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Vuelta a España Stage 10 ........ LIVE

 

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Tarragona - Vilanova i la Geltrú 175,7 Km

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The Muur is my bitch--Albertina

by majope on Sep 7, 2010 7:03 AM EDT reply actions  

let's get the important things over with first.

Lasagne, salad, and a nice cup o’ tea

Gora Euskaltel! Sorte on azenarioak!

by Albertina on Sep 7, 2010 7:12 AM EDT reply actions  

LOL

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 7:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Any reason for either besides likely exhaustion?

"Oh man, it’s going to take days to kill all these people!"

by lieutenantmudd on Sep 7, 2010 7:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Stuey and mountains... he's had a big season...and I think he's ready for a rest before the Worlds...

But of course I’m ridiculously biased :)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 7:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Andy is beyond helping Frank at this point

"Oh man, it’s going to take days to kill all these people!"

by lieutenantmudd on Sep 7, 2010 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Family troubles brewing perhaps.

At least Andy managed to provide his teammates with bottles of water on the last stage.

by Uphill on Sep 7, 2010 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

that should be interesting

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Sep 7, 2010 7:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, polemica

Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...

by TheFigurehead on Sep 7, 2010 7:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whoa.

The Muur is my bitch--Albertina

by majope on Sep 7, 2010 7:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh no! Stuey? I'm crushed :(

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Finally the cracks are stating to show.

Luckily for Riis, he did manage to keep the hole thing together during the TdF.

by Uphill on Sep 7, 2010 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wowee!

Gora Euskaltel! Sorte on azenarioak!

by Albertina on Sep 7, 2010 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Andy says
“I acknowledge that I have broken a rule on the team by going out for a drink after dinner and for that reason Bjarne has decided to send myself and Stuart O’Grady home.”

“I’m responsible for my actions and even though I think it is too harsh a decision, I respect that Bjarne is the boss and he needs to do what he thinks is the best.”

“I was getting back into shape and I would really have liked to stay at the Vuelta and help Frank and the rest of Team Saxobank.”

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/updated-andy-schleck-ogrady-removed-from-vuelta

by Sarah Connolly on Sep 7, 2010 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

So Seahorse was right--it was for drinking.

Too bad he’s not on Liqui…where’s that pic of the whole team sitting around with beers?

The Muur is my bitch--Albertina

by majope on Sep 7, 2010 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly... not at all surprised... but if it is the only reason Riis is being petty

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cyclingfans twitter
Shared hotel w/France A/B teams at l’Avenir over the weekend; I think they boot riders if they DON’T have after dinner drink

by tgsgirl on Sep 7, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rules are rules though

Riis may be being petty, but I bet Andy would have been pissed if his teammates were out at the pub during his efforts to win the TdF. I’d be enraged if I was Frank. If he seriously wants to win this thing, he will need all the help he can get.

"Thanks again, Floyd Landis, Yellow Jersey Wearer: Nuisance Category"

by PopUp Rolen on Sep 7, 2010 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Even if they broke the rules, and if it's enough to warrant exclusion.

This is not the way to handle this. An immediate press release to explain why they’re being booted is the least they can do. Now they just let it hang, which immediately makes people jump to “doping!” conclusions. I bet he wouldn’t have done it this way if they were both staying with him.

by tgsgirl on Sep 7, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I must admit that doping didn't occur to me for a second... naive I know,

but I realise I appear to be one of the few. So yes, I definitely want Riis to say what’s happening..

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, it's a terrible way for Riis to handle the situation

But, the only person that was really wronged here is Frank. His bro and friend were obviously not taking their brother’s quest for red serious enough to follow team rules.

Personally, i think it’s ridiculous to kick someone out for having a drink, but rules are rules for the team.

"Thanks again, Floyd Landis, Yellow Jersey Wearer: Nuisance Category"

by PopUp Rolen on Sep 7, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

heh, Riis boot someone for doping?

I mean, Frank got away with his “diet sheets” and “exercise plans”, no? (and even for his total stupidity of paying for stuff out of his own ank account!)

by Sarah Connolly on Sep 7, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have no qualms speculating

that this is a move perpetrated by Riis as a sort of dressing down for two riders leaving his team. But, rules are rules…yes they are, and if Andy was in the lead it wouldn’t have happened. Riis didn’t handle Sastre’s departure well at all, and i expect him to handle Andy’s departure pretty badly of course. I’m probably gonna be told I’m off base with these remarks, but I believe the decision was fueled by personal feelings, and that’s not a stretch at all.

"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"

by agl on Sep 7, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Team Liquigas drinking half-litre San Miguel beers

Ceci n'est pas une signature.

by tedvdw on Sep 7, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Civilised :)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is that the reason? Or is that the excuse?

"Oh man, it’s going to take days to kill all these people!"

by lieutenantmudd on Sep 7, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's Stuey..it's a drink!

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not only one drink, they got drunk.

I don’t think it is very professionnally to go out and get drunk when you are in the middel of a GT, but then I don’t ride a bike, and know nothing about what it is to be a professional bike rider, but I do know that at my work they do not like it if people turn up with a hangover after a night in the city and they have serius work to do.

by LittleOldLady on Sep 7, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

How do you know they got drunk?

Either way, sounds like Haussler would’ve fitted right in at Team Lux ;)

by tgsgirl on Sep 7, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Danish press

different danish press sourses have the story about a big night out.

by LittleOldLady on Sep 7, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

But again it is Danish press

and they are not always to be trusted, so it may be best to wait for Riis to explain.

by LittleOldLady on Sep 7, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

According to Andy

It was two beers. Though they went back to the hotel at 1 o’clock, which perhaps is a bit too late. And Bjarne saw them, because he was sitting in another bar at the time.

Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...

by TheFigurehead on Sep 7, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Petty... and fancy suggesting Stuey would be drunk on two beers.. beyond the pale!

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Two beers for Andy

probaly translates as s/th completely different for Stuey!

by Sarah Connolly on Sep 7, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

It must be nice to know for the future domestics on team Lux

that it is absolutly ok to go out and have a few drinks while you are riding the TdF :)

by LittleOldLady on Sep 7, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

It seems from Twitter and blogs that many do drink beer at the end of a stage...

