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Numbers: Best of the Bunch Gallopers, 2011 Edition

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As you know, I've tinkered with trying to promote certain statistics as a way of analyzing performance, besides the wins and points stuff that, while telling, isn't overly precise or descriptive. And while there's a lot you can't do crunching numbers for race placings, I'm pretty sold on sprinters' stats. So, once more to the well.

Stats_mediumThis edition analyzes the Big Four, as we head into what looks like an extremely competitive year for grand tour stage sprints. Over the last two years it's become apparent that Mark Cavendish, Tyler Farrar and Andre Greipel have been the guys to beat in the bunch gallops, with Alessandro Petacchi more sporadically involved, but occasionally brilliant. The list of guys who can win from the bunch is much longer, but for the sake of containing this exercise, these four will do. A couple changes from past analyses: first, I'm only looking at stage race stage sprints. Classics, even the flat ones, are too different and don't do justice to the numbers. Secondly, Im separating out grand tours from everything else. Whether that's useful, we'll see. And finally, I've switched from "Top 5 %" to "Top 3 %" -- meaning, percent of times the rider finishes in the top three -- not only because 3=podium but because the top five numbers didn't differ much from the top ten. With these elite guys, top five is almost a given. Top three... you start to see some separation.

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One final acknowledgement about numbers: sample size is everything. From my rudimentary understanding of statistics, larger sample sizes are necessary to prevent the numbers from being unduly influenced by random things -- in cycling terms, that would be illness, injury, or legal problems. You could argue that sample size here is still ridiculously small, but I'll say this: it's better for this exercise than any other cycling analysis I can think of. And if the samples are small now, well, let's keep doing this for several years and see if we learn something by, oh, 2015*. [*Not a commitment to keep blogging til 2015...]

Oh, and one final, final thing: the CQ numbers are a temporary necessity. I'd love to switch to Podium Cafe points but we didn't do them in 2009. Also, the CQ is split between total season points from all races (too much work to separate out the sprints) on the first line, and numbers taken only from the sprint results being used on the grand tour line (not too much work). OK, here goes:

2010: (best # in bold; worst ital)

Rider Events %Finale Wins Win% AvPlace Top 10% Top 3% CQ Pts
Mark Cavendish 27 70 11 41 43.8 63 63 1241
Grand Tours 17 88 8 47 23.7 76 76 737
Tyler Farrar 38 92 5 13 12.2 84 44 1593
Grand Tours 19 84 4 21 18.4 74 53 543
André Greipel 31 94 17 55 9.9 84 61 1457
Grand Tours 6 100 1 17 7.5 83 17 100
Alessandro Petacchi 25 84 7 28 19.3 84 64 1038
Grand Tours 15 87 3 20 16 87 53 481

2009:

Rider Events %Finale Wins Win% AvPlace Top 10% Top 3% CQ Pts
Mark Cavendish 35 86 21 60 18.2 80 69 1733
Grand Tours 14 92 9 65 8.6 86 79 698
Tyler Farrar 34 88 7 21 13.3 85 65 1434
Grand Tours 17 88 1 6 13.2 82 53 455
André Greipel 31 97 17 55 7.7 97 68 1391
Grand Tours 9 100 4 44 3.3 100 56 331
Alessandro Petacchi 20 100 8 40 4.4 95 65 991
Grand Tours 5 100 2 40 2.4 100 80 233

Mark Cavendish

There is no serious dispute as to who the #1 sprinter in cycling is. Cavendish has established himself as the man to beat, particularly in the grand tours. If you have spent more than five minutes watching cycling, you probably already know this.

Description:

  • Grand Tour Performance: Cav is the only rider whose winning percentage starts high overall and goes up on the world's biggest stages.
  • Top Three Percentage -- another Cav strength. Everyone on the list has pretty high numbers, but Cav gets a little separation in the grand tour top three%, and remarkably, for all of 2010, every time he was in the top ten, he was also top three. Why? Because his team kicks ass, and he himself knows how to get in position. And he's wicked fast.
  • Average placing: Cav's biggest "failing," done in by a larger number of back-of-the-pack finishes. Given his other qualities, this stat probably says more about the weakness of measuring average placing than anything else. Or, it says that Cav takes the day off when he can't win.

