, they are probably more likely to draw the line.
Jens Voigt doesn’t know where you live, but he knows exactly where you will die.
Would be wise
they create the ceremonial stage so they could accept the winners being honored during the stage. Of course they have accepted that but good to see they won’t allow the attention to be drawn away from them by antics like these.
"Until you shoot me off my bike I'll keep looking for a contract" - Jens!
Quitter's People United member # 42
I was waiting for somebody to bring these points up as I read through the thread
I think you are on time when you say “BFD”. Lance and Bruyneel got the exposure they were after, the UCI got to put their foot down in front of the world, and in the process, a cancer foundation (albeit a French one) gets the money from the fines. Everybody wins. I do wonder though how much the fines totaled when all is said and done.
Whenever you hear the word "honor"
be prepared to eat a big bullshit sandwich.
by Koppenberg34 on Jul 27, 2010 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions
think that was meant as "albeit not Livestrong" rather than anything else... :)
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"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 26, 2010 2:36 PM EDT reply actions
Hey!
Where is Billyfelt anyway?
"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 26, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I am amazed this thread already has 72 comments, so let me add one more
who fucking cares?
I’m moving on to more important topics like how to convince the PdC members that removing all summit finishes from the TdF is a great idea.
"Thanks again, Floyd Landis, Yellow Jersey Wearer: Nuisance Category"
Sammy Sanchez
Five time Tour winner…
"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 26, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
he doesn't mind the big hills to climb... as long as the race doesn't finish there.
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
You people have long memories
What’s the point of being an Internet Forum Person if people are going to actually hold me responsible for what I say! You’re taking all of the fun out of the Internets!
"Thanks again, Floyd Landis, Yellow Jersey Wearer: Nuisance Category"
But how will Andy ever win without one?
"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"
If the penalty is merely a fine, then good.
RS broke the rules, they knew they broke the rules and they should pay the consequences.
What really stinks about this to me is the bad blood it’s generated with the ASO. I thought RS had a two year deal and I assume a lot of the riders will be with the team next year even if Lance isn’t. riding the big races Without Lance, it’s dubious RS gets an invite, and pissing off the race organizers can’t help (particularly if the organization is in charge of a lot of big races). Jani, Kloedi and others are the team are likely to be the one who suffer the consequences, particularly the unofficial consequences from the ASO
This action is
but I have to think the ASO wasn’t thrilled with Lance upstaging things with this publicity trick.
Win-win-win: publicity for Livestrong & co, easy victory fro the UCI, money for cancer research
As the action of Team RadioShack was inspired by the desire to raise public awareness of the breadth of the global fight against cancer, the UCI has decided that any fines levied as a result of this matter would be donated to the Ligue suisse contre le cancer.
Ceci n'est pas une signature.
Another reason that the RS/LA grandstanding was just plain wrong.
A lot of team sponsors count on the TV exposure they get at the Tour and not much else in return for there investment in cycling. Everybody needs to get a piece of the TV time pie. With a diminished share of TV exposure there becomes less reason for companies to invest in cycling when they have to worry about being overshadowed by certain individuals/groups grandstanding and sucking up TV exposure.
Woof
they also made ITV4 miss the podium
(in favour of a 25 year old repeat of Minder, though I suppose Radioshack can’t be held entirely responsible for that)
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
He actually wrote and starred in half a dozen episodes of the first season
True fact.
"I once took down a bear with a single punch." - Andy Schleck, Bear Wrassler
by omnevelnihil on Jul 27, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Great
I come to the Cafe for some post-Tour chatter to find this shit the hot topic and on the front page. Depressing.
"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton
you're quite right
If only they had refrained from putting the jerseys back on once they had been told not to. Should have saved them for the lap of honour. ;-)
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
(you have to click through
to the pictures on that. I don’t think the Internet can really do it justice . . .)
