Women's Worlds Road Race - the Pigeons guide to who to look out for & how to spot them
[Update] Bumped from below. The race starts in like six hours.
Apart from severe sleep deprivation, the women's road race should give us some insane racing, with attacks, more attacks and even more attacks, from a whole host of crazy riders. But given that there's a lot less of women's racing on tv, and some of the commentators get a little bit confused as to who's actually racing (oh the JOY of Hugh Porter...) you might want some top tips on how to spot the riders from their style. And as always, Podium Café is here to help!
I'm not doing all of them - just the riders I'll be watching out for. Plus I know, I know, I should be able to tell them by what bike they're riding, but I'm rubbish at that (I can spot Cervélo riders, and that's about it). Name-links lead to pictures of the riders in the field, and if you have any cunning rider-recognition techniques (or riders to look out for) add them in!
*** EDIT!!! Monty has some really great thoughts on possile team tactics in the comments - and a really funny short précis of how the 2010 season has gone - I can't recommend it enough. Scroll right down and look for the glowy-green comments, you won't regret it! ***
My personal theory is that this will be most like GP Plouay, where after some practice attacks, a break formed of 4 of the riders who've got to be heading up the list of favourites for Saturday. Here's a mini-video so you can see their riding styles in action
MARIANNE VOS - NETHERLANDS
The easiest way to spot Marianne is through her endless attacking, acceleration on the short, sharp climbs, and the fact she's the rider everyone else will have their eye on. If she attacks, expect fireworks and an immediate response from anyone nearby who still has legs. And if it comes to a bunch sprint, she's been known to out-sprint everyone. She's usually got a little small ponytail of brown curls tucked under the back of her helmet and she's very physical with her bike, really pulling it around as she works. And this girl knows how to work! She's a former World Champion on the Roads, Track, & current World Champ in 'Cross (her 3rd) and she's only 23....
JUDITH ARNDT - GERMANY
Arndt has the super-skinny, compact frame of a climber and GC threat. She's another former World Champ, so if you see a German with rainbow trim on her kits, that's her. She's probably the smallest of the Germans, with a very characteristic determined look. She'll be looking for a chance to attack and escape into a nice long breakaway. She's not got the best sprint, though, so if she does get away, she'll be attacking at the end
EMMA POOLEY - GB
Emma's possibly the easiest rider to spot, as she is TINY, and has a very upright climbing style when it goes uphill. If there's a killer breakaway, and they're going over the big hill with 3 laps to go, and there's this tiny little rider looking tired and about to be dropped off the back, it's Emma, and she's sandbagging. Watch the video at 1:43 for what happens when she accelerates, it's beautiful (and for Marianne, in the World Cup jersey, killing herself, Vos-style, to chase her down). She might be a bit tired after winning the ITT, but the prospect of Double Rainbows is awesome!
EMMA JOHANSSON - SWEDEN
Both the Emmas have little blonde ponytails, so that's not much help - but the easiest way to spot her is she's the Swede who is up at the front! She's not the one with a huge amount of long bright blonde hair streaming out behind her - that's Emilia Fahlin - and she often seems to get hidden behind the other riders. She's a consistently strong day racer, though, with a strong showing in the World Cup series - and this course could be right up her street....
So, who else to watch out for?
My No. 1 team this year is THE NETHERLANDS - the biggest problem this team is going to have is knowing who to ride for, as they've got at least 3 riders who could win it, depending on how it pans out. If it gets bunchy-sprinty, you'll see KIRSTEN WILD at the fore. Kirsten is always recognisable, as she's very tall, with a proper Dutch sprinter's build. If it's raining and windy, she'll probably be the one grinning all over her face, as those are her favourite racing conditions. She's got red curls, and freckles, but really, you can't miss her, she's taller than the average rider. Fast forward to the 2 minute mark here to see her in action.
If I had a pick a dark horse to steal the win, it would be ANNEMIEK VAN VLEUTEN, who's having a great season, following an operation to clear scar tissue out of her femoral artery last winter. Annemiek is a genius at those nasty attacks that are non-winners for everyone else (let Annemiek go for the win, or chase her down & help Marianne?). She's been really versatile too, attacking on climbs & flat and everything in between. She's got straight browny-blondey hair, she's pretty, but looks quite anonymous riding. Often wears big earrings, which is my useful way of telling which Nederland Bloeit it is doing the attacking. Watch her win the Eurocup from the 5 minutes mark

Next nation of favourites are THE ITALIANS - and with TATIANA GUDERZO as defending champion, they'll be all out for some more Vos-harassment, just like last year - here's Tatiana escaping for the win while NOEMI CANTELE looks like she's having a great time stopping the others chasing her down. Noemi really knows how to ride herself into form at this time of year, and it could be more suited to her than Tatiana. Noemi you can spot by her strong jawline - here she is winning a stage at the Giro Toscana earlier in the month.
