Multiple GTs: The top 5 seasons.
- Vincenzo Nibali: 1st Vuelta, 3rd Giro
- Joaquim Rodriguez: 4th Vuelta, 8th Tour
- Carlos Sastre: 8th Giro, 8th Vuelta, 20th Tour
- Alexandre Vinokourov: 6th Giro, 16th Tour
- Luis Leon Sanchez: 10th Vuelta, 11th Tour
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Give Carlos Satre a medal. Three GT's completed, 35 years old, and lowest place was 20th...
I’d say Cervelo got their pound of flesh.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Oh, I hope not. Those skinny climby guys don't have a pound to spare!
But absolutely: well done, Carlos.
Unfortunately, I'm getting used to this kind of situation--Igor Anton, after crashing out of the Vuelta
contrary view:
3 mediocre undistinguished Grand Tours instead of one impressive GT
moo
by Willj on Sep 20, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Bite your tongue =0
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
You're remarkably jaded if top ten in a GT is mediocre and undistinguished.
Or maybe I’m just remarkably easy to impress.
Unfortunately, I'm getting used to this kind of situation--Igor Anton, after crashing out of the Vuelta
Me too... and a complete sucker for stoic little Spaniards
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
perhaps it hurts carlos to have won a tour...and now only finish 3 GTs as he did this year.
(as if “only finishing” as he did is something bad)
Just trying to say that since he won the tour…have expectations, perhaps, been set a bit high on him to do it again or win another GT? He’s always been a rather unremarkable TT, a good climber, but I don’t know…he’s always reminded me of that escape artist type of dude (mountain’s jersey guy), not a GC guy…
2010 TDF Pick the Podium Champ; 2010 Vuelta Pick the Podium 3rd place.
Next year - I'm going for the Grand Slam (suck it Bert!)
by JustJoshinYa on Sep 20, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Seahorse! My friend! Where world is coming to?
Such a stabbing in the back! Such a suckerpuncing! Such a blasphemy!
Such a disrespect to a Saint Carlos! Does anything sacred anymore?
Willj, take it back! LOL
I used to be a big fan of the Racer Formerly Known as Bert! But then again, I used to believe in Santa ,Tooth Fairy and innocence of Floyd!
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ROFL! I thought at first I was the one being sacreligious...
You’ve obviously been badly shocked… your Fringlish is showing :)
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
You’re remarkably jaded if top ten in a GT is mediocre and undistinguished.
relative to his potential …. he never was a contender and he is good enough to be a contender
moo
If you mean a contender for the win...
I just don’t think he is that good anymore. He just doesn’t seem to be able to hang with the best climbers anymroe. When a rider goes this long at this reduced level, you have to start thinking it’s their new reality. Maybe he can turn it around, but to me he looks like a top-ten GC guy, probably not a podium guy, certainly not a top-step guy.
What else can I say? I'm really happy. --Vincenzo Nibali
probably not a contender anymore,
but why is he riding them all? Wasn’t it just at the end of last year that he said he’d done 4 straight GTs, or 5 straight or whatever, and that was crazy and he had to go and rest and never do that again? Or was it end of last year’s Tour? Why do 3?
I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it
by plinytheelder on Sep 21, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
He stopped racing after the Tour last year.
Then last spring he only got 5-10 days of racing in before the Giro. That was something like 8 months of not racing.
The Sastre of 2010 still pales in comparison to the CSC Sastre
At this year’s Giro he benefited greatly from that crazy breakaway on the L’Aquila stage, otherwise he’d probably been outside of the top 10.
Didn’t catch much of the Vuelta so I can’t really comment on his 8th place there.
Giro
he was suffering terribly from the crash on the Montepulciano stage
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
Yeah.
He never should have ridden the Tour this year. That was fucking obnoxious on CTT’s part.
Gotta give Sastre love, I agree
he always does at least 2 GT’s even though its probably not to his advantage at the advanced state of his career. I’m excited to see a combination of him and Menchov at the Giro or Tour next year hopefully.
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There, you have been warned.
Nicholas Roche:
15. Tour
7. Vuelta
I think this knocks Lulu out of the top 5…but it’s a tight race…
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Next year - I'm going for the Grand Slam (suck it Bert!)
It'shard to call.
I had Roche there at first. He doesn’t really deserve to be left out.
