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Rabobank Team Presentation Live

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Just the announcement, not live yet! Edit: Almost live now, starts in five minutes. Edit2: Aaaand, we're done.

Follow the 2012 team presentation webcast live via the (Dutch language) Rabobank Sports website tomorrow, Tuesday, December 6th from 14h15 CET (8:15am US East, 5:15am US Pacific, Wed 0:15am Sydney). Scheduled duration is 1.5h but it may run longer.

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It is ethically wrong to toss aside someone for something they did because they got caught, but to welcome people who've done the same thing in their past and simply didn't get caught.--Jonathan Vaughters

by majope on Dec 5, 2011 10:08 AM EST reply actions  

women also

or dudes only?

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Dec 5, 2011 10:10 AM EST reply actions  

Oooh, hope it's the women too!

New kit! New team! New riders! Existing riders!

(I think not, though, because isn’t there something about the riders being under contract to their old teams until end of December – at least, that’s the excuse Garmin used for not including their women in their team presentations, no?)

Aka Pigeons!

by Sarah Connolly on Dec 5, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Really, Garmin said that?

Because for the men it’s not true, as evidenced by all the team presentations going on in December.

by blackswangreen on Dec 5, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

if they include the ladies

i will be watching.

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Dec 5, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

the team has yet to be officially presented,

but they’re already in the running for my second favorite women’s team.

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Dec 5, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

exergy twenty12

lululemon and rabo are fighting for second place (in what is, of course, the most important competition they’ll enter all year, unbeknownst to them.)

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Dec 5, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

"the most important competition they’ll enter all year"

Of course! I hope to see the ant1 rankings updated throughout the year!

Aka Pigeons!

by Sarah Connolly on Dec 5, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

i will create a spreadsheet to track that this afternoon.

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Dec 5, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Looks like it might be women too!

Monique van der Vorst’s twitter:\

Big day Tomorrow: – Team Presentation Rabobank!!! – TV: Pauw & Witteman guest!!!

Aka Pigeons!

by Sarah Connolly on Dec 5, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

nice

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Dec 5, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Powerful.

Now if we can have a little less suits and more rider focus, this event may turn into something really great.

by Uphill on Dec 5, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, last year was a lot of men in suits...

but that’s because they had something to celebrate involving men in suits: 15 years of Rabobank team sponsorship, and the announcement of six more years.

This time it’s in the Rabobank HQ, so there will still be men in suits around… let’s hope they stay off the stage.

by blackswangreen on Dec 5, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I was a man in suit there too

Nothing wrong with that, right?

Me like bike, no?

by Lopex on Dec 5, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Oooh, will you be there this year?

I think it’s fab that they celebrate the sponsors, given how much Rabobank support the sport

Aka Pigeons!

by Sarah Connolly on Dec 5, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

No, not this year

But it does show that even suits can be cycling fans. And indeed big sponsors wear suits too.

Me like bike, no?

by Lopex on Dec 5, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Woo! Cross boys!

It's pronounced "Int-CHOW-stie"

by Albertina on Dec 5, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

All 4 teams! More than 70 riders in total

is what they replied to me. So, the Protour and Conti men’s road teams, the women’s team and the mixed “off-road” team.

"Beer helps." -- Ant1.

by tedvdw on Dec 5, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I was hoping they’d scrap the Orange

moo

by Willj on Dec 5, 2011 10:26 AM EST reply actions  

It's getting a bit old now.

Black with blue trim might look nice?

by straw dog on Dec 5, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

have you seen the omegastep colors for next year?

i hope it’s a joke

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Dec 5, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

actual jerseys

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Dec 5, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Aha, a radical new direction in kit design -

Blue with black trim is the new black with blue trim.

by straw dog on Dec 5, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Are you kidding me?

Apparently, black-blue-white is the new black-blue-white.

by swells on Dec 5, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Not a fan of the Olympic gold?

Oh Ted, are you feeling a little bit…….. Belgian?

(ha!)

Aka Pigeons!

by Sarah Connolly on Dec 5, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

She looks

jaundiced.

De cross gaat out that door.

by Chris Fontecchio on Dec 5, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Orange has the potential to look really good, or really bad

or everything in between. The history of Dutch sports has taught us this.

by blackswangreen on Dec 5, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

french kits

always good looking.