The Italian I think the course might suit most is GIORGIA BRONZINI - especially if it does go to a sprint - and she's not shy about getting into breaks & hauling herself over hills. She's come 2nd & 3rd in sprints all year, but she's another one who hit her stride in Toscana. She's a trackie, so smaller than the other sprint queens, with very short dark hair, a facial piercing under her mouth (labret?) and wears a wooden-looking necklace. Sprints head-down, track-style. She's got a recognisable style, but I can't find a great video of her.

Originally THE GERMANS looked like a super-scary team, with a rider for every occasion, but they've dropped down my list due to the loss of mountain goat Claudia Häusler and killer lead-out rider "crazy in the corners" Sarah Düster, both to injuries. But they haven't dropped far, and anyway, every single one of you should be supporting INA-YOKO TEUTENBERG, given that she came & livechatted with us! Teute is *the* dominant sprinter of 2010, winning more races than her team-mates Cav & Greipel combined (probably! They might have caught up by now..), and you'll be able to spot her by her forceful, compact style and proper sprinter's build. Here's a race where despite having a bike change at 00:49 here, she recovers & still wins (around 2:09)
The other one to watch is CHARLOTTE BECKER - national champ and winner of the World Cup GP Valladolid. In Cervélo's roster of stars she's more often on support duty, but she could be one for crazy breakaways - and she has a strong sprint at the end. You'll spot her because she's the tall, very blonde German - here's her Valladolid win - from about 2:33 she's on the attack with compatriot Arndt & Annemiek Van Vleuten - by 3:03 she's won the race.

Home advantage goes to THE AUSSIES, and while I think they're all great, and am betting they'll all be entertaining to watch, my 3 to watch are Café favourites VICKI WHITELAW and TIFFANY CROMWELL, and red-haired Cervélo rider CARLA RYAN. Vicki has curly brown hair, and is likely to be inflicting all kinds of pain on herself, especially as the roads go uphill (I never found any video of her at l'Ardeche, sadly). Tiffany is blonde and petite, and if you see a rider with awesome nail art that's her! Carla would be a team climbing star at almost any team other than Cervélo - it was suggested recently that she won't be riding for them in 2011, so here's to her riding her socks off, impressing teams and getting a great team for next year..... (I can't find Aussie-based video for riding styles - if you can can you please post in the comments?)

GRACE VERBEKE is the BELGIAN who stands most of a chance. She's a tough Classics-esque rider, winning this year's Ronde Van Vlaanderen by attacking on the hills and solo-ing home. She's not got the best sprint out there - and she had a mid-season break, so may not have her early-season form.

There'll be a lot of RUSSIANS in the race, but I can't see past OLGA ZABELINSKAYA, former Junior ITT Champ, and back from maternity leave to burn up the roads. Blonde, serious-looking on the bike, she's a distinctive rider, with some excellent descending skills. Check out her attack on the descent at the Trofeo Alfredo Binda World cup round - around the 3:26 mark - she's in blue Russian kit. She was unlucky that the chase group had some of the best riders in the world in there, who were happy to work together to chase her down, but that kind of riding could win her more rainbows...

Sorry, my American friends, but I don't think it's the right kind of course for TEAM USA... although my bet for top contender, EVELYN STEVENS, did attack and solo for about 70km to win a Giro Donne stage. I just don't know if this is hilly enough for her. She'll give it her all, whatever happens. She'll be the one with dark brown hair, and for some reason looking as though her helmet's too big for her ....

And finally, my team, the Brits. Pooley's my favourite out of these - although NICOLE COOKE is a former World & Olympic Champion, she's still getting over her Rainbow Curse, and has never really found her form all year. I'd love to be a fly on the wall at their team meetings, because Nicole was veeeery unhappy after she lost her National RR title to Pooley this year (it would have been her 10th in a row) - but then again that could've just been a case of "microphone in face straight after the race" syndrome, and blown out of proportion by the media. Emma's not the best smack-talker, and was bigging up Cooke in her post-ITT interviews, but I'll be surprised if Cooke has the form. It'll be fascinating to see if she works for the others, though, as she's very much used to team leader status...