Remember Cance last year after the second TT when Contador won?

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I get that he's not racing

but kind of hypocritical of Riis, I really question his leadership at times.

"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"

by agl on Sep 7, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Getting drunk is a different matter...

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would assume they were poaching Saxo riders

Or spending their time talking Team Lux business.

"Oh man, it’s going to take days to kill all these people!"

by lieutenantmudd on Sep 7, 2010 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hadn't even thought of that!

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

My first thoughts were doping or Lux business

very glad to hear it’s not the first.

The Muur is my bitch--Albertina

by majope on Sep 7, 2010 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope they poach KAA back... I know he's not there..

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 7:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sigh... i want all the boys in the band back together...

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...

by TheFigurehead on Sep 7, 2010 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just realized

That in programming pi might be a float. Which could be interpreted as if I just added a pie floater. I hope I’m wrong.

Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...

by TheFigurehead on Sep 7, 2010 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent

From now on I will assume they don’t really exist.

Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...

by TheFigurehead on Sep 7, 2010 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nor have I thank goodness... does it exist outside South Australia?

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

and by South Australia

you mean Drongo’s place?

Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...

by TheFigurehead on Sep 7, 2010 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, I think he lives in Victoria...

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, right

The state that is to the south-east of South Australia. You people don’t handle directions very well.

Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...

by TheFigurehead on Sep 7, 2010 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

What does 'Victoria' have to do with directions?

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think you got my point

Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...

by TheFigurehead on Sep 7, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Frank not involved though?

Or did he get a pass b/c he stiil has a chance for the GC?

by celerity on Sep 7, 2010 7:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Even less so now... Frank's punishment is to ride..

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 7:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree.

Could be a little revenge move by Riis.

by Uphill on Sep 7, 2010 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

He seems to do grudges well, which is a pity.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt Frank would be involved.

He’s too busy losing the Vuelta.

(In seriousness, I think it’s hard to focus on a top GC place with divided attention. He is probably just riding. Andy on the other hand has plenty of time in the autobus…)

"Oh man, it’s going to take days to kill all these people!"

by lieutenantmudd on Sep 7, 2010 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's what I suspect too.

“Come on Spartacus, Conti is no fun and you know it!”

by tgsgirl on Sep 7, 2010 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't blame them

it’s not like the team is trying or anything…Maybe Riis should lay out a better strategy for team success.

"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"

by agl on Sep 7, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.

(this in reply to the Nys beer picture, but the picture gets cropped because too far on the right of the screen)
That Nys picture is brilliant :)

by tgsgirl on Sep 7, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

What's next for Andy?

Worlds? Lombardia? Nothing?

Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...

by TheFigurehead on Sep 7, 2010 7:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not Worlds.

The Muur is my bitch--Albertina

by majope on Sep 7, 2010 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think Cance is going either

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

to the worlds? i thought cance wanted to win both this year?

of course, he did say that if his form wasn’t all there, then he wouldn’t bother.

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Sep 7, 2010 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

There was an interview a week or so at Velo I think... he said he really wasn't sure about going.

I don’t think he will personally.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Me too... I want to, but I may be working the summer session as well and I have HSC marking...

I can’t believe it..

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

My eyeballs are bleeding already... and marking online sucks!

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I mean Velonation

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Riis pulled Andy Schleck at the Vuelta

I doubt the relationship can be repaired before the next few races.

by Uphill on Sep 7, 2010 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

ES a bit later today

Because of snooker. That doesn’t bode well.

Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...

by TheFigurehead on Sep 7, 2010 7:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Oh no...not snooker :(

Gora Euskaltel! Sorte on azenarioak!

by Albertina on Sep 7, 2010 7:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

restated

Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...

by TheFigurehead on Sep 7, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

'lo strangers

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Sep 7, 2010 7:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Where have you been... hello :)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 7:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

busy busy weekend...

saturday eye exam and glasses, and used the rollator instead of the power chair. LOTS of standing. so that was during the race.

sunday, a day behind on the race, and on and off the phone to hubby while he was out grocery shopping (part 1).

monday, finishing catching up on the race, and cooking three batches of baby back ribs to go into freezer, cleaning/macerating 1st half of strawberries for the freezer.

so far this am, did the 1st half of the remaining berries. later today, batch up the ribs to go into the freezer, finishing cleaning the berries, and while that is going on, cooking the salmon fillets for the rest of the week.

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Sep 7, 2010 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Okay.. now I know..

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

i's exhausted

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Sep 7, 2010 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

hey, bruce.

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Sep 7, 2010 7:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

o/f: conta to ride tour and vuelta next year (yes!). here's hoping giro and tour and 2012.

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Sep 7, 2010 7:31 AM EDT reply actions  

prob, if i know ursula

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Sep 7, 2010 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely.

they all spend countless hours at the Cafe getting inspiration.

by Uphill on Sep 7, 2010 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

so, he'll have to start his season later. i'm hoping he does pn, pv, ardennes, cdd, tdf, ve, gdl next year

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Sep 7, 2010 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

and, further o/t: nfl season starts in two days. booyah!

