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Introducing Women's racing VDS!

Meredith Miller, Tibco

You've all come to know and love the Virtual Director Sportif competition that just opened it's 5:th season here on the Cafe. Now the time has come to step things up a notch with a full yearlong competition focused on the women's calendar. Those of you who have already played the VDS will recognize the fundamentals of the game and those who haven't, will find that it is very simple. It takes one minute to learn and a lifetime to master.

Why would you want to play?Virtual-ds-2_medium
Well, first of all to test your cycling-knowledge and win bragging-rights against your, clearly inferior, friends and competitors at the PdC. For those of you that suck something awful at the men's game, and you know who you are, this is the perfect chance to redeem yourself in a much more challenging game.
There will also be some moderately swanky prizes for the Top 3 teams and a spectacular special-prize for the player who manages the best combined result in the men's and women's VDS.
The biggest bonus though comes from the extra insight you get by playing the WVDS. Picking and following a women's team is by far the most fun way to learn more about the riders and teams.

Throughout the season there will be updated standings after every race so you can follow your teams inevitable demise progress all the way.

Read on to learn more about the rules and how to enter.

Star-divide

The basic rules of the game:

  • - One team per player, no exceptions
  • - Final deadline: Team must be submitted before February 23, the day of the first race
  • - Your team must consist of exactly 15 riders chosen from the list of available riders.
  • - You are allowed to spend no more than 150 points on riders
  • - You are not allowed to spend more than 100 points on riders costing 25 points or more.
  • - Riders score points by placing in selected races according to the points system.
  • - The team with the highest score at the end of the World Championships wins.

Calendar & Scoring

To simplify things the scoring is basically the same as in the men's VDS and the race-categories are also roughly the same:

  1. Cat 1: Major Stageraces
  2. Cat 2: World Cup & World Championships
  3. Cat 3: Top Stageraces
  4. Cat 4: Top One-day races
  5. Cat 5: Other One-day races
  6. Cat 6: National Calendar races
  7. National Championships (Road & Timetrial)

Cat. 6 differs a bit from the men's competition in that it consists of smaller races, often national race-series that may not attract many foreign teams but nonetheless often boast very strong startfields. One thing to note is that due to the financial realities, races have a tendency to come and go. There is a pretty good chance that one or two of the listed races will not happen and should that happen those race will not be replaced. You can find the full calendar and the scoring system here. In that list you will also find handy links to race websites and race previews from last year that contain nuggets of info to help you pick your team. The rider list is also laced with links to help you find out more about the riders and help you follow them throughout the season. All of this, as well as all of the technical knowhow that makes this possible, is courtesy of a lot of hard work by Monty.

How to submit your entry.

Simply download this WVDS entry spreadsheet. On the left you have a full list of available riders and on the right is the form to enter your team data in. To select a rider click an empty box and select the rider from the dropdown list that appears at the arrow. Fill the 15 spots, make sure you are within budget and haven't spent more than 100 pointson 25-65 point riders. Then give your team a cool name, enter your PdC logon-name and email, save the spreadsheet renaming it after your team-name and email it to:

womensvds(at)yahoo.com  (at=@)

Entries need to be in by Wednesday, February 23, Noon US Pacific time. If you for some reason you can't get the spreadsheet to work for you, email a list of the riders you want and we'll fix it. Should there be a problem with your team we will contact you through the email on the entryform and give you a chance to correct it. Changes can be made until Feb 23 but to avoid me having a mental breakdown let's keep the changes to a minimum. Please wait until you are reasonably sure of your choices to submit your team. Grazie.

So, pretty please, with sugar on top, build a f***ing team.

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Yay!

Thanks so much, Jens and Monty!

Now, to have Vos in my team or not…..?

by Sarah Connolly on Feb 1, 2011 3:52 PM EST reply actions  

I WANNA PLAY!!! but...

Forgot about a rider: Kelly Benjamin on Forno D’Asolo. (was possibly going to pick her, a.k.a. DIBS!)

by Shauna Staveley on Feb 1, 2011 3:55 PM EST reply actions  

She's not on the team list

at least not on the version on the UCI website. I’ve added her in without a team on the new (working) version of the spreadsheet. That’s the one ending in 04

by Monty. on Feb 1, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Great

now I can lose in two sexes

moo

by Willj on Feb 1, 2011 3:57 PM EST reply actions  

wait

is that better or worse than losing in one sex?