LIZZIE ARMITSTEAD could have an outside chance if it gets sprinty, I suppose - she's got a more trackie, slimmer build, with long brown hair. She'd lose time on the ascents but gain it going downhill...
Finally, I don't think she's a real contender, but if you're going to the race in real life, please please can you yell your head off for SHARON LAWS? She's adopted herself as Aussie, and she'd appreciate it if you'd show her some love! She's had a mixed bag of a season, but kills herself for her team leader - and we don't yet know if Garvélo are renewing her contract, so if she could come 2nd in your cheers after the Aussies, I'd be eternally grateful!

So, that's my run-through...... now all I have to do is wait to be proved wrong, wronger & wrongest!
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I don't think it's the right kind of course for TEAM USA
yep, nothing to see here, move along.
Nice write up. Thanks.
"It was getting colder and colder as we went up. About halfway up, I started to go a little backwards and as I passed Thor he looked at me and said, "If you lose my wheel I will smash you." I took his wheel and found an extra gear." João Correia
that was supposed to be in quotes...
"It was getting colder and colder as we went up. About halfway up, I started to go a little backwards and as I passed Thor he looked at me and said, "If you lose my wheel I will smash you." I took his wheel and found an extra gear." João Correia
quotationmarks don't work for some reason
It might be a SBNation crackdown on “irony” (or possibly a bug)
Yep
Irony will no longer be tolerated.
"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell
by Chris Fontecchio on Sep 30, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Naomi Cantell & Maria Abbott
according the Hugh Porter… although to be fair, he was much worse trying to say Konovaloas
by Sarah Connolly on Sep 30, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha! Worse!
mind you, “Speen Tupt” was my favourite this AM!
by Sarah Connolly on Sep 30, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
It was the inability to pronounce Cancellara that did for me this morning...
… that & the fact it took me ages to work out that “Gil” was not some mysterious previously unheard of South American.
Great write-up, btw. I shall have it in front of me at whatever godforsaken hour of Saturday morning it turns out to be.
"What happened in British Cycling, a lot of people doubted me. I've come back, got this victory, and done it my way." - Adam Blythe after his first pro win at Circuit Franco Belge
There were suggestions the start could be put back
Greeted by heartfelt pleas that they do from me…. Knowing my luck they’ll put it forward instead & start it at 3am….
by Sarah Connolly on Sep 30, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
She looks so nice and timid off the bike
but when racing she looks like an evil little elf who who would gladly use cute furry kittens to beat her opponents to death with.
I really love her "oh, it's so HARD!" act
you know, wobbling…. dropping back…. looking pained…. just before she hits the acceleration and destroys the field.
by Sarah Connolly on Sep 30, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
and that
is cycling in a nutshell folks.
"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell
by Chris Fontecchio on Sep 30, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
+ a zillion
"What happened in British Cycling, a lot of people doubted me. I've come back, got this victory, and done it my way." - Adam Blythe after his first pro win at Circuit Franco Belge
We really need to get a transfer thread going at some point
(I keep getting distracted) Lizzie Armitstead did a Q&A thingy with the Telegraph. Sharon will be in Argyll next year (should we feel sorry for her?).
And following the cessation of the Cervelo Test Team, what are your plans for next season?
“The Garmin-Transitions team didn’t have a women’s team, but they’ve created one now and the women from Cervelo were all offered contracts with Garmin, but not all of them have joined, but I signed. As has [compatriots] Emma [Pooley] and Sharon [Laws]. I’m confident it will be a strong team.
“We just received an email to say the team was stopping. That was it. No apologies, it was pretty rubbish. But I soon got another contract from Garmin so it wasn’t too long to stress.”
by Monty. on Sep 30, 2010 6:28 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
SHARON!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh happy day!
Transfer thread after the Worlds is all over?
by Sarah Connolly on Sep 30, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, thrilled to bits with that
Rather less than the usual glowing write-up for Cervélo there, I see. I guess Vroomen would say he was too busy arguing the team’s case with Vaughters for niceties with the riders.
"What happened in British Cycling, a lot of people doubted me. I've come back, got this victory, and done it my way." - Adam Blythe after his first pro win at Circuit Franco Belge
She only had a 1-year contract with Cervélo anyway
so I was worried, given her injuries this year. But she’s got such a great backstory, and works so hard for her team, she deserves a great run until London 2012
by Sarah Connolly on Sep 30, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Good to hear "were all offered contracts "
first comments about "a core of riders " who would continue with Garmin were a bit worrying. Sounded like some would be thrown under the bus.