Trendlines:

  • We all know that Cavendish was unfit for half of the spring this year. Virtually every one of his numbers is down from 2009. So much for sample sizes.
  • One number was up though: points scored in grand tour sprints. Since these points were scored in the same number of starts as 2009, that pretty much undermines any argument that he lost something in the dentist's chair.

Tyler Farrar

I have generally thought of him as the #2 sprinter, though between him and Greipel it's an unfinished argument. More on that in a moment. But we do know this: he hasn't slain the Cavendish dragon. Head to head, Cav wins 20-10 over the two years and 14-3 in victory tallies. Still, the story isn't all one-sided. By the end of 2010 Farrar had scored two wins off Cav in the Vuelta, and three of Cav's six wins over Farrar came while the latter had a broken wrist. In Spain, it was 3-2 Cav. Not exactly an ambush. Going forward it's reasonable to expect both of them to continue getting stronger, being generally competitve and professional sprinters. But Cav will always have that lower profile, and Farrar will likely focus less exclusively on the sprints. So don't start sizing up the Wenatchee Wonder for the crown anytime soon.

Description:

  • Mr. Consistency -- which is a way of saying he doesn't win as often as the others. Farrar is the only rider on the list to start all three grand tours in a both seasons -- among the others only Petacchi did this as much as once. So part of the low winning percentage has to do with putting himself out there more than anyone else.
  • Another part of the low winning percentage has to do with facing off against Cavendish in four of the six grand tours covered. Tha'ts life. But another significant number is missing the top three. His finale and top ten percentages are pretty much as high as anyone's, so missing wins and stage podiums suggests he either isn't as fast (debatable) or doesn't get into position as consistently. My money is on the latter, because he's often reacting to the Cav train or the Cav move, coming from farther back. Sometimes you get stuck in traffic.

Trendlines:

  • Not much change, except in grand tour wins. The picture is of a rider who got to the top echelon in 2009 and spent this year trying to push Cav off the top step. Game not over, but he improved, even counting the broken wrist.
  • Interestingly, his top 3% dip this year is exclusively outside of the grand tours, where the % remained the same. I'd have to dig into the stats a bit to find where that happened. Given his other achievements, this is probably an anomaly.

Andre Greipel

We have already said somewhere most of what there is to say about Greipel. No question he belongs in the "best overall" argument, and no question we will know a lot more about the answer to this a year from now, after he's had a season at the #1 sprinter spot, having to battle Cav and Farrar simultaneously.

But to me he looks like #3, for one simple reason: head-to-head performance with Farrar. In 2009 it was a 3-3 draw, possibly favoring Greipel given his taking the Vuelta points jersey. In 2010, Farrar shut out Greipel, 4-0, including three wins. Terribly small samples, but otherwise there's nothing ambiguous about them.

Description:

  • Nobody's grand tour numbers vary as wildly from the overall numbers as Greipel's. Mostly not his fault; Cav got two grand tours to choose from, including the Tour, and Greipel was fed mere leftovers. Regardless, the sample sizes are terrible as a result, so either Greipel is a far lesser rider on the big stage, or he maybe just didn't have a great 2010 Giro.
  • His win totals are ridiculous, and you can dispute them as even his illustrious ex-teammate did ("shit races"), but Greipel is at least extremely dependable. His top-10, top-3 and finale percentages are collectively very impressive, save for the last Giro, and his average placing suggests very few days of sitting out the action. That's part him, and part HTC-awesomeness.

