Cancellara wins again! Prologue Post Stage Chat
by Jens on Jul 3, 2010 1:49 PM EDT
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No great shock today. Fabian "Spartacus" Cancellara stomps on everyone else to take the Yellow Jersey. Tony Martin's early start gamble paid off and he looked like a winner for a long time but unlike the German soccer team he had to surrender in the end. Lance Armstrong channeled some rage and was first of all the big GC contenders.
Result of the day:
- Fabian Cancellara, saxo Bank ,10.00
- Tony Martin, HTC, +10 sec
- David Millar , Garmin, +20
- Lance Armstrong, Radio Shack, +22
- Geraint Thomas, Sky, +23
Below the fold, some post-race comments!
David Millar, Team Garmin-Transitions
"I'm satisfied, I was hoping to go well and, contrary to my usual performances of late, I actually went well. The wet roads weren't nearly as hazardous as I thought they'd be. There were one or two corners where I was too cautious. I knew I was going really fast and I didn't want to be slapped off and make a fool of myself. I'm 33 after all. I followed Tyler and had a look at the course beforehand and I'm blown away by how fast he went. It fills me and, no doubt, our team with confidence for the coming days."
Tyler Farrar, Team Garmin-Transitions
"It was really a surprise. I went into today assuming that I was just riding to get through to the sprint stages and I happened to have a good ride. I think I'm as surprised as anyone. And pleased."
Jonathan Vaughters, Team Garmin-Transitions
"I'm really proud of our team. Two riders in the top ten is a pretty good start for us. David and Tyler did incredible rides, and it was good to see Robby Hunter up there too. We think there's some exciting racing to come."
Matt White, Team Garmin-Transitions
"I’m super impressed with the team today. Two riders in the top ten is an excellent start to the Tour and it gives us confidence in what’s to come."
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post race he inflates 3 sizes
"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton
Fabian in yellow
always makes me happy
"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"
My VDS team leader gives us a good Tour start.
"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton
fucking old man could have helped us out by getting on the podium
"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton
great ride though! good sign
I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it
by plinytheelder on Jul 3, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, good sign
"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton
He did
Top 5 here.
Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...
by TheFigurehead on Jul 3, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Could be an interesting first week
Everyone talks stage three, but I think good riding on stage two could take yellow off of Cance…
Man I had all this money riding on Voeckler
fuck this shit
I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it
They were riding their regular bikes no?
Something about their saddle that was amiss
Money is the best doping. - Gerrie Kneteman
Lance +22
Contador +27
Levi +28
Braj +35
Kloden + 36
Vino +38
Evans + 39
Gesink +51
Sastre +54
Basso +55
Wiggins +56
SamSan +56
Menchov +56
F. Schleck +57
Vande Velde +1.00
Andy Schleck +1.09
http://www.bah.net/
by dees ees en drama on Jul 3, 2010 2:03 PM EDT reply actions
+1000
Good thing there isn’t a TTT.
by mr. rogers on Jul 3, 2010 2:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So
Wiggo & Menchov are already ~30" behind Contador? Geez, thanks for playing…
At least Schlecket can hope to make up time in the mountains.
wow
didn’t know Wiggins was that far back. Ouch.
I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it
by plinytheelder on Jul 3, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I missed it
but my understanding is he went early to try to beat the weather and, instead, the weather hit him squarely but largely cleared up by the time Lance, Tony & Pistolero went through…
Crap..I was doing the same thing...though you missed some
Gerdemann +35
Rogers +35
Kreuziger +38
LuLu Sanchez +39
Taaramae +45
Van den Broeck +49
Le Mevel +1.04
Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!
I’m not really sure how wiggins/Andy/satre et al figure they are going to win when they are 30+ seconds back after day 1. What do they do better than Bert? Oh that’s right nothing.
I know it’s only one day but how these things have played out lately those gaps don’t change much except for climbs and tts. God I hope I’m wrong and this is giro 2.0 but I doubt it.
by mr. rogers on Jul 3, 2010 2:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Never know...crashes, getting gapped in a sprint and losing a few seconds, splits, etc.
I hope it isn’t too predictable though
Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!
As for Wiggins
I’m not sure that he actually is going for the win in any other way than stumbling across it.
Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...
by TheFigurehead on Jul 3, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe he is going hard for it, but that would be more than a tad delusional
Since the most important factor in his case is pure luck.
Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...
by TheFigurehead on Jul 3, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
yes but still
a prologue should suit him and he should ride better than that result. I mean he won the Amsterdam prologue at the Giro when he was only using the race for training, so even if he is planning on peaking for the third week he must have been hoping for a result closer to the Evans/Vino range and not one that saw him behind Gesink and Sastre.
