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T/M: New Frame, or 7 hours and counting on a Specialized Allez Comp E5

After waffling for months--Ridley Damocles? Trek Madone?  Specialized Tarmac? Canyon perhaps?--I decided that at less than $500 (the price has increased, but msrp is still less than $600US), the Specialized Allez E5 comp (which I'd also ridden--but in a size larger than what really fit me) would have to really suck to justify spending nearly 3 times as much for any of the other frames.

The E5 is a hydro-formed aluminum frame.  It's based on current Tarmac geometry and features a tapered head-tube and the 1.5" lower bearing. (In my frequent test rides since August, I've decided that the tapered head-tube offers a significant improvement in front-end stiffness and handling).  

Specialized doesn't provide weights and I haven't weighed the frame.  Honestly, I don't really care that much.  It seems the same weight or lighter than the 2006 Isaac Pascal I've ridden (listed at 1370 grams for the frame:  a war-pig).  It retails for somewhere around $500 for frame, fork, cane creek headset, and a 27.2 seatpost.

The frame also takes a braze-on front derailleur, so I simply swapped my current parts over.  Nothing remarkable to report about building the frame up.

I've spent a few hundred miles riding my wife's 1985 Klein Quantum (s/n less than 100).  If any aluminum frame should be a boneshaker it should be that one.  I always liked it--even on chipseal.  It sure ain't plush, but it's not unrideable.  I've ridden steel, I've ridden carbon.  I think that geometry, bike fit, and tire pressure are more important components of ride "feel" to me than frame material.

The isaac features a 54cm top tube, a 43 degree fork rake and a 73 degree head tube angle (and a 16 cm head tube), and a 73.8 degree seat tube angle.  Don't know the bottom bracket heights off-hand.  The Allez E5 shares the 73 degree head tube angle (with a 14.5 cm length), but differs from there:  45 degree fork rake, 54.8cm tob tube, and a 73.5 seat angle.  So, we're talking minimal geometry differences.  I measured the Isaac's stack and reach to set up the front-end of the Allez (and was able to use the same 120 stem; btw, I use a dry-wall square to measure the stack-and-reach).  I set the saddle position on my rollers using the old-school "heel-on-the-pedal method," then spun a bit to see if anything hurt.  It didn't so I put it away to do a longer test ride on Saturday.

Park multi-tool stowed in a jersey pocket, I rolled out the door with my son Saturday a.m. fully expecting to use the Park frequently.  Ten pedal strokes in, in fact, I knew that the saddle was too low, not really level, and, holy counter-intuitive, needed to move slightly back-ward (which puts my saddle-rails squarely in the center of my 0-set-back Bontrager seat-post.  Those adjustments made, off we rode.

Two hours or so later we rolled into the bike shop.  The guys asked me how i liked the frame.  "Love it," I said.

Loved it enough, in fact to go out and do another hour to try to figure out what was going on.  Perhaps you wouldn't think that little differences add up--but they do.  After nearly four hours on Sunday on a variety of road surfaces ranging from super-smooth asphalt to washboard gravel, I won't say that the aluminum is as smooth as a carbon frame, but I'll repeat:  it's not torture, and I think the frame-fit is more important than the material.

So, to wrap-up:  while I'm sure that a carbon Tarmac would be a smoother ride than the Allez (and while some folks will want to include the Cannondale CAAD frames in this discussion), for my purposes--which are getting an affordable and raceable frame that fits, the Allez E5 works well, at least based on 7 hours.  If anything changes, I'll let you know.

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Great read!

great feeling, especially in a sport as ridiculously expensive as ours, when you can feel like you shopped really smart – bet it even adds to the comfort level. ;) Love the attention to detail, very thoughtful post.

re: last paragraph: I ride a CAAD frame, I’ve loved it so far (thanks again to Gavia for original recommendation), but don’t really have anything to compare it to. I’ve read nothing but great reviews for the c’dales, but would be interested to hear from you or anyone on comparisons between the aluminum frames.

thanks again for great post.

I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it

by plinytheelder on Jan 18, 2011 2:08 PM EST reply actions  

I had an Allez years ago and loved it.

It was my first real road bike (2nd if ya count my dad’s way to big for me hand-me-down Raleigh Record)…I have no idea what it was made of, but I am guessing it bears no resemblance to the aluminum used in this version.

As far as CAAD goes or aluminum frames – I love them. I have an ‘01 CAAD 5 and love it. Wouldn’t trade it for the world – well, I would consider swapping it for my friend’s Tricross (aluminum too) – it’s bad ass!

"I briefly played on a soccer team where we took great joy yelling 'come on fuschia'" by Willj

by JustJoshinYa on Jan 18, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

A shop buddy of mine and me were talking when this first was announced last summer and we were both excited

If I could scrap some extra money together, I would LOVE to have that frame.

Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!

by Vlaanderen90 on Jan 18, 2011 4:06 PM EST reply actions  

Nice review and certainly of interest

to an Alloy-head like me.

What group are you using on it, and is it a threaded BB or BB30?

by Mr Van P on Jan 18, 2011 5:02 PM EST reply actions  

SRAM Force group, mostly

except for the Zipp Vuma Quad cranks and 0-gravity brakes.

Standard English-threaded bb-shell.

by R Mc on Jan 18, 2011 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

vuma and Zero g's.

Sounds a bit weenyish..

by Mr Van P on Jan 18, 2011 6:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

probably is.

But I got the vuma’s for a product test, and bought the 0s used for $150 . . .

by R Mc on Jan 18, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

On CAAD's

had my CAAD 8 for 3 full years and I still am trying to figure out if there are any real flaws in the ride quality. I’ll need to check back after another season.

by Mr Van P on Jan 18, 2011 5:04 PM EST reply actions  

Just about to retire my Allez

I have ridden just about every part off the bike, but the frame is still solid.

by ston_ar on Jan 18, 2011 5:24 PM EST reply actions  

very cool story

Like the bargain hunting.

Also, since you ride my frame size, I am now coming to steal your bikes :)

by Jen See on Jan 19, 2011 10:56 AM EST reply actions  

The new lolcat is lolgavia?

bicycle gavia stealing yr rydz.

"dumped for Greipel?!"

by JFS_PGH on Jan 21, 2011 2:02 AM EST up reply actions  

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