Trendlines:

  • Generally very consistent, outside of the head2head and 2010 Giro stuff. Same unreal win totals and percentages both seasons, which is remarkable, shit races or no.
  • Still, the stages only got smaller for him in 2010. It's funny to say this, considering his stature, but last season must have been a tad depressing for Greipel. His opportunities didn't improve and his own teammate was degrading him, with no recourse available. Next season, for better or worse, Greipel gets to speak with his legs. That said, I hope Lotto know how to lead him out, because even in the depths of second-team-hood, Greipel has had luxurious leadouts. 

Alessandro Petacchi

Petacchi earns a place on this list for his excellent Tour performance, though in some ways he's an outlier. He doesn't register as many starts, and he doesn't show up head-to-head as often as the others do -- being Italian and racing more in Italy, and also due to the LPR shenanigans in 2009. But this year he raced in all three grand tours, and he's such a bunch-sprint icon that he belongs in the discussion.  

Description:

  • He and Farrar are the two most similar riders on the list, statistically speaking. Interestingly, they faced off in 2010 alone a whopping 39 times (!), with Petacchi owning a 25-14 edge in the overall kitchen-sink numbers (CQ's head2head includes stages where nobody did anything). Of those 39, Petacchi owns an 8-1 advantage in stages where Farrar had a broken wrist, so in truth they're quite even. Farrar takes a 4-3 edge in wins. Petacchi's edge was 17-10 with a 4-3 win margin in 2009.
  • Anyway, by statistically similar, I mean they both race a lot, with consistency, and win enough in all races to keep it respectable, without being dominant anywhere. The Cav factor...
  • Petacchi's top ten and top three %s are spectacular. Another guy with both a good leadout and his own knowledge of how to get in position. He separates himself a bit from Farrar here.

Trendlines:

  • There really aren't any. Which is remarkable for a guy who turned 37 on Monday.

So there you go. Like I said, a few more years' worth of data will lend more meaning to this exercise, but I think it's fun to see even now. Oh, and no Freire or Hushovd here, sorry. You can name another dozen guys who are worth looking at, but... I do have a family and a day job.

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If this doesn’t get Ursula back here, nothing will.

"Next year we will build a strong team around Tom. We don't need pseudo-stage racers any more in this team." -Patrick Lefevre, 2005

by Chris Fontecchio on Jan 5, 2011 5:47 PM EST reply actions  

Ah, what a beautiful tribute

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Jan 5, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I am lurking.

Will pounce when the time is right and you are softened up.

by ursula on Jan 6, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

figured as much

"Next year we will build a strong team around Tom. We don't need pseudo-stage racers any more in this team." -Patrick Lefevre, 2005

by Chris Fontecchio on Jan 6, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

After the Ducks play in the "Final game of the season game"?

"I just want to say fuck you, and I mean that in the most professional way" -Brandon Llyod
Quitter's People United member # 42

by Phil H. on Jan 6, 2011 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope they win, Cam Newton being eligible is LOL worthy

and if not, hell it’s a rigged system most can’t take seriously anyway.

"I just want to say fuck you, and I mean that in the most professional way" -Brandon Llyod
Quitter's People United member # 42

by Phil H. on Jan 6, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Aaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh, stats...

Lovely lovely stats. Life is worth living again.

Really enjoyed this, Chris. Nice stuff. And it does look like the Wenatchee Wonder is trending up, doesn’t it? I am so looking forward to seeing him up against Cav in Australia in a couple weeks. Even if it is just a training race.

I'm sure the riders I've ridden with before think that I have cheated. But fuck them. Look at us young riders, we are a new generation--Richie Porte

by majope on Jan 5, 2011 5:57 PM EST reply actions  

+1

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Jan 5, 2011 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Cav has a leadout train that is race fit...I don't think there'll be a contest...

Goss, Renshaw, Howard… who’s Farrar have?

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Jan 5, 2011 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

No Aussies

so nobody in mid-season form, I’d guess.

"Next year we will build a strong team around Tom. We don't need pseudo-stage racers any more in this team." -Patrick Lefevre, 2005

by Chris Fontecchio on Jan 5, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

oops

Well, Dean and Lancaster, as far as a possible train is concerned.

