Nokere Koerse: Kidding Around
Cobbles? Did you say cobbles?
Racing returns to the Flemish Ardennes tomorrow, albeit in preview mode. Another week and I will start using more exclamation points than vowels. But Nokere-Koerse is all about what's coming later. By which I mean later next week, and later in the next few years. This is showtime for some of the hot young talents in the sport who aren't quite hot enough yet, or at least not senior enough, to get a start at Milano-Sanremo. Much to like about that.
Parcours: The course is pretty straightforward: it starts in Ronse at the southern (kinda western) edge of the Flemish Ardennes, cuts through the hills with a few ups and downs (Vossenhol, Kruisberg, Kluisberg*, Hotond) before exiting the hills, saying hello to Waregem across the Leie River, and dipping back over the Leie to Nokere just outside Oudenaarde for the 15km finishing circuit, which it runs eight times. The Nokereberg is the star of the show, since it's the only hill ascended after the 77km mark, and the race finishes on top of it. As hellingen go, it's a cute 350 meter run over cobbles averaging 5% with a max of 7%.
[*Stay tuned for my upcoming three-part series, How To Tell the Kluisberg From the Kruisberg.]
Rating: Sprinter-friendly in general, though to win it requires a very powerful dash.
Little Known Fact: Nokere Koerse was originall known back in 1944 as the GP Jules Lowie, who was from Nokere and bore the distinction of winning Paris-Nice. Apparently that stopped being very compelling after a while, so it's now named the Nokere Course. [Another little known fact: it's not (hyphened) Nokere-Koerse (coughCNcough). In fairness, Wikipedia redirects searches of Nokere-Koerse to the Nokere Koerse page. So our reporter friends, whom I hope don't mind a friendly poke now and then, aren't alone in this mistake.]
Past Masters: A mix of decent sprinters and kids. Most of the A-listers aren't in the palmares (or on the 2011 startlist), but for every Graeme Brown or Jeroen Blijlevens there's a young Wouter Weylandt or Jens Keukeleire.
And this time? The young classicians field is choc-a-block with talent nowadays, and the chance to see them in full gallop, without having to get round Hushovd or Gilbert or Boonen is a real treat, assuming video shows up at some point. Keukeleire, now a ripe old 22, is back in the #1 dossard, but he'll have a hell of a battle on his hands. Andre Greipel is the biggest veteran name, though his broken face might slow him down. Also looking for some form and/or a win are Gert Steegmans, Leif Hoste, any of several FDJers (Hutarovich, Steve Chainel), several more Rabos (Bos, Brown, Martens), and Jimmy Casper. The kids include John Degenkolb, coming off stage wins at West Vlaanderen and the Algarve; Rabo's Michael Matthews who pocketed stages in Murcia and the TdU; 2010 Franco-Belge winner Adam Blythe (Lotto); Topsport's Michael Van Staeyen; Katusha's Denis Galimzyanov; among others.
The pick: Degenkolb. I'll take him over Matthews, who might be pressed into helping out the veterans, and Keukeleire, whom I suspect is taking it slower this spring to come good in the next few weeks instead.
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Excellent.
Eagerly awaiting the 3-part series.
But wait, are you saying Jerommeke Blijlevens is a B-lister?? He won stages in all three GTs and, perhaps more importantly, Veenendaal-Veenendaal (back in the day when it wasn’t named Dutch Food Valley Classic, yet).
after Steels, Abdu, Zabel, Cipo...
B list.
If cobble delusions are wrong, who wants to be right? -JFS PGH
by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 15, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
And Grame Brown is D-List, at best, when looking at history
Jerommeke is much higher on the totem pole
by Vlaanderen90 on Mar 15, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
hm
OK, I plead ignorance on how to compare those two. Don’t remember much about Jerommeke really. Mostly because I refuse to think about those years.
If cobble delusions are wrong, who wants to be right? -JFS PGH
by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 15, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Without looking
I’d say Brown has a better ranking at CQ
There were a lot of fresh cowboys in the peloton and it was a nervous fuss. Tommeke
Yeah
I see this as HTC v Rabo, both are sending pretty decent squads. If Greipel actually finishes this course, I’ll be impressed.
It’s a great diversion to keep me from saying “Is it Saturday yet, is it Saturday yet…”
"It was getting colder and colder as we went up. About halfway up, I started to go a little backwards and as I passed Thor he looked at me and said, "If you lose my wheel I will smash you." I took his wheel and found an extra gear." João Correia
On a completely unrelated note
the cobbles in the pic above are on the Muur, pretty much exactly where we hung out last year only the pic is from 2008.