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Dec 5, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

Navy blue is always in good taste

Sminer: I blame KARMA for everything.
Jens: I've heard it's a bitch
Water Girl: I heard it ran over your dogma

by kom vuelta on Dec 5, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

best kit ever

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Dec 5, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

careful now

that’s my future wife you’re talking about.

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Dec 5, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

my objectification goes beyond just that picture

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Dec 5, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I haven’t looked 16 since I was 11.

I saw a baby that looked like Cadel Evans the other day...

by John Cyclopunk on Dec 5, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Ok then, young man.

No alcohol, and make sure you have her home by 11.
Oh hang on, I see you mentioned removing her clothes. I’ll get my shotgun.

by straw dog on Dec 5, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

More orange needed

Orange is much better than blue. Especially if you’re thirsty – bluejuice is horrible.

I saw a baby that looked like Cadel Evans the other day...

by John Cyclopunk on Dec 5, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno, I have fond memories of

those blue raspberry panda pops I’d drink as a kiddy…. and blue Slush Puppies were always my favourite…

Aka Pigeons!

by Sarah Connolly on Dec 5, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

What flavour were those? E-130?

Actually, I liked those too. Best thing about going to college was discovering they still sold the blue one in the refectory.

I saw a baby that looked like Cadel Evans the other day...

by John Cyclopunk on Dec 5, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

not as horrible as

subterranean homesick oranges

by straw dog on Dec 5, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Looks a bit like one of those weird Formula 1 bikes that people raced for a while in the mid-80s.

I saw a baby that looked like Cadel Evans the other day...

by John Cyclopunk on Dec 5, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

Two birds one stone

moo

by Willj on Dec 5, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

orange + tanned olive skin = hot sexy carrot
orange + pale / freckled skin = not so much

by straw dog on Dec 5, 2011 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Sadly

It’s more orange + tanned olive skin = blood and gore

Aka Pigeons!

by Sarah Connolly on Dec 6, 2011 5:35 AM EST up reply actions  

You mean all the swag I collected, that you won

& getting you tickets to Manchester don’t count for anything??

(grin!)

I’m crushed! I was working on the assumption that every time I mock the carrots, it takes one leffe off the very, very, very many that YOU owe ME!

Aka Pigeons!

by Sarah Connolly on Dec 6, 2011 7:56 AM EST up reply actions  

What? I owe you Leffes? Since when?!

(ok, you stay on the list, but you’re on probabtion ;)

It's pronounced "Int-CHOW-stie"

by Albertina on Dec 6, 2011 8:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Got a hint that the women are not there for a full team presentation

but merely photo opportunities. I’m sure Vos will be dragged on stage, though.

"Beer helps." -- Ant1.

by tedvdw on Dec 6, 2011 6:59 AM EST reply actions  

Strange, the women are tweeting about a team presentation today.

BTW I think they’ll also launch an international version of their website, which is in fact already online: www.rabosport.com

by blackswangreen on Dec 6, 2011 7:20 AM EST up reply actions  

It would be crazy, to NOT shout about Marianne Vos, AvV, the new signings

Thalita de Jong for “the future of Dutch cycling”, & Monique vdV for that incredible story…

Aka Pigeons!

by Sarah Connolly on Dec 6, 2011 7:28 AM EST up reply actions  

So where’s the live thread, dikke nek ted?

Or are we just going to use this one?

It is ethically wrong to toss aside someone for something they did because they got caught, but to welcome people who've done the same thing in their past and simply didn't get caught.--Jonathan Vaughters

by majope on Dec 6, 2011 8:14 AM EST up reply actions  

This one!

"Beer helps." -- Ant1.

by tedvdw on Dec 6, 2011 8:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Cool.

I see people filing in.

It is ethically wrong to toss aside someone for something they did because they got caught, but to welcome people who've done the same thing in their past and simply didn't get caught.--Jonathan Vaughters

by majope on Dec 6, 2011 8:17 AM EST up reply actions  

looks like parliament

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Dec 6, 2011 8:18 AM EST reply actions  

Taunting the Belgians again?

It is ethically wrong to toss aside someone for something they did because they got caught, but to welcome people who've done the same thing in their past and simply didn't get caught.--Jonathan Vaughters

by majope on Dec 6, 2011 8:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, but the Dutch have had one all along.

They might have thought the Belgians needed a reminder of what it’s supposed to look like, now that they’re getting back into the whole government thing.

