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Mountain High, by Daniel Friebe

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Title: Mountain High: Europe's Greatest Cycle Climbs
Author: Daniel Friebe (photography by Pete Goding)
Publisher: Quercus
Year: 2011
Pages: 224
Order:
Quercus
What it is: A look at fifty European climbs, in words and pictures.
Strengths: Beautifully produced with stunning photography, informative graphics and entertaining text.
Weaknesses: It's fifty climbs - which inevitably means that some of the inclusions and exclusions will irk some.

"The Spanish journalist Juanfran de la Cruz observed a few years ago that, like all sports, cycling has many myths and legends, but also the peculiarity that some are made of flesh and bone and others of tarmac road."
Daniel Friebe, Mountain High

Star-divide

1995. July 14. Bastille Day. Just 24 kilometres into the 222.5 km stage from St Étienne to Mende, ONCE's Laurent Jalabert launched a suicidal attack. The previous year Jaja had crashed out of the Tour on the first stage, ploughing into the barriers as the Tour sprinted into Armentières. In 1995, recovered from his injuries, he was in flying form. Already he'd added Paris-Nice, Milan-Sanremo, the Critérium International and the Flèche-Wallonne. The former sprinter had transformed himself into an all-rounder. Earlier in the Tour he'd worn the maillot jaune (as had his ONCE team-mate Johan Bruyneel) and by the time Bastille Day came around he was in the maillot vert.

Gewiss' Dario Bottaro was sent in pursuit of Jalabert, to police his movements. Bottaro's Gewiss team-mate Bjarn Riis was sitting in third and just 3'16" ahead of the Frenchman. This was the year following Gewiss' magical 1994 season, when Michele Ferrari had performed an act of alchemy with their blood, the team winning races left, right and centre, even packing the podium at Flèche-Wallonne in a shocking one-two-three. But in 1995, publicly at least, Gewiss were no longer clients of Ferrari. They were, though, still on the books of Francesco Conconi and his colleagues in the University of Ferrara. Not that that made much of a difference, this was 1995, the secret of success was openly shared and most every team in the pro peloton was properly prepared.

The Tour was in between the Alps and the Pyrénées. One of those transition days when the big guns try to recover from what's been and prepare for what's to come. The sort of day that's perfect for catching them unawares. There was only one hill of note on the route map, the second category climb of the Côte de la Croix Neuve, the Hill of the New Cross, taking the riders to the top of Mont Mimat, a plateau in the Causse range. That was where the stage was scheduled to finish, at an abandoned aerodrome just over the crest of the climb.

Mende, the capital of the Languedoc-Roussillon département of the Lozère, was for a long time a part of the undiscovered France, known only to those who needed to know it. In The Discovery Of France Graham Robb notes how François Marlin visited the region in 1790, carrying with him Robert de Hesseln's Dictionnaire Universal De La France as his guidebook. Written just two decades earlier, Marlin was somewhat amused by the errors it contained. Of Mende, he noted, De Hesseln "went to the trouble of placing Mende on a mountain, giving it a triangular shape and a large population. There are only three errors in this statement."

In 1995, the Tour was itself discovering Mende, making its first visit to the town and the climb just beyond it. The Massif Central itself had been ignored by the race until 1951. Since then hills like the Col de Perjuret (where Roger Rivière broke his back), the Puy de Dôme (where Anquetil and Poulidor went shoulder to shoulder) and the Ventoux had written themselves into Tour history. Would the Croix Neuve be able to earn its place beside them?

The chances of Bottaro and Jaja reaching Mende ahead of the peloton didn't look good, not early into their breakaway anyway. Initially, the best they could manage was a 30 second gap on the peloton. Bottaro's heart wasn't really in it and he tried to tell his French companion that they were doomed. Jaja didn't quite agree:

"I was getting cheesed off. I said to myself that I was maybe making a big mistake. But not being able to get away was hacking me off, so I said to myself: if they want to come back, they'd better hang on for dear life."