Agreed
Seems like a waste to plan your whole season around a race to try for top 5 at best… And that’s if you get all the breaks.
by mr. rogers on Jul 3, 2010 2:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
To be fair
although I can’t see how Wiggo can beat AC, prior to today 2nd place overall didn’t seem totally out of the question to me: if he can limit losses to ASchleck on the climbs then beat him soundly on the ITT, he could have done it. In fact, I’m not sure it’s necessarily still out of the question, especially if he peaks in the 3rd week. And 2nd in the Tour, if he gets it, ain’t exactly a poor result…
Only on the record quote I've seen is on the sky tracker thing timed at 20.18 CEST
"I’m happy with the way I felt physically and with the numbers in front of me," he told us, referring to the SRM monitor on his handelbars, which told him how much power he was generating.
"I didn’t want to chance anything," he continued. "I said all along that the prologue wasn’t the be all and end all for me, so I’m just pleased to have got round in one piece. I felt good and did what I needed to do."
"Chloe (Hosking) had a great run on my wheel and flew around me right at the end, timed it perfectly. There’s a difference between losing and getting beat, and I got beat today, she had a great sprint." Brooke Miller.
I'd love to know which weather forecast Brailsford was using
bloody stupid in my view but never mind
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
it's not as if wiggo/sky were the only ones doing rider placement based on the weather
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
No but if you make a big deal out of getting stuff right like Brailsford does
it’s not a terribly good idea to get stuff wrong too often, is it?
& also, how many riders considering themselves serious GC threats (which Bradley & Sky claim him to be) went early? You didn’t catch Schlecks, Contador, Basso, Armstrong etc. doing it, did you? I mean, Sastre ended up with a better time than him. Wiggo will need all the time he can get.
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
vandevelde was early too
Martin and Boasson Haagen also.
Money is the best doping. - Gerrie Kneteman
Big day for Versus
Tour de Lance full bore now at least until a mountain top finish.
The Rivalry might be the real thing.
Anyone that bought the $29.99 VS package
please comment?
Nothing is impossible when you work for the circus.
When it worked
The HD was really HD.
But it worked about 10% of the time.
No commentary in the beginning. Later got fixed.
Maybe it was just working out the bugs, which always pisses me off as an excuse. did know one test the damn thing before the start of the race?
by BTD on Jul 3, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll second that
HD was easily best viddy coverage I’ve watched online. But, it cut out for a long time in the middle and I resorted to Eurosport (which actually has better commentators too, IMHO). Came back on in last 40 minutes or so and was good after that.
Real reason I got it is because I’m hoping I can watch on-demand since I’ll be busy until right after the stage finish almost every day. If not, just simple pirated feeds is less of a hassle.
by Douglas Ansel on Jul 3, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Seems strange...
I watched in on “real” TV today, but I seem to recall that the Vs feed worked quite well last year (or at least, I can’t recall having any complaints).
viddy quality was good, tho, i haven't installed the autobahn accelerator yet. except for no commentary at the start, it worked quite well (for me at any rate)
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
The video was good
but there was no commentary at first. Then everything died and it was horrible, no video, nothing. Then they fixed it for the last half hour or so and it was really good video and had the live commentary from P&P. Disappointing that it started off grim, but if it’s like it was at the end for the rest of the race I’ll be happy. I’m going to test it out later to see how the on-demand video is – that’s going to be important for the stages I can’t watch live. Will it be possible to watch later without results getting spoiled?
"Gold medal, silver medal, bronze medal; for me, potato." - Emil Zatopek
I'm happy enough
but I had to use the lower-quality flash, rather than the HD “Autobahn” plugin. Autobahn just froze for me. The flash is adequate. Autobahn might have issues with my particular home connection which is a line of sight radio (decent bandwidth but high latency). I’ll reserve judgment on the HD until I try the performance at work, where I have a better connection. That said, the lower quality Flash was plenty good, and I’m happy enough if that’s all I can use.
most important, no filler and no commercials. all race action.
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
Although once it is installed
there doesn’t seem to be a way to bypass it. So I had to uninstall it to go back to regular Flash. See http://beta.getautobahn.com/support/uninstall-autobahn
thanks for the comments
sounds a bit too complicated for my set up.
Nothing is impossible when you work for the circus.
I don't really need HD for watching on a computer
so I think I’ll skip it…
for the video on demand (vod)
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
Cance in yellow will be interesting...
How hard will the Riis boys work to keep this?yellow jerseys look really good to new sponsors. I could see them trying yo keep this for as long as possible. Andy/frank might be on there own
by mr. rogers on Jul 3, 2010 2:33 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
It will be like in '07 and '09 when he had the jersey, he slayed himself for his leaders while in yellow
They are not going to dump the Schlecks right now so they can get the yellow jersey til the mountains hit. Specialized will have Contador so they won’t care if Cance stays in yellow for a couple days, just as long as they get the win, so they can advertise the hell out of it. There aren’t time bonuses so if Cance wants to hold it on stage 2, he will be doing it mostly himself and making sure the Schlecks are in good position
Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!
I expect the HTC train to do a lot of the work on the flats.
http://www.bah.net/
by dees ees en drama on Jul 3, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Stuart O'Grady said that they'd be looking to 'give it away' after the first four or five days.. at most
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Riis says it's great to have it since it will make them ride at the front
for the first tricky stages. “After the cobbles we can give it away”
That's what Stuey told him to say... it's lovely that they're singing from the same song sheet :)
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Hello! Everyone!
