Garmin-Cervélo Announces 2012 Team Roster
by Sui Juris on Nov 18, 2011 12:30 AM EST
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PrintGarmin-Cervélo presented their 2012 men's team roster in Boulder on Thursday night. The team includes Thomas Dekker. According to VeloNews, Dekker's ontract was confirmed an hour before the team presentation. Need some argyle in your morning? Check out the photos from the Garmin-Cervélo Flickr.
So, here it goes, per the team release:
Jack Bauer
Tom Danielson
Thomas Dekker
Tyler Farrar
Koldo Fernandez
Murilo Fischer
Nathan Haas
Heinrich Haussler
Ryder Hesjedal
Alex Howes
Robby Hunter
Andreas Klier
Michel Kreder
Raymond Kreder
Christophe Le Mevel
Martijn Maaskant
Dan Martin
David Millar
Ramunas Navardauskas
Tom Peterson
Jacob Rathe
Alex Rasmussen
Sebastien Rosseler
Peter Stetina
Andrew Talansky
Christian Vande Velde
Sep Vanmarcke
Johan Vansummeren
Fabian Wegmann
David Zabriskie
Directors:
Johnny Weltz
Bingen Fernandez
Eric Van Lancker
Geert Van Bondt
Charly Wegelius
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Looks like Rasmo already has his Cervelo
Now he has permission to ride it.
Focus on easy first. If that's all you get, that ain't half bad - Caballo Blanco
Does anyone know more about this Rathe kid?
I’ve seen his results on CQ, but I had never heard about him before.
I'm starting to get tired of this long sig
PodiumCafe on Strava
super strong
big rangy TT monster
Level headed
Saw him a lot as a Junior
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the Flag and carrying the Cross."
--Sinclair Lewis
So the theme is a bit of a budget squeeze?
They need a lot of talents to step up and some to over-achieve for them to be a real top level team. I can see why JV has been a bit cranky about the big budget superteams. That said, so many guys I’m excited about. HH, the Kreders, Maaskant, Sep, Ramunas, Wegmann……..
Yes.
So what is their budget as a percentage of (say) BMC?
Many exciting up-and-comers, but no established stars.
Aside from Farrar, nobody on this list who is in the top 5 in the world at what they do?
Among the 16 WT teams
how many established stars are there? Thor, the Schlecks, Boonen, Cancellara, Gilbert, Cav, Boasson Hagen… Depends on your definition but I’m not sure how many there are to go around, or why Garmin should have more than one. Farrar was in the top ten in points and wins in 2009 and 2010. Regardless of what you think of him, there are a lot of teams that wish they had someone who produces like that. Garmin were 4th with Thor, 6th without him in ‘09. So for their budget they’re in pretty good shape, no? And that’s with HH, Maaskant and Farrar having down years this year.
De cross gaat out that door.
by Chris Fontecchio on Nov 18, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Probably not an exhaustive list
We all know Chris holds Valverde, A. in extremely high regard.
"Beer helps." -- Ant1.
he's
in the ellipsis.
De cross gaat out that door.
by Chris Fontecchio on Nov 18, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
i thought that was a reference to yourself.
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
my read exactly. I see a lot of solid riders, but few proven winners
For them to have a good year, a few of their riders are going to have to have “career years.”
PopUp – we need your orange asterisk thingy back.
Yeah, a lot of "solid" and a lot of "up-and-coming"...
Which is not a bad place to be, especially compared to some other teams. But with Thor gone, Haussler unimpressive, and Farrar having had a bad year, they certainly don’t look the powerhouse they did a season ago. That said, it wouldn’t be too much of a shocker if they exceeded the lowered expectations. The one guy that looks to me like he might be poised for a breakout year is Dan Martin.
Start fast, finish fast, and hope you're fast enough-- Cadel Evans
Arguably, Dan Martin already had that breakout year.
What with him finishing 9th in the WorldTour and all. He’ll always be plagued by allergies in spring, I doubt there’s much room for improvement there. He could, however, be a good stage hunter in the Tour (allergies permitting).
by blackswangreen on Nov 18, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
True... I should have written "another breakout year."
I think he has the potential to be a good (not great) GC guy, though the 2012 Tour course does him no favors. And I think he could turn out to be a monster in hilly classics… he seems to be better than most at producing a burst of speed at the end of a climb. As for the spring, that’s a tough situation, but he was third behind Contador and Scarponi at Catalunya this year, so there’s hope.