Then Jaja's team-mate Melchior Mauri received his marching orders from the ONCE directeur sportif , Manolo Saìz, and bridged across to the break. Shortly after, another group, containing Massimo Podenzana (Brescialat), Andrea Peron (Motorola) and Neil Stephens (ONCE) slipped out of the peloton and, at kilometre 49, there was a group of six riders making the pace, half of them from the team of the moment, ONCE. The gap to the peloton began to grow. And grow. And grow. By the time they entered Lozère their lead had grown to nearly 11 minutes.

Jaja, who had started the day 9'16" minutes in arrears of the yellow jerseyed Miguel Induráin, was now the maillot jaune virtuel. A Frenchman in yellow - even if only virtually - on Bastille Day, that's the stuff that dreams are made of. That day France dreamed. A decade had passed since Bernard Hinault had hung up his wheels and the Tour had been taken over by foreigners. The minor jerseys - green for Jalabert, polka-dots for Richard Virenque - and assorted stage wins were mere consolation prizes for the French. A Frenchman hadn't even stood on the podium since Laurent Fignon had seen the Tour slip from his grasp in sight of the Champs-Élysees in 1989. The French wanted their race back.

Behind the breakaways the peloton was giving chase. Induráin had his yellow jersey to protect, while Gewiss's Bjarne Riis was in danger of being dispossessed of his podium position by Jalabert. The chase was on. By the time the escapees hit Mende itself and flew along its tree-lined avenues, their lead was down to seven minutes. All that lay ahead of them was the Croix Neuve.

At the base of the climb the green-jerseyed Jaja made his move, attacking his breakaway companions and soaring up the climb alone. One rider - Bottaro - tried to chase but Jaja soon shook him off his wheel. At the finish, as he raced along the wide expanse of the abandoned runway - a fantastically televisual finish - punching the air for joy, Jalabert had 29 seconds on Podenzana and another 13 seconds on Bottaro. While his escapade didn't earn him enough time to take the yellow jersey - Induráin rolled in 5'42" down - it did move Jalabert into a podium position, third overall, just 51 seconds behind his ONCE team-mate, Alex Zülle.

* * * * *

You can reduce the Croix Neuve to numbers if you wish. It's just 3.3 kilometres of tarmac. There's 317 metres of altitude gain. You top out at 1,057 metres above sea-level. The average gradient is 9.5%, with a one kilometre ramp near the base touching 12.4%. Behind Jaja that day, the maillot jaune group of Induráin, Riis and Marco Pantani, flew up the hill in just 8'40". Them's the numbers. Soulless things. They don't explain how a hill that already had two names - Mont Mimat and the Croix Neuve - gained a third name that day, one that would officially be accorded it a decade later when, in 2005, the mayor of Mende issued an edict: henceforth the Croix Neuve would be known as the Montée Laurent Jalabert. The numbers can clue you into the geography of the climb, photographs and graphics can illustrate it for you, but it takes a story like Jalabert's win there to clue you in to its psychogeography.

The importance to cyclists of psychogeography was stressed by Paul Fournel in one of the essays that make up his Need For The Bike (Besoin de Vélo):

"I've gone up unbelievable passes but gotten no credit for it because a champion hadn't marked it. Back from vacation, if I say to a friend: 'I climbed the Finestre pass,' he might reply: 'Well I took it easy in the Caribbean.' On the other hand, if I tell him: 'Hey, I went up the Izoard,' his face lights up. It's the same if I mention the Puy de Dôme, Alpe d'Huez, Tourmalet, Vars or Pra-Loup. [...] The great champions superimpose their own geography on official geography. They're like little flags stuck on the map, or landmarks."

Mountain High St Gottardpass
St Gottardpass, Switzerland. Photo: Pete Goding.
Used with permission.