If cobble delusions are wrong, who wants to be right? -JFS PGH

by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 1, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

it's better

than losing at sex

Death before decaf! :D
- gavia

by tgsgirl on Feb 1, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure how

one loses at sex.. nor do I intend to find out.

Anyone who has every thought a working Photojournalist has a glam job needs to rethink...

by Christopher See on Feb 1, 2011 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

"how about a nice game of chess...."

Anyone who has every thought a working Photojournalist has a glam job needs to rethink...

by Christopher See on Feb 2, 2011 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm fairly sure Lacan would have some ideas about that...

…but I’m not going to elaborate, because, well, it’d make my head hurt.

by Ed K on Feb 2, 2011 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Lacuna!

"dumped for Greipel?!"

by JFS_PGH on Feb 2, 2011 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Woo hoo! Another chance to suck!

It definitely got played into the ground. Even I was flinching after a while--Tyler Farrar, on that Transitions ad.

by majope on Feb 1, 2011 3:57 PM EST reply actions  

side bet?

loser buys Jens slippers?

moo

by Willj on Feb 1, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure!

But since we both think we’re going to do poorly, would I lose by doing worse or better than you?

It definitely got played into the ground. Even I was flinching after a while--Tyler Farrar, on that Transitions ad.

by majope on Feb 1, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

to be clear

we buy him slippers … we don’t buy his slippers … that’d be gross

moo

by Willj on Feb 1, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay, you're on! And Jens, you may as well email me your address now...

Rest assured that I have no intention of selling it to People for the Ethical Treatment of ‘Beccos. I don’t even know what one euro is worth, much less fifty thousand.

It definitely got played into the ground. Even I was flinching after a while--Tyler Farrar, on that Transitions ad.

by majope on Feb 1, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

f***

now I am motivated to pick a good team

moo

by Willj on Feb 1, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

So

if sandbagging intensity is any indicator of a strong competition, this should be excellent.

If cobble delusions are wrong, who wants to be right? -JFS PGH

by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 1, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

seriously

I’m already excited. Can I pick Cunego?

by Jen See on Feb 1, 2011 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

The little Princess?

"It was getting colder and colder as we went up. About halfway up, I started to go a little backwards and as I passed Thor he looked at me and said, "If you lose my wheel I will smash you." I took his wheel and found an extra gear." João Correia

by jsallee00 on Feb 1, 2011 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Isn't he pretty in pink?

LOL, mostly just joking about my inastute picking of Cunego in the past. It didn’t go well for me ;)

by Jen See on Feb 1, 2011 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

not sure if it's just me

but for some reason, Vos shows up as two points when added to the list.

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Feb 1, 2011 4:21 PM EST reply actions  

i see why now

for some reason, the list on the second tab isn’t really alphabetical, and the vlookup doesn’t have the FALSE condition.

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Feb 1, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Gosh, the things you learn here

“Until recently the letter ‹w› was treated as a variant form of ‹v› at least for sorting purposes, and this practice is still commonly encountered.”

Straight from wiki

by Monty. on Feb 1, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Feb 1, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

fixed

My bags are guaranteed sand-free.

by Jens on Feb 1, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Did you tell Ted

He can’t pick Liz 10 times?

by Mr Van P on Feb 1, 2011 5:06 PM EST reply actions  

We were hoping to break it gently

He’s having a hard time with the Landis story, he’s in a fragile state.

My bags are guaranteed sand-free.

by Jens on Feb 1, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm trying to figure out who I am going to pick.

    But first I will need a list of all the scheduled interviews so I know who is going to win.

    Second I did find Horizon Fitness but I didn’t see Nancy Arrieta, no fair holding out, she will win something, it’s her destiny!

The skills really do go away if not practiced, and I don't mean to brag but I was getting very mediocre. - Tejay Van Garderen

by flying dog on Feb 1, 2011 5:09 PM EST reply actions  

Should there be a rider you would like but is not on the list

mention her here in the comments and we will add her for 1 point.

My bags are guaranteed sand-free.

by Jens on Feb 1, 2011 5:37 PM EST reply actions  

2 Riders

Nancy Arreola (HOF)
Helen Wyman… she’ll be a blank team though as she’s a Kona rider and only rides as a guest for HOF

by S2_art on Feb 1, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh yea. I screwed up her last name above.

    Go Nancy!

