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Mark Cavendish wins the prize for possibly the most inappropriate comment on the Ricardo Riccò developments....

The link takes you to vids of people talking about Riccò at Qatar today - Cav starts from 2:28, and is doing fairly well until about 2:58, when it all goes downhill.....

over 1 year ago 4438577767_3a37510f57_t_tiny Sarah Connolly 65 comments 0 recs  | 

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Somebody, please, draw the Cav’s portrait in crayons!

Big mouth, huge legs, and nothing in between.
Seriously I love this guy!

"I love bike races warm up, warm down, cobbles mountains or flats."
perezbike

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by holmovka on Feb 10, 2011 9:17 AM EST reply actions  

Yep,

best to leave off the question mark part of CN addresses (everything from and including the question mark to the end) because most of the time it’ll generate a “landing page” with an advertisement. From which one may click through, but still.

by tedvdw on Feb 10, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps not Cav's finest moment,

but I stand by my previous views on this. I would rather have riders speaking their mind, than some spindoctered mary-go-round babble.Go Cav, but don’t forget to use your legs soon.

by Uphill on Feb 10, 2011 9:49 AM EST reply actions  

not sure if I heard him correctly ?

“I hope he becomes someone bitch in prison” ??
maybe dumm .. but nowhere near as dumm as doping !!!

by Austrian_Jez on Feb 10, 2011 10:13 AM EST reply actions  

Lets' hope for Cav"s sake

that in a couple if years IrishPeloton doesn’t need to publish an article of old Cav quotes that need to be “eaten”

moo

by Willj on Feb 10, 2011 11:47 AM EST reply actions  

It's a common joke that would be more OK if it were an uncommon reality.

Looking at the HIV transmission rates in any number of prisons, as well as various exposes, and you know the conventional wisdom is right, and the practice is not rare. Anal rape is not actually part of the prison sentence, and should not be treated as if it were.

However, I think the comments need to be taken in the context of an ever-escalating “doping denial” cascade. See the “Ricco: a doper’s life in quotes” section. Or the compilation of past doper denials. Cyclist A denies, in a quiet sort of way. Cyclist A gets caught. Cyclist B, C, D, E and F deny in a slightly more strident way, while saying that they don’t want to judge others. Cyclist B gets caught. Cyclist C, D, E and F talk some trash about B, and retroactively about A, by way of denying any involvement, while stridently denying any use themselves. As people who have talked trash about doping get caught, they catch the flak from their own trash talk, but that also resets the trash-talk baseline higher.

Think about it. If someone who makes statements like the one Cav made gets caught—and this is emphatically NOT to say anything about Cav, I’m talking about the state of the discourse—what then? Do commenting riders have to say they’d like to help hold him down while he’s being sodomized? Do they have to suggest the death penalty?

"dumped for Greipel?!"

by JFS_PGH on Feb 10, 2011 1:17 PM EST reply actions  

you're always so eloquent

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Feb 10, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

So, OK, on some level, I also get it that Ricco seems pre-selected for the role.

He screams like a stuck pig when nothing’s being done to him, he’s a scrawny git with a huge mouth. He acts like life is all about who gets pwnd / owned. He’s been a dick and a user in pretty much every aspect of his life that we know about. So, it’s hard not to think of life turning the tables on him, in a literal sort of way.

If Cav had wished only the fear of being someone’s prison biche (original spelling) on Ricco, I would have pretty much agreed. Let Ricco spend some sleepless nights, wondering if he’s on someone’s agenda. He’s created that level of misery for other people. But beyond that? Nah.

"dumped for Greipel?!"

by JFS_PGH on Feb 10, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Indeed

It was something that I thought sounded funny for a moment, but then thought about seriously & was amazed Cav could say it – esp as his own brother is/has been in prison…

by Sarah Connolly on Feb 10, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

And thank you, Mark Cavendish

for bringing prison rape to the Cafe. Really, man, we appreciate you.

by Jen See on Feb 10, 2011 3:02 PM EST reply actions  

So much of this kind of talk is so shallow to me

Aldag was doped to the gills when he rode, now he feels he has the right to come out and say how angry it makes him.

Maybe he should remember why he did it.