Start fast, finish fast, and hope you're fast enough-- Cadel Evans
For the record, here are the outs:
Jack Bobridge (GreenEdge Cycling)
Julian Dean (GreenEdge Cycling)
Roger Hammond (team unknown)
Thor Hushovd (BMC Racing Team)
Brett Lancaster (GreenEdge Cycling)
Daniel Lloyd (team unknown)
Cameron Meyer (GreenEdge Cycling)
Travis Meyer (GreenEdge Cycling)
Gabriel Rasch (team unknown)
Matthew Wilson (GreenEdge Cycling)
It is ethically wrong to toss aside someone for something they did because they got caught, but to welcome people who've done the same thing in their past and simply didn't get caught.--Jonathan Vaughters
Divided perhaps into:
Leaving on their own, no chance to keep:
Jack Bobridge (GreenEdge Cycling)
Julian Dean (GreenEdge Cycling)
Brett Lancaster (GreenEdge Cycling)
Cameron Meyer (GreenEdge Cycling)
Travis Meyer (GreenEdge Cycling)
Matthew Wilson (GreenEdge Cycling)
Cut from the team:
Roger Hammond (team unknown)
Daniel Lloyd (team unknown)
Gabriel Rasch (team unknown)
Lost out in negotiation:
Thor Hushovd (BMC Racing Team)
The guys that are leaving on their own minus Thor
Were not big losses IMO, too much emphasis on track to do a road team much good.
Focus on easy first. If that's all you get, that ain't half bad - Caballo Blanco
Dean used to be a top lead-out, Bobridge very impressive in Aussie road nats, right?
"Beer helps." -- Ant1.
Yeah, but isn't Bobridge going to focus on track again this year, for Olympics?
Garmin needs more road results, I think.
It is ethically wrong to toss aside someone for something they did because they got caught, but to welcome people who've done the same thing in their past and simply didn't get caught.--Jonathan Vaughters
Dean is old and Bobridge is stuck on track
I’m guessing he’ll concentrate on the road after the Olympics but I know that the pursuit is a big deal to the Aussies like it is to the Brits.
Focus on easy first. If that's all you get, that ain't half bad - Caballo Blanco
That should probably read
“pursuit is a big deal to the Aussies because it is to the Brits.”
For some reason we’re psychologically incapable of not wanting to beat the Brits at anything. Cricket, pursuit, drinking…
I'm not just a smartarse. Other parts of me are sometimes clever as well.
by omnevelnihil on Nov 18, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure Vaughters will pass Ethics 101
Unless he talked about riders who haven’t been caught but who he knows are dopers
Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...
by TheFigurehead on Nov 18, 2011 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
Interestingly enough, Vaughters basically admits that there are uncaught dopers on his team.
by blackswangreen on Nov 18, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
he probably considers himself one of those.
and i’m sure he has no illusions about some of the riders that have been around for a while, albeit with no proof of any actual wrongdoing. the team’s philosophy, since the beginning, was to create an environment where riders could thrive clean, not where only clean, and always clean, riders could ride.
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
This.
And yet people have a tendency to forget how clear he’s been on this point and act as if he’s being hypocritical when he lets riders with pasts, but who demonstrate being clean and willingness to continue to be, onto his team. At some point, it seems to me that folks listen more to ‘clean team’ hype coming from elsewhere than what JV actually says.
Eh.
You can both have a genuine philosophy and recognize its marketability.
It is ethically wrong to toss aside someone for something they did because they got caught, but to welcome people who've done the same thing in their past and simply didn't get caught.--Jonathan Vaughters
yep.
not sure where they are on it now, but he did set up an interesting internal testing program for a while. others marketed themselves as having such a program without actually doing it, JV actually did it.
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
I think Will's point was that the marketing discourse isn't as subtle as we'd like...
…so JV’s point tends to get lost.
I choose to distinguish between riders whom I'm pretty sure would prefer to dope,
if they thought there was any chance of them not getting caught, and those who would prefer not to dope, if they thought there was any chance of continuing to ride, clean. That depends, in part, on the teams they came from, and the situations they came from. Saying that Vaughters creates an environment where these guys can “thrive clean” doesn’t automatically imply that the teams they came from are places where riders can’t “thrive clean,” of course. But doesn’t it either damn the team or the rider? Because either they came from teams where they could not “thrive clean,” or they’ve chosen to “thrive dirty” on teams where they could have thrived (throve?) clean.
That’s not a misreading of what JV is saying or doing. It’s still fair to say, “I wish he took the guys who I’m convinced they’d prefer to be riding clean, not the ones who’ve been forced into it by scrutiny.”
"It is unfortunate that the Wall is not plugged in correctly."
I like the teams composition.
Some fast guys: Farrar + Haussler
Some climbers: D Martin + Hesjedal
Some TT’ers: Millar, DZ, A Rasmussen
A well balanced cobbles team
Some GC outsiders: CVV, Danielson
Some younger talents
There are no A class riders, but this lot should be able to play.
The big gap is on 3-week GC contenders.
Maybe that’s a good thing. I’d rather see them free up all their resources for opportunistic stage-hunting, rather than try to support somebody who will end up 5th-15th in a GT.