The skills really do go away if not practiced, and I don't mean to brag but I was getting very mediocre. - Tejay Van Garderen

by flying dog on Feb 1, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

1 to add please.

Clara Hughes.
Also a blank team.

by fancan on Feb 1, 2011 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Number of teams versus invites to big races.

are there a way to see what teams are invited to what races?

by Uphill on Feb 1, 2011 5:54 PM EST reply actions  

No way :-)

Really hard to find that kind of info beforehand. Result-lists are a good indicator of what teams were in a race. Mostly

Perhaps the best way is to look at results from 2010 at CQ. That will give you an idea what teams do which races.

My bags are guaranteed sand-free.

by Jens on Feb 1, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

But then

we didn’t even have that info for the men last season. How many threads did we have about who gets Giro/Tour/Vuelta wild cards?

There’s an alpine divide for most of the smaller races (Gallia est omnis divisa …), but the big names usually ride all the big ones. Even if it is in national squads or strange multi-team alliances (I’m thinking lime-green with convict stripes here). National races will have national fields, but we wanted to add a few more races where people not named Vos would score.

by Monty. on Feb 1, 2011 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Quick guide to team eligibility

(which admittedly doesn’t help with which teams will race where)

World Cup
- UCI women’s teams
- National teams
1.1 + 2.1
- UCI women’s teams
- National teams
- Regional and club teams
1.2 + 2.2
- UCI women’s teams
- National teams
- Regional and club teams
- Mixed Teams

The organiser of a WE 1 event must invite:
- the 5 first national federations in the elite women’s classification by nation on 31 December of
the year preceding the year of his event **
- the 10 first UCI women’s teams in the first elite women’s classification by team published in
the year of the event.
(The organiser must accept entries from above mentioned teams who have responded positively to an invitation)

  • On the rankings at season end 2010 as per the UCI website this would be:
    Netherlands, Germany, Great Britain, Italy, and Sweden

This is a spreadsheet with the races in race category order some may find useful.

by andrewp on Feb 2, 2011 3:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Looking at the National Teams

I never know what to think.

For instance, Teams GB & (& Aus to a lesser extent) Aus had great teams last year – but most of their riders were signed with pro teams this year – which is the best reason for including national teams in the races. The Netherlands & Italian teams brought together top riders whose trade teams weren’t riding – which is a fabulous tactic, but doing something completely different….

I like Team Aus getting invites, because that solves an issue for strong riders who don’t want to have to ride for 6 months on the other side of the world – so riders who have families (like Ruth Corset) or jobs (like Lisa Jacobs) – or who can have a halfway step before taking the plunge & signing for a trade team. Team USA does this, as well – and it’s a great thing, for non-European countries. And I guess it WAS great that eg Nicole Cooke and Trixi Worrack got rides in major races, when Skyter collapsed – but Aus & USA aside, I’d rather the places in the races went to the smaller teams (esp those that pay their riders) to encourage the sport, & give sponsors something back.

yes, yes, what I want is impossible! Again!

by Sarah Connolly on Feb 2, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I can see why they do it

but on the whole I suspect the inclusion of national teams is one of the factors making it more difficult to form a decent trade team structure.

"What happened in British Cycling, a lot of people doubted me. I've come back, got this victory, and done it my way." - Adam Blythe after his first pro win at Circuit Franco Belge

by civetta on Feb 2, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Indeed

Plus, there’s less incentive for national federations to encourage men’s teams to get involved – I know I’m not always rational in re Team Sky & their lack of any support for women, but I do wonder if British Cycling might have tried to advocate for a women’s team, in their deal with Sky, if they didn’t have the national team option

by Sarah Connolly on Feb 2, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that's perfectly rational

& actually, it’s just one example of a general principle. The idea that riders of the calibre of Cooke & Worrack would have been left without a team last year is unthinkable, but perhaps the hierarchy of the sport was rather less bothered than it ought to have been because there was always the option of national teams picking up the pieces.

"What happened in British Cycling, a lot of people doubted me. I've come back, got this victory, and done it my way." - Adam Blythe after his first pro win at Circuit Franco Belge

by civetta on Feb 2, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Cromwell & Taylor are the only Aust riders that left Team Oz to Pro Teams

But Corsett has gone into the Oz program. So Taylor & Corsett just switched places. Apart from that it’s the usual suspects, Spratt, Braun (Classics only), Kitchen, Gillow & Light.

by AdelaideFatboy on Feb 3, 2011 5:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Monty and Jens rock..

if we have to holds an eds league draft for women too, we’re never gonna get the season going.