"Next year we will build a strong team around Tom. We don't need pseudo-stage racers any more in this team." -Patrick Lefevre, 2005

by Chris Fontecchio on Jan 5, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you really think a ProTour Aussie is in better form right now than a ProTour European rider?

Maybe they’re a bit more motivated to be in good shape in January. And Renshaw and Goss are doing that crit series, but I still don’t buy that Aussies will be in decisively better shape.

"Oh man, it’s going to take days to kill all these people!"

by ncrow on Jan 5, 2011 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

We'll see then I suppose, but my short answer is 'yes'...definitely.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Jan 5, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

What would Deming do? (+8:00 GMT)

by Ryan_Liles on Jan 6, 2011 1:43 AM EST up reply actions  

a few will

right? I mean, not Haussler or Rogers. That’s why we don’t do the VDS this early. The competition is too self-selecting.

"Next year we will build a strong team around Tom. We don't need pseudo-stage racers any more in this team." -Patrick Lefevre, 2005

by Chris Fontecchio on Jan 5, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree... very self-selecting

It depends more on the rider’s goals and schedule really. Of course there’s a few who are more likely to be in slightly better shape to put on a bit of a show at home.

And the UCI failed… on all accounts. - tgsgirl

by omnevelnihil on Jan 6, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

psst

(when do we do the vds?)

Death before decaf! :D
- gavia

by tgsgirl on Jan 6, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

last year the website with all the info

was unveiled on one of the first few days in February and we had until a day or two before Het Nieuwsblad to submit a team.

by Nomer on Jan 6, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

another week or two

"Next year we will build a strong team around Tom. We don't need pseudo-stage racers any more in this team." -Patrick Lefevre, 2005

by Chris Fontecchio on Jan 6, 2011 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Howard isn't racing there...Roulston should be in good form though.

Garmin hasn’t released there roster yet…they could have the Meyer’s though, Dean, Lancaster, Bobridge, or a combination of others. All of those would be race fit. I’d say its a toss-up.

Greipel has the “disadvantage” on the train front though he could always have Hansen, Sieberg and Roelandts up there.

Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!, Tommeke!

by Vlaanderen90 on Jan 5, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I rest my case then..no contest.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Jan 5, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe only Dean?

I used to be a big fan of the Racer Formerly Known as Bert! But then again, I used to believe in Santa ,Tooth Fairy and innocence of Floyd!

.

by holmovka on Jan 5, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

which

could be enough. But what kind of shape is Farrar himself in right now? I mean, he’s got a loooooooong season ahead.

"Next year we will build a strong team around Tom. We don't need pseudo-stage racers any more in this team." -Patrick Lefevre, 2005

by Chris Fontecchio on Jan 5, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

It's all about those UCI points for Garmin now...

Farrar skipping out on the TDU or being in crappy shape is leaving a huge chunk of points on the table.

"Oh man, it’s going to take days to kill all these people!"

by ncrow on Jan 5, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Man, I am looking at the 2010 ProTour points scale

The UCI point system is seriously skewed. I get favoring non-European events a bit to promote them. But just off the podium (4th) in the TDU having the same point total as 9th as the TDF?

"Oh man, it’s going to take days to kill all these people!"

by ncrow on Jan 5, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

so

stoopid

"Next year we will build a strong team around Tom. We don't need pseudo-stage racers any more in this team." -Patrick Lefevre, 2005

by Chris Fontecchio on Jan 5, 2011 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Cav and Columbia seem uber motivated

I don’t see a contest. The only thing I see coming is a lot of bah’ing.

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Jan 5, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Lancaster?

He’s been racing Bay Crits too, plus the Meyers I believe. Same folks that Vaughters is likely to send to TDU judging by his justifications in the past (more important for them, logistically easier too)

My fruit bowl is full of sex wax--gavia

by Douglas Ansel on Jan 5, 2011 8:55 PM EST up reply actions  

If race fitness counts, then Henderson and Davis and of course young Michael Matthews are running pretty hot...

