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San Seb: Who Might Win? Txirla's Last Letters

San_mediumA Guide to understanding this race.

168 riders will take the start of San Seb on Saturday, but who do you pick for the win? Who might make the final selection? Ah; no easy answer there. Here's a few factoids that might help narrow the field:

- The winner will probably have raced the Tour. Seems obvious but there are a group of pretty good riders every year who skip the Tour for one reason or another and San Seb marks their second race back as they build their form most likely for the Vuelta. No rider who figures prominently uses San Seb as their first race back from vacation as the race is too hard for that. But the non-Tour races include Brixia, Wallonie, and a single day smaller Spanish race, the Ordizia.  There has ben a non-Tour rider who has won and placed in San Seb: Leo Bertagnolli in 07 won it, and Alexander Kolobnev in 08 placed 2nd, but these non-Tour guys are overwhelmed by the Tour riders in the final selection and the top step of the podium. 

- The race this year, with it's two climbs of the Jaizkibel (the most scenic climb in all of cycling)  and Arkale, has been modified so that the two passes over these hills will determine the final selection even more so than in the past. Look at the profile again:

San_sebastian_mediumIn the past, there were always a couple of tougher climbs early on that broke the peloton apart so that the Jaizkibel would see only about 40-60 riders still contending when it was reached. This year though, most of the peloton will reach the Jaizkibel the first time so the crowds there will see in the first pass the winnowing of the field and the second pass only a select few. With the weather projected to be in the low 70'sF/23C and partly cloudy, and its views of the San Seb harbor below, its hard to imagine a better spot to watch a race all year. 

But what does this mean for the final selection? It will skew it more than ever towards climby guys.  Let's look more closely at the climbs:

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First, the Jaizkibel, reached first after about 145 km, then the second time after 185 km:

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Those last three kilometers of 8, 7.4, and 6.7% will rip the legs off most of the riders, especially the second time after 190 km. 

 

 

 

I can't find a profile of the Arkale. Its purpose is clear though: to confirm the selection made on the Jaizkibel. It is supposed to give those who broke away atop Jaizkibel, even by a few seconds, a chance to make it down to the finish without being caught. At least that's what I keep reading. Last year though proved that false as Barredo caught the leaders on the Arkale and-if you look closely at the race profile-that teeny little bump right before the end was what allowed Barredo and Kreuziger to escape (separately) the final foursome which also included Pozzato and Lulu.  

So what am I trying to say here? Like all the major one-day Classics, this race is long (234 km this year) and hard. The climbs on it may seem like piffle compared to the Tourmalet, but they rip the legs of the riders as surely as any legendary Grand Tour climb and provide a subtle and really fast denouement, again like the climbs of LBL or Flanders.  With the climbs backloaded this year its quite possible that we might see a solo winner. Imagine Lulu TTing the finish alone...

So are we any clearer on who might win? No?  Okay:

- Its less likely that this year sees a sprinter type who can climb like Pozzato possibly win. 

- We also know the winner and the main contenders will have just raced the Tour. 

- Plus we know that most of the peloton will hit the Jaizkibel together but probably that climb will shatter the peloton so that dozens will probably give up the race completely right there and coast into San Sebastian. It happens every year: dozens and up to half of the field abandon the race at some point. I guess they are just too worn out by the Tour so that if they see they are dropping behind, they mutter "screw it," and give up.

-So can we zero in further on who might win out of the Tour guys? Difficult but possible. Its difficult because until 07 this race was not the first big race after the Tour. That honor went to Vattenfalls (HEW) Cyclassics and San Seb was two weeks after the Romp on the Champ.  So is there any pattern to the last three races that can help us?

By looking at the three years' results, one sees (and that might be obvious from the Jaizkibel profile above) that the final climbs more wear down the riders than produce a rigorous selection of the best climbers on the day. A guy like Barredo (last year's winner) can compete with J-Rod and Kolobnev with Menchov: everybody can climb but its more a question on who has the stamina on the day. 

So look at the Tour top 70 and pick your rider. Make sure that since the climbs happen at the end that they can climb well. It helps if they have a kick at the end too. Oh and being a Spaniard is very helpful but not a crucial factor. 

My pick? Lulu. Or Garate. Maybe Hesjedal.

Txirla: 1352-2010 R.I.P.

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Come on Ryder!

Hopefully he can put an exclamation mark on the best July of his career and take the W. But did the effort of riding for GC and pressures that come with it take to much out of his legs?

by ykgday on Jul 29, 2010 11:30 PM EDT reply actions  

txirla, i'll miss you....

this is easier than rbjhan i hope....

by JessicaH on Jul 29, 2010 11:38 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

LuLu!

or Barredo if he can preserve his form.

by ELVISGOAT on Jul 29, 2010 11:56 PM EDT reply actions  

This FANatical CANadian is picking a Ryder to win.

He said he was stronger every day during the tour and I expect he will hold that great form for the race. A solid 5th last year in a very impressive group, 7 seconds back.
If a Victoria lad doesn’t know how to ride for the all the clams, no one does.

Git ’er done boy!

Avatar in honour of #13, Fabian "I'm not superstitious" Cancellara

by fancan on Jul 29, 2010 11:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Very Impressed by Ryder

and with 33:1 at the betting office I’m very tempted…

But as a suporter of the Orange Team, I have to go with SamSan or Igor Anton. More wishes than anything.

by Zeb on Jul 30, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Txirla

loyal to the race, right to the end. I’m pretty sure he yelled "gora! gora! gora! as he dove into the saucepan.