Anyone who has every thought a working Photojournalist has a glam job needs to rethink...

by Christopher See on Feb 1, 2011 6:33 PM EST reply actions  

PS this post pught to have a picture

Like this one:

Anyone who has every thought a working Photojournalist has a glam job needs to rethink...

by Christopher See on Feb 1, 2011 6:36 PM EST reply actions  

er uh this one...

Anyone who has every thought a working Photojournalist has a glam job needs to rethink...

by Christopher See on Feb 1, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Rudy?

Damn we missed her too, there’s no Rudy on the list.

My bags are guaranteed sand-free.

by Jens on Feb 1, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't sweat it Jens.

    We all know that Rudy is a project.

The skills really do go away if not practiced, and I don't mean to brag but I was getting very mediocre. - Tejay Van Garderen

by flying dog on Feb 2, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Jeannie Longo is listed at 4, but comes up as 1 if you select her in the drop-down menu.

It definitely got played into the ground. Even I was flinching after a while--Tyler Farrar, on that Transitions ad.

by majope on Feb 1, 2011 6:44 PM EST reply actions  

change the formula in column I to

=IF(ISNA),"",VLOOKUP)

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Feb 1, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

that's not what i tried to type, one more time:

weird, it won’t show it correctly.
anyway, after the two "2"s in the formula, add “,FALSE”

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Feb 1, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmm. Not sure what I'm doing wrong, but I get an error message when I try that.

It definitely got played into the ground. Even I was flinching after a while--Tyler Farrar, on that Transitions ad.

by majope on Feb 1, 2011 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Yay!

Super awesome. Can’t wait. Thanks to Monty and Jens for going crazy with the data over the past year and making this thing happen!

by Jen See on Feb 1, 2011 7:02 PM EST reply actions  

+1

I am in awe at your dedication. Amazing job by you both

by S2_art on Feb 1, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously

Monty’s been keeping track of points and such since the beginning of last season, I believe.

by Jen See on Feb 1, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Soooo cool

And really, great job for pulling this together.

by Ed K on Feb 2, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Hooray! Old school spreadsheets!

I can sit at work & pretend I’m tinkering with my budgets. :-)

"What happened in British Cycling, a lot of people doubted me. I've come back, got this victory, and done it my way." - Adam Blythe after his first pro win at Circuit Franco Belge

by civetta on Feb 1, 2011 7:07 PM EST reply actions  

Yay! Two VDS teams submitted in two days.

Since I don’t yet know much about womens cycling, I picked mostly Canadians. Sure I’m biased but meh, Go Canada Go!

by ykgday on Feb 1, 2011 7:22 PM EST reply actions  

me too

A whole lot of Forno D’Asolo Colavita riders. YUP!

by Shauna Staveley on Feb 1, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Hells Yeah!

Thank you VDS folks for doing this. Beyond awesome this is.

by Megabeth on Feb 1, 2011 7:29 PM EST reply actions  

This reminds me of the first year of VDS

Didn’t know much about the sport other than the Tour and big name riders, and learned boatloads in one VDS season following the races and all the riders. Can’t wait to get educated about women’s cycling.

"Thanks again, Floyd Landis, Yellow Jersey Wearer: Nuisance Category"

by PopUp Rolen on Feb 1, 2011 8:15 PM EST reply actions  

and now

look at you. Wait, never mind.

If cobble delusions are wrong, who wants to be right? -JFS PGH

by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 1, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm most of the way there..

also wouldn’t Meredith Miller (and TIBCO) be proud to be the first Women’s VDS Poster Girl?

Anyone who has every thought a working Photojournalist has a glam job needs to rethink...

by Christopher See on Feb 1, 2011 8:34 PM EST reply actions  

Thank you...

… for providing a fun way to learn. Though I have to admit that I found my ignorance terribly freeing in this case. I’ve never drafted a VDS team so quickly!

by paisley on Feb 1, 2011 9:17 PM EST reply actions  

Shall we rec this?

The skills really do go away if not practiced, and I don't mean to brag but I was getting very mediocre. - Tejay Van Garderen

by flying dog on Feb 2, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh this is super! Big thanks to you for putting this together guys!

I’m going to take the plunge and chose a team…this afternoon!