Just a question from someone not in the US
Is Livestrong a good thing? I don’t get exposure to what they do, I have read rumours of them being in reality “for profit”, and I don’t trust the guy at their head, so I am interested in knowing whether they are genuinely a good thing or they are a marketing ploy?
Warning... not everything I say should be taken entirely seriously
in the early 1900s the cancer rate
was 1 in 33, it’s now 1 in 2 and cancer has become a $500 billion industry.
…so you could say that it’s a marketing ploy…
live to ride, ride to live
you are an idiot
The cancer rates are up because the average population is getting older, and cancer diagnosis has gotten better. CT/PET scanners didn’t exist in 1900 you retard (I will call out anyone else on this, because I’m freaking pissed) I’m sure the private medical industry is making no effort to find a cure but where I am being treated for bile duct cancer at UCSF, one of the top public institutions in the country, Cancer research FOR A CURE is paradigm. UCSF tries to prescribe generic’s whenever possible, and will assist anyone in need no matter what. I know homeless people being treated there. This goes for anyone else, if you don’t know that facts STFU!
Your headline
is a bannable offense. If you can’t make your points without this kind of tone, then you shouldn’t be here. If someone says something you think is nonsense, you have the option of ignoring them too. But I won’t tolerate name-calling.
"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 26, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Chris, I've noticed that one effect of chemo brain can be
a loss of ability to detect jokes / sarcasm (yes, “chemo brain” is real). Another is a shorter fuse than normal. ThomasN has posted some reasonable stuff in the past, so I hope he won’t get banned for this.
ThomasN, your facts are good, but your logic has some gaps. UCSF could treat 5 or 500 homeless people, and there would still be a lot of money involved in cancer treatments. I can assure you that most of the basic research costs are borne by you, the taxpayer, via grants from NCI, NIH, NSF, etc. Even some of the clinical trials get non-corporate funding. The corporation does the marketing, a modicum of the testing, and a lot of reaping the benefit (including tax breaks, I believe, for supplying some of the drugs for free, for those who can’t pay).
And, oh, your irony / sarcasm sensor seems to have a few glitches. I think we all know that when people die in their 40’s and 50’s of infectious diseases and starvation, the rate of diagnosable cancer is low, as are deaths from cancer.
Hi Chris, somehow I think the Moors may be at fault here. ( kidding !! )
I think you are absolutely right that there is no place for name calling and we should all treat each other with respect ( apologies to anyone I have POed ) but of the last 1000 semi aggressive posts doesn’t Thomas’s seem kinda mild … and semi appropriate from his position.
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mild?
Oh dear, what have I missed? Anyway, I don’t promise total enforcement but I do plan to pipe up now and again. And this is clearly too much. I only really ban spammers and people who practically beg me.
"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 27, 2010 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't understand your love of generics
Many people apparently like you love to hate pharma and love generics. Well, generics can’t exist without pharma spending billions to research, test, license drugs. Then a generic company simply analyzes the chemicals and copies it nearly for free. Get it? Generic companies cannot replace pharma companies because they don’t do anything original. Get your facts straight before complaining.
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+1
"Thanks again, Floyd Landis, Yellow Jersey Wearer: Nuisance Category"
by PopUp Rolen on Jul 27, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
This
is a surprising digression. No more odd than geology, I suppose.
"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 27, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
why do you hate generic rocks, Chris?
Don’t you know they couldn’t exist without Quartz, Scoria, and Basalt?
I'm not sure that its an either/or.
Good is being done, I don’t think that can be denied. As for the rest, I don’t think the verdict is out. My personal view is that both are probably going on. People are getting help and hope in their fight against cancer and the people behind the scenes all live in very nice houses.
Vlaanderens Mooiste
Like most charities
Rightly or wrongly
Any organization with that kind of cashflow needs to pay people a lot of money to manage it properly.
And the LAF is a NPO according to law isn’t it?
A neutral response
look at some of the “charity rating” site.