It is ethically wrong to toss aside someone for something they did because they got caught, but to welcome people who've done the same thing in their past and simply didn't get caught.--Jonathan Vaughters

by majope on Dec 6, 2011 8:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Ha! No more taunting now

- we have a government
- we broke the world record government-making
- we’re the first country that has a gay prime minister

All in all the whole process has been very sucessful

by broerie on Dec 6, 2011 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Funny

To your and our media’s credit, I never knew he was gay.

"Beer helps." -- Ant1.

by tedvdw on Dec 6, 2011 8:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, openly gay!

A couple of gay-but-pretending-not-to-be over here!

Aka Pigeons!

by Sarah Connolly on Dec 6, 2011 8:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I have video

Link via the main banner at http://www.rabosport.nl/
or direct video page link http://rabowebtv.dutchview.nl/rabo20111206/video.php
or the direct streaming link in WMV format http://hosting.dutchview.nl/asx/rabo-vi-20111206.asx for use in, e.g., VLC Player (""open network stream")

"Beer helps." -- Ant1.

by tedvdw on Dec 6, 2011 8:19 AM EST reply actions  

Does opening it in VLC make it bigger?

It is ethically wrong to toss aside someone for something they did because they got caught, but to welcome people who've done the same thing in their past and simply didn't get caught.--Jonathan Vaughters

by majope on Dec 6, 2011 8:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Alas, no

Size 368×276

"Beer helps." -- Ant1.

by tedvdw on Dec 6, 2011 8:24 AM EST up reply actions  

No,

the “Flip4Mac” media components (the “player”) are free. Search “flip4mac download” or similar. Or try the link I gave for, also free, VLC Player.

"Beer helps." -- Ant1.

by tedvdw on Dec 6, 2011 8:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Ted, you are an angel!

I hope you got LOTS of presents from Sinterklaas!

Aka Pigeons!

by Sarah Connolly on Dec 6, 2011 8:33 AM EST up reply actions  

And was not beaten by 6-8 black men.

It is ethically wrong to toss aside someone for something they did because they got caught, but to welcome people who've done the same thing in their past and simply didn't get caught.--Jonathan Vaughters

by majope on Dec 6, 2011 8:34 AM EST up reply actions  

They have an audio only option, if you want to listen along.

Not much use if you don’t understand Dutch, but when they say the names you’ll know what ou’re missing.

It is ethically wrong to toss aside someone for something they did because they got caught, but to welcome people who've done the same thing in their past and simply didn't get caught.--Jonathan Vaughters

by majope on Dec 6, 2011 8:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Ou can't get away with the one-earbud look?

It is ethically wrong to toss aside someone for something they did because they got caught, but to welcome people who've done the same thing in their past and simply didn't get caught.--Jonathan Vaughters

by majope on Dec 6, 2011 8:23 AM EST up reply actions  

In Indiana, we drop our Ys.

Sometimes.

It is ethically wrong to toss aside someone for something they did because they got caught, but to welcome people who've done the same thing in their past and simply didn't get caught.--Jonathan Vaughters

by majope on Dec 6, 2011 8:23 AM EST up reply actions  

being at "work" and all

i won’t be able to watch every minute. i would appreciate screen shots of the important moment.

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Dec 6, 2011 8:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Which one is she again?

It is ethically wrong to toss aside someone for something they did because they got caught, but to welcome people who've done the same thing in their past and simply didn't get caught.--Jonathan Vaughters

by majope on Dec 6, 2011 8:24 AM EST up reply actions  

the vos-slayer.

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Dec 6, 2011 8:24 AM EST up reply actions  

In Bristol, they drop their Ms.

Sometimes.

It is ethically wrong to toss aside someone for something they did because they got caught, but to welcome people who've done the same thing in their past and simply didn't get caught.--Jonathan Vaughters

by majope on Dec 6, 2011 8:25 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Dec 6, 2011 8:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Ha!

True fact, real Bristolians add the letter L to the end of words that end in a vowel, or sound like they might (it’s not Ikea, it’s Ikeol, eg – or Sarol instead of Sarah)

Aka Pigeons!

by Sarah Connolly on Dec 6, 2011 8:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Who's the guy with the orange tie?

It is ethically wrong to toss aside someone for something they did because they got caught, but to welcome people who've done the same thing in their past and simply didn't get caught.--Jonathan Vaughters

by majope on Dec 6, 2011 8:26 AM EST reply actions  

Bah

"Beer helps." -- Ant1.

by tedvdw on Dec 6, 2011 8:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Ha!

