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AAAAAAAAAAHHH!!! [Translation: It's the 2011 Ronde Van Vlaanderen Route]

Whoever said I should cheer up and look at the calendar earlier today was right...

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OK, that map is next to useless, apart from proving that we do, in fact, have an official route for this year's Tour of Flanders. In fact, we may have had one for a week or so now (Yo Wielerland... respect!), though I haven't seen anything since the cryptic sneak-previews back in December. Actual, legible details on the flip:

Star-divide

First a little soundtrack for your reading enhancement. [h/t tgsgirl. Shocking, I know]

This is the list of hills. It's long.

1 Tiegemberg 70 km
2 Nokereberg 80 km
3 Rekelberg 127 km
4 Kaperij 139 km
5 Kruisberg 154 km
6 Knokteberg 164 km
7 Oude-Kwaremont 171 km
8 Paterberg 175 km
9 Koppenberg 181 km
10 Steenbeekdries 187 km
11 Taaienberg 190 km
12 Eikenberg 194 km
13 Molenberg 209 km
14 Leberg 216 km
15 Valkenberg 225 km
16 Tenbosse 232 km
17 Muur - Kapelmuur 242 km
18 Bosberg 246 km

For comparison's sake, last year included 15 official hellingen. The differences:

  • The opening two climbing sequences are totally different. Last year there were no named climbs before 139km, so the Tiegemberg-Nokereberg are add-ons. The Nokereberg was most recently included in 2008; the Tiegemberg has been on the outs since 1996. Both are cobbled, but in the single-digit gradient range.
  • The Rekelberg-Kaperij combo replaces the Den Ast from last year. The Rekelberg makes only its second appearance in the greatest sporting event ever anywhere. The Kaperij, I can find no record of, apart from a Ronde voor Oldtimers. I'm gonna hazard a guess that it's not especially hard.
  • The only other change in hills is the revival of the Valkenberg, in place of the Berendries. I'm not sure how much of a difference that makes. The two are comparable 7-8% types, free of cobbles. Berendries is 400 meters longer, but the beauty of the Valkenberg has always been its placement -- good place to jump before the Muur -- so to me this isn't much of a change.

The other factor, of course, is cobbles, and the good folks at Flanders Classics have beefed those up too, although again in the early stages. After the Oude Kwaremont the mega-sectors are the same, still bunched around Markedal to some degree and with the uber-nasty Haaghoek sandwiched between the Molenberg and Leberg. Now, however, prior to the Oude Kwaremont there are four mega-sectors, not two. I can't read the names very well, but I count a total of eight sectors before the shootout at the O.K. Kasseien, versus seven last year. So it's harder by any measure you want to use.

Except distance. The riders' reward for a few extra km of climbs and a few more km of cobbles is a 5km shortcut somewhere, as the total distance is down to 258.

What does it all mean? Strategically, not much. But if you're racing here or just planning one of the Ronde Toerism rides, well... train harder.

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Photo by Chris Fontecchio for the Podium Cafe

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Ah, Ronde van Vlaanderen

Magic words. I’ll have sweet dreams now.

Death before decaf! :D
- gavia

by tgsgirl on Feb 3, 2011 6:08 PM EST reply actions  

yep

Life is good.

If cobble delusions are wrong, who wants to be right? -JFS PGH

by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 3, 2011 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Fun fact,

according to Renaat Schotte, who was at the race presentation, Flemish prime minister Kris Peeters will act as ardoisier during the Ronde (man with slate on moto, signalling gaps).

by tedvdw on Feb 3, 2011 6:23 PM EST reply actions  

Hm

If I’m Tyler Farrar, I’m not sure I trust a Flemish politician to give me the actual gaps.

If cobble delusions are wrong, who wants to be right? -JFS PGH

by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 3, 2011 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Is this race...like...important or stuff?

"I just want to say fuck you, and I mean that in the most professional way" -Brandon Llyod
SAVE CHAUNCEY!!!!

by Phil H. on Feb 3, 2011 6:30 PM EST reply actions  

Someday...