I
ah right
wetter. less mayonnaise between the stones.
If cobble delusions are wrong, who wants to be right? -JFS PGH
by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 15, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Keukeleire – deliberately timing his top shape a few weeks later than last year, aiming to win a race like Scheldeprijs
Hoste – suffering from bad back pain
Greipel – Nokere is a test for him and his face, to see if he’s fit to race MSR
I like tinkering with the boys.
- majope
Keukeleire
OK, makes sense. Last year was a stepping stone, not a pattern.
If cobble delusions are wrong, who wants to be right? -JFS PGH
by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 15, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
adding
know anything about video? Does Sporza have it?
If cobble delusions are wrong, who wants to be right? -JFS PGH
by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 15, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope, Sporza doesn't
The extremely annoying Exqi Sport does. BVLS will probably have a stream.
I like tinkering with the boys.
- majope
You have the option between high-pitched mumbling (Museeuw)
or extremely superstitious mumbling (Mattan). Combined with ill-informed co-commenter.
I like tinkering with the boys.
- majope
Since I don't get 65% of the flemish anyway
I’m happy with them identifying riders accurately and using random funny words such as “doodsmak” and “koplopers”
Ill-informed co-commenter's format
is limited to “oh look, there is rider x, he rides for team y and has won races a, b and c. he’s a real threat here.” proceed to next available rider. he just reads everything from a cheat sheet, for two straight hours. and still gets half of it wrong.
I like tinkering with the boys.
- majope
That's why i stick to ES on the whole
Harmon’s pretty good, and Backsteadt isn’t afraid of correcting Carlton when those two are commentating.
Still cheat sheet stuff sometimes, but you can tell most of the ES Comms team info is held in the mind.
by Millsy_1989 on Mar 15, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
As for the P&P duo
It’s a comedy of errors then, your better off creating a script to randomly select riders from the startlist and go, “that’s rider A”
If it ain’t Lance (or Hincapie at PR/RVV), they don’t care.
by Millsy_1989 on Mar 15, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Harmon is generally the best of the ones I can understand
although I do still expect better of him. I mean it’s his job to know who’s who, yet I can still usually manage better than he can.
At least he’s now noticed Taaramäe wears yellow shoes. It used to annoy me that he’d be struggling to look out for blue bands on the arms, when the only Cofidis rider in the race in yellow shoes was Taaramae. Same with LLS.
Often I think he must be looking at quite a small screen, or not paying full attention (likely listening to producer and/or race radio info) as he makes mis-identifications often when we’ve just had a closeup of the rider. For example in Paris-Nice, I could see right away that wasn’t Kreuziger off the front, I guessed it would be Kiserlovski, checked the rider list and then was sure it must be him. Then about 15 seconds passed and Harmon caught up on it.
I know it’s a nightmare in the rain, I just think since it’s his actual day job, he could be a bit better at it.
i told you the other day, chris, EXQI has it. start time scheduled for 15:00 local.
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
nvm. i should have finished reading the following posts.
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
yes
right, thanks. My available memory is dangerously low these days.
If cobble delusions are wrong, who wants to be right? -JFS PGH
by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 15, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn
Right. I’ll get to it later today.
If cobble delusions are wrong, who wants to be right? -JFS PGH
by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 15, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Last tear's neo-pro-sprint sensations haven't all hit the same peaks this year.
Jens Keukeliere? After the apparent bidding war for him, he doesn’t seem so likely to replicate last year’s results.
Sacha Modolo? Popular with Italian media it would seem, but on the basis of the rest of his season last year, there’s no chance he’s gong to see a top five in San Remo this time.
Modolo
there’s some luck in a one-day result. Keukeleire’s run of success says more about him, although it too is relative to the people he beat. Kids… they may grow up, or not. It’ll be fun to watch.
If cobble delusions are wrong, who wants to be right? -JFS PGH
by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 15, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
While there is luck in a one-day result
for an U-23 rider to last the 300+km of MSR at the front, and be going the quickest of anyone at the line, says a lot about what they are capable of. Remember the knocks against EBH and Sagan right now are over whether they can last the distance of a big classic or Worlds course. Modolo has already proven he can do that. He now just needs to make sure he gets close to living up to that capacity he’s shown.
Same goes for Daniel Oss, who doesn’t seem to have quite the finishing kick but across a few races last year came from relative obscurity to being someone who obviously has the engine for the big races.
As said above
Last year Keuki was at the top of his game this time of year, now he’s aiming to be top of his game just a few weeks later. If the top of his game is enough for a repeat, who knows?
I like tinkering with the boys.