It's pronounced "Int-CHOW-stie"

by Albertina on Dec 6, 2011 8:28 AM EST up reply actions  

For those without video, they're showing highlights of the year.

It is ethically wrong to toss aside someone for something they did because they got caught, but to welcome people who've done the same thing in their past and simply didn't get caught.--Jonathan Vaughters

by majope on Dec 6, 2011 8:29 AM EST reply actions  

Lots of video fun

in different languages, too

Aka Pigeons!

by Sarah Connolly on Dec 6, 2011 8:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Only men's highlights?

Hmmpf.

Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...

by TheFigurehead on Dec 6, 2011 8:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, they didn't have a women's team last year...

(Look at me giving benefit of the doubt! How unlike me!)

Aka Pigeons!

by Sarah Connolly on Dec 6, 2011 8:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but still

More Annemiek!

Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...

by TheFigurehead on Dec 6, 2011 8:36 AM EST up reply actions  

For Marianne-fans

Here’s a nice little video, with her interviewed in English, from the first Rabo team camp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrJJCNlhnD8&feature=player_embedded

Aka Pigeons!

by Sarah Connolly on Dec 6, 2011 8:41 AM EST reply actions  

it's been going in and out for me.

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Dec 6, 2011 8:42 AM EST up reply actions  

let's hope it doesn't crash.

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Dec 6, 2011 8:43 AM EST up reply actions  

har

"Beer helps." -- Ant1.

by tedvdw on Dec 6, 2011 8:45 AM EST up reply actions  

i like this

http://www.rabosport.com/user/KatieFnCompton

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Dec 6, 2011 8:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, that's interesting

So, only happy tweets from the rabo riders, from now on!

Aka Pigeons!

by Sarah Connolly on Dec 6, 2011 8:47 AM EST up reply actions  

They couldn't get her to model it??

Bah…

"...my reverse cyclelogy has paid off." -ant1

by VirtKitty on Dec 6, 2011 8:46 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Dec 6, 2011 8:48 AM EST up reply actions  

i see bald dude

but my feed keeps pausing

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Dec 6, 2011 8:48 AM EST up reply actions  

If anyone has VLC on a Mac, do this

File – Open File
check box “Treat as a pipe rather than as a file”
paste the stream link that ted gave into the box at the top:
http://hosting.dutchview.nl/asx/rabo-vi-20111206.asx

by straw dog on Dec 6, 2011 8:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Use "open network …" in the File menu

or type ⌘N. Paste the asx link in the text box there.

"Beer helps." -- Ant1.

by tedvdw on Dec 6, 2011 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

for some reason I couldn't get that to work

anyway, I guess it does the same thing? working nicely

by straw dog on Dec 6, 2011 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

cheers

"Beer helps." -- Ant1.

by tedvdw on Dec 6, 2011 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Your mirror

has graphs?

De cross gaat out that door.

by Chris Fontecchio on Dec 6, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Watching a two-up break

with a rabo jersey and a lampre jersey
is visually distressing

by straw dog on Dec 6, 2011 8:58 AM EST reply actions  

Tricky aspect ratio changes in the video

between the presentation stage (4:3) and archive footage (16:9). In VLC Player, it’s in the Video menu.

"Beer helps." -- Ant1.

by tedvdw on Dec 6, 2011 9:00 AM EST reply actions  

Does the webpage video change automatically?

Or is the archive video stretched vertically?

"Beer helps." -- Ant1.

by tedvdw on Dec 6, 2011 9:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, I hope so.

It is ethically wrong to toss aside someone for something they did because they got caught, but to welcome people who've done the same thing in their past and simply didn't get caught.--Jonathan Vaughters

by majope on Dec 6, 2011 9:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Critiques the UCI

on radios, obscure points system and long winding doping cases.

"Beer helps." -- Ant1.

by tedvdw on Dec 6, 2011 9:05 AM EST reply actions  

"We've noticed from our experience in banking

that government bailouts are a profitable business. Perhaps cycling could try some of that?"

by Jens on Dec 6, 2011 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Worst team presentation ever

How are the DDIFPs supposed to mock this? Now I demand riders wearing traditional Dutch clothes.

Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...

by TheFigurehead on Dec 6, 2011 9:07 AM EST reply actions  

Riding their bikes with clogs.

It is ethically wrong to toss aside someone for something they did because they got caught, but to welcome people who've done the same thing in their past and simply didn't get caught.--Jonathan Vaughters

by majope on Dec 6, 2011 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Majope, what time is it with you?