I'm not sure who's not going
but presumable they have other offers
I was worried about that too
especially with the total radio-silence on what was going on and riders like Ryan saying it was their last race for Cervélo, without any clue about what happens next….
by Sarah Connolly on Sep 30, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I really liked the stuff about Sky
Re teh SkyRides, this answers a question I had aout the lack of involvement of the women’s team
Models such as Kelly Brook are used to promote the sport around the country. Is this a good thing, or should British cyclists be used, as is the case with the men . . . or were you just all racing that day?
No, I can confirm that I was never asked. I think, though, it’s a real shame. I’m sure Kelly Brook is a nice girl, but she’s not representative of cycling and I’m pretty sure she doesn’t ride a bike day-to-day. I think to inspire young people with sport you need a role model that actually does. I don’t understand the idea of using Kelly Brook other than to attract the male audience.
I think inspiring women is more challenging than to inspire men and by using a model and they’re not really doing anything about that. It’s a shame, but that’s the way it is.
And this…. so interesting, with Brailsford being out there, happy to be photographed congratulating Emma on her ride, when there’s this…
How do you think the profile of women’s cycling can be raised?
I think the [Team] Sky professional men’s team could do something about it. I understand that they had to start somewhere and that was with a men’s team, but their focus is on creating a Tour de France champion in the next four years, or a world champion. But they fail to see that we’ve actually already got an Olympic and world champion [Nicole Cooke] so we’ve already got all that and I think that’s a missed opportunity for them.
There’s a lot of things the women’s side of the sport can offer and I think they’re neglecting that.
She’s much better at the SmackTalk thing than the average woman rider!
by Sarah Connolly on Sep 30, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t understand the idea of using Kelly Brook other than to attract the male audience.
Contrary to single page in the “marketing to women” textbook, alas.
"What happened in British Cycling, a lot of people doubted me. I've come back, got this victory, and done it my way." - Adam Blythe after his first pro win at Circuit Franco Belge
this no quotes in the headline thing
is it new? second time it’s got me today
"What happened in British Cycling, a lot of people doubted me. I've come back, got this victory, and done it my way." - Adam Blythe after his first pro win at Circuit Franco Belge
They also had that Hollyoaks/glamour model heading up one of the SkyRides
…. if they were doing it alongside actual athletes, I’d understand…. the only excuse I can think is that they were antsy about promoting rival teams? Although you’d think Nicole Cooke, riding for Team G, and Vicky Pendleton, sponored by the Sky HD thingy, would be masive draws…
by Sarah Connolly on Sep 30, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
hmmmphhh
"What happened in British Cycling, a lot of people doubted me. I've come back, got this victory, and done it my way." - Adam Blythe after his first pro win at Circuit Franco Belge
yeah
she might be all right when she’s not wearing the official ToB kinky nurse’s outfit
"What happened in British Cycling, a lot of people doubted me. I've come back, got this victory, and done it my way." - Adam Blythe after his first pro win at Circuit Franco Belge
dear god, my spelling!
blaming the stupid-early start….
by Sarah Connolly on Sep 30, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
erm, how to put this
it’s not like Lizzie herself and quite a few of the other GB cyclists are ugly. far from it in fact.
so using them could hit both bases – inspiring girls and a bit of glamour – quite easily
Thanks for doing this
Unfortunately I don’t get to see many women races, so this was very helpful. Fingers crossed for an exciting race!
Thhis video from the GP Carnevale Cento won't let you fast forward
but it has a few nice shots of Vicki Whitelaw doing a lot of chasing on the front of the peloton Here
Hell of a post
I could get lost in the video links for a while…
"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell
by Chris Fontecchio on Sep 30, 2010 6:46 PM EDT reply actions
Thanks for this!
Getting to see these races is such a treat.
speaking of....
"It’s a hard circuit, so that’s good for a World Championship," she said, having now ridden the Geelong course. "I like it, but we’ll have to see in the race who it suits best. I think only the best riders will make it to the final and the strongest will win.
"I think it suits me," she continued, "but it’s difficult to say something about the race. We’ll have to anticipate on what happens in the beginning and see what gives us the best winning opportunity in the final. As I said I think the best riders will be in the final and I hope to be one of them."
by Sarah Connolly on Sep 30, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it looks like a really fair course for the women
Perhaps eliminates the heaviest sprinters like Teutenberg and Wild(?) but otherwise it offers chances for most riders.