Not all of the 50 climbs in Mountain High are detailed by exploits from great races. Some, like the St Gottardpass in Switzerland, have virtually no mention of bike races in their story. There's climbs like the Cirque de Gavarnie, which you and I can ride but are logistical nightmares for big bike races (Gavarnie has UNESCO World Heritage status). Others, like the Croce d'Aune, are important for what seemed like unimportant incidents (in the 1927 edition of the Gran Premio della Vittoria the Croce d'Aune became the catalyst for Tullio Compagnolo's invention of the quick-release lever for wheels). Or there's climbs like the Muro di Sormano, which tell stories about how fans keep some of these roads alive (for three years in the sixties the Muro rocked the Giro di Lombardia before being dropped and slowly falling into such a state as the only cyclists ascending it were on mountain bikes. Then, around the turn of the century, a group of cycling fans lobbied for its rehabilitation and raised the necessary funds). All of the climbs featured in Mountain High come alive in one way or another through the stories told about them by Daniel Friebe.

So what climbs make up Mountain High's selection? Here I have to surrender to the tyranny of numbers as names alone won't tell you much:

Name Country Height Length Altitude Gain Average Gradient Maximum Gradient
Koppenberg Belgium 78m 0.6km 65m 10.8% 22%
Muur van Geraardsbergen Belgium 110m 1km 92m 9.2% 19.8%
Mur de Huy Belgium 204m 1.3km 128m 9.8% 26%
Cipressa Italy 234m 5.65km 234m 4.1% 9%
La Redoute Belgium 292m 1.7km 161m 9.5% 17%
Mont Faron France 508m 5.5km 494m 9% 11.4%
Puerto de Urkiola Spain 713m 5.7km 524m 9.19% 14%
Il Ghisallo Italy 754m 10.6km 552m 5.2% 14%
Croce d'Aune Italy 1,015m 8.57km 665m 7.8% 12%
Montée Laurent Jalabert France 1,057m 3.3km 317m 9.5% 12%
Muro di Sormano Italy 1,107m 1.7km 280m 17% 25%
Lagos de Covadonga Spain 1,135m 14.2km 962m 6.87% 15%
Ballon d'Alsace France 1,178m 9km 619m 6.9% 8%
Cole de la Faucille France /
Switzerland
1,323m 26.8km 618m 2.3% 5.9%
Cole de Peyresourde France 1,569m 15.27km 939m 6.1% 11.7%
Alto del Angliru Spain 1,573m 12,5km 1,266m 10.13% 23.5%
Hautacam France 1,653m 16.3km 1,223m 7.5% 12%
Col de Joux Plane France 1,691m 11.6km 989m 8.5% 12.5%
Col d'Aubisque France 1,709m 30.1km 1,257m 4.1% 12%
Monte Zoncolan Italy 1,730m 8.9km 1,140m 13% 22%
Monte Grappa Italy 1,745m 20km 1,478m 7.4% 27%
Sierra de la Pandera Spain 1.830m 16.2km 982m 6.6% 15%
Passo del Mortirolo Italy 1,852m 12.5km 1,300m 10.5% 18%
Alpe d'Huez France 1,803m 13.9km 1,073m 8.19% 12%
Mont Ventoux France 1,912km 21.5km 1,552m 7.22% 12%
Kitzbüheler Horn Austria 1,970m 10.2km 1,278m 12.53% 22.3%
Col de la Madeleine France 1,993m 28.28km 1,533m 5.4% 10.4%
Passo Fedaia (Marmolada) Italy 2,057m 14.1km 1,059m 7.5% 18%
Col du Glandon /
Col de la Croix de Fer
France 2,067m 30km 1,521m 5.07% 11.5%
St Gotthardpass Switzerland 2,106m 12.7km 932m 7.3% 11.4%
Col du Tourmalet France 2,115m 18.8km 1,405m 7.4% 13%
Gran Sasso d'Italia Italy 2,130m 31.1km 1,263m 4.1% 8.2%
Blockhaus Italy 2,142m 29.6km 1,932m 6.5% 9%
Calar Alto Spain 2,155m 30.5km 1,427m 4.68% 10%
Colle delle Finestre Italy 2,178m 18.5km 1,700m 9.2% 14%
Ordino-Arcalis Andorra 2,223m 26.1km 1,202m 4.61% 12%
Passo Giau Italy 2,236m 10.12km 922m 9.1% 10.4%
Passo Pordoi Italy 2,239m 13km 786m 6% 7.2%
Cirque de Gavarnie France 2,270m 30.9km 1,585m 5.13% 11%
Tre Cime di Lavaredo Italy 2,320m 7.53km 1,515m 7.5% 19%
Col d'Izoard France 2,360m 19.2km 1,136m 5.92% 8.6%
Col du Grand St Bernard Switzerland 2,469m 30.6km 1,752m 5.7% 10%
Großglockner Austria 2,571m 9.4km
Passo di Gavia Italy 2,621m 20.7km 1,366m 6.6% 16%
Col du Galibier France 2,642m 35.25km 1,933m 5.48% 15%
Colle dell'Agnello Italy 2,744m 51.36km 2,178m 4.2% 15%
Passo dello Stelvio Italy 2,758m 21.9km 1,560m 7.12% 14%
Col de l'Iseran France 2,770m 48km 1,955m 4.1% 6.9%
Col de la Bonette France 2,802m 25.8kn 1,652m 6.4% 15%
Pico de Veletta Spain 3,384m 46.62km 2,662m 5.7% 17%