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Sep 7, 2010 7:31 AM EDT reply actions  

GC Top 17 (odd number, I know)

1 Igor Anton (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi 37:56:42
2 Joaquin Rodriguez (Spa) Team Katusha
3 Vincenzo Nibali (Ita) Liquigas-Doimo 0:00:02
4 Xavier Tondo (Spa) Cervélo Test Team 0:00:42
5 Jean-Christophe Peraud (Fra) Omega Pharma-Lotto 0:00:52
6 Ruben Plaza (Spa) Caisse d’Epargne 0:01:15
7 Ezequiel Mosquera (Spa) Xacobeo Galicia 0:01:18
8 Nicolas Roche (Irl) Ag2R-La Mondiale 0:01:19
9 Marzio Bruseghin (Ita) Caisse d’Epargne 0:01:22
10 Peter Velits (Svk) Team HTC-Columbia 0:01:26
11 Tejay Van Garderen (USA) Team HTC-Columbia
12 Rigoberto Uran (Col) Caisse d’Epargne 0:01:38
13 Frank Schleck (Lux) Team Saxo Bank 0:01:47
14 Tom Danielson (USA) Garmin-Transitions 0:01:52
15 Philippe Gilbert (Bel) Omega Pharma-Lotto 0:01:55
16 Vladimir Karpets (Rus) Team Katusha 0:01:57
17 Carlos Sastre (Spa) Cervélo Test Team 0:02:11

Van Garderen and Velits are still hanging pretty after the rest day. Impressive. Menchov seems lost, but with a new contract who can blame him.
Roche seems to crawl into contention again. Is he a real permanent top 10 rider in GT’s?

by Uphill on Sep 7, 2010 7:34 AM EDT reply actions  

That added to the loss,

but he was already down from earlier stages. Perhaps he is also a “one per season” rider.

by Uphill on Sep 7, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Meh

Difference between him and Anton after stage 7 was 1:01 (of which 9" from the TTT), after stage 8 it was 3:16 min.

Ceci n'est pas une signature.

by tedvdw on Sep 7, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

crash

GARCIA ACOSTA José Vicente suffered a fall while riding at the front of the race. The breakaway was formed by 12 riders. Followed by other 11.

by Bruce Suomi on Sep 7, 2010 7:53 AM EDT reply actions  

just zipping along there

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Sep 7, 2010 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I went to Tarragona once.

It was stiflingly hot, and we were the only people stupid enough to be out in the midday sun, trapsing around the Roman ruins. It took us about an hour to find somewhere for lunch. I also remember a massive organ with HUGE painted shutters on the front.

Gora Euskaltel! Sorte on azenarioak!

by Albertina on Sep 7, 2010 8:10 AM EDT reply actions  

'Mad dogs and Englishmen'?

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Something like that.

I remember one of our number wearing a panama and a little neckerchief….‘LOOK AT ME! I’M AN ENGLISHMAN!’

Gora Euskaltel! Sorte on azenarioak!

by Albertina on Sep 7, 2010 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here's the

organ

Gora Euskaltel! Sorte on azenarioak!

by Albertina on Sep 7, 2010 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I knew as soon as I hit post that saying that was a bad idea ;)

Thankfully it escaped majope….!

Gora Euskaltel! Sorte on azenarioak!

by Albertina on Sep 7, 2010 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was suprised

that I was the first with an appropriate reply!

You really left yourself open to it (phnarr!)

by Sarah Connolly on Sep 7, 2010 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

With you onboard...?

Gora Euskaltel! Sorte on azenarioak!

by Albertina on Sep 7, 2010 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

nah, that's skippy's purviiew

(o/t: google’s home page is gonna drive me batty today)

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Sep 7, 2010 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

What, with the flying balls?

The .com page doesn’t have that for me, neither .nl; only saw it on .co.uk.

Ceci n'est pas une signature.

by tedvdw on Sep 7, 2010 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Me neither. Stephen Fry mentioned it but I don't see any.

Maybe I’m going crazy. Though “not seeing random flying balls” sounds healthy to me.

by tgsgirl on Sep 7, 2010 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

put your cursor over "google". otherwise, consider yourself lucky.

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Sep 7, 2010 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nope, nada

Gora Euskaltel! Sorte on azenarioak!

by Albertina on Sep 7, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

lucky you

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Sep 7, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

there's a different type of view?

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Sep 7, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

For some reason, it was on iGoogle

which I don’t even use.

The Muur is my bitch--Albertina

by majope on Sep 7, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess

it depends on whether you are signed in or not. I am signed in on .nl and .com (no balls) but not on .co.uk (balls galore).

Ceci n'est pas une signature.

by tedvdw on Sep 7, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Me neither

But I guess it’s some sort of birthday celebration. And there’s a YouTube video.

Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...

by TheFigurehead on Sep 7, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

i don't know. usually you can put the cursor over "google" and it gives an explanation. today, not so much.

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Sep 7, 2010 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

sounds like we have a break:

BONNAFOND Guillaume, FOFONOV Dmitriy, PAURIOL Rémi, CAZAUX Pierre, ZABRISKIE David and NIERMANN Grischa have 10 seconds

by Bruce Suomi on Sep 7, 2010 8:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Go, DZ!

The Muur is my bitch--Albertina

by majope on Sep 7, 2010 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Katusha at the front

Rodriguez for sprint bonuses?

by Grzdylu on Sep 7, 2010 8:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Bah

Gora Euskaltel! Sorte on azenarioak!

by Albertina on Sep 7, 2010 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

more attacks

There are constant attack. There are 20 riders leading the pack. Everyone wants to be in the breakaway of the day.

by Bruce Suomi on Sep 7, 2010 8:24 AM EDT reply actions  

VN on Andy & Stuey

Well, it apparently did involve a banned substance. It appears that Schleck and O’Grady went out for a drink last night. Riis isn’t too keen on that.

by Bruce Suomi on Sep 7, 2010 8:26 AM EDT reply actions  

sprint

 1st CAVENDISH Mark, 2nd FARRAR Tyler and 3rd RODRIGUEZ OLIVER Joaquin.
J-Rod in red

by Bruce Suomi on Sep 7, 2010 8:28 AM EDT reply actions  

BAAAAAH!

Actually, that may be a good thing for Igor in the long run

Gora Euskaltel! Sorte on azenarioak!

by Albertina on Sep 7, 2010 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Go J-Rod.

That’s the way to win races. Man, I could become a fan.

by Uphill on Sep 7, 2010 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's understandable

If it was Spanish beer. But anyway, sometimes you have to ask yourself What would Preben Elkjær do?

Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...

by TheFigurehead on Sep 7, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

No way that was the entire reason

Unless they drank a lot. Than I could see Riis getting pissed.

"Oh man, it’s going to take days to kill all these people!"

by lieutenantmudd on Sep 7, 2010 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Then the best punishment would be making them ride.

Maybe Riis is just being dickish about them leaving.