Most easily recognizable rider is Linda Villumsen
Nobody else has such an erect posture on the bike.
If you don't follow this stuff regularly and that's a few too many names for you
then this year there have been three main rivalries in the peloton:
If the course is flat then the final will be between Ina-Yoko Teutenberg and Kirsten Wild, and the more important the race, the more likely Teutenberg will win. If you want to do some extra swotting then the race for bronze is between Rochelle Gilmore, Giorgia Bronzini, Shelley Evans and Marianne Vos.
When things get a little hillier then the two at the front are Marianne Vos and Emma Johansson. Characteristics to help you identify them? Vos is the one with her arms high in the air as she comes across the finish line. Third place often goes to Judith Arndt who sneaks in without being much noticed by either the cameras or the commentators. For a wild card watch out for Grace Verbeke who won’t beat those three in a sprint, but is remarkably good at getting into herself into a small group at the front then making a longish range solo attack leaving everyone else behind to argue over who should lead the chase.
Then when we hit the mountains the pair to watch out for are Emma Pooley and Mara Abbott. These two have been really simple to pick out this year: Emma’s the one out by herself at the front, Mara’s several thousand miles away going round some US car park. Third place, but some way distant is Tatiana Guderzo.
So what sort of course is this? Well it’s got hills on it, but the U23 race showed us that they needn’t necessarily be decisive. Team tactics will count for a lot and I’ll try to come up with a few thoughts on that later tonight.
by Monty. on Oct 1, 2010 5:33 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
That is so perfect, please please can you repeat it in your article?
I especially like the “how to identify Marianne”! I laughed out loud, in my office – oops!
On team tactics, the biggie will be putting the hammer down right from the start, to drop all the riders from, erm, nations that don’t usually have riders anywhere near the pro peloton, so there’s less chance of having someone take out all the favourites by complete accident (I know this applies to the men and u23s too, but the women are less keen on “warm-up” laps in general)
by Sarah Connolly on Oct 1, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I'll just shove stuff in here
this is a more thorough piece than I was planning anyway. Great stuff.
That was awesome.
Jens should cut/paste this bit into the top of the live thread. Or, you should just repost it.
Double rainbows
I am trying really hard to forget the fact that in the Spring, Emma had that week when she won the Fleche Wallone, that 1.1 ITT competition and then GP Elsy Jacobs in the same week…. and then went on to win Tour de l’Aude about 3 weeks later… ooooooooooohhh!
I think losing Sarah Duster was fatal for her
Not that the german team isn’t strong anyway but Duster could have pulled IYT back after the climbs like no one else.
I think the women’s race will be broken up much more than theU23 though. Someone will win from a break of 1-5 riders. I could very well see a repeat of Plouay were Pooley rides away from the favorite-group on the final lap.
I was really hoping to see Düster lead-out Teute
How awesome would that have been? Düster is the most amazing lead-out rider – and the work she put in at Vargarda to bring Wild back when Vos escaped was some of the best sprint-domestiquing I’ve ever seen. Sigh. She has no luck with the Worlds, does she? Last year her Fed forgot to register her, this year she’s injured…. poor Sarah….
by Sarah Connolly on Oct 1, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
It's so sad not to have the potential for what would be the glorious spectacle of Duster leading out Teute
Ah, Sarah Duster – she’s worth her weight in gold as the ultimate sprint domestique – I loved her in Vargarda, destroying herself to pull back Vos’ attack – and Lizzie Armitstead’s quote about her beig well-known for how crazy she is in the corners. She has terrible luck with the Worlds – not picked, picked then the Fed forgot to register her last year, picked but nasty injury this year. Get well soon, Sarah!
by Sarah Connolly on Oct 1, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
nice call :D
I think she’s hard to beat on this one, really. Do you think she’d come back and chat as world champion? That would be bomby.
She'd have to smile on the podium then though
I think she may have used up her 2 smiles/year already?