Them's the 50 mountains chosen by Friebe but the reality is Mountain High contains more than 50 climbs. Only a few hills, like Alpe d'Huez or the Alto del Angliru, offer just a single ascent. The Grappa alone offers nine different ways to its summit. Add up all the alternative ascents and you've easily got enough climbs to keep you busy for quite a while.

Some of you are no doubt already tut-tut-tutting at what's not on that list. Mount Faron but no Col d'Èze? The Cipressa but no Poggio? The Croix Neuve but no Puy de Dôme? For some their exclusion is logical. The Puy de Dôme, for instance, is currently inaccessible. Others, like the Poggio, are excluded but discussed in passing (in the Poggio's case, when talking about the Cipressa). As for the Col d'Èze ... well as a proud Irishman I shall be sending Friebe a very stern email ticking him off for excluding a climb that was, for nine years straight in the eighties, the domain of Sean Kelly and Stephen Roche, a little bit of the south of France that will forever be Irish. To be honest, though, I'm not really going to quibble about the rest of Friebe's choices.

My only real criticisms of Mountain High are also mere quibbling. As someone who endures climbs but savours descents, I would have liked to read more about the downside of these mountains. And, following the sterling work of the champions of the women's peloton here on Podium Café, I do wish Friebe had included some tales of the other peloton's adventure on these hills. But those are just my tastes and I'm not going to impose them on anyone else.

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Mountainhigh_profile_medium As well as telling the stories of these mountains through words, Friebe's text is illustrated with maps and gradient charts. It's also beautifully brought to life with some stunning photography from the lens of Pete Goding. Rather than pictures of cyclists toiling up the slopes of these climbs, Goding focuses on the mountains themselves, with big, sweeping landscape shots and sharp shots of details of the climbs. In fact, it's rare to find a photograph in which a cyclist features (I counted more cows and donkeys than cyclists). Goding's aim seems clear: the mountains themselves are the real stars.

For Goding's photography alone Mountain High is a must have for your coffee table. Friebe's text makes it a must have for your bookshelf. Just be warned: it's a hefty hardback that's heavy on the wrists. You might want to buy the e-version if you're thinking of traipsing around Europe and climbing these hills for yourself.

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thx for review!

I have ordered this book and I am really looking forward to it. I have heard the photography is superb and there are a bunch of climbs I don’t personally know – so it will lead me to dream (route plan). Fun Christmas reading.