The Muur is my bitch--Albertina

by majope on Sep 7, 2010 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

It looks that way at the moment... major dummy spit..

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"

by agl on Sep 7, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe Andy and Stuey were flaunting their breaking of the team rules.

    And didn’t give Bjarne a choice. What will these guys do next year or two if their team mates decide they know what’s best and team rules be damned?

by flying dog on Sep 7, 2010 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Stuey flaunting... hard to imagine..

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

finally there is a break

KADRI Biel, MORENO BAZAN Javier, ERVITI Imanol, ZINGLE Romain, CHEULA Giampaolo, LE MEVEL Christophe, MORI Manuele, FINETTO Mauro, GILBERT Philippe, VAN AVERMAET Greg, TEN DAM Laurens and LUND Anders.

by Bruce Suomi on Sep 7, 2010 8:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Go LTD!

The Muur is my bitch--Albertina

by majope on Sep 7, 2010 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cav is still in red

Jens! doesn’t have a shadow because he dropped it repeatedly until it retired, climbing into the CSC team car and claiming a stomach ailment.

by dees ees en drama on Sep 7, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cav in red?

Red is the leader of the GC.

by tgsgirl on Sep 7, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh. Oops.

nvm…

Jens! doesn’t have a shadow because he dropped it repeatedly until it retired, climbing into the CSC team car and claiming a stomach ailment.

by dees ees en drama on Sep 7, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Holy schmoley Philippe Gilbert!

"Not a great entertainer is young Edvald" - Bradley Wiggins

by Troygirl on Sep 7, 2010 8:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Oh yes, poor boy's had a rough week :(

Hope he’s doing better!

Gora Euskaltel! Sorte on azenarioak!

by Albertina on Sep 7, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

My moment of fame yesterday

was when he liked my sore throat cure better!

I hope he drank 3 and rides like a young god today!

by Sarah Connolly on Sep 7, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

He did! He mentioned yours in a tweet!

Mine was lots of honey & juice of a lemon in hot water, with a bit of fresh ginger if there was some around.

by Sarah Connolly on Sep 7, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did he? I missed that!

Gora Euskaltel! Sorte on azenarioak!

by Albertina on Sep 7, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

well, he mentioned it

when he was laughing about all the booze-based cures people were offering & asking for non-alcohol-based ones – I’m sure he mentioned brandy in there, which I took to mean he’s read yours! He didn’t actually reply to me, but he re-tweeted it, which I’m taking as liking it!

(what am I, 13 years old, talking about some pop star? Hehe!)

by Sarah Connolly on Sep 7, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, I'm the same!

Oh a retweet is certainly a stamp of approval ;)

Gora Euskaltel! Sorte on azenarioak!

by Albertina on Sep 7, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

good morning folks

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Sep 7, 2010 8:59 AM EDT reply actions  

O/T Sports stars and scandals goes hand in hand

Other than doping cycling seems pretty tame compared to other sports when it comes to scandals. We have a bit of coke here and there and perhaps the odd drink, but football (read soccer) level scandals are very rare. With more money flowing into the top cyclists bank accounts, we could see more god like behaviour in the future. Just an observation. No finger pointing.

by Uphill on Sep 7, 2010 9:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Yes, agree.

Plus, the bicyclists never get it quite right – Boonen gets caught for speeding at 200km/hr and it’s a little station wagon, not a Ferrari, Cav slapping Thor with a white glove behind the scenes at the 2009 Tour – there’s always element of pathos, comedy usually with the bike scandals. Bjarne kicked them off because they wouldn’t drink with him?

Andy half-assed the Vuelta last year, too – okay his team situation in 2010, yes, but now 2 years in a row – he is very strong-willed about his career, and seems he feels entitled to ride the autobus when he likes, but okay yes maybe the team situation is disintegrating, somehow.

Grab a few beers on an off day of a GT, next day sweat it out in the autobus. The life!

by rubesANdbabes on Sep 7, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Totally off topic, but Belgium' team for the world champs is out

Aerts-Bakelants-De Volder-De Weert-Gilbert-Leukemans-Roelandts-V.Avermaet-Willems

by tgsgirl on Sep 7, 2010 9:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Oh, do you know the women?

Assuming it’s Verbeke-de Vocht – Decroix-Henrion

by Sarah Connolly on Sep 7, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do.

Decroix-De Vocht-De Vuyst-Henrion-Verbeke

U23 = De Vreese-Eijssen-V.Overberghe-Vermote-Wallays
No Keuki-whatsit.

by tgsgirl on Sep 7, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why not Keukeleire?

Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...

by TheFigurehead on Sep 7, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I read an article not too long ago

About Keukeleire, it said that he was allowed to ride. Apparently the rule only applies to ProTour teams.

Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...

by TheFigurehead on Sep 7, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

This article

at Velonation.

Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...

by TheFigurehead on Sep 7, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ah right, that makes sense

Gora Euskaltel! Sorte on azenarioak!

by Albertina on Sep 7, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Combination of out of shape and the course not being as sprinty as thought at first, I imagine.

He was going to ride L’Avenir as prep, he even got special permission from Cofidis to do so, but he’s not there because the race was too mountainous.

by tgsgirl on Sep 7, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, okay

Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...

by TheFigurehead on Sep 7, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who's the highest placed breakaway at the moment?

Jens! doesn’t have a shadow because he dropped it repeatedly until it retired, climbing into the CSC team car and claiming a stomach ailment.

by dees ees en drama on Sep 7, 2010 9:56 AM EDT reply actions  

The Break.............

91 Le Mével (FRA, FDJ) +6:36
158 L. ten Dam (NED, RAB) +6:39
25 J. Moreno (SPA, ACA) +16:14
138 Van Avermaet (BEL, OLO) +21:12
117 Man. Mori (ITA, LAM) +33:01
122 Finetto (ITA, LIQ) +36:23
16 Kadri (FRA, ALM) +38:14
53 Erviti (SPA, GCE) +38:23
69 Zingle (BEL, COF) +42:40
201 Lund (DEN, SAX) +54:42
83 Cheula (ITA, FOT) +1:02:13

If I wanted to get shit small wins, I'd race shit small races (Cavendish on Greipel)

by singhstax on Sep 7, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently Andy and Stuey ran into Riis

on their way home from having a drink. Oops.

by Jens on Sep 7, 2010 10:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Riis was at the bar :)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

"we just had two beers and as we were walking home

at 1 am we met Riis who was sitting at another bar"

by Jens on Sep 7, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

If they were at a bar, they deserve to be sent home.