A few team by team thoughts
Netherlands:
Serious Finishers: Marianne Vos, Annemiek Van Vleuten, Kirsten Wild
Marianne Vos has been the favourite for the last few years, but there’s also been a pretty clear plan to beat her: burn off her teammates and then take it in turns to attack her, seee Guderzo and Cantele last year in Mendrisio last year, Emma J, Judith Arndt and Nicole Cooke the year before in Varese. But it’s really hard to see that working this year with the emergence of Annemiek Van Vleuten who is not only almost as good as Vos, but is almost as good as her in the same sort of hilly races. The sort of hills that we’ve seen this week in Geelong. So if there’s no point in trying to burn off the Dutch, how about taking it easy and going for the sprint? Nice idea, but Kirsten Wild is one of the two top sprinters in the world, even though Teutenberg has a few more victories when they go head to head. We’re not looking at anything like the 2009, who’s coming second to Cav, situation, if Kirsten makes it over the hills then she could easily end up in the rainbow jersey.
Having said that, Vos really wants to win again. She passed over doing the time trial and surely teammate Loes Gunnewijk owes her something for helping her to win the national championship. The biggest threat could be if another team gets someone half decent into the early break, say Charlotte Becker, Lizzie Armitstead or Vicki Whitelaw. Much more likely is that the Dutch take control and try to burn off everyone else.
by Monty. on Oct 1, 2010 12:32 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
(did you mean Fab-not-Cav?)
Agreed – this year will be a whole new game for the Netherlands – they have this massive step up, and enough riders to have (eg) Annemiek + Loes or Chantal up in a break, with enough riders able to support Vos if needs be.
by Sarah Connolly on Oct 1, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Germany
Serious Finishers: Judith Arndt, Ina-Yoko Teutenberg
If it comes to a sprint then Teutenberg wins. That’s a pretty good reason why no-one will let this race end in a sprint, but it’s not that easy to shake her off. Ina rode the Australian nats earlier this year and was out in a break by herself for quite some time. Ok there’s a bit of a difference between a domestic Aussie field and a Worlds field, but the Germans best chance of a win could lie in keeping her in the main field holding an I’m-not-suffering-no-no-no face for as long as possible before suddenly keeling over two laps from the end then Arndt, Trixi Worrack and Charlotte Becker might be able to pull off something between themselves. Arndt is the only one of those with any sort of chance of outsprinting Vos, but if either of the two latter get away then they might be able to hold out to the end, or at least force a serious chase.
by Monty. on Oct 1, 2010 1:01 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Arndt road Aussie Nationals..
and went off on her own, for a hard session.. she has spent a lot of time here training & has ridden the course a lot….
I like bikes!!!
Bec*
by Bec on Oct 1, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Italy
Serious Finishers: Tatiana Guderzo, Noemi Cantele, Giorgia Bronzini
This course is flatter than Mendrisio, so it could be that Bronzini is kept to the end to fight out the finish, but even so I can’t see their tactics being any different than last year, namely make it hard and save Guderzo and Cantele to fight out the finale.But I also can’t see that tactic working to drop either Vos or Van Vleuten, and they are a far stronger looking pair. The Italians have got the deepest team, and when some of the youngsters like Berlato, Patuzzo and Callovi get a couple more years experience then they can pretty much form their own mini Cervelo. Just not this year.
by Monty. on Oct 1, 2010 1:59 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Not sold on Guderzo for this one
I think she’s too climby. But you never know, and they are formidable together.
My take on GB tactics
We’re lucky because although we don’t have as many strong riders as nations like the Neds, Italy and Germany, arguably our 3 strongest have been riding together for Cervélo, and have been the core of some great racing all year. Armitstead can both work her socks off to pilot Emma to the bottom of the hill, and gain ack lost climbing-time in her descents – and if it does go bunchy, she’s got a good sprint on her. Laws was Pooley’s climbing partner for l’Aude, and all the other hilly races when she wasn’t injured (I wish she hadn’t crashed out of the Giro – they would have been so strong together) – and although it happened before we had tv, in Plouay (roughly similar to this course?) they attacked together, causing everyone else to waste energy chasing, because they are very complementary riders. And Emma Pooley is Emma Pooley – Plouay was amazing for her kick – and whereas last year we’d be saying her weakness was descending and the flat, in the ITT, she gained more time on the descent and the flat than she did on the climb…
The thing that may change things, though, is Cooke, and the team dynamics. British Cycling have been supporting Cooke all year, and my fear is that they’ll ask the team to ride for her, in the same way they wasted out 9 (NINE!!!) men last year riding for Millar, even after he’d crashed/machanical-ed, whatever – and we just don’t know Nicole’s form. She’s struggled this year…. but 2008 is a great example of how an in-form Nicole, supported by the 3 Cervélos, is crazy-strong.
