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Podium Café 2010 Women Rider Rankings – Part 1: One Day Races


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For the last few years at the Café Chris has been fooled into developing a rider ranking system under the pretence that it is really a game. Now with most of the legwork already done, I decided to take the basic principles and apply them to this season’s womens races in order to come up with a first draft ranking of that peloton. I say first draft because there are an awful lot of subjective judgements involved in selecting and ranking the races that are going to count, and I’m fully open to suggestions on where you think that my judgement may be a little clouded/ should have put on its glasses/ was smoking something peculiarly aromatic, etc. I’ve broken down the analysis into a couple of parts, one-day races and stage races, so of course there will be a third part to add them together, just because I’ve got the numbers to play around with. Anyway, according to the races I chose to score here are the top 10 riders on the one-day circuit this year:

1

Emma Johansson

2935

2

Kirsten Wild

2140

3

Grace Verbeke

2000

4

Marianne Vos

1985

5

Annemiek Van Vleuten

1840

6

Judith Arndt

1515

7

Giorgia Bronzini

1360

8

Emma Pooley

1260

9

Charlotte Becker

1250

10

Eleonora Van Dijk

1095

 

So there’s no need to send Marianne Vos off to take over the UCI because Emma J has beaten her pretty comprehensively this year anyway. I’m not sure I’d totally believe that myself, but I think that the main factor has been the rise of Annemiek Van Vleuten this season, and the fact that Vos has been more than happy to play the loyal teammate. Just about everyone else at the top of that table is the sole leader of their team. Emma J undoubtedly so at Red Sun, Grace Verbeke ditto in the Northern one day races even if she’s hardly been seen South of the Alps, and it’s an odd day if Kirsten Wild and Emma Pooley both line up for Cervelo. Carry on overleaf for more listings and a bit of explanation how I worked it all out.

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11

Ina-Yoko Teutenberg

1070

12

Adrie Visser

940

13

Chantal Blaak

925

14

Monia Baccaille

915

15

Noemi Cantele

870

16

Nicole Cooke

865

17

Evelyn Stevens

845

18

Rochelle Gilmore

790

19

Martine Bras

670

20

Liesbet De Vocht

650

That’s 11-20. Ina-Yoko Teutenberg comes in so low partly because she wins races that I haven’t scored, and partly because she only seems to enter if she’s got a good chance of winning. Compare that to the way Kirsten Wild struggled her way to lower placings in hilly Dutch races for the sake of getting points towards the season-long competition. And we may not have seen much of Nicole Cooke, but she’s done pretty well whenever she’s had the chance.

21

Regina Bruins

620

22

Vicki Whitelaw

595

23

Brooke Miller

570

24

Sarah Düster

560

25

Christel Ferrier-Bruneau

540

26

Loes Gunnewijk

500

27

Olga Zabelinskaya

485

28

Rasa Leleivyte

450

29

Ruth Corset

440

30

Andrea Bosman

430

 

Finally here are positions 21-30, just to show how just a few riders get most of the wins, and to give an idea of some of the problems involved in weighting a womens VDS game.. In the mens VDS right now the top riders are Tyler Farrar and Joaquim Rodriguez with 2000 points apiece; three women have already cracked that ceiling before we even start to score stage races.

Anyway, how was it all scored? I’ve used exactly the same categories and points valuesas we use on the men’s game. In the place of the Monuments and Worlds category, I’ve put World Cup races and the Worlds, where the first 20 across the line score points from 350 for 1st place right down to 5 for 20th place. There may be a case for moving some races in or out of this category, but by and large these ones get the best quality fields. The only oddity is the Vargarda TTT where our rules mean that just about everyone scores something

 

Trofeo Alfredo Binda - Comune di Cittiglio

Ronde van Vlaanderen / Tour des Flandres

Unive Ronde van Drenthe

La Flèche Wallonne Féminine

Tour of Chongming Island World Cup

GP Ciudad de Valladolid

Open de Suède Vargarda TTT

Open de Suède Vargarda

GP de Plouay-Bretagne

Championnats du Monde UCI CLM/ UCI TT World Championships

Championnats du Monde UCI CL / UCI RR World Championships

 

The next one day category is group 4, Top Classics, where the top 15 score from 250 down to 15 points. I’ve simply put in everything that is a 1.1 race on the UCI calendar, which is a bit crude but everything’s open to debate here. I’m not keen on having three time trials here, especially as they tend to have smallish fields anyway, but the rest seem OK.