Not excusing Ricco, not forever condemning Aldag or others… but seriously, it’s like asking members of the Mafia to comment on how much it pisses them off when they see people getting ripped off or killed.

by LawrenceS on Feb 10, 2011 4:22 PM EST reply actions  

+1

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Feb 10, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Unfortunatly I agree.

Its a real pity we don’t have a cleaner set of people running the show.

by Uphill on Feb 10, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

spot on

I picked Riccardo Ricco for my 2011 VDS team, and submitted said team well before the submission deadline. I fully understand the error of my ways, and plead with the VDS Gods to allow me to resubmit my team.

by PopUp Rolen on Feb 10, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Well you know what

I think of the three, Cav is the most honest…

Aldag – bla blah blah doper is a problem [ignore what happened in my day]
Kelly – Omerta, what Omerta? Lets ignore the elephant. [Course, I would never have doped]
Of the three, Cav is the only one to have the right to some righteous anger – to Cav, this guy (and people like him) is destroying his way of life and sport. A bit more anger, a bit less hypocracy. I wouldnt have phrased it like Cav, but at least he isnt pulling a Schlecklet

Warning... not everything I say should be taken entirely seriously

by addict on Feb 10, 2011 5:04 PM EST reply actions  

but at least he isnt pulling a Schlecklet

but he’s crashed so often this year!

I like tinkering with the boys.
- majope

by tgsgirl on Feb 10, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

schleck crashes often, not schlecklet

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Feb 10, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I like tinkering with the boys.
- majope

by tgsgirl on Feb 10, 2011 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

The twitter of course

You know those boys like to take their clothes off and share pictures

I like tinkering with the boys.
- majope

by tgsgirl on Feb 11, 2011 2:54 AM EST up reply actions  

but not speak out against dopers

so no criticism of the guy who beat Andy to win the Tour and no mention of Ricco.

Perhaps they are just too nice to offend anyone, their mum taught them manners (this is not something Cav suffers from).

by Simon_E on Feb 11, 2011 8:59 AM EST up reply actions  

nice, uh, duvet cover.

Speaking of crashing, how many people, when they first clicked on this post, thought from the subject line that it was going to be about Cav crashing again, on his left side, again?

"dumped for Greipel?!"

by JFS_PGH on Feb 11, 2011 1:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought it might be a dentist story

moo

by Willj on Feb 11, 2011 2:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Totally disagree about Cav's comment being anywhere close to "the most inappropriate"

This phrase is thrown around so casually now it’s hardly anything more than a show of displeasure towards someone and a hope that their actions land them in prison finally.

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Feb 10, 2011 5:56 PM EST reply actions  

I'm with sminer

Cav isnt really saying he hopes he gets anally raped. Just that he thinks Ricco is a dickhead who deserves everything he is going to get

Warning... not everything I say should be taken entirely seriously

by addict on Feb 10, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Possibly gender differences...I hate it too.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Feb 10, 2011 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps cultural differences, yes

and like Seahorse says, gender as well.

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Feb 10, 2011 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

It's a very dude comment, I think.

It came off to me as over the line in a comment to the media. Chatting with the bros, not so much. Context, I guess I’m saying.

by Jen See on Feb 10, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

No Congress for Cav either I guess.

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Feb 10, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree on that.

I wouldn’t find it offensive in bro conversation, but I do think it’s definitely across the line for speaking with the media. Big boy pants on for that, Cav.

My fruit bowl is full of sex wax--gavia

by Douglas Ansel on Feb 10, 2011 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

Man, under the influence, drives off road into a bus stop hurting people – gets two years

Kiddy fiidler – gets 18 months

Banker convicted of fraud – two years

etc etc

I hope they all become someones bitch in prison – a lot of people’s response. Just a way of saying even if sentenced they got off light.

May not of been the brightest thing to say, but honest (and idiomatic). He hasn ’t wished him dead or anything, and his tone of delivery was hardly vindictive, more sad.

by andrewp on Feb 10, 2011 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Just as many, with bad lawyers and no deep pockets, get the key thrown away.