Their teammates must be dissapointed and feel shortchanged

Dat was echt een schwalbe!

by pigilito on Sep 7, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps... but honestly it was the hotel bar. A and S were slinking past probably...

It feels like Riis having a fit of pique to me, but perhaps there’s more to it.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cultural differences, maybe?

Some Norwegian football players (soccer) did the same thing a few years ago and were sent straight home. Rules are rules.

"Not a great entertainer is young Edvald" - Bradley Wiggins

by Troygirl on Sep 7, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

i apologise for not reading this :)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Drongo's here too... if they're repeat offenders maybe...

I don’t think they made a good decision, but I think Riis’s response is a tad overwrought. I also don’t always think ‘rules are rules’ and that’s possibly a cultural difference. Even that old Norwegian Lefty Holdenmate wants to hang wrongdoers from the rafters ;)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

O'Grady is a disappointment.

    Taking young Andy down the path of temptation.

by flying dog on Sep 7, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh please.. Andy is a man not a boy.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sold on that :)

I have a feeling he is going to be one of those guys who looks 12 years old well into his 40s

"Thanks again, Floyd Landis, Yellow Jersey Wearer: Nuisance Category"

by PopUp Rolen on Sep 7, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

He might look it, but good grief...

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, please.

    Andy is a scrawny white jersey/young rider. Stuey is the big brother/bad influence.

by flying dog on Sep 7, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

hats off to bad influences then :)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's a stereotype we cherish...often stupidly so

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yesterday on the TV news (in USA)

    There was a story about a young Australian kid who got mauled by a seal at the zoo. Blamed himself for letting the seal sneeze and spray him with fish guts. HTFU.

by flying dog on Sep 7, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Um...ewww

Gora Euskaltel! Sorte on azenarioak!

by Albertina on Sep 7, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't feel sorry for them at all... but I think it's a bit pathetic..

I think the Schlecks are both being punished… Cance was likely to have left soon anyway.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Amen. They broke the rules and should deal with it.

But it sounds as though Riis is being a petulant child about the Schlecks leaving. This all smells of petty revenge to me. Which teammate is getting punished here? Oh, look, another Schleck.

by tgsgirl on Sep 7, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

My thoughts exactly...

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

It all "sounds" and "smells" huh?

An alternative narrative would be that Stuey and Andy, in an obvious display of selfishness, disregarded team rules. Thus giving Riis no other chance than to send them home. Rules that are not enforced will be broken again and again. If their team mates feel wronged then I think they should point the finger at ASSOG, and not at Riis. This is how it “sounds” and “smells” to me. :) Subjectivity, such a wonderful thing.

by Holdenmate on Sep 7, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

When did I ever claim to be giving anything other than my own opinion?

And come on, like it’s first time riders had a beer after the stage. Taking them both out the Vuelta is completely out of proportion, especially if you’re trying to win the race with another rider.

by tgsgirl on Sep 7, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Welcome to Northern Europe.

Here drinking = Excess. Therefore we tend to have strict rules about drinking. I suspect that Liquigas, for example, has more lenient rules when it comes to drinking. Mr K’s openness about it clearly indicates that. I think it’s just a bit strange to come up with these alterior motives theories when it is pretty clear that rules have been broken. This “Riis is the big bad wolf theory” is not doing it for me. Sometimes the riders are the ones to blame. Management get more than their fair share of blame I think.

by Holdenmate on Sep 7, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

That might be the Swedish and Norwegian way of thinking

Not so sure about Denmark. Or Finland.

Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...

by TheFigurehead on Sep 7, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think there are ulterior motives...or I hope there aren't.

You know, I’m disappointed that things are going to end at Saxo this way, and I think that Riis could have found a better way to ‘punish’ them.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was so subtle wasn't I?

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

You can wish for a televised spanking all you want

It’s not going to happen.

I love stars (the large gaseous balls of fiery energy - not the pointless tabloid ones).

by omnevelnihil on Sep 7, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now I'll have nightmares... Andy and Stuey as sex objects!!!

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm here to help

I love stars (the large gaseous balls of fiery energy - not the pointless tabloid ones).

by omnevelnihil on Sep 7, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pass the Valium..

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, but

it IS unfair on the other riders, and on Frank

It’s like the footballers here, whining about not being able to have a beer in the World Cup. If I was paid as much as they are, giving up beer for 3 weeks is not a big difficulty. it’s not like I’m saying they should never drink, but if they don’t like the rules of the game (don’t stay out drinking til 1am on a worknight) they don’t HAVE to be pro-sportsmen

by Sarah Connolly on Sep 7, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

"Subjectivity, such a wonderful thing."

    If we were talking about Garmin the detractors would claim we were all drowning in Kool-aid. ;-)

by flying dog on Sep 7, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yup, a wonderful thing.

I mean, Andy and Stuey could go on to break Saxo rules for years if not stopped now! Oh, wait…

My subjective take: Riis had a choice—enforcement of team rules it totally up to him. Either there’s a lot more we don’t know, or he’s being a dick.

The Muur is my bitch--Albertina

by majope on Sep 7, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Riis was always a dick.

    It was never a secret, Andy and Stuey finally cracked under the pressure and were telling Riis to STFU. Why are people surprised?

by flying dog on Sep 7, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

would this situation happen if those two weren't already gone

It reminds me of the bad blood between sastre and Riis in the 08 vuelta, there is a pattern by Riis; he loves his riders when he can use them, then once they announce they’re gone, he goes out of his way to kick them on the way out. I hate his behavior at the moment, you just can not tell me this doesn’t at least occasionally happen without the same reprecussions.