Did you catch the story
here ?
All that talk about the argyle pants and they let Vansummeren’s jacket go without comment?!
And Zabriskie's sideburns
Evil galore.
Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...
by TheFigurehead on Nov 18, 2011 7:40 AM EST up reply actions
Those are hilarious.
I think I have to get a Garmin for my car so I DZ can give me directions.
It is ethically wrong to toss aside someone for something they did because they got caught, but to welcome people who've done the same thing in their past and simply didn't get caught.--Jonathan Vaughters
please, don't insult hugh jackman
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
i likethe support they've brought in
alan peiper as director of competition (head ds I guess) and charly wegelius as ds – good transfers
+1
I like the Peiper signing. They seem to have come out ahead of others in that department.
Focus on easy first. If that's all you get, that ain't half bad - Caballo Blanco
And it was needed
they were lacking. Still not sure I see a great strategist there? They need a brain, someone with “the plan” particularly if they are to ever add some GT credibility. JV is self-admittedly not that guy.
the cn pics make it look like it was a fun event.
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
Yep, looked fun to me
Would’ve liked a ticket myself.
Focus on easy first. If that's all you get, that ain't half bad - Caballo Blanco
The cupcakes looked awesome.
It is ethically wrong to toss aside someone for something they did because they got caught, but to welcome people who've done the same thing in their past and simply didn't get caught.--Jonathan Vaughters
It is ethically wrong to toss aside someone for something they did because they got caught, but to welcome people who've done the same thing in their past and simply didn't get caught.--Jonathan Vaughters
makes me hungry
i’m gonna have another donut.
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
I am so making the argyle ones next season.
Or maybe today.
It is ethically wrong to toss aside someone for something they did because they got caught, but to welcome people who've done the same thing in their past and simply didn't get caught.--Jonathan Vaughters
I'm on my way
De cross gaat out that door.
by Chris Fontecchio on Nov 18, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
That's what the Garmin-Cervelo women's team said
Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...
by TheFigurehead on Nov 18, 2011 8:54 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
+1
well played
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
If Thomas Dekker wins Amstel Gold
Erik Breukink’s head will:
1) explode
2) nod with wistful approval
3) be hiidden under his pillow
4) be too busy screaming at Mollema to notice
Discuss.
De cross gaat out that door.
by Chris Fontecchio on Nov 18, 2011 10:48 AM EST reply actions
What kind of rider is Dekker anyways?
He was banned when I started watching the sport
"Oh man, it’s going to take days to kill all these people!"
Won Romandie and TA at a young age
Had some very solid results in the Ardennes. Can TT more than decently.
Me like bike, no?
... also really strong in hilly classics.
Top-10 in Lombardy, Amstel, Fleche, Liege, all at age 23.
by blackswangreen on Nov 18, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
Have any dopers come back and had a good first year?
I just don’t see him doing anything after two years out of competition. Unless he gets back on the eagle’s blood
PopUp – we need your orange asterisk thingy back.
shouldn't that be unicorn's blood?
Focus on easy first. If that's all you get, that ain't half bad - Caballo Blanco
Half of his 2011 price should do it.
Or hell, double, just in case.
It is ethically wrong to toss aside someone for something they did because they got caught, but to welcome people who've done the same thing in their past and simply didn't get caught.--Jonathan Vaughters
This year
Rebellin was 1 and Di Luca 12. Dekker somewhere in the middle?
Rebellin was only one because he returned during the season
when no one could pick him anymore. I just gave him a placeholder price. Otherwise, 8 maybe?
"Beer helps." -- Ant1.
he probably wasn't the only one.
could he have done it without dope, probably not, but it does show some natural ability.
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
Indeed. The top-10 in the Ardennes at that time was a who's who of dopers.
So either all of these guys (Valverde, Rebellin, F. Schleck, Dekker) could only perform due to dope, or there was indeed some natural talent involved.
by blackswangreen on Nov 18, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
impressive days interspersed with some totally sh*t days when he went sideways.
Doping gone wrong? Sick (that’s what he said)? Or intrinsically uneven? Who knows.
"It is unfortunate that the Wall is not plugged in correctly."
I'd say 2
Getting rid of him without too much hassle was nice. Unless he beats Mollema/Gesink/Kruijswijk for the top step on the line Breukink might like a Dutchie better than another won of those sprinty climby-type Spaniards (not to mention gobbling Gilbert). It would underline the “Rabobank is developing Dutch cycling” goal.
Me like bike, no?
yeah
Somebody Dutch needs to win that race. Why not another Dekker?
De cross gaat out that door.
by Chris Fontecchio on Nov 18, 2011 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
Lol. I don't think the other Dekker agrees.