Livestrong do an OK job. Rating things like how little money goes to overhead versus supporting the charity. The CEO is overpaid in my opinion but ….
And there is no doubt to millions (mainly non hardcore cycling fans) that Livestrong is an inspirational and useful site/organization.
moo
I think also how you access treatment & advice in an insurance-based system is very different from say in the NHS.
Even so, when my mum had cancer she still got a lot of support from not for profit organisations like Cancer Backup. Having said that, their message always seemed (to me) slightly more nuanced than what I’ve seen of Livestrong’s. But I don’t doubt a lot of what they do helps a lot of people.
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
Without a doubt good
I drink from the haterade jug when it comes to Lance and riding his bike, but undoubtedly Livestrong is good. All charities probably don’t give as much as they should, but the reason why cancer rates are going down is money. Money funds scientists and pharma to develop new drugs, which are helping rid people of the disease or making their life better or longer with the disease. Whether that money comes from Livestrong or another charity, it’s all good.
Also, Livestrong more than anything provides hope for tons of people. Regardless of what you think of the man, he is a huge inspiration to a ton of kids and adults that have cancer, and have lost hope.
I’m not a fan of what he does on the bike or the myth of LA the bike rider, but I stand up and applaud what he does in the field of cancer research. It’s never as much or as perfect as we all hope, but it is something that is making a positive difference.
"Thanks again, Floyd Landis, Yellow Jersey Wearer: Nuisance Category"
does Livestrong actually fund cancer research?
I thought it was support, treatment advice etc.
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
Yes, in some cases..
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
I find it totally weird
that they can have Livestrong.org (charity) and Livestrong.com (for profit) and anything that promotes one automatically promotes the other. But that could be because of the UK culture of not doing anything like that…. The blurred boundaries blow my mind, I can’t get my head around why it’s ok
by Sarah Connolly on Jul 26, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Technically, it's not.
I mean, it’s not supposed to work that way in the U.S., either, but I don’t think there’s any specific law that says they can’t do it. The only legal problem that could arise is if there is money flowing between the two organizations – ie, if they are not kept strictly separate. A non-profit and a for-profit org have different tax requirements, obvy.
And Members of Congress would never ever evar
promote charities that just pay for nice parties and ferrying them around in style. Ever.
All discussion of
Global Warming will be halted until the winter.
(And, funny enough, that’s actually true)
But
It means that anything promoting the brand is equally promoting the business and the charity? As someone who worked for years for charities, that just makes my head hurt
by Sarah Connolly on Jul 26, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh dear I'm slow today, I just now caught the irony of this whole kerfuffle
“We, the UCI, in order to punish Radio Shack for inappropriately and against our rules bringing attention to a worthy cause, will fine team Radio Shack, and then we, the UCI, in order to assuage ourselves from guilt for fining team Radio Shack for promoting a worthy cause against our rules, will donate the fine we receive from them to said worthy cause.”
Take that as a lesson, Radio Shack Team! And we will taunt you a second time if you do it again!
Nothing is impossible when you work for the circus.
Some judgement please
I am afraid I agree with Bruyneel, there is more to being a commissioner than just reading the rule book. I mean, show a little judgment. Its one thing to write the rule so that, for instance, someone rides in a jersey with an offensive picture or statement knowing they will just get a Cippo type fine.
Its another thing to wear a 28 jersey where the fine is exactly the right response. Especially a fine donated to charity.
Oh god, I hope Ed K doesn't read this comment
He seems to hate the idea of bending or breaking rules.
"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton
I don't like the idea of people complaining for being dinged...
…when they bent the rules farther than the people who enforce them are willing to overlook.
monsieur grandiose
lance must think that he is more important than the tour. it’s a bike race, not an ad campaign for livestrong. it was a pretty pompous move on his part, and, plain and simple, he broke the rules. the sooner he keeps curling those 12 ouncers the better. he has had his time in the limelight, maybe too long. he should have left his ego checked on the podium where he left it in 2005. a bien tot, lance!