If cobble delusions are wrong, who wants to be right? -JFS PGH

by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 3, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

So I take it this race is a SSR

"I just want to say fuck you, and I mean that in the most professional way" -Brandon Llyod
SAVE CHAUNCEY!!!!

by Phil H. on Feb 3, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup

Put Greipel on your team, I’m sure he’ll do splendidly here.

If cobble delusions are wrong, who wants to be right? -JFS PGH

by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 3, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, shit small race

Should’ve mentioned the André.

Also, Phil is a mean boy.

Death before decaf! :D
- gavia

by tgsgirl on Feb 3, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Hasn't been caught for doping so he was a no go

"I just want to say fuck you, and I mean that in the most professional way" -Brandon Llyod
SAVE CHAUNCEY!!!!

by Phil H. on Feb 3, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Who's syringe binge's sprinter?

"Oh man, it’s going to take days to kill all these people!"

by ncrow on Feb 3, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Dr. Ferrari

If cobble delusions are wrong, who wants to be right? -JFS PGH

by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 3, 2011 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Sprinter?

what the hell are those?

"I just want to say fuck you, and I mean that in the most professional way" -Brandon Llyod
SAVE CHAUNCEY!!!!

by Phil H. on Feb 3, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

You asked for it

"It was getting colder and colder as we went up. About halfway up, I started to go a little backwards and as I passed Thor he looked at me and said, "If you lose my wheel I will smash you." I took his wheel and found an extra gear." João Correia

by jsallee00 on Feb 3, 2011 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Is there

a cyclist in that picture? I’m having trouble noticing.

If cobble delusions are wrong, who wants to be right? -JFS PGH

by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 3, 2011 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe there is just a naked woman floating in air

"I just want to say fuck you, and I mean that in the most professional way" -Brandon Llyod
SAVE CHAUNCEY!!!!

by Phil H. on Feb 3, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

That's all I see

Is it my browser?

If cobble delusions are wrong, who wants to be right? -JFS PGH

by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 3, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

That may be the explanation

couldn’t think of another one

"I just want to say fuck you, and I mean that in the most professional way" -Brandon Llyod
SAVE CHAUNCEY!!!!

by Phil H. on Feb 3, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

That ad is totally wacked.

But yes, there appears to be a rather naked woman right there. Clearly, not an ad for the U.S. market ;)

by Jen See on Feb 3, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I just hired those guys(they must have just appeared) to DJ

"I just want to say fuck you, and I mean that in the most professional way" -Brandon Llyod
SAVE CHAUNCEY!!!!

by Phil H. on Feb 3, 2011 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I stopped googling for what SSR could possibly stand for

after Urban Dictionary told me “Suicide Squirell Racers”. Nothing can ever top that.

Death before decaf! :D
- gavia

by tgsgirl on Feb 3, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

In other words "Squirrel Racers"

"I just want to say fuck you, and I mean that in the most professional way" -Brandon Llyod
SAVE CHAUNCEY!!!!

by Phil H. on Feb 3, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Kaperij...

I found the street, I believe, but there’s no streetview. A “Bruno Callens” has linked this shot—cobbles, not too steep, as predicted.

"dumped for Greipel?!"

by JFS_PGH on Feb 3, 2011 6:48 PM EST reply actions  

looks right

map location-wise, at least.

If cobble delusions are wrong, who wants to be right? -JFS PGH

by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 3, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I think I know the road

It’s quite long, slightly uphill and really windy. The cobbles aren’t that bad, but combined with the headwind and the false flat they’ll help getting the bunch exhausted.

by broerie on Feb 4, 2011 2:58 AM EST up reply actions  

bloody winds...

I wish they showed these on the map. One of my starkest memories was in cresting the Kopp (finally!) only to be hit with a crosswind, which I imagine they have all the time given how open and elevated the tops of these little climbs are. You gotta have some wattage to burst over the top and then keep it going once the wind hits you.

If cobble delusions are wrong, who wants to be right? -JFS PGH

by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 4, 2011 3:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Hm, am I misremembering

or didn’t they go along the coast last year? I guess that’s one way of cutting down the km…

by Le Comte on Feb 3, 2011 8:25 PM EST reply actions  

Mmmm now I need to watch some Ronde on the trainer tonight...