LLS was sort of a surprise: I hadn’t noticed how good his stage racing season had been.
Agree - considering they came into the vuelta with half the team "co-leading", Lulu did well...
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by JustJoshinYa on Sep 20, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Reluctantly, I'd have to give it to Roche.
Lulu made up chunks of times in both GTs by getting into a breakaway after he was no longer a podium threat. In the Vuelta at least, Roche was pretty well able to hang with the top climbers, while Lulu never even tried really.
What else can I say? I'm really happy. --Vincenzo Nibali
Of your Top 5 Triki, I found Vino by far the most entertaining. He epitomises grinta..
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
So where would you fit Bert in above?
And Andy. There’s something I like better about the style of the guys who did multiple GTs. Just sort of knocking them out. If you’re trying to win the Tour you have to focus on it completely, though, unless you’re a cut above everyone else.
I suppose if they were all peaking for the one race,
I’d rate the Tour top 4 above Nibali, but a couple of podiums in one year shows a different sort of quality which I like.
There’s something I like better about the style of the guys who did multiple GTs.
Yes, I get your point – wasn’t trying to be a spoil sport to this thread. I just don’t think Sastre achieved much (relative to his potential) by diluting his focus. I’d like to see Bert try 2 in a year again
moo
yes but wasn't his hand a bit forced by needing to justify ctt's gt invites?
it was not as if he announced before the season “I will definitely ride all 3 grand tours, and plan to win them all.” I am sure he would have rather trained for and rode the g-v or t-v double instead like he will next year.
Absolutely. Winning is much better, but
if one of the criteria of this “competition” involves riding more than one GT, we would have to exclude Contador.
Ok, the overall top 5 GT seasons.
I’d maybe take the Tour podium, add Nibali 4th and then Sanchez or Basso. But I’m picking these even more arbitrarily.
First loser in tour not better than other win
No way the podium – not winning – the Tour, is better than winning the Giro or Vuelta, in my opinion of course.
I would like it if people would treat it that way...
…unfortunately, many don’t. I agree though. Winning the race is the object here.
Nibali wins this "competition" by a long distance.
Winning is almost everything in sports, at least according to my little universe. In fact none of the other guys made the podium in any of the GT’s they entered which makes the ranking here very difficult.
Carlos won the grey jersey :)
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Calito is a great fighter and he wins a lot of fans for that,
but next year I would rather see him in a support role helping Menchov to another GT win than trying for another top 10 placement.
I suspect he'd be happier in that role too... bugger the expectations.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Liquigas were real winners
their team fired on all cylinders, their three leaders were so willing to work for the team and execute stratgey. The combination of Basso and Nibali will be one to reckon with in the Tour next year, perhaps a good three way battle will ensue.
DISCLAIMER: Anything I say is ultimately blinded by my ridiculously unnecessary love for all things Cancellara, or Schleck related....
There, you have been warned.
Agree, great team, but
next year will also be a bit complicated in terms of the TdF. Liquigas, being Italian, will have to ride full power in the Giro potentially leaving the “best support riders” a bit dead in the water when July comes around. The team double (Giro+Tour) will be possible, but really tough. Here is a questions: On Liquigas, who will ride what races next year (as captain)?
Basso for the Tour, Nibbles for the Giro-Vuelta double, I think I read somewhere.
But as you can tell, my memory is vague on the source and veracity of that statement.
I read this too...
I think it was said just before or after Vuelta Stage 20. I believe it was also said that Szmyd is Basso’s for the Tour, and not riding the Giro.
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Makes perfect sense all of it
Basso needs to get a shot at the Tour, Nibali needs to get a Giro in his process of hopefully going for the career grand Tour sweep, and liquigas needs to capitalize on Basso’s form while he is in the peak of his career, so he can finally get the fair shot at the Tour he hasn’t had (pretty much his own fault, I know). Liquigas would be advised to find at least a decent Kreuzinger replacement though, regardless of what a fantastic domestique Szmyd is.
DISCLAIMER: Anything I say is ultimately blinded by my ridiculously unnecessary love for all things Cancellara, or Schleck related....
There, you have been warned.
If they are really smart
they look at the parcourses of the three GTs before deciding who does what.
Agree, but somehow I doubt
the route will determine who rides what next year.