"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 30, 2010 12:03 AM EDT reply actions  

I tried to stop him

I really did.

"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 30, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

murderer!

this is easier than rbjhan i hope....

by JessicaH on Jul 30, 2010 1:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

You can find a profile for the Arkale(and every climb)

here.
(click on the cat 2 logo above the climb).
J-Rod has this in the bag, you can all write that down and cash it in.

"Until you shoot me off my bike I'll keep looking for a contract" - Jens!
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by Phil H. on Jul 30, 2010 12:04 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I'm with Phil on this one

The check is already made out to J-Rod.

"Waar is die Idioot?" R. McEwen to F Dostoyevsky-Post Stage 6 2010

by frans verbiage on Jul 30, 2010 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

Kolobnev 2nd, Nibali 3rd

Cazzo, it's going to be a bloodbath! The Mortirolo is a horror, absolutely interminable. -- Michele Scarponi

by tgartner on Jul 30, 2010 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh and

this is an extremely hard race to predict. Hm… a little too long and climby for Lars. I’ll go with Gilbert.

"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 30, 2010 12:05 AM EDT reply actions  

There's that lack of racing thingy

Txirla didn’t find any rider for years back who rode San Seb as their first race in a month or more who was anywhere close to the final selection. Gilbert last ride the Nats RR on June 27th. If he wins it will be breaking a huge precedent.

by ursula on Jul 30, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

he's the dog for the job

"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 30, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

On the plus side

He’s not on your VDS team. Or Jens’. There’s hope then.

by ursula on Jul 30, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

OK fine

Vino FTW

"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 30, 2010 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

No no

I was just looking at Phil’s year last year and what he’s done this year. The layoff is a problem but he’s practically an automatic top 10 at the worst in any one day race he enters now. I won’t pick him for the win but damned if he won’t be around the final selection.

by ursula on Jul 30, 2010 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

heh

Monuments of the sport such as those are just so much more intense that they negatively affect any rider in any future race.

by ursula on Jul 30, 2010 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

ETB

Basque TV had the best camera work and clearest streaming I’ve seen all year at Pais Vasco so here’s hoping for the same quality coverage.

Avatar in honour of #13, Fabian "I'm not superstitious" Cancellara

by fancan on Jul 30, 2010 12:32 AM EDT reply actions  

While saying this has done me little good this year

I’ll say it again for Sunday: VAI DAMIANO!

Vlaanderens Mooiste

by Koppenberg on Jul 30, 2010 1:07 AM EDT reply actions  

That cheer will probably work on Sunday too.

Since Cunego will be the only one on the course. The race is Saturday. lol

by ursula on Jul 30, 2010 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, he'd have a better chance of winning Sunday

but it still wouldn’t be a given. I hear the local group ride has some strong guys.

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Jul 30, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hate tough carrots.

You have to simmer them so much longer.

They may look like carrots but they are not to be messed with! --Albertina

by majope on Jul 30, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

replace simmer

with microwave

"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 31, 2010 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bah

Rounds of the world cup are always on Sunday. Have they no respect for tradition?

Vlaanderens Mooiste

by Koppenberg on Jul 30, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Podium in some order

Cunego, Nibali and Bakelants

by Jens on Jul 30, 2010 3:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Igor Anton. That is all.

Hope he’s in the same form he was in the spring.

Nice marmotte

by Albertina on Jul 30, 2010 5:14 AM EDT reply actions  

They climb the Jaizkibel from the other side ...

starting in Lezo, not in Hondarribia.
For details on the percentages see here and click on the red mountain icons.

by FrankV on Jul 30, 2010 9:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Live video?

Anyone know anything?

"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 30, 2010 5:48 PM EDT reply actions  

ETB always covers the race

live video starting at 14:45 CEST.

"Until you shoot me off my bike I'll keep looking for a contract" - Jens!
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by Phil H. on Jul 30, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

E!TB

Steephill has link not restricted. Their Pais Vasco coverage was great.

Avatar in honour of #13, Fabian "I'm not superstitious" Cancellara

by fancan on Jul 30, 2010 5:53 PM EDT reply actions  

In Spanish? Or Basque?

Not that it matters. As long as it’s video, we’re cool.

"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 30, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

basque, according to steephill.

"I was watching the Tour de France in 2005, just being a fan again. I thought, ‘you're a fucking idiot. You're a bike fan who gets to ride the Tour de France.'"
- david millar

by Ben Shave on Jul 30, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

shame. you need to ask? of course basque.

tho, sporza is also suppose to be covering it, starting at 15.30

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Jul 31, 2010 5:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

SamSan!

A fissure in his hand? Ehh. Sinusitis? Bah. And I’m not making a sentimental pick. Nope, not at all.

"And at this moment I start thinking it would be a good time to break my collarbone."- Jens!

by mplng on Jul 30, 2010 6:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Kolobnev

or however you spell his name, buoyed by his medal, wins by 5 sec.s

I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it

by plinytheelder on Jul 30, 2010 6:25 PM EDT reply actions  

is joaquin rodriguez racing?

if so, then i pick him. he finished one spot behind ryder in the tdf, meaning he didn’t work as hard, so he has fresher legs, que no?

by inseguitore on Jul 30, 2010 11:09 PM EDT reply actions  

I already announced my picks on Twitter,

so there’s no going back. J Rod, Cunego, Gilbert.

Twitter username: FitTechEric

by The Team Chef on Jul 31, 2010 1:41 AM EDT reply actions  

ticker?

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Jul 31, 2010 5:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

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