Less than 2 months now til the greatest day of the whole year

by Vlaanderen90 on Feb 3, 2011 8:27 PM EST reply actions  

I was forced to watch the Bachelor the other night while riding for an hour. Don't talk about pain.

I spent an hour last night re-watching Cosmo’s how the race was won videos while riding, which was enjoyable

by Vlaanderen90 on Feb 3, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Wouldn't most TV fall under performance inhibiting?

"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton

by sminer on Feb 3, 2011 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Have you not heard of MTV?

Jersey Shore? Skins? 16 and Pregnant(congratulations at failing)?

"I just want to say fuck you, and I mean that in the most professional way" -Brandon Llyod
SAVE CHAUNCEY!!!!

by Phil H. on Feb 3, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Once he rises from the fainting couch, you can ask him.

It definitely got played into the ground. Even I was flinching after a while--Tyler Farrar, on that Transitions ad.

by majope on Feb 4, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

That fainting couch, it gets around.

It was in Britain, now it’s in Seattle. I think maybe it needs one of those tracker things.

by Jen See on Feb 4, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I hope the race comes down to my 3 favorites

Gilbert, Boonen and Cancellara and that FC attacks.

"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10

by Ahillock on Feb 3, 2011 10:53 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

really, no one else wants to see these 3 duke it out?

I must be on the wrong website then.

"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10

by Ahillock on Feb 4, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Meh

I am up for some new faces. I won’t complain if this is how it shakes out. I have fond memories of 2008 Paris-Roubaix…

If cobble delusions are wrong, who wants to be right? -JFS PGH

by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 4, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

Like to see Luekemans, Haussler, Breschel mixing it up in there as well.

"It was getting colder and colder as we went up. About halfway up, I started to go a little backwards and as I passed Thor he looked at me and said, "If you lose my wheel I will smash you." I took his wheel and found an extra gear." João Correia

by jsallee00 on Feb 4, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Speaking of breschel what is his latest injury/training news been?

I know he said he was cautiously optimistic about the classics on Jan. 26th then on Jan. 29th he said he would race the classics but wasn’t sure what his condition would be.

Is there any history of other riders coming back from a similar injury to perform well? He had surgery in November and said the Rabobank training camp is the first consistent period of training in 2 months.

I’m curious how 2 months of missed training + surgery will affect his ability to get back into shape by end of March/early April? Does he still have enough time?

"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10

by Ahillock on Feb 4, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

nothing

since December. I’d lean toward optimism.

If cobble delusions are wrong, who wants to be right? -JFS PGH

by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 4, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

That map...

…makes my head hurt. A lot. It needs more arrows.

by Ed K on Feb 4, 2011 12:13 AM EST reply actions  

Don't even bother

With the Flanders classics, the maps look like spaghetti. Go with profiles or road books if you want to gain any understanding of the course.

If cobble delusions are wrong, who wants to be right? -JFS PGH

by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 4, 2011 12:32 AM EST up reply actions  

In other Belgian news

Haute-Levee (3.6 km @ 5.9 percent) back in LBL this year.

Good to see LBL with a full set of teeth. As I remember, last year there were a lot of riders still in the pack at the base of Redoute.

by Mr 60 Percent on Feb 4, 2011 10:51 AM EST reply actions  

ronde

actually think the route is easier depending on weather. the wind off the sea from oostende is hard, hard work.

by Maratsafin on Feb 4, 2011 12:11 PM EST reply actions  

Marat! Hi :)

Death before decaf! :D
- gavia

by tgsgirl on Feb 4, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

found it!

on the switch over from the beeb, trying to work my way around. no ronde for me this year but a group of us doing roubaix sportive. DEFINITELY doing ronde in 2012. take a look at http://www.pelotontours.com/Tours.htm great youtube link to last year. you good tgs?

by Maratsafin on Feb 4, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

welcome :D

the natives are friendly!

by Jen See on Feb 4, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

From @bradwiggins

Rooming with JA Flecha, he’s getting all excited reading the route for this years Tour of Flanders, like a child opening xmas presents

by William H on Feb 5, 2011 5:54 AM EST reply actions  

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