"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"

by agl on Sep 7, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love it Holden... your left brain works better than it should for an English student...

Do you really like rules or are you just playing?

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

you'd have to know if he's ever closed one eye

or both, before, when people grabbed a beer (assuming they ever did). Could be he’s being an enormous jerk, by coming down hard on them, while having winked at the same behavior in the past.

Not necessarily, though—some teams (even some amateur teams) take the “no drinking / no late nights during competition” very seriously.

by JFS_PGH on Sep 7, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, it must be a cultural difference then

We always blame the ref ;)

I love stars (the large gaseous balls of fiery energy - not the pointless tabloid ones).

by omnevelnihil on Sep 7, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why are we all up late on a work night?

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Poor life decisions

Well, on my part anyway – the rest of you will have to look to your own DS’ for an evaluation of your performance/application of consequences.

I love stars (the large gaseous balls of fiery energy - not the pointless tabloid ones).

by omnevelnihil on Sep 7, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

You don't see anything petty in Riis's behaviour?

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

In his behaviour?

What exactly is the petty part of his behaviour? I see the utter stupidity in Andy’s and Stuey’s behaviour. And this is not about drinking, this is about rules. Have you ever seen The big Lebowski? Rules matter.

by Holdenmate on Sep 7, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mark it zero Dude

This isn’t ’nam.

I love stars (the large gaseous balls of fiery energy - not the pointless tabloid ones).

by omnevelnihil on Sep 7, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Comment of the Vuelta for me, but my heart's on my sleeve anyway..

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't feel like anyone on the team is caring at this point

Frank probably doesn’t have the form, and the rest are just riding for the sake of it. The riders probably would be more pissed at Riis for the personal undertones of his decision.

"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"

by agl on Sep 7, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well some of them were just more pissed..

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

I’ll leave it at “I can’t wait for Team Lux to start up”

"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"

by agl on Sep 7, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I mean 'pissed' as in drinking too much...

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

went right over my head

"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"

by agl on Sep 7, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Had a feeling about that..

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Danish TV just spent about 15 minutes talking about Andy/Stuey being sent home.

They are totally shocked at the complete lack of respect shown to Riis and everything Bjarne has done for them. Pretty harsh words.

Cance gave a short comment that he had talked with Riis about next season but no conclusion reached yet. They will have another talk.

"Not a great entertainer is young Edvald" - Bradley Wiggins

by Troygirl on Sep 7, 2010 10:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Wow

"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"

by agl on Sep 7, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good morning Podium Cafe◄

If I wanted to get shit small wins, I'd race shit small races (Cavendish on Greipel)

by singhstax on Sep 7, 2010 10:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Stuey's been sent home! It's a bad day :)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

dont be upset

its not the end of the Vuelta

If I wanted to get shit small wins, I'd race shit small races (Cavendish on Greipel)

by singhstax on Sep 7, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

It is for Stuey... the Vuelta isn't floating my boat...

I think it’s hard to compare with this year’s Giro in particular..

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps an Australian paid Riis to give Stuey a rest before the Worlds?

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nor me... but I bet Stuey's not unhappy about the rest...

It’s a bugger of a way to finish with a team though..

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

whats the average gradient of this climb

Alto del Rat Penat?

If I wanted to get shit small wins, I'd race shit small races (Cavendish on Greipel)

by singhstax on Sep 7, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL at how terrible that climb and descent is.

He actually said some GC riders could possibly lose more time today than on a stage like tomorrow’s. The road surface is so bad.

"Not a great entertainer is young Edvald" - Bradley Wiggins

by Troygirl on Sep 7, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

its seems like we will see

lots of action in the next 15mins.

If I wanted to get shit small wins, I'd race shit small races (Cavendish on Greipel)

by singhstax on Sep 7, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

12.5 %

"Not a great entertainer is young Edvald" - Bradley Wiggins

by Troygirl on Sep 7, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

a pic from racing in Guyana

a physically challenged rider win this event.

If I wanted to get shit small wins, I'd race shit small races (Cavendish on Greipel)

by singhstax on Sep 7, 2010 10:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Excellent...looks like a beautiful day..

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

if the road is as bad as described

then there are going to be lots of splits, spills and treachery.

If I wanted to get shit small wins, I'd race shit small races (Cavendish on Greipel)

by singhstax on Sep 7, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Peloton about to go batshit-crazy

(Rat penat is catalan for bat apparently)

by Jens on Sep 7, 2010 10:34 AM EDT reply actions  

things I have learnt today

Andy is a two-pot screamer
Stuey is a bad influence, like all Australians
Rules are rules
A fit of pique is indistinguishable from a disinterested application of said rules
When Bjarne spits the dummy, it’s into his own beer
My favourite pie does not exist

by Drongo on Sep 7, 2010 10:35 AM EDT reply actions  

And do you also know where you live now?

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

hey guys please keep me updated

because i have no video today.

If I wanted to get shit small wins, I'd race shit small races (Cavendish on Greipel)

by singhstax on Sep 7, 2010 10:38 AM EDT reply actions  

It's steep

and they are going hard

by Jens on Sep 7, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jens are you describing a sex act?

just kidding, thanks mate.

If I wanted to get shit small wins, I'd race shit small races (Cavendish on Greipel)

by singhstax on Sep 7, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

34 km to go, 1:57 gap.

The Muur is my bitch--Albertina

by majope on Sep 7, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kind of in the way, that ambulance.

"Not a great entertainer is young Edvald" - Bradley Wiggins

by Troygirl on Sep 7, 2010 10:41 AM EDT reply actions  

They are chasing

the break is 2 min ca ahead

by Jens on Sep 7, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh!

Ceci n'est pas une signature.

by tedvdw on Sep 7, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nusport says they are the leaders,

rest of the original break a little behind them.

Ceci n'est pas une signature.

by tedvdw on Sep 7, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry I am an idiot

Le Mevel and Moreno in the lead, they attacked the break

by Jens on Sep 7, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right,

just saw Zingle & Ten Dam appear closely behind them.