I think Alby could challenge for the overall…he’s got his groove back…

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Jan 5, 2011 6:38 PM EST reply actions  

agreed about A. Davis

always liked him too

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Jan 5, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Alby can climb, which will give him an edge for the overall.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Jan 6, 2011 12:24 AM EST up reply actions  

agreed on Matthews

Rabo were lucky to sign him, I’d rather see them back him than Graeme Brown, who has either never tried to get up Willunga in a good position (and has only gone for the points comp) or is unable to.

by Nomer on Jan 6, 2011 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Sensational post

Statistic-tastic

http://www.irishpeloton.com/

by irishpeloton on Jan 5, 2011 7:26 PM EST reply actions  

thanks

which reminds me, I should probably dig up the credit…

"Next year we will build a strong team around Tom. We don't need pseudo-stage racers any more in this team." -Patrick Lefevre, 2005

by Chris Fontecchio on Jan 5, 2011 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Ringo?

What would Deming do? (+8:00 GMT)

by Ryan_Liles on Jan 6, 2011 1:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Loved this.

As a cycling fan (who does not extensively follow cross) this part of the year kills me.

As they say though, its darkest right before the light. End of the month can’t come soon enough!

by ykgday on Jan 5, 2011 10:51 PM EST reply actions  

So, should Greipel give up TDU for later season fitness?

If it makes him peak in February, then I think he should.

by dheadrick on Jan 6, 2011 1:01 AM EST reply actions  

I think he should be trying to avoid the humiliation that I suspect might be coming his way...

I know that sounds lame, but it could be ugly.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Jan 6, 2011 1:23 AM EST up reply actions  

If he's realistic

He will think more in terms of winning 1-2 times of Cav by the end of the year. No matter how good he is, his team is all new to him, while HTC are a frickin machine. He’d better be patient.

"Next year we will build a strong team around Tom. We don't need pseudo-stage racers any more in this team." -Patrick Lefevre, 2005

by Chris Fontecchio on Jan 6, 2011 1:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Funny Q

Do all sprinters have peaks? Some of them seem to carry on endlessly. Dunno about Greipel, maybe he can be more or less sprint-fit for extended periods. But I’m pretty sure Farrar is different: three grand tours and a big classics peak is different than just targeting sprints.

"Next year we will build a strong team around Tom. We don't need pseudo-stage racers any more in this team." -Patrick Lefevre, 2005

by Chris Fontecchio on Jan 6, 2011 1:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I suspect all the sprinters want the rankings points

so that their nations can field full teams at Copenhagen. And the TDU is low hanging fruit, especially if you can target the GC as well as stages.

by Nomer on Jan 6, 2011 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Will Farrar race fewer stages this year?

He may be in the quality-over-quantity phase of his career.

by dheadrick on Jan 6, 2011 1:03 AM EST reply actions  

Good Q

In November he was saying he’d do the same thru the classics, then see where things are at.

"Next year we will build a strong team around Tom. We don't need pseudo-stage racers any more in this team." -Patrick Lefevre, 2005

by Chris Fontecchio on Jan 6, 2011 1:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Riders "legal problems".

I think they now prefer to use the “medical timeouts” phrase.
Cav looks very much an all or nothing sprinter from the stats imo.
Another solid post, Chris.

by Uphill on Jan 6, 2011 5:47 AM EST reply actions  

Hey Chris

You mentioned a broken wrist for Farrar but did not state Cav sprinted with a broken wheel in the last stage of the Vuelta.

I'm sure the riders I've ridden with before think that I have cheated. But fuck them - Richie Porte insisting that he won clean.

by singhstax on Jan 6, 2011 9:38 AM EST reply actions  

Well

every day brings its unique elements. I did mention things that would skew a set of data, like Cav’s slow start, but one-day blips… too much to cover. This goes to my point about needing large data samples.