And is an early start worth it, for this?

Aka Pigeons!

by Sarah Connolly on Dec 6, 2011 9:11 AM EST reply actions  

Not that early. It's 9:15.

Was up at 5:15 to get the kid up and off to school. And I’m multi-tasking, trying to get a doll’s hair to stop sticking straight up.

It is ethically wrong to toss aside someone for something they did because they got caught, but to welcome people who've done the same thing in their past and simply didn't get caught.--Jonathan Vaughters

by majope on Dec 6, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

That made me laugh outloud!

For some cycling-PdC-doll-fun, I hope x 100000000000?

Aka Pigeons!

by Sarah Connolly on Dec 6, 2011 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes to Pigeons, no to Albertina.

Want a hint? I found a picture of what he’s supposed to look like.

It is ethically wrong to toss aside someone for something they did because they got caught, but to welcome people who've done the same thing in their past and simply didn't get caught.--Jonathan Vaughters

by majope on Dec 6, 2011 9:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Heh heh.

It is ethically wrong to toss aside someone for something they did because they got caught, but to welcome people who've done the same thing in their past and simply didn't get caught.--Jonathan Vaughters

by majope on Dec 6, 2011 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh!

(grin x 10000)

It's pronounced "Int-CHOW-stie"

by Albertina on Dec 6, 2011 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

YAY!!!!

You know the Barbies make me super-extra happy! I’m crossing my fingers for a whole review of 2011, in Barbies!

AND the Bliss team!

Aka Pigeons!

by Sarah Connolly on Dec 6, 2011 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Continental team

Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...

by TheFigurehead on Dec 6, 2011 9:15 AM EST reply actions  

Rick Zabel trying to speak Dutch?

Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...

by TheFigurehead on Dec 6, 2011 9:18 AM EST reply actions  

Yep

"Beer helps." -- Ant1.

by tedvdw on Dec 6, 2011 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

thought I could see a likeness

by straw dog on Dec 6, 2011 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

It will be interesting to see how he develops

last year was pretty good. He booked some big wins.

by broerie on Dec 6, 2011 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

yup

Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...

by TheFigurehead on Dec 6, 2011 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

(Erik)

"Beer helps." -- Ant1.

by tedvdw on Dec 6, 2011 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Cute shuffling boys' legs behind the presenter!

as they realise they sat in the wrong place!

Aka Pigeons!

by Sarah Connolly on Dec 6, 2011 9:19 AM EST reply actions  

PFWho?

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Dec 6, 2011 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Emil! Emil! Emil!

Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...

by TheFigurehead on Dec 6, 2011 9:24 AM EST reply actions  

That's where he got the hair

Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...

by TheFigurehead on Dec 6, 2011 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

snickarboden=carpenter shop?

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by majope on Dec 6, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes

It’s from a children’s book, the main character Emil does a lot of mischiefs and get sent to the carpenter shed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emil_i_L%C3%B6nneberga

Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...

by TheFigurehead on Dec 6, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh! From the Pippi author.

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by majope on Dec 6, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

It's this place:

From the Astrid Lindgren stories about “Emil i Lönneberga”, or words to that effect.

The one they used in the movie/series burned down 6 years ago.

by Holdenmate on Dec 6, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Not that far from where I live

Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...

by TheFigurehead on Dec 6, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps

The so called “Gryningspyromanen” is believed to have done it, not sure they have any evidence.
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gryningspyromanen

Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...

by TheFigurehead on Dec 6, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Quote from a TV show? Whom does he resemble?

"Beer helps." -- Ant1.

by tedvdw on Dec 6, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Harry Enfield

Three Scousers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIhFwLjsQug

(Scousers = a person from Liverpool)

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by Sarah Connolly on Dec 6, 2011 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Huh?

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by majope on Dec 7, 2011 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I think I used to find this funny

but seeing it again, it just seems strained now.
Not really much difference between this and the racist stereotyping in old comedy that we’d all now cringe at.

by straw dog on Dec 6, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think I ever found enfield esp funny

But your pointing out the resemblance to the rider was hilarious!

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by Sarah Connolly on Dec 6, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

why does my feed crap out now?

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Dec 6, 2011 9:26 AM EST reply actions  

damnit

did i miss PFP?

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Dec 6, 2011 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

mine too

"Beer helps." -- Ant1.

by tedvdw on Dec 6, 2011 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

bastards

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Dec 6, 2011 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't think so

but the feed is horrible by now.