Ceci n'est pas une signature.

by tedvdw on Sep 7, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

its not too hard then

If I wanted to get shit small wins, I'd race shit small races (Cavendish on Greipel)

by singhstax on Sep 7, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Vlad has been very Smyzd like this Vuelta

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by PopUp Rolen on Sep 7, 2010 10:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Hey guys

just caught the Penat Rat. I gather the sprinters are nowhere to be seen?

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by Chris Fontecchio on Sep 7, 2010 10:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Benna I think is the closest, bue he's not in the main group

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by PopUp Rolen on Sep 7, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I said sprinters

not “sprinters”

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by Chris Fontecchio on Sep 7, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Point to Chris

I love stars (the large gaseous balls of fiery energy - not the pointless tabloid ones).

by omnevelnihil on Sep 7, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

UNCALLED FOR!!!!!

(Waaaaaaaaah!)

Gora Euskaltel! Sorte on azenarioak!

by Albertina on Sep 7, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Additional point to Chris

I love stars (the large gaseous balls of fiery energy - not the pointless tabloid ones).

by omnevelnihil on Sep 7, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

If it's any consolation the points have even less value in the real world

than my VDS points…

I love stars (the large gaseous balls of fiery energy - not the pointless tabloid ones).

by omnevelnihil on Sep 7, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

No

but his tan is fantastic.

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by Chris Fontecchio on Sep 7, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tan-tastic

Jens! doesn’t have a shadow because he dropped it repeatedly until it retired, climbing into the CSC team car and claiming a stomach ailment.

by dees ees en drama on Sep 7, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bah.

That is all.

Gora Euskaltel! Sorte on azenarioak!

by Albertina on Sep 7, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Van Avermaet

in the break. Nice.

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by Chris Fontecchio on Sep 7, 2010 10:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Whoa. Just read the news about Andy Schleck and O'Grady.

Not going to speculate but it’ll be interesting to hear the different opinions.

by ZoeRochelle on Sep 7, 2010 10:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Not especially

Basically somebody’s being a dick, we’re all just arguing about who…

I love stars (the large gaseous balls of fiery energy - not the pointless tabloid ones).

by omnevelnihil on Sep 7, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

wha?

they’re lost twins?

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by Chris Fontecchio on Sep 7, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bah!

Is Andy underage? Did Stuey score him some beers at a convenience store?

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by Chris Fontecchio on Sep 7, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

2 drinks

not that it changes anything…except speculation about Schleck’s tolerance level. :o)

Jens! doesn’t have a shadow because he dropped it repeatedly until it retired, climbing into the CSC team car and claiming a stomach ailment.

by dees ees en drama on Sep 7, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

One more reason to love the classics

Not only is beer afterwards not prohibited, but you’re in Belgium.

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by Chris Fontecchio on Sep 7, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Look upthread for the Cance picture.

They even make special edition RVV cans, with the profile on it :)

by tgsgirl on Sep 7, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nice!

I love the one Pigeons linked as well.

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by Chris Fontecchio on Sep 7, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think

he was saying they should call him when they can handle the harder stuff.

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by Chris Fontecchio on Sep 7, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Winner

"You know if there's any contact at all Cristiano Ronaldo's gonna go down...maybe even just a puff of wind"

by agl on Sep 7, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup

as in I can’t see anyone taking advantage of it.

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by Chris Fontecchio on Sep 7, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

WOW look at this !!! STEEP!

"Not a great entertainer is young Edvald" - Bradley Wiggins

by Troygirl on Sep 7, 2010 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

what the hell are they climbing??

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by Chris Fontecchio on Sep 7, 2010 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

The first 4.5 km of


Via Triki in the stage predictor thread.

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by tedvdw on Sep 7, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

crikey

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by Chris Fontecchio on Sep 7, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Laurens!

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by Chris Fontecchio on Sep 7, 2010 11:05 AM EDT reply actions  

They're on a couple

uncategorized climbs on the runin

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by Chris Fontecchio on Sep 7, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

9 up front

Although I think Erviti is now off the front of the race.

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by Chris Fontecchio on Sep 7, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Peloton op 2m30s

koploper(s) – 9 renners

91 Le Mével (FRA, FDJ) +6:36
158 L. ten Dam (NED, RAB) +6:39
25 J. Moreno (SPA, ACA) +16:14
138 Van Avermaet (BEL, OLO) +21:12
122 Finetto (ITA, LIQ) +36:23
53 Erviti (SPA, GCE) +38:23
69 Zingle (BEL, COF) +42:40
201 Lund (DEN, SAX) +54:42
83 Cheula (ITA, FOT) +1:02:13

4 renners op 1m41s

214 D. García (SPA, XAC) +3:34
38 Jufré (SPA, AST) +12:04
141 Barredo (SPA, QST) +15:58
117 Man. Mori (ITA, LAM) +33:01

If I wanted to get shit small wins, I'd race shit small races (Cavendish on Greipel)

by singhstax on Sep 7, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

leaders are:

 Kadri (AG2R), Moreno (Andalucía-Cajasur), Erviti (Caisse d’Epargne), Zingle (Cofidis), Cheula (Footom), Le Mevel (FDJ), Finetto (Liquigas), Ten Dam (Rabobank), Lund (Saxo Bank) and Van Avermaet (Omega Pharma

by Bruce Suomi on Sep 7, 2010 11:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Erviti broke away

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by tedvdw on Sep 7, 2010 11:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Peloton on 2:09

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by tedvdw on Sep 7, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Szmyd in polish eurosport studio

He don’t see Anton, Nibali and Purito on podium in Madrid.

by Grzdylu on Sep 7, 2010 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

really, none of them?

"Not a great entertainer is young Edvald" - Bradley Wiggins

by Troygirl on Sep 7, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mosquera
Sastre
Menchov

by Grzdylu on Sep 7, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Zeke first?

I love Mosquera, but I do not see that happening.

by tgsgirl on Sep 7, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Neither do I.

He might make the podium, but why does he assume all of the current top three will blow?

Gora Euskaltel! Sorte on azenarioak!

by Albertina on Sep 7, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bennati there?