My early quibble: When I saw Col de la Faucille as the only Jura climb, it was obvious the author doesn’t know the Jura mountains at all – Faucille just has a small amount TdF history because it’s a “through” road. But, I I can think of a dozen far better climbs within 20 miles . eg Col du Grand Colombier – the giant on next year’s Tdf that I always go on about. Or Mont du Chat, occasionally called the toughest climb in France. — end whine —

Anyway, this sounds like the book that I (in another life) would have like to have written. So I am excited to read it.

moo

by Willj on Dec 11, 2011 1:02 PM EST reply actions  

So that’ll be two of us sending him stern emails :)

(He’s on Twitter @friebos - let’s beat him up)

by fmk on Dec 11, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

does he review both sides of climbs …. or just one side? Hope so, as many on that list have two great sides.

You put Grand St Bernard as Swiss ….. but the Italian side is the good side for cycling (most of Swiss side is fast, busy road — then the tunnel bypasses most of Italian side).

moo

by Willj on Dec 11, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Typically he talks about the different routes yes, but not always. I mean, the Grappa alone would have taken a quarter of the book, right? :)

by fmk on Dec 11, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

’I climbed the Finestre pass,

At least now Finestre has some pretty good Giro history. It’s certainly worthy to be on this list.

moo

by Willj on Dec 11, 2011 1:51 PM EST reply actions  

Was going to mention that in the text, the Fournel quote is from mid-90s.

by fmk on Dec 11, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

This is an absolute essential to go on the coffee table in the reception area of the cyclist’s guesthouse I’m going to run in the Pyrenees one day. Free bottle of house wine for all Podium Cafe members, by the way.

I saw a baby that looked like Cadel Evans the other day...

by John Cyclopunk on Dec 11, 2011 3:18 PM EST reply actions  

Well at least the advantage of it being so hefty is that few of the guests will nick it on you :)

by fmk on Dec 11, 2011 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought it might be worth moving a few things around when I typed that list up.

Needless to say, all errors in the above are mine.

by fmk on Dec 11, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

fmk asked me to suggest a few climbs that I think are missing.

Below is just for fun discussion, not a major criticism. I can’t wait to see the book.

It’s tough because it depends what the criteria is. There are some climbs on the list that wouldn’t be that interesting to ride (at least to me) … but lots of pro history. For example, I wouldn’t drive a long way to cycle Mont Faron or the Montée Jalabert – both yawners to me, But I suppose race fans might be interested.

Anyway, a few thoughts (ignoring unknown big stuff):

France: I think the list of big climbs is very good: stuff like Iseran, Galibier, Tourmalet, Agnel, Izoard, Glandon, Madeleine, Bonette are all pretty epic.

Big stuff Missing? Plateau de Beille? Cormet de Roselend (beautiful and one could talk about the cliff Bruyneel fell off). Col de Granon (highest TdF finish in history until Galibier in 2011 and tough). Again, I think the Jura choice is off the mark. Mont du Chat or Grand Colombier are giants. Col de la Colombière?

Switzerland: If people are looking for beautiful huge climbs – then the big hole on the list is Switzerland. The author told me it was in large part due to the lack of big pro cycling history.

But climbs like Furkapass, Nufenenpass, Grimselpass, Albulapass, Fluelapass, Sustenpass, Grosse Scheidegg, etc are all huge, stunning climbs as good and better than anything in France.

Italy: I am no expert. All the great climbs I know are on the list.

Austria and Spain: I hope to cycle there one day :)

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A closer view of St. Gotthardpass. A perfect choice for PdC fans. Below is entirely cobbled.

(the photo in the article above)

moo

by Willj on Dec 11, 2011 6:41 PM EST reply actions  

man,

i gotta go to switzerland one day

by yeehoo on Dec 12, 2011 4:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanx for including them. Is good to know what else to add to the list. We mght push author and publshers toward Vol II! The pic’s lovely, btw.