"Next year we will build a strong team around Tom. We don't need pseudo-stage racers any more in this team." -Patrick Lefevre, 2005

by Chris Fontecchio on Jan 6, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

but

thanks for mentioning it, I suppose one of those Farrar wins comes with a grain of salt.

"Next year we will build a strong team around Tom. We don't need pseudo-stage racers any more in this team." -Patrick Lefevre, 2005

by Chris Fontecchio on Jan 6, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Nah broken wheel is part of racing - it counts

A broken wrist or hurting jaw are different. They really do change the capability of the rider.
Some people are lucky and unlucky. Both ways. When LA and Tiger Woods were dominating they were also lucky. Didn’t get hurt, hardly ever had things break, had good fortune (didn’t hit a rut riding over a field, had wayward shots stop on packed dirt) that others didn’t.

by Markk on Jan 6, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Interesting numbers - cheers for the post

for me you have hit both nails on the head.

Cav % in at converting top ten to top 3 in GTS is nothing short of extraordinary, even more so as after Renshaw left the tour and through most of the Vuelta there was no train a la 2009.

And have long thought Farrar has all the talent but needs more practice at setting himself up for a sprint and the numbers seem to agree.
Thor should be a godsend in this regard (particluarly in the riding smart between 7 and 2K to go part of the race). Oh yeh, and his new beast of a team wont hurt him any either!
Am expecting/hoping for a massive improvement over the coming year in the top 3 conversion rate for Farrar in the GTs.

by andrewp on Jan 6, 2011 4:04 PM EST reply actions  

indeed

Cav was remarkable. This isn’t really in the numbers, but his train kept shrinking but it never really mattered. I know Garmin would like to take control and put him on the defensive, and that would undoubtedly help, but it still may not stop Cav.

"Next year we will build a strong team around Tom. We don't need pseudo-stage racers any more in this team." -Patrick Lefevre, 2005

by Chris Fontecchio on Jan 6, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Cavendish started as a McEwen-esque sprinter

He’s learned how to use a train.

I don’t think he NEEDS one.

(Contrast a rider like Cipo or Hushovd or Petacchi)

by R Mc on Jan 7, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Tyler beat Cav to finish of the year in Spain

Given he is with Thor and Einreech now, I think Tyler keeps sprinting, with some chance of a big emergence as a strongman and/or a sprinter. Tyler is a younger, faster Thor.

Cav could have a beyond monster year at some point, too, maybe more so a possibility than Tyler because of Tyler’s riding in finales so far in his career. Many wins, but he makes tactical finale mistakes and also he has gone down hard before. Cav is a way more talented bike handler, especially among sprinters. At least it looks that way. Cav is a real champ, and his superior sprint speed helps him ride well, too.

This is a fun post and love the stats, thank you.

1) The column that is supposed to be to the right of ‘EVENTS’, ‘RACES (total race days)’ is missing. The next column to the right ‘TOTAL FINALES’ is also missing.

Including these two columns in the surprisingly still pretty naiscent age of bike racing stats will help clarify the interesting strongman sprinters category ‘% FINALE’.

It’s still all new. You have have to spell it out, I guess I’m saying.

Doing this will help make more telling stats; looking for a better denominator than ‘% FINALE.’

2) There is an overall question about adding a column for autobus days, which just mention in respect to Thor the Champ. Tyler and Thor can win hard stages right now. And so can Gilbert. Sprinters all.

3) TOP 3% = 1-6th place for GTs. Good stat for sprinters.

4) TOP 10% = More relevant for just the ‘non-ardennes classics’ rather than stage races/GT’s. Not so great if Cav gets ‘credit’ for being 14th, for example.

Similar to golf, and especially so for the sprinty races. The sport is about high placing and not so much about Koldo getting 12th.

Thanks!

by rubesANdbabes on Jan 8, 2011 4:53 PM EST reply actions  

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cycle faster. do yoga. - An Evelyn Stevens video

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