I feel like thats whats gonna happen
It would be smart to go about it that way, but I feel like each rider accomplished some things this year and may want to take the next logical step. I’ve always seen it as win a vuelta, then a giro, then a tour in the logical order.
DISCLAIMER: Anything I say is ultimately blinded by my ridiculously unnecessary love for all things Cancellara, or Schleck related....
There, you have been warned.
Nibali is doing either Giro-Tour or Giro-Vuelta again
according to the man himself
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He is a Sicilian
Giro will go to Sicily next year.
So we know the answer;)
Will he be given an offer he can't refuse?
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the career grand tour sweep raises a question in my mind
how much better served is Nibali careerwise given a chance to go after (and now ultimately win) the Vuelta. He certainly got a taste of how deep he’d have to go to defend, and I wonder what the mental edge of knowing ‘I can win a grand tour’ is when faced w/ the circus that is the tour.
Say in comparison to Andy Schleck – seemed to finish 2nd in the Giro on accident (i use that term lightly), and now seems hell bent on winning the Tour, the Vuelta & Giro be damned. Which brings me to my question – are young GT riders better off polishing their ability to win in G/V before going all in for the Tour?
In my opinion, resoundingly yes
I think Andy’s goal of winning the Tour wold be much more likely realized if he competed hard and won either the Vuelta or Giro.
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by PopUp Rolen on Sep 20, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
wonder how different Nibali's season might've been
had he done tour-vuelta as originally planned
"I was just trying to keep warm" - Ian Stannard on finishing third in KBK
gryzdu related it from szmyd in a live thread (final stage is my guess)
from what he said in either the Polish Eurosport studio or twitter/newspaper. Nibali will not be riding the Tour but do the Giro-Vuelta again, Basso and Szmyd will do just the Tour only IIRC but I’d assume that means Basso and Szmyd are not planning on doing the Giro at the moment and would not be surprised if Szmyd ended up on the Vuelta roster.
As informative as it sounds
I can’t believe any team that is not run by complete and utter morons planning out their next season in detail before the current season is even finished. A team that just won 2 out of 3 GTs does not fit that description.
So I sincerely doubt that Szmyd can say that with any authority. They may have been talking along those lines but I can’t see how it would be fact.
Part of the process of getting contracts is determining what races you will do.
You can’t plan details but you need to know roughly how many riders and which ones you are sending where so that you don’t promise to everyone and then piss everyone off later when you break those promises.
Oh! How true!
The things I always will remember from 2010 is Szmyd leading green armada up in the mountains in Giro, and Roman doing the same thing in Vuelta! What a team work! What a dedication to the team leader!
I used to be a big fan of the Racer Formerly Known as Bert! But then again, I used to believe in Santa ,Tooth Fairy and innocence of Floyd!
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I'm going in a different direction here...since you weren't specific about it.
You could include Cavendish on the list with 9 GT stage wins and a Vuelta points classification. Surely that is better that going 10th and 11th overall.
Also, HTC won multiple stages in all GTs.
Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!
Is that better than 3 GT wins and the most important points jersey?
Genuine question. As far as GT jerseys go, the Vuelta points has been a shit small win these last years.
Just a different set-up. He still had to deal with Farrar, Petacchi, Hushovd and also the mountain goats who would take
equal points on their stages. I mean…the sprinting contingent was strong at the Vuelta so it shouldn’t be knocked for just being the Vuelta. I think that he might trump Peta just because he won the 5 Tour stages and coming back with a strong Vuelta.
Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!
by Vlaanderen90 on Sep 20, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Very good point.
I would say Cav’s achivements outclass everyones but NIbali in the above list.
What, no honorable mention for the French?
The Great John Gadret was 13th at the Giro and 19th at the Tour.
Russian Vladimir Karpets is not only known for his mullet but also for his radical facial hair; he is not known for much else.
I would if he wasn't dead last in the Tour TT.
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by ncrow on Sep 20, 2010 6:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And a dick.
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by JustJoshinYa on Sep 20, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting that these guys were all mid-priced on VDS.
Of the six (excluding Valverde) high-priced GC guys (20+), three didn’t even attempt a second tour, three tried it and flopped. Though to be fair to Cadel, he’d probably have had a good enough Tour to make this list had he not crashed. Schleck and Menchov, not so sure.
What else can I say? I'm really happy. --Vincenzo Nibali
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