The thing to do to try to beat Pooley would be to crowd her, especially on the descents, and try to make her nervous, as she really is allergic to the peloton. But I’m not sure that the other teams would do this – because the peloton’s smaller, they seem much closer than the men (I guess some of the crazy places they stay brings out the cameraderie…) – and this would be a dodgy tactic anyway…
GB
Serious Finishers: Emma Pooley, Nicole Cooke
The two big questions here are Nicole Cooke’s from and Nicole Cooke’s ego. Emma has been on fire this year and like Jens says above, I can easily see her getting a decent gap on that second climb after the bridge then TTing her way to the end. Remember that she got more time over everyone else in the TT on ther flat bits and the descent than she got on the hills. Nicole is then kept back for if it should come down to a sprint. Send someone minor out in the early break just to watch it (half the early break in the women’s race is normally there to watch it so it never gets anywhere), then give Sharon the job of making sure Emma stays in the pack and doesn’t try to sit out on one side by herself as she does far too often. Nicole can then just hang on in case it comes to a sprint. If it comes to a head to head sprint with Vos, I’d rather have Nicole doing it than Lizzie Armitstead, especially after so many hills.
by Monty. on Oct 1, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
And if they screw that up
the team costume is just perfect for doing this routine
think they might have Lizzie in a break
again
"What happened in British Cycling, a lot of people doubted me. I've come back, got this victory, and done it my way." - Adam Blythe after his first pro win at Circuit Franco Belge
I so feel for Emma on the hatred of pack riding...
…I really do. But I think keeping her from burning herself up trying to stay with the race but not in the pack is critical.
Do we kow for sure what time the race starts yet?
I can’t go to bed until I know what time to set the alarm for!
The pain! The pain!
But this is the first race we’ll get to see from start-to-finish…. I have to do it all!
by Sarah Connolly on Oct 1, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
BBC showing it all?
If you are relying on webfeeds you should probably prepare yourself for the risk that there is no vid until Sporza kicks in. Let’s hope we get to see all of it though.
BBC have this red button thingy
that gives them extra channels (I’m sure all digital tv has it, but it’s “the red button” here) – they’re telling us they’re showing it all (althoug possibly only ifor satellite/cable people) and also streaming it all I think – but georestricted.
by Sarah Connolly on Oct 1, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
(we got the men’s & women’s ITT right from the very, very start, & they’re advertising it as starting at 4… they’re usually much more reliable about that kind of thing than E/sport…)
by Sarah Connolly on Oct 1, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
No, also web & freeview, according to their schedule.
They might do the first laps minus commentary, like the Olympics which would be a blessed relief but might not keep me awake.
"What happened in British Cycling, a lot of people doubted me. I've come back, got this victory, and done it my way." - Adam Blythe after his first pro win at Circuit Franco Belge
Not great tactics thus far.
Came in knackered, have laid on settee doing nothing for three hours & now am waking up again!
I’ll probably go to bed for a bit. But since you can’t bank sleep not for a while yet!
"What happened in British Cycling, a lot of people doubted me. I've come back, got this victory, and done it my way." - Adam Blythe after his first pro win at Circuit Franco Belge
HTFU
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me?
you must be kidding… professional wuss
"What happened in British Cycling, a lot of people doubted me. I've come back, got this victory, and done it my way." - Adam Blythe after his first pro win at Circuit Franco Belge
Do you get paid for that?
it seems like a good job to take up.
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well, they pay me for something or other
Not always quite sure what. Today it seemed to be some evil combination of agony aunt & heating engineer but…
"What happened in British Cycling, a lot of people doubted me. I've come back, got this victory, and done it my way." - Adam Blythe after his first pro win at Circuit Franco Belge
otherwise Raisport 2 are starting at 3:45
and they’re a lot better at the pronunciation
It's just the pleasure of watching it on a proper tv
once in a while, rather than squinting at the laptop. Even if I have to put my fingers in my ears.
"What happened in British Cycling, a lot of people doubted me. I've come back, got this victory, and done it my way." - Adam Blythe after his first pro win at Circuit Franco Belge
Plus, it's now traditional to mock the Porter!
by Sarah Connolly on Oct 1, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
but if he starts blathering about Connie bloody Carpenter...
"What happened in British Cycling, a lot of people doubted me. I've come back, got this victory, and done it my way." - Adam Blythe after his first pro win at Circuit Franco Belge
nothing against Connie, I hasten to add
but I was secretly hoping Taylor Phinney didn’t do anything so that Hugh Porter wouldn’t remember the only non-British woman rider he’s ever heard of
"What happened in British Cycling, a lot of people doubted me. I've come back, got this victory, and done it my way." - Adam Blythe after his first pro win at Circuit Franco Belge
Monty!