There are some climbs on the list that wouldn’t be that interesting to ride (at least to me) … but lots of pro history.

That balance between interesting to ride and having a story to tell about it (not always racing related) is quite important, I think. In passing Friebe mentions quite a few climbs yet to feature in major races and possibly worth visiting. I would guess also that anyone using such a book as the basis for a road trip would, in the planning and the riding, discover many other climbs for themselves.

To be honest, a book that was purely about climbs that are interesting to ride, that talked purely about which way the road snakes, what the gradient is like, the scenery and all that, would probably tire you out after fifty climbs. You don’t always want to be reading what it’s like to be climbng a hill. One of the things that makes Mountain High work is the variety of stories within it.

On some of the exclusion – my comment about the Col d’Èze is a little bit tongue-in-cheek. Yes, personally, I think it has a good story, but whether it’s a good climb or not I haven’t a bog. My mention of it though illustrates how we all have our little faves we would wish to see included. And we all have our own different reasons for wanting to mention those climbs. In my case, metion of the Col d’Èze is purely parochial. But, as I say, I think that illustrates a point.

Finding objectvity when it comes to climbs is nigh on impossible. The length, altitude gain, max gradient, they don’t add up to produce a ‘score’ by which each climb can be compared. Subjectivity, inevitably plays a role. As an exercise, take the list above and try to find some objective ‘fact’ in it to rate the top three climbs and see how far you get.

by fmk on Dec 12, 2011 4:21 AM EST reply actions  

I like the balance in Fife's Pyrenees book

He has the ride descriptions interwoven with racing anecdotes for some but not all the climbs. Plus he includes a lot of history of the region.

The one issue with it is the pictures which I can’t decide if they are just dull or if they are appropriately toned down to fit the whole Rapha-feeling of the book?

by Jens on Dec 12, 2011 6:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Is funny, there’s a lot of books I’ve generally avoid. The techs-mechs binge I did last month/month before was, for instance, a first. Ditto books like this – as a rule, I just don’t really go for what I think are coffee table books (I have no coffee table, see). So comparing this with Fife, with Sidwell, with any of the others, I can’t really do. Maybe I’ll hit up some pubs for some of these other books over the winter/spring, once I finally clear the backlog of this year’s crop of cycling books (the pile is down to about a foot, foot and a half, I think).

by fmk on Dec 12, 2011 7:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Col d'Èze

is a big ring climb even for amateurs. Nice view of the Med, though. To make it interesting, from Nice, start with the Chemin du Vinaigrier, 2 km of what felt like 20%.

"Beer helps." -- Ant1.

by tedvdw on Dec 12, 2011 6:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Ha! Average gradient is only 10%

Altitude at start 159 m, finish 354 m, length 1.95 km. Very steep stretches, though.

"Beer helps." -- Ant1.

by tedvdw on Dec 12, 2011 6:45 AM EST up reply actions  

from a climbing point of view

in that area I guess Col de la Madone would be the perhaps the most interesting. You can start from 0 metres altitude (the sea). It’s occasionally crazy steep and the views are great.

From a “story” point of view it was of course Lance’s fav training climb — and Trek named a bike after it.

(I rode it on a loop using a very helpful GPS track from super Ted).

moo

by Willj on Dec 12, 2011 7:14 AM EST up reply actions  

exactly :)

Yehoo, this must be as good a loop near you as exists

moo

by Willj on Dec 12, 2011 7:23 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah that is a nice loop

Although personally, i think i would never ride that exact route, ha ha. Hm, so is that LA’s madone climb? Up to Peille and then a little on the road towards la Turbie and then turn up to madone? I always thought his deal was from menton. But i think it’s true that that climb up to Peille is harder than the Menton side – although probably the steepest overall gradient would be the menton side. I almost never do that climb to Peille from the west because i’d have to ride through too much of Nice to get there. If i ride up to that side of Nice i am usually going elsewhere (rather than go to the places i go all the time on nicer roads).