Soak it in everyone
This could be our last Lance argument ever…
"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 26, 2010 5:50 PM EDT reply actions
Because Lance doesn't have any off the bike issues or anything
"Until you shoot me off my bike I'll keep looking for a contract" - Jens!
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don't we wish
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
This just in...
Just got an update over the twit from a local bike shop. Special Edition jerseys will be available in 3 weeks ;)
hopefully
nothing anti-french ;)
I actually like the black design so much more than the red.
It must be said ….. if one sees a livestrong dressed cyclist on a European climb they are always American (but usually friendly and cheerful).
moo
Not for profit, my arse
The jerseys look (to my untutored eye) like a US football jersey-type design. I think they’re ugly (contra Seahorse) but it’s plain that they are designed with a US market in mind.
It seems, given the experience of 2003 and 2005, Quickstep’s Flanders experience and the use of normal jerseys to sign in, that this was a deliberate act, knowing full well what the response would be. Bruyneel’s mouth-frothing outrage is disingenuous. He knew precisely what would happen; that’s why they did it.
It’s a marketing ploy, and unlike Cannondale’s old tricks, it wraps the marketing up in a sanctimonius how-dare-you-question-me-you-cancer-lover bullshit that I find patronising.
Mark it zero.
We may disagree about the kit, but not the rest of what you say :)
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
I do honestly believe
that the vast majority of Lance fans wearing Livestrong gear …. don’t even know this debate exists. (not that they have a side …. but they don’t know the debate exists).
moo
And they are lining up to get the latest, coolest gear from Lance Inc.
I’m counting the days until I see one on the roads around here.
Actually more likely to see one in size XXL behind the wheel of an SUV, but that’s a different story….
"Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" - Fausto Coppi
I'm a bit larger than Clydesdale sized myself
and one of the mitigating factors balancing the scales in Armstrong’s favor is the way his Livestrong cartel helps folks, like me, who have let themselves go get back in shape.
I don’t want to re-ignite the fitties vs. fatties arguments, but providing people with tools, information, and a network of support to move from being XXL behind the wheel of an SUV to sustainable sized is a good thing. I think its one of the best things that Armstrong has done with his fame.
Vlaanderens Mooiste
yah
let’s not go fitties vs fatties. And Lance is a good ambassador for riding your bike. I thought he was great in the Kornheiser Kerfluffle. And when people talk about him running for president, I imagine voting for him, as long as he’s fit for the job and right on the positions for me. He may be the product of an ugly era and not my favorite personality, but at heart he’s definitely a cyclist and an advocate for cycling.
"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 26, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
It's really not cool to make those kind of comments.
Great for you if you’re in shape.
"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton
Welll....
if it’s about being large, it’s rude. If it’s about being large, and wanting to take up even more space (and that’s what the SUV part of the comment says to me), it’s about a problematic attitude towards consumption and (literally) throwing one’s weight around.
I’m guessing muk would be glad to cheer to see one on someone of any size ON A BICYCLE.
Oops
Sorry if I opened up a fatties Vs fitties discussion, definitely not my intention.
For the record I have drifted between both those positions (and back again, and again) over the years and feel sufficiently experienced to argue from either extreme.
My point was more cycling related v’s non-cycling and JFS-PGH hit the nail on the head. I actually scared another cyclist here recently merely by riding up beside them, so unusual is it to come across someone else out riding their bike! (JFS_PGH I believe we live in the same city, but don’t think it was you).
Hell I’d cheer another cyclist even if they were wearing an old Mapei Jersey
Truly the ugliest jersey ever?
My cycling commute sees me tackle an armada of SUVs and Giant Pick up Trucks, most probably travelling less than 10-15 miles each way, almost all of them single occupant and almost all of them carrying folks who would be far better off if they were to leave their gas guzzler in the garage and try a bicycle instead. Or, failing that just a simple little car, something that is far more suited to the journey at hand.