- majope
The belgians were hardly noticeable in the opening cobbles-weekend
so this would be a good time not to aggravate them.
you might want to add "(coughCyclingFevercough)" as well
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
not to mention (coughChrisFontecchiocough)
first paragraph
Galimzyanov ftw
Showed a decent turn of speed at P-N with a couple of thirds.
Dat was echt een schwalbe!
Handzame Classic
Somebody needed to say it. Will there be any video, or reason to watch. It could be a repeat of Nokere Koerse if the startlist is any indication.
So many assumptions, so little time. :D
Handzame actually broke off of the Driedaagse van West Vlaanderen (it used to be the final stage)
And it isn’t anything really exciting. Typical belgian race
by Vlaanderen90 on Mar 15, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
And it isn’t anything really exciting. Typical belgian race
Take. That. Back.
NOW.
I like tinkering with the boys.
- majope
I take it back...because I don't think Handzame even has cobbles!!
or climbs…so its flat and possibly windy.
by Vlaanderen90 on Mar 15, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
And so the Third World War begins
Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...
by TheFigurehead on Mar 15, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm talking about real races, races that count. Races with cobbles.
Not the italian namby pamby stuff.
&
Jonas Vangenechten – Kattekoers
Frederic Amorison – Vlaamse Pijl
So there!
(I’m bragging about winning Kattekoers. This is a sad day)
I like tinkering with the boys.
- majope
Oh, jesus
Sorry grandpa, for forgetting Beverbeek Classic. I was there just this Sunday (Bever = bever; beek = stream).
ps – Aidis Kruopis, only fifth there
pps – Sven Jodts, the kid in third, a name to remember
I like tinkering with the boys.
- majope
Bever=bever
thanks for clarifying
"It was getting colder and colder as we went up. About halfway up, I started to go a little backwards and as I passed Thor he looked at me and said, "If you lose my wheel I will smash you." I took his wheel and found an extra gear." João Correia
I'm here to help
Help and mistype.
Bever = beaver, though I suspect that that’s painfully obvious.
I like tinkering with the boys.
- majope
note lack of capitals ;)
Not being used as a proper name. Though I’m sure someone could work Art in.
downvote
"It was getting colder and colder as we went up. About halfway up, I started to go a little backwards and as I passed Thor he looked at me and said, "If you lose my wheel I will smash you." I took his wheel and found an extra gear." João Correia
Browne is definitely a sprinter of a lesser calibre, but he seems to thrive on helping Matthews,
which he has been doing successfully, so I have my fingers crossed for Bling.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
He's been a pretty good helper of Bos too
Only way for him to keep a job at Rabo I’m afraid. But he’s doing it really well.
Robert Gesink on the difference between football and cycling: "For us it's a lot harder to get yellow"
It's a job to be proud of I think...not everyone can be a winner.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
but those poor souls who paid twelve points for a leadout man are going to be some dissapointed!
'When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning' - Dr. Reiner Knizia
by bought with blood on Mar 16, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep, I'll take
A Bling, Degenkolb, Galimzyanov podium in any order since I have all three. I do like Matthews for the win though if he has the support.
I think Browne has been surprisingly effective with the support and he appears to revel in the role...
He certainly has enough mongrel in him to keep riders clear of Matthews much of the time.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
hm
now that I think of it, Matthews did rather well last September on a long uphill sprint…
If cobble delusions are wrong, who wants to be right? -JFS PGH
by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 15, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm
remind me who came in second in that sprint?
"It was getting colder and colder as we went up. About halfway up, I started to go a little backwards and as I passed Thor he looked at me and said, "If you lose my wheel I will smash you." I took his wheel and found an extra gear." João Correia
Some German kid
can’t remember the name.
If cobble delusions are wrong, who wants to be right? -JFS PGH
by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 15, 2011 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
There's a fine line
between “curse” and “talent”. Whatever it is, I got it.
OK, Matthews then.
If cobble delusions are wrong, who wants to be right? -JFS PGH
by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 16, 2011 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Training in Mallorca. He's been sick it seems, and is building back up to strength.
So yeah…. There’s that, then….
by sebastiandeluded on Mar 15, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone know why Galizymanov isn't on the CF startlist? Only 7 katusha listed now
Did he get sick after P-N? I heard he was dropped early in a mountain stage and retired from the race by choice, but was there more to it than that?
Well, there goes my pick
Dat was echt een schwalbe!
I'm feling better about this all the time :)
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
I didn't see ant1 make a comment, but I know he's thinking it:
Dominique Rollin FTW
…or was it Dom FTW
……or was it DRFTW
Oh well, it’s the thought that counts….

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