Just visiting the Café for a sec.
Spartacus! Nice! Everything going according to plan.
And off course my congrats to Phil, and all our German friends for amazing WC ¼ final !
Life is not fair! Need proof? Did you see any Vacansoleil Jersey in this year’s TDF?
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well, i for one
am pleased with GT’s performance and glad to see Eddy and Leenoos in the top ten. and well done Mr. Martin for holding them all off till Cance came along. there, that’s my cheering done for the day!
Carduso news a little bit grim. Here's hoping he starts in the am
http://footon-servetto-fuji.com/en/home/news/enormous-crash-by-cardoso/id/213/
"Chloe (Hosking) had a great run on my wheel and flew around me right at the end, timed it perfectly. There’s a difference between losing and getting beat, and I got beat today, she had a great sprint." Brooke Miller.
adding
I quite like the Footon website. Is that bad??
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
Yes it is
The Web Design Council does not endorse that website.
Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...
by TheFigurehead on Jul 3, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
not so much the design
more the tone of voice ;-)
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
Dont forget the woo woo noises
when you hover over fanzone, team, news. Never gets old
"Chloe (Hosking) had a great run on my wheel and flew around me right at the end, timed it perfectly. There’s a difference between losing and getting beat, and I got beat today, she had a great sprint." Brooke Miller.
I've got the sound turned off ;-)
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
Plus the "blips" and "clicks"
Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...
by TheFigurehead on Jul 3, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
"Enormous crash by Cardoso"
“The Portuguese sprinter went onto the ground in a dangerous prologue in Rotterdam and scarily crashed on his head, taking his race continuity into severe jeopardy. Cancellara (Saxo Bank) notches first lead.”
I can see the point, I think.
Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...
by TheFigurehead on Jul 3, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
It's the bit where it refers to him as a Lusitan that does it for me.
Very poetic.
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
Glad Tony Martin is still going well
Maybe he’ll get to have a go at a mountain stage this year too. Juan Manuel Garate taking the Ventoux stage from him last year was unpleasant to watch, although fair I suppose.
I am wondering what his role is...if he is going to just be doing a lot of work for both Cav and Rogers or trying to keep the white as long as possible
I don’t think he is done with the TTing though…still stage 19 and that is more his style
Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!
I think he will be as protected as Rogers
OTOH I think they will both be called on to do some week 1 work for Cav. Not a ton of work but still.
Brian Holm interview on ES pretty much confirms this
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/video/15062010/58/holm-colombia-ready.html
At 3.12 in is asked How is the train organised now? Answers. Follow up question is about GC riders possibly wasting energy in the train.
"Chloe (Hosking) had a great run on my wheel and flew around me right at the end, timed it perfectly. There’s a difference between losing and getting beat, and I got beat today, she had a great sprint." Brooke Miller.
SuperTed, when you get a chance--
we need a spot for the daily white jersey holder. Tony Martin has it today. Thanks!
It’s so stupid I’m speechless--Fabian Cancellara, on claims that he rode a motorized bike in the classics
Over/under
4.5 stages that will come down to a bunch sprint in the first six stages?
Just wondering what you all think.
http://www.bah.net/
by dees ees en drama on Jul 3, 2010 3:46 PM EDT reply actions
I'd say under
I’m thinking the Spa & Arenberg stages won’t be bunch sprints. Maybe one or both will be, but I’m guessing not…
under...I am thinking 3 stages will be sprints...stage 2 won't be a bunch sprint and stage 3 will be in bits...
and I stage will have a break that will barely beat the field.
Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!
No
but there should be
"Do you think we are a bunch a girls?...Go and ride some cobbles and you’ll definately know that we don’t discuss perfume and shaving cream." - Dom
Just watched the replay(was out for the live..no not passed out after the Germany game)
I was yelling at Versus that they should stop ignoring that there are more riders in the field than just Lance and Bert but looking at the GC they may just be right. Huge losses by a ton of GC guys.
Los Geht's Deutschland!!!!
Down with Spain!!!!
Quitter's People United member # 42
Not sure of Bradley being so far back but
Having the Schlecks with a deficit is great news as they have to attack when the hills go up and you know they can attack and drop most everybody.
Saxo polemica
wonder if they will be allowed to attack the yellow if he is on their team(Cance of course)
Los Geht's Deutschland!!!!
Down with Spain!!!!
Quitter's People United member # 42
This is The Great Bjarne we're talking about
Come on, he’ll be yelling in their ears to attack. We’ve seen Tony ferrying bottles in yellow before, yeah?
illa illa illa, Villa maravilla!
That's one of the many things we love about him :)
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Indeed. About *both* of them, no?
Tony and The Great Bjarne, that is
illa illa illa, Villa maravilla!
Works for me... I want to buy Saxo Bank myself...
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
don't think LA's ride was that impressive
Pretty similar in relative terms to last year’s prologue and probably a better course for him given his bike-handling skills
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