by yeehoo on Dec 12, 2011 7:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I did Ted’s loop. But drove the stretch from Nice ….. way too much traffic. But the loop is very quiet.

moo

by Willj on Dec 12, 2011 8:04 AM EST up reply actions  

or maybe col de vence or col de braus

but they sure exaggerated things in LA’s book with col de madone – made it sound crazy difficult. Seems like i remember the book saying most cyclists would only dare ride it once a year but lance would ride it every month or something like that. When actually amateurs ride it all the time – many will go up it twice in the same ride. It’s just not that big a deal. But it did sound good in the book. I’ll ride it as much as i can find time for next spring – going up the easy west side, then down the hard side, then back up the hard side and back home.

by yeehoo on Dec 12, 2011 7:21 AM EST up reply actions  

You read LA’s book? You sick bastard.

by fmk on Dec 12, 2011 7:22 AM EST up reply actions  

someone gave it to me

before i ever got into cycling – either riding or watching pros.

by yeehoo on Dec 12, 2011 7:26 AM EST up reply actions  

You read it! If someone was cruel enough to give it to me as a present I’d use it as a weapon to hit them with, not read the fucking thing. :)

by fmk on Dec 12, 2011 7:28 AM EST up reply actions  

ha!

i’m glad i did though – before i fell in love with cancer.

by yeehoo on Dec 12, 2011 7:34 AM EST up reply actions  

i've measured that more closely (vinaigrier)

there’s about an 800 meter stretch of 12.5% – but very very few people around here ever ride that. I think i’ve only seen mtn bikes coming up it (other than myself).

by yeehoo on Dec 12, 2011 7:15 AM EST up reply actions  

In Mountain High, one of the riders Friebe talked to makes a point about anything over 7.5% being a proper climb. I used to think one-in-ten myself.

by fmk on Dec 12, 2011 7:24 AM EST up reply actions  

depends how long

south side Madeleine is something like 20 kms @ 8% = proper climb

plus averages are often super misleading due to flat or even down hill stretches – For example Col de la Croix de Fer – east side is 31 kms at less than 5% average – but brutally hard. Just two long downhill and an easy stretch makes average meaningless.

moo

by Willj on Dec 12, 2011 7:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree the numbers are deceptive. In part is why I included all the numbers in the big list above, just to see hwo misleading they were.

by fmk on Dec 12, 2011 7:35 AM EST up reply actions  

My main point in raising its exclusion was to llustrate how hard it is to please everyone. My reasons for championing it are purely parochial. I think the point Friebe makes about Faron – the view of the shipyards and the bay from the top – makes it a more suitable inclusion.

by fmk on Dec 12, 2011 7:26 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, I get that

I understand including stuff like Mont Faron, La Redoute, etc.

My point was you need to understand the criteria – and that it wouldn’t be my personal criteria. . The little Belgium climbs are 5 minute exercises. But their history, and if you look at them as a collection makes them very interesting.

He throws in an unpaved crazy climb as the sole +3000 metre climb – just because it’s really cool & high (which makes sense to me). But it is completely random in the context of this book – as one could do a different good book about unpaved super high cyclable unpaved roads/trails.

moo

by Willj on Dec 12, 2011 7:35 AM EST up reply actions  

The Pico kind of fits, I think. One of the points Friebe makes a few times is about inflation, about how partic the Giro and the Vuelta are in competition to find super-hard climbs, super-hard being either steep, or long, or high-altitude. The lower clopes of the Pico have been raced, the Q is will the Vuelta one day go for broke and send the race all the way up.

On the arbitrariness of the selection – you pick any book (biography, race history, whatever) and you get arbitrary. Even reviewing the book I’m being arbitrary by telling the Mende story, rather than any of the others. You kind of just accept that this is the way the world it.