De cross gaat door!

by Albertina on Feb 2, 2011 8:40 AM EST reply actions  

I guess this will take some getting used to.

Great start for the Lotto Honda girls here in Qatar with @RochelleGilmore taking out stage 1 the team rode really well together for 1st race

Tweeted two hours ago by Tiffany Cromwell. That’s as much news about podiums as I’ve found.

The skills really do go away if not practiced, and I don't mean to brag but I was getting very mediocre. - Tejay Van Garderen

by flying dog on Feb 2, 2011 10:36 AM EST reply actions  

There was a breakaway at the end with a lot of strong riders

Gilmore won over Bronzini, Hosking, Van Dijk and Lucy Martin. Only 12 in the front group, 3 at 6 seconds and then virtually the rest at 16 seconds.

by Vlaanderen90 on Feb 2, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

alright, she's on my team

of course qatar doesn’t count, but still.

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Feb 2, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

What else do we have to go by?*

    *Without doing very much research.

The skills really do go away if not practiced, and I don't mean to brag but I was getting very mediocre. - Tejay Van Garderen

by flying dog on Feb 2, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Can I plug myself?

Have a look at my Top Trumps posts - they might give a bit of an idea.

(Everything Monty’s ever written might be more useful, but that DOES take longer!)

by Sarah Connolly on Feb 2, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Oooh, helpful. I already had a handful of these, and will look more closely at the others.

Thanks!

It definitely got played into the ground. Even I was flinching after a while--Tyler Farrar, on that Transitions ad.

by majope on Feb 2, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

As long as you bear in mind that my methods of selecting riders is a tad, erm eclectic

Sadly things like started riding at age 30/Has broken every bone in her body/Has a great twitter/Has a secret double life are more likely to get riders in there than plamares to die for…. ;-D

by Sarah Connolly on Feb 2, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Here goes nothing!

No, seriously, here goes winning nothing… I got Emma J, which makes me happy, and a girl I know from the midwest collegiate scene. Besides that, there is no method to the madness.

My fruit bowl is full of sex wax--gavia

by Douglas Ansel on Feb 2, 2011 10:56 AM EST reply actions  

that's more or less what i did

i started with Emilia Fahlin, for obvious reasons, and then added random names i recognized, mostly from stuff here at the cafe, and a bunch of french racers.

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Feb 2, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, heck.

I just spent the morning putting a team together…then when I was entering the names, realized I’d done a 25-person team instead of 15.

Back to the drawing board!

It definitely got played into the ground. Even I was flinching after a while--Tyler Farrar, on that Transitions ad.

by majope on Feb 2, 2011 11:01 AM EST reply actions  

I have, however, settled on my team name.

It definitely got played into the ground. Even I was flinching after a while--Tyler Farrar, on that Transitions ad.

by majope on Feb 2, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Tis should be interesting

I only have a middle level of understanding of mens. I have no real level of understanding of women’s racing so my list is pretty odd I’m sure.

Just spinning the pedals in the hills of Western Maryland

by natbla on Feb 2, 2011 12:22 PM EST reply actions  

I managed to pick a team without Marianne Vos

I’m pretty amazed at that.

My fruit bowl is full of sex wax--gavia

by Douglas Ansel on Feb 2, 2011 12:24 PM EST reply actions  

I think it's possible

based on the way the points work to pick a very good team without Vos.

by Jen See on Feb 2, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Mine doesn't have Vos. At the moment.

It definitely got played into the ground. Even I was flinching after a while--Tyler Farrar, on that Transitions ad.

by majope on Feb 2, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I haven't had a chance to do mine up

But I can see how it’s possible after working on the pricing. We sorta did that on purpose :)

by Jen See on Feb 2, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I figured. You people are crafty like that.

It definitely got played into the ground. Even I was flinching after a while--Tyler Farrar, on that Transitions ad.

by majope on Feb 2, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Crafty?

Ha! Me and numbers, it’s more like feeble.

by Jen See on Feb 2, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

If everyone avoids Vos due to avoiding "eggs in one basket" problems,

Does that mean her cost was wrong? I, too, chose otherwise.

"dumped for Greipel?!"

by JFS_PGH on Feb 2, 2011 2:17 PM EST reply actions  

We were trying to find a way round

the pick Vos or lose problem. Or at least a solution that didn’t involve physical violence.

by Monty. on Feb 2, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I get that. Just wondering what you'll do, if you decide you overcompensated.