Those two weren’t in love, to say the least.
by blackswangreen on Nov 19, 2011 4:39 AM EST up reply actions
It is ethically wrong to toss aside someone for something they did because they got caught, but to welcome people who've done the same thing in their past and simply didn't get caught.--Jonathan Vaughters
Same old story
Boy meets boy. Boy falls in love . Boys meet dolphin. Boys fall out over dolphin.
by Jens on Nov 19, 2011 7:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Underline that goal... how?
It’s clear the Rabo development plan or whatever it’s called went horribly wrong, in this particular case. Dekker even says as much: there was no one who corrected me, no one who could really get through to me. That’s not what I call successful guidance in the first years of a pro career.
by blackswangreen on Nov 18, 2011 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
some people are like that.
willing to fuck themselves over to prove that you can’t get through to them.
Great that Jack Bauer got his big chance after plenty of very strong rides
amongst PT riders.
He was pretty good in 2010 in (I think) Murcia in the TT, coming in not too far down to hold onto a top-12 GC place. And it was the first time he’d ever been on a TT bike!
He’s going to be a very useful rider – whether they see him as being just a generally helpful rider that doesn’t mind rough conditions, or they try to harness his finishing speed and/or TT power.
Seems to me as though Garmin and JV have done what they could. They had a superteam fall into their lap last year, and it caused as many problems as it did successes. Van Summie’s win had a chance of happening anyway as he’d always been just a bit under the radar but a P-R specialist.
Last year, outside of the Thor and clan signing, showed their level – Christophe Le Mevel is the sort of rider they can attract.
What they have is a very good team of workers, but no real figurehead to it other than Farrar. They will work for Le Mevel, and Hesjedal, and Danielson (and maybe VdV) and probably try to get top-10s in each of the 3 grand tours.
But frankly they are a team packed with skilled helpers, some people who’d love to win a classic but have little realistic chance (outside of JVS on 1 day), some people who like to ride GTs but have no realistic chance of winning one, and a bunch of riders who individually aren’t quite the best TTers but collectively they can rock the TTT.
They’ll score consistent 4-7th place finishes with a few wins sprinkled, and have another decent year.
HH might the wild card – but I’ve long since stopped looking at him as a useful rider; he’s someone who is capable of great things but has shown it for a very small proportion of his pro career.
regarding GT GCs
I think they could get close to a top 10 in each grand tour, but they usually send all their firepower except Martin to the Tour. I wish they would spread it around, but to the Tour is worth their 3 best GC riders.
Hammond wasn't past his useful life
Shame to see him without a team. He broke something this spring, but he was solid the two years before.
"Oh man, it’s going to take days to kill all these people!"
Hammond's course knowledge not equal to Klier's
and finding a place for him in a classics squad with JVS, Maaskant, Haussler, and Vanmark gets hard to justify, especially since he’s become sort of an April luxury.
I am awful at recognizing riders off their bikes
And without helmets and kits.
(This extends to real life as well. I barely recognized a guy i had ridden with 50+ times once when I saw him on the street)
"Oh man, it’s going to take days to kill all these people!"
Dance of joy
Very happy to see that Dekker landed a spot on a WT team. Very curious to see how he’ll do next year. He’s one of the most talented guys on their roster but it may take some time to show.
Me like bike, no?
PdC is a great site because – for example – we can have Dekker lovers and Dekker haters and still remain fairly civil
moo
This guy is still my favorite:
(this joke might get old one day, but that day is not today)
by JustJoshinYa on Nov 18, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
See
newer post
De cross gaat out that door.
by Chris Fontecchio on Nov 18, 2011 2:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I have a little trouble to name someone very talented when he is caught with doping..
With the statment because they all doped.. This assumes that everyone doped, I get that, but also that everyone doped as much as Dekker and the dope had the same effect on everyone.. I’m not so sure..
+1
And we/people/some also use the “everyone doped” together with statements about guys like Riis “he never would have won without dope, he went from donkey to racehorse” but those two views don’t add up. If the Riis’es went from donkeys to racehorses the racehorses should have turned into Super-Pegasuses when everyone doped and thus the old donkeys would still be beaten, right?
Well, there's doping and there's doping.
Mr. Soixante Pourcent was a ticking time bomb, I doubt everyone would have gone that far.
by blackswangreen on Nov 19, 2011 4:38 AM EST up reply actions
Judging by his book and other reports
the tales of him going outrageously crazy compared to other riders are almost certainly exaggerated. Yes he was on a serious program but I think it fairly certain he wasn’t the crazed over-juicer D’Hont described him as.
isn't there talk of "hyper-responders"
who derive greater benefits from the same doping regimen? I don’t think the natural racehorse in your hypothetical would improve as much as the donkey. My impression was that the effects of doping was not a matter of a universal +x or +x% and that it varied among the individual.
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