I guess it might be time to shift my commute back to the one that gets me on to more back roads. Takes longer but is less stressful…
"Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" - Fausto Coppi
Ugliest?
Mr Van P weeps softly at this statement…
"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 27, 2010 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Give me a ping, Vasily.
One ping only please.
Sorry
Great deeds were executed from underneath this jersey, that’s for sure, but when seen it all its glory, full kit, on a team edition bike, it is almost enough to make me dry wretch.
Used to ride in a large group ride that had a regular who had the complete kit, and I mean down to the socks, gloves and bar tape. Never could understand what he was thinking, but could always find him in the crowd…
"Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" - Fausto Coppi
chapeau to him
Non-cyclists laugh at us because we wear brightly coloured spandex covered with sponsors’ names. Have we any right to do other than respect someone who takes the cyclists’ fashion creed to its logical conclusion, with such an eye-watering kaleidoscope of quite hideous beauty?
I always think that ALL sports kit looks pretty silly if you ignore context and the fact we are used to it...
Nylon and baggy shorts anyone?
Skin tight jerseys on prop forwards?
Jodpurs?
Swimsuits?
Cycling kit is no more or less daft – it’s just a bit rarer… :)
Warning... not everything I say should be taken entirely seriously
Skin tight jerseys on prop forwards
looks stupid, even in context. Lycra does not belong in a rugby jersey.
I take your point, though.
What about the prop forward type guys who ride bikes?
Aesthetically, it doesn’t belong on them either.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
It's not just the aesthetics I was concerned with, in that case
It’s also a question of practicality. Jerseys get treated appallingly: from being yanked hither and thither in scrums, rucks and mauls to the staircase job from the opposing forward pack. I am sceptical about the durability of a polyester and spandex jersey in those conditions, over the course of a season or more.
But I happen to think spandex rugby jerseys look stupid on Dan Carter and Brian O’Driscoll, as well as on Matt Dunning. Call me old-fashioned.
I'm right there with you, although when Lote wore one, I was most appreciative.
Dunning and all British props should stay well clear..
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
funny how the lycra doesn't seem to feature much in replica rugby shirts... ;-)
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
please, I'm a figure skating fan
cycling may have some questionable kits, but it hasn’t begun to see reallly horrible and offensive outfits yet
Did all of them pile out of a Yugo?
"To a New Yorker like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Tigers."
wow
these guys are underpaid.
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by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 27, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
i think it's so ugly that it actually becomes beautiful again...
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by JustJoshinYa on Jul 27, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
It's still better than Footon's kit too..
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
um, yeah...as if that was a debate.
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by JustJoshinYa on Jul 27, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Aw...The Foot is really growing on me
I have to respectfully disagree.
"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"
Yes
Just like New York.
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by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 27, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry for the misunderstanding
"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton
Remember, 1 kid 1 SUV, 1 triple whipped cream latte.
They just don’t know why the South Beach diet isn’t working.
Little Billy in the back stuffing his face with McDs.
debating stuff like this is a dirty job
but someone’s got to do it. they need us on that wall.
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
They can't handle the truth
Actually, neither can I.
"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 26, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually like this version of the jersey better then the red...
is it just me?
Totally stupid issue – but total PR stunt (my opinion). JB was a dumb-ass to say what he said…should have just paid fines and gone away. He’s smart enough to know what was coming – they’ve asked for different unis before (so why wouldn’t they need to do it this time). Oh well, stupid stupid stupid – the Tour really must be over…
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Y'know what really ticks me off about these jerseys?
Wait . . . you don’t care? Well, fine . . .
But apart from everything else: two things:
1. The world champ bands on Armstrong’s jersey: Aside from Armstrong’s on-again.off-again relationship with wearing those bands, that detail just screams “we had this planned out for a LONG time.”