And they live with the same conditions. Not to mention, at least in the US, with “no condom” rules, in a population with a very high HIV rate, and minimal medical oversight or treatment. I don’t want to make out that HIV is an automatic death sentence in this era (I’ve got friends with an undetectable viral load, and a great life). But within the context of the prison system, yeah, that is kindof a death sentence, albeit the drawn out variety. Also very counterproductive, from a public health standpoint.

"dumped for Greipel?!"

by JFS_PGH on Feb 11, 2011 1:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I really can't care about Ricco any more

Twelve years ago, after the Festina case, cycling had a chance to clean itself up, and instead a few wiseguys took advantage of the clean part of the pack and cranked up their own programme, the authorities said and did nothing, and within a year everyone was back on the smarties. I don’t want that to happen again, and I’m happy to see top riders coming down like that on anyone who tries to take the piss.

by Monty. on Feb 10, 2011 6:51 PM EST reply actions  

Deeply unfortunate and offensive comments by Cavendish.

I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it

by plinytheelder on Feb 10, 2011 10:31 PM EST reply actions  

really?

We spend our lives complaining about Omerta and the old boys gang. Here we have a top level guy calling someone out – maybe not in the most polite way, but certainly a real way

Warning... not everything I say should be taken entirely seriously

by addict on Feb 11, 2011 1:47 AM EST up reply actions  

We're not saying he shouldn't have called him out

and as I said, going really well…. up to the bit about prison rape.

by Sarah Connolly on Feb 11, 2011 2:42 AM EST up reply actions  

There are better ways of saying it...no point getting down in the gutter...

and speaking personally I understand omerta…as all the older riders seem to do. The silence on twitter is deafening except amongst the very young, and Greg Henderson ;). You need to be young like Cav to feel that invulnerable.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Feb 11, 2011 4:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Or alternatively...

Clean, and really, really pissed off that dickheads keep threatening to wreck the sport that pays him a very fine living.

I understand Omerta for those who are, or have been, dirty. I even understand JV’s line of the past is the past. But really the ONLY way to get rid of doping is to make it socially unacceptable in the peloton. Here’s a guy who is prepared to do that. Good on him. I’ll deal with the language myself

Warning... not everything I say should be taken entirely seriously

by addict on Feb 11, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Soooooooo overstated

I just assumed you weren’t serious.

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Feb 11, 2011 8:44 AM EST up reply actions  

saying "joking" about prison rape is offensive is overstated?

nope. That’s fucking bullshit on Cavendish’s part.

I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it

by plinytheelder on Feb 11, 2011 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

It's just Cav being Cav

Not only too fast on a bike for others to keep up with, sometimes his mouth is too fast for his brain to keep up with.

He’s a brash, sometime volatile, always opinionated personality and if I was a journo he’d be first on my list to interview because you’d always get a headline. You know that there is never going to be a career in politics or diplomacy after he hangs up his cleats.

He’s exactly what a sprinter should be – entertaining on and off the bike, and good on him for speaking his mind. To be honest, the preceding interviews and the first part of his interview was dull PR speak and it was only towards the end when there was the flash of anger in Cav’s eyes and the fighting talk that it got anywhere near interesting, or worthy of the effort of a few forum lurkers clicking the link.

Patience Grasshopper

by Dean 1964 on Feb 11, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

who cares if he’s brash? what he said was fucking stupid. I like him just fine as a rider, really like him in fact, doesn’t give him the right to make stupid comments about rape.

I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it

by plinytheelder on Feb 11, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

*** sorry for coming across as so angry, this (prison conditions) is an issue I care about quite a bit,

don’t mean to yell at anyone or jump down anyone’s throat, sorry for tone folks

I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it

by plinytheelder on Feb 11, 2011 7:38 PM EST reply actions  

Hey, I pretty much agree with you, just didn't have the guts to say it...

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Feb 11, 2011 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, but I don’t need to get all self-righteous and start yelling at people, that’s lame on my part

I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it

by plinytheelder on Feb 11, 2011 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

THAT'S RIGHT. STOP YOUR YELLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"I just want to say fuck you, and I mean that in the most professional way" -Brandon Llyod
SAVE CHAUNCEY!!!!

by Phil H. on Feb 11, 2011 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

ageism

I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it

by plinytheelder on Feb 12, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

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