Not relevant if she’s already showing up on a fair number of submitted teams, of course.

"dumped for Greipel?!"

by JFS_PGH on Feb 3, 2011 12:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Much like the first season (or two?) of the regular VDS

this involves a fair bit of trial and error. It’s really hard to predict how the pricing and calendar will affect behaviour. The prices are in most cases based on the previous season’s score with some strategic adjustments. Next year with more data we can look at what worked and what didn’t, so far it’s mostly a lot of guessing and speculating.

There are probably 33 things wrong with the pricing this year but with the same kinds of tweaks that Chris and Ursula have made from year to year there will be fewer “easy picks” as the pricing gets more accurate (if the game is popular and we continue for more seasons that is). The goal is always to make it so there is not one obvious road to success and we’ll see if we struck the right balance with Vos.

My bags are guaranteed sand-free.

by Jens on Feb 3, 2011 2:29 AM EST up reply actions  

yep

Like, as if we can predict what all you loopy people are going to do? ;)

by Jen See on Feb 3, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

No no, we factored in the loopy

It’s the odd sane ones that are the wild cards.

My bags are guaranteed sand-free.

by Jens on Feb 3, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Sane?

There are sane ones? Where?!

by Jen See on Feb 3, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Probably lurkers.

It definitely got played into the ground. Even I was flinching after a while--Tyler Farrar, on that Transitions ad.

by majope on Feb 3, 2011 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Renn and Stimpy for the

litterbox.

Anyone who has every thought a working Photojournalist has a glam job needs to rethink...

by Christopher See on Feb 2, 2011 2:17 PM EST reply actions  

Hey, no mocking

I translate emails to and from race directors for her in Flemish, and I get to sign with ‘assistant to the St. Kitts and Nevis cycling federation’ :)

Death before decaf! :D
- gavia

by tgsgirl on Feb 2, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Awesome

Do they need you to be at the main office every few weeks?

by tedvdw on Feb 2, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm working on it

I feel I can’t be sincere in my job if I don’t experience first hand what the nation is really like. It’d be like cheating. And I don’t cheat.

Death before decaf! :D
- gavia

by tgsgirl on Feb 2, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, I thought I'd followed women's racing reasonably attentively the last couple of seasons

but my first attempt at picking a team just shows how utterly ignorant I am. :-(

"What happened in British Cycling, a lot of people doubted me. I've come back, got this victory, and done it my way." - Adam Blythe after his first pro win at Circuit Franco Belge

by civetta on Feb 2, 2011 4:31 PM EST reply actions  

Please note that we have included basically all the teams we have found data on

If the men’s VDS had included all the Conti teams and teams with riders focusing on cross and track you would be a little lost looking at that list too.

My bags are guaranteed sand-free.

by Jens on Feb 2, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually I'm now using Monty's sorted-by-teams list

which has made me feel slightly better if not hugely optimistic. ;-)

"What happened in British Cycling, a lot of people doubted me. I've come back, got this victory, and done it my way." - Adam Blythe after his first pro win at Circuit Franco Belge

by civetta on Feb 2, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Why sad face?

It’s part of the fun of doing this.

If you think you’ve got it bad, spare a thought for some people in Aigle are baffled in who to pick because there’s no mention of cup size.

by S2_art on Feb 2, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

If I'm pessimistic before I start

any improvement on last place will be a small triumph, won’t it? ;-)

"What happened in British Cycling, a lot of people doubted me. I've come back, got this victory, and done it my way." - Adam Blythe after his first pro win at Circuit Franco Belge

by civetta on Feb 2, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Improvement guaranteed!

Pretty sure I’ll be near the bottom… hoping to learn for next year!

My fruit bowl is full of sex wax--gavia

by Douglas Ansel on Feb 3, 2011 1:34 AM EST up reply actions  

snort

I so just got water up my nose right then.

Bad Stuart, very bad Stuart.

by Jen See on Feb 2, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you!