Will you be screenshotting? If we catch enough, will you be doing an account-of-the-race article in screenshots?? Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease! I loved your ones in the Giro!
Sweden
Serious Finishers: Emma Johansson
Emma will be in the top ten, no doubt, but whereabouts will depend on luck. Not that there’s anything bad about the team mates she’s got, Emilia Fahlin, Sara Mustonen and Marie Lindberg are all reasonably strong, but there might not be enough of them. The team plan is simply going to be making sure that Emma gets to those last crucial laps reasonably unscarred.
by Monty. on Oct 1, 2010 5:15 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Other Serious Finishers
Olga Zabelinskaya perhaps? I can’t really think of anyone else. The US have Evie Stevens who has the strength to make it to the end but not the kick to win, and Shelley Evans who has that kick but won’t be there. The Aussies will probably be riding for Ruth Corset who is more of a stage racer, Edita Pucinskaite of Lithuania is still good, just not as good as she was when she won her Rainbows. Have I missed anyone else out?
by Monty. on Oct 1, 2010 5:26 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Grace V?
You mentioned her upthread, anyway….
by Sarah Connolly on Oct 1, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I just can't see that
“you chase” “No, it’s your turn” thing happening again, especially if the Dutch, the Italians, teh Germans and the Brits have two each up the front of the race.
*sigh* for Shelly.
I would so love to see her do something here, but I’m fairly sure you’re right.
Reserving my right to gloat later
You’re all gonna feel pretty silly for ignoring Shelley.
"It was getting colder and colder as we went up. About halfway up, I started to go a little backwards and as I passed Thor he looked at me and said, "If you lose my wheel I will smash you." I took his wheel and found an extra gear." João Correia
Oooh, I like how you think.
She has the speed for the finish, but hmm, against Teute and Vos? Big ask.
bah
"It was getting colder and colder as we went up. About halfway up, I started to go a little backwards and as I passed Thor he looked at me and said, "If you lose my wheel I will smash you." I took his wheel and found an extra gear." João Correia
Pigeons and Monty
yall are the shiz(that’s a good thing). I don’t follow womens cycling much but I am happy PdC is not restricting itself to only mens cycling and allowing us womens cycling noobs to learn more. Look forward to the race.
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What Phil said - Thanks to you and Monty!
I don’t have the time to follow womens cycling much, but am really happy it’s becoming a regular thing here at the good ol’ PdC.
Hello!
we are a wacky and creepy bunch of people but we promise not to harm.
(watch out for the Swedes though)
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Thank you
Thanks everyone – have to say pigeons converted me and hopefully none of you are as scary as some of the people on other boards.
Comment about Swedes noted although find it hard to believe that any of them are scary from prior experience .
Only scary if you are a Becco or a squirrel
you should be safe.
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When the beccos go extinct, I think he's moving on to Marmottes
…don’t tell Albertina.
As long as my becco farm is up and running they are in the clear
and to make sure the Swedes don’t get to them I have a bunch of Norwegian wannabe Vikings guarding the pen.
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We are never scary.
Just… welll… loopy :D
Glad to have your here, for sure. More is better, especially when it comes to women’s racing. Yay!
Speaking of Swedes
apparently the highlight of Danish TV this evening was:
Michael & Mie danser samba til “Macarena” af Los del Rio
He started off with pelvic thrusts two weeks ago, last week she came on and flashed her bum at him, and now the Macarena. I hope the actual clip gets posted on line soon
ask
"What happened in British Cycling, a lot of people doubted me. I've come back, got this victory, and done it my way." - Adam Blythe after his first pro win at Circuit Franco Belge
And...Its Race Day!!
Roads sufficiently painted… in prime position @ top of the nasty f@#k of a climb…
I am so excited! & nervous!
Lets go!!
I like bikes!!!
Bec*
And its race day.....
boy I wish I was in Oz; instead I am curled up under a duvet trying to stay awake ….. however underneath the tiredness I am also very excited!!!!
oh..they will be in PAIN!!
It is nasty!!
Its been awesome here! Yesterday, I went for breakfast down the coast to torquay, only to have the entire German mens team join me! And then, Gustav Larsson and some other Saxo Bank friends.. amazing!
It is a cracker of a day here in G-Town!! Not a cloud in the sky! This is going to be EPIC!!
ENJOY everyone!
I like bikes!!!
Bec*

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