2. The faux military decorations over the heart. wrong in any language or culture to assume military honors.
Seahorse is buying the Kloden one and she knows it :)
"Until you shoot me off my bike I'll keep looking for a contract" - Jens!
Quitter's People United member # 42
If they sold rider-specific versions..
then it might be cool.
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the Flag and carrying the Cross."
--Sinclair Lewis
Seb Rosseler!
"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 27, 2010 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think it's fair that you know me that well... :(
I’ve never considered buying a team jesey, but I DO like this one…. so shallow…
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Have you guys ever noticed
, sometimes, a sprinter seems to accidently veer off his line and block an opponent so that he or his captain can win. Sometimes that causes a massive crash, broken bones, and the end to the entire year for a few fellow cyclist.
Jersey’s seem kinda trivial and inconsequential, to me. Its basically a parking ticket in comparison. …. unless you’re Lance and his team. Then its huge !
All other motives aside, Livestrong and its fight against cancer got some more air time …. what a terrible crime.
The Tour de France, So Crashy ! - gav
Didn't they show Voeckler giving his French champion jersey to some other rider to wear?
Why isn’t that a violation?
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because they were mucking about waiting for Radioshack to change
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
yeah
I never did see (or notice) Voeckler again to see if they actually rode out the day that way.
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no. they swapped back to their regular jerseys.
after finally actually watching stage 20, i have two observations:
1. la/jb are huge effing pricks
2. france 2/3/4 should have NOT focused their cameras on these prima donnas
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
I think the UCI's decision to donate the fine money was a classy move
that exonerated them from further “pro-cancer” accusations and mutterings. Basically LA and JB put them over a barrel by not following the rules initially. They made the corrections on the roadside, delaying the race, blah, blah, blah (like anybody was in a hurry to do anything on the final day anyway) and moved on. All was balanced again until RS broke protocol again by wearing them on the stage. I’m not arguing that the rule to not wear them at the presentation wasn’t ridiculous, because it IS stupid, but you can’t help the UCI from feeling a bit “punked” by RS. They had to take some action, but the problem was that they had this whole “cancer” thing to work around. I feel that they accomplished this to perfection by donating the money, not to Livestrong, but to Ligue suisse contre le cancer (which sounds to me like some kind of non-livestrong cancer fighting organization based in Switzerland, home of the UCI).
Whenever you hear the word "honor"
be prepared to eat a big bullshit sandwich.
so, what exactly is the rule regarding going past the televised time?
Team RadioShack’s incorrect behaviour led to a 20-minute delay to the start of the final stage, which could have disrupted the televised coverage of the race, placing the Commissaires under the obligation to impose a fine on each rider and the team managers.
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
heidi game retread?
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
What are the chances RS doesn't get an invite from ASO to the Tour next year?
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Kloden is jinxed, or he is the jinx...
RS’s evolution will be interesting..
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
pro tour team, so I think they are guaranteed (is that still true?)
But, to really cause trouble, does RS have enough to justify a pro tour licence next year?
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isn't that for pro-contis?
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
no. all teams.
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
so why bother coughing up for a pro-tour licence then?
(I’m sure we’ve been through all this before, but I really can’t remember)
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
or Footon?? or (whisper it) Sky??
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
i think that expires after this year
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
Wait, I heard Radioshack was going out of business...
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by JustJoshinYa on Jul 27, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
NO EFFING WAY
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
in reality
it seems to me very likely he’ll end up going to Saxo or whatever they’ll be called next year. I see on another thread there may (or may not) be rumors in that direction. But, it does make a lot of sense if the Schlecks do move. Saxo will need a GC man.
Plus, Saxo rides Specialized. I also wonder who their secret second main sponsor is. I wonder if Specialized themselves will move up from the bike only to the front of the jersey as one of the primary sponsors.
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the resigning with astana seems to have fallen through
see fanpost.
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