Done! I will not even pretend that I know what I was doing!
So I chose the easiest way possible: Marianne + Ina + several Russian Beauties.
I know, I know what you going to say!
But for me it is Olympic principal: " Participation is more important then win"

"I love bike races warm up, warm down, cobbles mountains or flats."
perezbike

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by holmovka on Feb 2, 2011 5:24 PM EST reply actions  

Done and submitted

I was gonna wait until closer to the deadline, but then I realized that nothing was gonna change for me. So what the hey, I’m all in with fingers crossed.

by VirtKitty on Feb 4, 2011 8:26 PM EST reply actions  

We've yet to kick off and we've already lost our first race

well actually we lost another couple in the final week of faffing around before we went public, the Trophee des Grimpeurs scheduled for May 1st and the GP de France on 29th May, but we pretended that they weren’t on the list anyway. Now the Ladies Berry Classic planned for April 10th has also been cancelled.

by Monty. on Feb 6, 2011 6:24 PM EST reply actions  

National Champions

National champions who score you points are those who win their titles while the game is on. So Marissa van der Merwe‘s victory yesterday in the road race, and Cherise Taylor’s in the TT on Thursday get you nothing.

by Monty. on Feb 6, 2011 6:28 PM EST reply actions  

Problem

My computer only has a has MS Works spreadsheet so all I can get are the names of the cyclists. There is not an application form or drop down menu in sight. It looks as if I’ll have to sit this game out. Boo Hoo.

by Cotman on Feb 9, 2011 5:31 PM EST reply actions  

No drop down menu for me either

Just use excel (or whatever equivalent you have)? You have the riders, you have the prices, you have the rules…

Death before decaf! :D
- gavia

by tgsgirl on Feb 9, 2011 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Can you see the entry area in cells H6-H20?

if so then copy the names you want from the second page of the spreadsheet to there (does Works do multi-page spreadsheets?), then send that in. The names on the second page are in the format of Last name comma first name.

If that doesn’t work you can try the spreadsheet at Google docs. Or if nothing else works just mail in a team.

by Monty. on Feb 10, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

A couple more changes to the calendar already

Tuttobici has a press release out from the Trofeo Costa Etrusca people talking about a fun-filled weekend with two exciting days of fun, which sort of ignores the fact that they are timetabled for three days in the calendar.

The GP de Suisse, a one day TT that is usually squeezed in by shutting the roads for the TT in the Tour de Suisse one hour earlier has vanished. Does that race not have a TT this year?

The Holland Ladies Tour is now the Profile Ladies Tour. Presumably last year’s sponsor was persuaded to stay on.

The last round of the Belgian domestic trophy, previously known as Ruien-Kluisbergen has now been replaced by the more impressively titled Finale Lotto Cycling Cup – Breendonk. Is that a completely new race, rather than just a name change?

by Monty. on Feb 11, 2011 6:45 AM EST reply actions  

Madame Tussauds Wax Museum is complete

and gives me another reason to follow the pro women this year. Thanks Podium Cafe…

by TC_ on Feb 14, 2011 3:11 AM EST reply actions  

Deadline for submitting teams?
Entries need to be in by Wednesday, February 23, Noon US Pacific time.

Is this not too late as the first race starts in New Zealand on Wednesday?
US Pacific = GMT-8, New Zealand = GMT+13 => 21 hours difference, so in my opinion they already finished the first stage long before the deadline.

by FrankV on Feb 18, 2011 11:26 AM EST reply actions  

We reckon

that by the time the news gets out we’ll have hit the deadline anyway. Plus there’s a largeish chunk of the peloton made up of local riders who probably aren’t on our list and won’t ride in any more races on our other list, so we’re crossing our fingers for a break to stay away.

by Monty. on Feb 18, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

OK

I will send in my team on Tuesday evening (CET = GMT+1) anyhow.

by FrankV on Feb 18, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

The other excuse

is that it took a couple of years to, erm, iron out the complications, in the men’s game. We’ve probably made some bigger deliberate mistakes.

by Monty. on Feb 18, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Mac (L)user here

How can I open the spreadsheet?

by Izzy Eviel on Feb 19, 2011 4:09 PM EST reply actions  

Or

Just pick riders manually from this list and email the names . Please check that you are within budget etc though.

My bags are guaranteed sand-free.

by Jens on Feb 20, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

One more race gone

the Trofeo Costa Etrusca is now down to a single race on Sunday 20th March.

by Monty. on Feb 20, 2011 9:42 AM EST reply actions  

If you've already bought your MCipollini replica jersey, then hang on to it. It may become a collectors item

After just one race, MCipollini–Giordana are changing their name to MCipollini–Giambenini

by Monty. on Feb 20, 2011 9:49 AM EST reply actions  

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