Drentse 8

Novilon Eurocup Ronde van Drenthe

GP Stad Roeselare

Grand Prix de Suisse

Grand Prix Elsy Jacobs

Liberty Classic

Grand Prix Cycliste de Gatineau

Sparkassen Giro

Chrono Champenois - Trophée Européen

Chrono des Nations

 

Then we come to group 5, Other Classics, where the top 10 score from 150 down to 10 points. Again I’ve just taken all the other races on the UCI calendar, i.e. the category 1.2s.

 

Omloop Het Nieuwsblad-vrouwen elite / Circuit Het Nieuwsblad-Femmes Elite

GP Comune di Cornaredo

Grand Prix de Dottignies

Ronde van Gelderland - Top Competitie

Omloop van Borsele WE - Top Competitie

GP Liberazione

GP Mameranus

Therme kasseienomloop

Durango-Durango Emakumeen Saria

Chrono Gatineau

GP Cento Carnevale d'Europa

Dwars door de Westhoek

Valkenburg Hills Classic - Top Competitie

Omloop Door Middag-Humsterland WE - Top Competitie

Memorial Davide Fardelli - Cronometro Individuale

 

 

Finally comes group 6, minor races, and I’ve scored here all the main races on the French, Belgian and Italian domestic calendars. For Belgium that meant the Wielertrofee Vlaanderevn series, for France the French Cup which I’ve not mentioned at all this year so probably deserves a bit of attention next year, and for Italy all the races rated 1.15 on the domestic calendar. I was planning to do something similar for Dutch races, but all the races in the Top Competitie series are already on the UCI international calendar. Perhaps there’s room for including some domestic US races, but I’ve not yet looked in to it. Only five riders score in each race, so giving 100 points for a win may give a boost to some riders who don’t do so well when the more serious competition turns up, but then again maybe we need more races where Vos isn’t present.

 

Tielt-Winge (2é Omloop van het Hageland)

BEL

Middelkerke (1é Noordzee Wielertrofee Middelkerke)

BEL

Knokke-Bredene ( Pinte Classics)

BEL

Passendale ( 6é Memorial Daniel Debrabander )

BEL

Heusden-Zolder (8 Grote Prijs Ward van Ende)

BEL

Erondegem ( 16é Grote prijs ramen & deuren Geert Gillis )

BEL

Ruien-Kluisbergen (2é Grote Prijs JOWAN Bike-Technology )

BEL

10e GP GFM Meccanica - Gattatico

ITA

I Muri Fermani - Le Nostre Fiandre

ITA

8th Trofeo Vannucci Alberto - GP Valbisenzio

ITA

GP Citta di Novi Ligure ricordando Fausto Coppi

ITA

3rd Classica Citta di Padova

ITA

Giornata del Ciclismo Rosa a Nove

ITA

L'Eroica Rosa

ITA

Cholet Pays-de-Loire/Rhône Alpes

FRA

Grand Prix de la ville de Pulols

FRA

Ladies Berry Classic

FRA

Grand Prix de France

FRA

Classic Féminine Vienne Poitou-Charentes

FRA

 

 The complete file can be downloaded here (xls file). I’ll put up a similar post for the stage races in a couple of days and then a grand total one soon after that. Any thoughts or sugggestions for improvement would be welcome.