"Not a great entertainer is young Edvald" - Bradley Wiggins

by Troygirl on Sep 7, 2010 11:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Ok

just a couple little bumps before the finish. Sure, they’re probably 25% on dirt…

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by Chris Fontecchio on Sep 7, 2010 11:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Albertina!

Did you know Erviti is a former pelota player?

by tgsgirl on Sep 7, 2010 11:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Yes I did :)

From Pamplona. They like them some pelota there. He really needs to morph into a carrot one day.

Gora Euskaltel! Sorte on azenarioak!

by Albertina on Sep 7, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Beautiful to watch the descents on Universal, better than Versus.

Nice Spanish TV camera work too – hangin’ right with Erviti.

Zingle!

by rubesANdbabes on Sep 7, 2010 11:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Is a GC guy not in main bunch?

Only reason I can see to crunch now – to eliminate someone.

by Markk on Sep 7, 2010 11:19 AM EDT reply actions  

CN Humor

17:18 CEST

With the team cars blocked behind the peloton, the Shimano neutra lcar is now feeding the breakaway. Feeding officially closes 20km from the finish but there is plenty of extra drinking going on in this Vuelta.

"Oh man, it’s going to take days to kill all these people!"

by lieutenantmudd on Sep 7, 2010 11:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Wow wow, Andy ad Stuey came back at 5.30 this morning, really wasted.

according to feltet.dk

"Not a great entertainer is young Edvald" - Bradley Wiggins

by Troygirl on Sep 7, 2010 11:26 AM EDT reply actions  

maybe they were just up early ;)

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Sep 7, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

and Bjarne caught them?

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by Chris Fontecchio on Sep 7, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, what the hell was he doing up?

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Sep 7, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

exactly!

That’s the real scandal!

"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell

by Chris Fontecchio on Sep 7, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

is boonen at the vuelta?

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Sep 7, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

you know, daddy's waiting for his sons.

"Not a great entertainer is young Edvald" - Bradley Wiggins

by Troygirl on Sep 7, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ha, imagine the excuse

“we were just out for some early-morning TT practice!”

by Sarah Connolly on Sep 7, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ha!

(probably better TT practice than The Boy Schleck usually does) (final TdF TT aside)

by Sarah Connolly on Sep 7, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently not the first time either.

"Not a great entertainer is young Edvald" - Bradley Wiggins

by Troygirl on Sep 7, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

But how did they ride the next day?

As well as punishment, could be saving them from, well, schlecking. Or…does alcohol still in the system during the race count as doping, anyone know?

by JFS_PGH on Sep 7, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now if THAT is the case....

Gora Euskaltel! Sorte on azenarioak!

by Albertina on Sep 7, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

If that is the case

It took Andy a helluva long time to drink two beers.

by Odette on Sep 7, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hahaha

Gora Euskaltel! Sorte on azenarioak!

by Albertina on Sep 7, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Big if, though.

“Anonymous team source” steps up to contradict Andy’s statement that he and Stuey came home at 1 am after two beers. Obviously, both sides have an interest to protect, but I’m not sure we should automatically believe the new version.

One other point: it’s not like they have to be at the office at 9. Today’s stage started at 13:10 local time.

The Muur is my bitch--Albertina

by majope on Sep 7, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

hm

OK, that’s a bit much, although I’ve seen Drew do worse.

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by Chris Fontecchio on Sep 7, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

heh

"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell

by Chris Fontecchio on Sep 7, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Name dropper..

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

My apologies ;)

Are you still up?

Gora Euskaltel! Sorte on azenarioak!

by Albertina on Sep 7, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Barely... I think only the Stuey stuff kept me awake

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

speaking of

I muct remember to book the day after the Worlds off work… don’t know what reminded me!

by Sarah Connolly on Sep 7, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

No

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

If they were genuinely drunk and returned to the hotel at 5.30 in the morning, then yes, they deserved the punishment..

I’m mainly ruing an ugly end to what had seemed like good relationships.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am with you in beeing sad about the end, but I am not putting the blame for that on only one person, in my experience it takes both parties to make it a good or bad end.

by LittleOldLady on Sep 7, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

You are being sensible... I'm only talking with my heart..

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I'm not watching

But I am surprised ~10 guys can’t pull 30 seconds back

"Oh man, it’s going to take days to kill all these people!"

by lieutenantmudd on Sep 7, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Game over

for this stage.

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by Chris Fontecchio on Sep 7, 2010 11:30 AM EDT reply actions  

"andele andele"

Um, more like gora gora gora!

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by Chris Fontecchio on Sep 7, 2010 11:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Yay, Chris speaks Basque!

Gora Euskaltel! Sorte on azenarioak!

by Albertina on Sep 7, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

txapela!

Txirla!

Don’t make me race the classics!

That’s all the Basque I know.

"Good thing I never said out loud that I was pulling for France, before this all started." -Mark Blacknell

by Chris Fontecchio on Sep 7, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Baxaxaxaxah!

Azenarioa dago (I am a carrot)
Min hartu dut (I have been injured)
Mediku bat behar dut (I need a doctor)

Gora Euskaltel! Sorte on azenarioak!

by Albertina on Sep 7, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Van Av

3rd

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by Chris Fontecchio on Sep 7, 2010 11:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Hi!

Looks like I missed everything. Oh well. Will watch tonight’s reruns.

I used to be a big fan of the Racer Formerly Known as Bert! But then again, I used to believe in Santa ,Tooth Fairy and innocence of Floyd!

.

by holmovka on Sep 7, 2010 11:36 AM EDT reply actions  

erviti
zingle
greg va
finetto
moreno
lund
le mevel

by tgsgirl on Sep 7, 2010 11:37 AM EDT reply actions  

@ Peter Statina says

i’ll be on live chat today at podiumcafe.com answering all your questions. login and come hang for an hour. 2pm cali time, 3pm mountain time

by flying dog on Sep 7, 2010 11:45 AM EDT reply actions  

What's an autobus without Stuey?

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not having a drunk driver?

Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...

by TheFigurehead on Sep 7, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or bored

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by Seahorse on Sep 7, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

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