Ok, personally, I would prob prefer if the publishers hadn’t used a title like “Europe’s greatest climbs” and had called it what it is, one man’s picks. But that’s marketing for you, hyperbole.

by fmk on Dec 12, 2011 7:42 AM EST up reply actions  

sure

It’s easier to poke holes in any list of top 50 than to make one’s own list. There’s certainly lots in the book to drool over.

moo

by Willj on Dec 12, 2011 7:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think we’re really poking holes in it, and I think there’s value in discussing the ones that others think should have made the cut. I guess it’s one of those things that makes “list” books so fun.

by fmk on Dec 12, 2011 9:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I am in strongly favour of climb inflation :). Loads of climbs have unpaved roads that go higher from the Col.

From Col du Tourmalet one can ride a gravel road all the way to Pic du Midi

moo

by Willj on Dec 12, 2011 8:02 AM EST up reply actions  

The Tour seems to be screwed by the logistics of gettng so many people/lorries to these places. They’ll have to find a way to do a slimmed down finish area.

by fmk on Dec 12, 2011 9:03 AM EST up reply actions  

OK first reaction to book

It does a GREAT job of showing details of multiple sides of big climbs. very nice. 5 ways up Monte Grappa. Tired reading it

moo

by Willj on Dec 12, 2011 9:17 AM EST reply actions  

The Grappa Challenge

Riding all 5 in one day. And celebrating each ascent with a bottle of grappa at the top

by Jens on Dec 12, 2011 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

More considered reaction to the book:

I think it’s excellent.

It succeeds in it’s objective of being simultaneously:

1) A coffee table photo book
- Pretty good photography

2) An entertaining read
- more than just pro race history. Interesting stories about the history of the locations. I see it as 50 little reading sessions – learning about a climb in maybe 15 or 20 minutes. .

3) A useable Touring guide
- very impressed that there is details (map, direction, profile, etc) on all important sides of every climb. Impressive.

Two thumbs up.

I’m impressed tha

moo

by Willj on Dec 12, 2011 4:47 PM EST reply actions  

and the climb choices?

On the whole very interesting selection. All the Obvious legends and some good surprises.

moo

by Willj on Dec 12, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

For anyone interested:

Here’s a Google Map with the 50 climbs, coloured by country.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=213735574286271237295.0004b3f5031a07c52cc17&msa=0

moo

by Willj on Dec 13, 2011 11:39 AM EST reply actions  

Good work

By you?

"Beer helps." -- Ant1.

by tedvdw on Dec 13, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

ja

warning: Includes links to trip reports for about half the climbs chez mon blog.

I find organized maps amazingly clarifying for “trip or dream planning”

moo

by Willj on Dec 13, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah, I should have clicked

Thanks.

(typo: Koppenberg, Kitzbuehler)

"Beer helps." -- Ant1.

by tedvdw on Dec 13, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

thx

book spells it Kitzbuheler …. but I trust you

moo

by Willj on Dec 13, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks :)

The town is Kitzbühl or Kitzbuehl.

"Beer helps." -- Ant1.

by tedvdw on Dec 13, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Cheers for doing that. I was gong to link all the climbs in the list through to your blog (or as many as you have covered).

by fmk on Dec 14, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

If you want a really lunatic day in the mountains from the women

then the place to look is stage 3 of the 2003 Grande Boucle. The race that year started with two stages in Corsica, then a ferry trip to the mainland and the Alps. No rest day (but then it came pretty close to there being no race ) and what with the usual ferry problems, most riders didn’t reach their hotels (hotel? hmmm. Formule 1) until 2 or 3 am. After a bit of negotiation the organisers agreed that if everyone rolled out of town in the morning for the ceremonial start then they could jump in to team buses for a “neutralised” 30km section. And of course that pissed off those spectators who had turned out to wave the race on. Cheering a coach passing by at 70 kph ain’t quite the same. And then when the race finally got going again a thunderstorm struck, so fierce that it actually caused landslides on the roads that they were due to race on stage 4.

by Monty. on Dec 14, 2011 4:04 PM EST reply actions  

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