"Beer helps." -- Ant1.

by tedvdw on Dec 6, 2011 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

It's kind of heart-shaped....

better than the Italian national teams’ odd red shape (still can’t imagine what they were thinking - so strange!)

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by Sarah Connolly on Dec 6, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

+1!

It is ethically wrong to toss aside someone for something they did because they got caught, but to welcome people who've done the same thing in their past and simply didn't get caught.--Jonathan Vaughters

by majope on Dec 6, 2011 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

He'll have to get to the point where we know his name first.

It is ethically wrong to toss aside someone for something they did because they got caught, but to welcome people who've done the same thing in their past and simply didn't get caught.--Jonathan Vaughters

by majope on Dec 6, 2011 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I wrote his name three times

But you don’t listen :(

Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...

by TheFigurehead on Dec 6, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, THAT'S Emil.

Is he going to be any good when he grows up?

It is ethically wrong to toss aside someone for something they did because they got caught, but to welcome people who've done the same thing in their past and simply didn't get caught.--Jonathan Vaughters

by majope on Dec 6, 2011 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

He's 26

Not that he looks like it. But he’s quite good.

Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...

by TheFigurehead on Dec 6, 2011 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Like many of the Swedish cycling pros

He went to school in Skara. I fear they get strange hair there.

Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...

by TheFigurehead on Dec 6, 2011 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

There's Compton.

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by majope on Dec 6, 2011 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes - wonder if she's not riding MTB next year

or just because she’s so much better at CX?

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by Sarah Connolly on Dec 6, 2011 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, they probably couldn't introduce her on both teams.

She would have to run backstage again in between.

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by majope on Dec 6, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

are you saying PFP won't be introduced with the women's team?

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Dec 6, 2011 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Women's team

OMG!! Iris in the team!!!!

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by Sarah Connolly on Dec 6, 2011 9:32 AM EST reply actions  

"Beer helps." -- Ant1.

by tedvdw on Dec 6, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

"Beer helps." -- Ant1.

by tedvdw on Dec 6, 2011 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

you did reply to the team list

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Dec 6, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Swooooon

Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...

by TheFigurehead on Dec 6, 2011 9:33 AM EST reply actions  

+many

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Dec 6, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

"Beer helps." -- Ant1.

by tedvdw on Dec 6, 2011 9:35 AM EST up reply actions  

exactly

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Dec 6, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

sigh...

Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...

by TheFigurehead on Dec 6, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

this video feed blows.

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Dec 6, 2011 9:35 AM EST reply actions  

i've done that a few times

not much improvement unfortunately

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Dec 6, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

alright,

back to work. see you folks later.

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Dec 6, 2011 9:41 AM EST reply actions  

Wow, look at that cut.

Only a Frenchwoman could get away with that!

It is ethically wrong to toss aside someone for something they did because they got caught, but to welcome people who've done the same thing in their past and simply didn't get caught.--Jonathan Vaughters

by majope on Dec 6, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

and can’t believe the charity auction for a dinner date with PFP
sold for only 67 Euros!

by straw dog on Dec 6, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Bluffy is so lucky!

It is ethically wrong to toss aside someone for something they did because they got caught, but to welcome people who've done the same thing in their past and simply didn't get caught.--Jonathan Vaughters

by majope on Dec 6, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

screw you guys

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Dec 6, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

i take that back

just saw the screenshots below. you guys are the awesomest.

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Dec 6, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I swear, she looks just like the 16-year-old boy down the street.

It is ethically wrong to toss aside someone for something they did because they got caught, but to welcome people who've done the same thing in their past and simply didn't get caught.--Jonathan Vaughters

by majope on Dec 6, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

If I’d known any boys who looked like that when I was 16, I’d totally be gay by now.

I saw a baby that looked like Cadel Evans the other day...

by John Cyclopunk on Dec 6, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, almost.

It is ethically wrong to toss aside someone for something they did because they got caught, but to welcome people who've done the same thing in their past and simply didn't get caught.--Jonathan Vaughters

by majope on Dec 6, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Renshaw in Rabo!

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by majope on Dec 6, 2011 9:46 AM EST reply actions  

Renshaw

"Beer helps." -- Ant1.

by tedvdw on Dec 6, 2011 9:49 AM EST reply actions  

LTD didn't get around to his face, I see.

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by majope on Dec 6, 2011 9:50 AM EST reply actions  

Ten Dam!