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Great job Monty. This is really cool. I’m sure there will be discussion about the importance of various races, like with the mens. Now there is a great starting point.

"It was getting colder and colder as we went up. About halfway up, I started to go a little backwards and as I passed Thor he looked at me and said, "If you lose my wheel I will smash you." I took his wheel and found an extra gear." João Correia

by jsallee00 on Sep 22, 2010 6:40 PM EDT reply actions  

This is awesome.

We need to find space in the sidebar for a women’s ranking. I know this is part 1 so I’ll be patient…

"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell

by Chris Fontecchio on Sep 22, 2010 7:32 PM EDT reply actions  

indeed.

Very easily done, once we have the data.

by Jen See on Sep 23, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Adding

the dropoff from the top to the middle rankings is like the wealth distribution in the US.

"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell

by Chris Fontecchio on Sep 22, 2010 7:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Really?

Even though Emma moved to Norway?

"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell

by Chris Fontecchio on Sep 23, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well done -

Now we need to have either a women’s VDS game, or a combined game!

by GreylockGrinder on Sep 23, 2010 1:55 PM EDT reply actions  

For a scoring comparison

this is the way the UCI works out their rankings:

World Cup scored to 20th place
75, 50, 35, 30, 27, 24, 21, 18, 15, 11, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1

One Day 1.1 scored to 12th place
80, 56, 32, 24, 20, 16, 12, 8, 7, 6, 5, 3

One Day 1.2 scored to 8th place
40, 30, 16, 12, 10, 8, 6, 3

2.1 Stage race stage scored to 6th place
16, 11, 6, 5, 4, 2
GC scored to 12th place the same as a 1.1 race

2.2 Stage race stage scored to 3rd place
8, 5, 2
GC scored to 8th place as 1.2 race

No points given for TTT

National Champs treated as a 1.2 race and scored to 8th place

So Sharon Laws got 12 points for coming 4th in the GB Nats RR, while Emma Pooley got 11 for coming 2nd up the Stelvio

by Monty. on Sep 23, 2010 4:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Not being a pedant or anything

…though I have been accused of that in the past ;o)… but I think that the points listed above for the World Cups are actually the World Cup points rather than the UCI points. Don’t know why they are different but I gave up trying to figure out the UCI a long time ago.

From my reading of the rules – another thing I’m not sure the UCI does – the UCI points are awarded down to 15th: 100, 70, 40, 30, 25, 20, 15, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3.

I could be wrong – let me know if I am…

by Creeping Tortoise on Sep 24, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought it seemed odd that they gave fewer points for the world cup than for .1 races

I couldn’t find the proper source in the rules, so went through a few race results and took it from there

by Monty. on Sep 25, 2010 7:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

UCI scoring system is on

Page 63 onwards (the womens world cup scoring system follows on pg 69)

by andrewp on Sep 25, 2010 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

You need to get a job.

And rather than develop some weird mathematical system that tries to take everything into account and still can’t tell you what actually happened or even more important, what will happen, why not measure success the way everybody else does, by prize money earned. In fact, why is the minor amount of money that elite female cyclists such a secret? What did Mara Abbott get for her Giro Donne victory? How much money has Ina-Yoko made this year? Who are the top ten earners in the women’s peloton? That’s what I want to know.

by chuck martel on Sep 23, 2010 7:12 PM EDT reply actions  

The beauty of this place is that you usually find that others have done most of the brainwork already

Ursula and Chris have been working on and tweaking the points system for a few years so I just needed to dump races in the relevant categories, which I’ve done in the most obvious way I could for now. Add to that a few spreadsheets I had left from VDS a couple of years ago, and it was just a matter of finding the results, copying and pasting them and pressing a big button to calculate. All pretty mindless and a good adjunct to another brain-dead task I had of transferring several hundred DVDs burned over the last few years onto HDD (insert DVD, refresh explorer, drag to new disk, score another couple of races in the five minutes it takes to copy, repeat until fed-up). Half the idea in publishing was to see if anyone could think of a better scoring system, anyone as in the real mathematicians out there. ‘Cos as tgsgirl (Is it a bird, Is it a plane …) says below, you tend to think there’s something wrong if Vos doesn’t end up on top.