"Beer helps." -- Ant1.

by tedvdw on Dec 6, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I LOVED all his eye rolling!

Really wanted a screenshot of him in full-on crazy-eyed mode!

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by Sarah Connolly on Dec 6, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe a little blood would help her recognize him.

It is ethically wrong to toss aside someone for something they did because they got caught, but to welcome people who've done the same thing in their past and simply didn't get caught.--Jonathan Vaughters

by majope on Dec 6, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Tjallingii

"Beer helps." -- Ant1.

by tedvdw on Dec 6, 2011 9:50 AM EST reply actions  

Wow

That Compton kit is hideous

by tgsgirl on Dec 6, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

And even after a year, Lulu looks wrong in Rabokit.

It is ethically wrong to toss aside someone for something they did because they got caught, but to welcome people who've done the same thing in their past and simply didn't get caught.--Jonathan Vaughters

by majope on Dec 6, 2011 9:50 AM EST reply actions  

"Beer helps." -- Ant1.

by tedvdw on Dec 6, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Lulu

Who are Real Madrid playing? Lulu looks coy!

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by Sarah Connolly on Dec 6, 2011 9:51 AM EST reply actions  

Ajax Amsterdam

And they mentioned his brother, Pedro Leon Sanchez who played for Real last year.

Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...

by TheFigurehead on Dec 6, 2011 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Bling!

It is ethically wrong to toss aside someone for something they did because they got caught, but to welcome people who've done the same thing in their past and simply didn't get caught.--Jonathan Vaughters

by majope on Dec 6, 2011 9:55 AM EST reply actions  

EMO hair!

Refuses to dance – bah!

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by Sarah Connolly on Dec 6, 2011 9:55 AM EST reply actions  

Bling

Getting tired of everyone he meets asking him to do a silly dance.
Moral: don’t become famous for doing a silly dane.

by straw dog on Dec 6, 2011 9:56 AM EST reply actions  

Ha!

Some typos are irresistible.

It is ethically wrong to toss aside someone for something they did because they got caught, but to welcome people who've done the same thing in their past and simply didn't get caught.--Jonathan Vaughters

by majope on Dec 6, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

This is how rumors get started...

It is ethically wrong to toss aside someone for something they did because they got caught, but to welcome people who've done the same thing in their past and simply didn't get caught.--Jonathan Vaughters

by majope on Dec 6, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Silly dane

[insert THAT pic of the Chicken]

Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...

by TheFigurehead on Dec 6, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

NO

inserting anything like that, please.

"Beer helps." -- Ant1.

by tedvdw on Dec 6, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

That's just cruel.

It is ethically wrong to toss aside someone for something they did because they got caught, but to welcome people who've done the same thing in their past and simply didn't get caught.--Jonathan Vaughters

by majope on Dec 6, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Aaaaaargh

It's pronounced "Int-CHOW-stie"

by Albertina on Dec 6, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

can we ban this pic for good?

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Dec 6, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes. Yes we can.

It's pronounced "Int-CHOW-stie"

by Albertina on Dec 6, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

The Butterfly Effect.

This whole debacle started from leaving out the “c” in “dance”.

by straw dog on Dec 6, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Believe me,

if a wire brush and bleach worked on a Mac screen
I would be using them now.

by straw dog on Dec 6, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Chaos

"Beer helps." -- Ant1.

by tedvdw on Dec 6, 2011 9:59 AM EST reply actions  

"Jasje dicht!"

(close you jacket.) Very good.

"Beer helps." -- Ant1.

by tedvdw on Dec 6, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

your

"Beer helps." -- Ant1.

by tedvdw on Dec 6, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

This whole thing does kind of look like it was organized by the vicar

in the local church hall.
Will there be little old ladies serving tea and cakes after?

by straw dog on Dec 6, 2011 10:02 AM EST reply actions  

You know Rabobank.

Always a bit boring. Part of their corporate image.

by blackswangreen on Dec 6, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Vos et al.

"Beer helps." -- Ant1.

by tedvdw on Dec 6, 2011 10:07 AM EST reply actions  

"Beer helps." -- Ant1.

by tedvdw on Dec 6, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for all the screenshots, ted and Sarah!

It is ethically wrong to toss aside someone for something they did because they got caught, but to welcome people who've done the same thing in their past and simply didn't get caught.--Jonathan Vaughters

by majope on Dec 6, 2011 10:09 AM EST reply actions  

Was fun!