Would prize money give a better result. To be honest, the prize money in most races is so shit that I doubt it provides any motivation at all. Even on the smaller teams where they struggle to find petrol money, I bet the DS has better motivation than “If you can get from 5th to 4th then you won’t have to push the minibus the last twenty miles home”. But in most cases it’s no secret; it’s there on the race website if you go click on the right link. Here it is for the Giro Donne (scroll down to the bottom) and Mara got 557 Euro for winning the overall, plus 269 for each of her stage wins, plus assorted other bits of you care to do the maths. Minus a cut that goes to the UCI testing fund and a cut that goes to the after cycling fund. If you want to work it out for other races then here’s the UCI’s 2010 calendar, the little blue circle thingy in the right hand column usually goes to the race website (a couple are broken links), but what do you do with the races that give real physical prizes. One race gave out underwear as a prize last year. Should we write to the winners asking for an estimate on how much it cost? At the Ardeche, the biggest prize was 1000 Euro put up by Thierry Claveyrolat’s brother for an intermediate sprint and I suspect (read can’t be bothered wading through their website) that Vicki Whitelaw got less for winning, but would you really make Claudia Hausler the winner just for that.

by Monty. on Sep 24, 2010 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

You know what I'm talking about.

Mara Abbott rode a bike faster than the best female cyclists in the world over 900 kilometers of Italian terrain for 25 1/2 hours over ten days and got a little over a thousand euros out of it. She probably could have done as well financially driving a truck. Female cyclists should set up an organization that sanctions races. If promoters want the best riders, they should have to put up the prize money to make it worth their while. Many sports have gone through the same process, pro rodeo, golf, NASCAR, and others. It’s no wonder it’s difficult to keep great competitors in the sport, they’re making a tremendous financial sacrifice to play the game. If the UCI won’t get them the money, they’ll have to do it themselves.

by chuck martel on Sep 24, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Promoting races may pay for your pool and private helicopter in the States

but in Europe most do it for the love, and because others did it for them when they were younger and raced. Do you know how many Ipigs and pink wigs you have to sell to keep a team going. That’s before some bastard sticks a bus-shelter in your front garden.

by Monty. on Sep 25, 2010 7:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Prize money?

This would include a lot of work. Like, tracking down the value of trophies and wheels of cheese and whatnot. It’s also about as meaningful as salary rankings. Which is to say, not completely devoid of meaning but still…

"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell

by Chris Fontecchio on Sep 24, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very nice Monty!

Even though we all know Grace should’ve been number one ;)
(I’m really more surprised that there is a ranking where Vos isn’t number one!)

by tgsgirl on Sep 24, 2010 5:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Monty mentioned

that the PdC points system has a smaller difference in points between winning and placing second,third etc. than for example the UCI rankings. This benefits a rider that is consistantly well placed but doesn’t necessarily win the most races (EmmaJ in this case, probably a number of names in the men’s ranking too). If that is right or wrong is a matter for debate. Personally for a ranking I think it’s reasonable. Alternatively you can count wins (or prizemoney as our charming friend ChuckM suggests)to find the winningest rider.

by Jens on Sep 24, 2010 6:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Putting our scoring system into the World Cup races makes it a lot closer

Marianne Vos 1595
Emma Johansson 1590
Annemiek Van Vleuten 1060
Kirsten Wild 1055
Judith Arndt 1035
Charlotte Becker 1020
Grace Verbeke 980
Adrie Visser 840
Emma Pooley 760
Chantal Blaak 740

(for some reason the UCI page won’t load for me right now so I can’t do the comparison)

by Monty. on Sep 24, 2010 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

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