Just gutted I missed the full eye-rolling-gurning-stubble shot cos I was laughing too much!

(Hope the Barbie hair is all sorted out now!)

Aka Pigeons!

by Sarah Connolly on Dec 6, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, I was hoping once I got it to lie flattish I might be able to put some wave in it.

But I think just getting it to cover all or most of the scalp is going to have to be good enough.

It is ethically wrong to toss aside someone for something they did because they got caught, but to welcome people who've done the same thing in their past and simply didn't get caught.--Jonathan Vaughters

by majope on Dec 6, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Can you use hair straighteners on dolls?

Or doe it melt the hair? How about a cool iron?

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by Sarah Connolly on Dec 6, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

For starters, I just washed it and used some gel, while trying to figure out the part.

Don’t know if it will work, but here’s the before (doll on the left—and it doesn’t do the mess justice). Next up would be boiling water, if necessary.

It is ethically wrong to toss aside someone for something they did because they got caught, but to welcome people who've done the same thing in their past and simply didn't get caught.--Jonathan Vaughters

by majope on Dec 6, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Dunno why it reminded me

but did you see the shot of the Liqui-guys in the sauna last week?

(hmmm, socks + sweaty lycra + post-training boys in the sauna… pass the nose pegs!)

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by Sarah Connolly on Dec 6, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I posted the link!

It is ethically wrong to toss aside someone for something they did because they got caught, but to welcome people who've done the same thing in their past and simply didn't get caught.--Jonathan Vaughters

by majope on Dec 6, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Not yet. That I can do, more or less.

It is ethically wrong to toss aside someone for something they did because they got caught, but to welcome people who've done the same thing in their past and simply didn't get caught.--Jonathan Vaughters

by majope on Dec 6, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Excellent :)

It's pronounced "Int-CHOW-stie"

by Albertina on Dec 6, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

It's pronounced "Int-CHOW-stie"

by Albertina on Dec 6, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Ditto!

Just got a chance to read this thread now. Got a kick out of all the comments too.

by Veloki on Dec 7, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

So, not the most flashy of team presentations

but all of you guys meant I still had fun!

Which team will give us the maddest show this year? And OMG, can’t wait for a cross between Layopard madness and American understatedness when it’s time for the leopardshacks!

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by Sarah Connolly on Dec 6, 2011 10:17 AM EST reply actions  

Goodness

It's pronounced "Int-CHOW-stie"

by Albertina on Dec 6, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh I've seen it!

It's pronounced "Int-CHOW-stie"

by Albertina on Dec 6, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

My hair is turning grey

At least the part that’s not disappearing.

Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...

by TheFigurehead on Dec 6, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

You know what it made me think of?

I saw a baby that looked like Cadel Evans the other day...

by John Cyclopunk on Dec 6, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Hahaha

Yes, of course!

Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...

by TheFigurehead on Dec 6, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Apparently because of the high number of viewers, it was crashy everywhere

So they’ll be putting it up on the rabosport.com site as an on-demand viewing possibility

Aka Pigeons!

by Sarah Connolly on Dec 6, 2011 10:32 AM EST reply actions  

Missed it.

Women jersey does not look good. That is all.
Anyone spotted Gesink at the presentation? It would be nice to hear some news from him.
This gets me excited about new season. Thanks for the pictures

by pmrlo on Dec 6, 2011 10:51 AM EST reply actions  

Yes, they talked to him.

There’s a screenshot up above, and ted quotes him as saying he’s doing well.

It is ethically wrong to toss aside someone for something they did because they got caught, but to welcome people who've done the same thing in their past and simply didn't get caught.--Jonathan Vaughters

by majope on Dec 6, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

They let "us" decide

from two different designs.

"Beer helps." -- Ant1.

by tedvdw on Dec 6, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

it does look odd

and why not make it the same as the men’s jersey? if you’re gonna change it, try improving it. the big white spot almost looks like they’re waiting for another sponsor. insert your logo here, and while you’re at it, fill in the background for us.

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Dec 6, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

my last comment…

by ceccovb on Dec 8, 2011 2:20 AM EST up reply actions  

For practical reasons as well as tradition

I’m pretty sure Chris will stick with Omloop as the first race. Not a 100% sure but 99.

by Jens on Dec 8, 2011 3:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Got that right

We can’t deal with the VDS starting any earlier.

De cross gaat out that door.

by Chris Fontecchio on Dec 8, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

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