Radio Daze
With the threat of rider protests at the Critérium International, the Coppi e Bartali and the GP E3 apparently still on the table it's time for me to add to the compost heap of bullshit that's been built up by all sides of the race radio debate over the last couple of months. Having read as much as I could before my eyes glazed over I've formed these views: Bike races have always been boring and banning radios will do nothing to alter that; and Jonathan Vaughters' suggestion that the radio airwaves should be opened up to the public is, so far, probably the most sensible contribution to this debate.
All we hear is Radio ga ga, radio blah blah. Radio what's new? Radio, someone still loves you! - Queen
Race radios have been part of cycling for twenty years or more. Greg LeMond is generally credited with introducing them to the peloton, with other teams quickly following his example and their use rapidly spreading throughout the sport. On the surface of it, the argument against their use seems seductively simple. Here's Joe Parkin in his A Dog In A Hat:
Surely there have been many improvements in cycling over the years, but radio communication is not one of them. Radios have pushed up speeds and made racing more dangerous because, with the directors shouting instructions non-stop, everyone is keyed up and nervous all the time.
Or here's Michael Barry, after watching the 2008 U23 World Championship road race, which was conducted without race radios:
Like digital images have changed photography, radios have taken the grainy reality out of the peloton. On several levels it is nice to see the humanity and reality return to cycling.
The argument I personally would offer against race radios is that they turn people like Barry's current directeur sportif, David Brailsford, into self-important arseholes who happily try to steal the glory from riders like Nicole Cooke. In the immediate aftermath of Cooke's Olympic victory, Brailsford bragged about how he and (I think) Shane Sutton had been on the radio to Cooke all the time and, in the last lap, told her to take it slow into the final, wet corner. The way Brailsford talked it was as if he, not Cooke, had won the gold medal for Team GB.
When I hear comments like that, I can't help but think Brailsford sees his riders as being the least important part of an equation scribbled on a whiteboard in the bowels of the Manchester vélodrome. It was bad enough with all the secret squirrels shit and how this part made the bike go that much faster and that part made the bike go this much faster, but here Brailsford was sounding like he thought he and his colleagues were playing with a PS control pad - a radio earpiece in Cooke's ear - and Cooke herself, the woman actually riding the bike, didn't really matter all that much.
That sort of thinking leads me to Robert Redeker's criticism of cycling in the nineties and early noughties:
The athletic type represented by Lance Armstrong - unlike Fausto Coppi or Jean Robic - is coming closer to Lara Croft, the virtually fabricated cyber-heroine, from Tom Raider. Cycling is becoming a video game; the onetime 'prisoners of the road' have become virtual human beings [...] A huge gulf now exists between the race and the racers, who have become virtual figures, transformed into PlayStation characters while the public, the ones at the folding tables and the tents, drinking pastis and fresh rosé du pays, are still real. The type of man once promoted by the race, the people's man, born of hard toil, hardened to suffering and adept at surpassing himself [...] has been substituted by Robocop on wheels [...] someone no fan can relate to or identify with.
That gulf between rider and fan - in the tortuously twisted pathways of my brain anyway - throws up Jonathan Vaughters' recent criticism of anonymous / pseudonymous internet types and our lack of respect for the real people behind the names we so glibly disrespect or connect the dots between. Vaughters thinks it is the anonymity / pseudonymity of the net-based commentariat is the problem here. I wonder if the anonymity of the riders themselves isn't also part of the problem. If some of their directeurs sportifs treat riders like interchangeable characters in a video game, controlled by a radio earpiece, how can fans be expected to see them any differently?
But is the attitude of people like Brailsford reason enough to ban race radios? For me, no it isn't. But it's better than the argument propounded by the UCI (and fed to it by France Television), which is that race radios are making races boring (predictable is the preferred word used by the UCI, but the meaning is the same).
It's funny how few people ever seem to want to address the elephant in the room when faced with that argument: bike races are boring. They've always been boring. They're boring for the roadside fans. They're boring for the armchair enthusiasts watching them on telly. And half the time they're boring for the riders themselves.
The point about boredom though is that, from the get go, we've learned how to ameliorate its impact upon our enjoyment of this sport. When you stand by a roadside to watch a race - or even join in the fun of Podium Café's live threads - what makes that race exciting is the company of your fellow spectators, the way information is shared back and forth, a bit gleaned by this person from that media source, a bit gleaned by that person from this media source. Spectating at races - at the roadside or via an online forum like this - is a communal activity. It's fun.
The media obviously play an important role in our enjoyment of this sport. Road racing started as a sport of the written word and it was the writers of early race reports who made bike races exciting. They overcame the boredom inherent in the sport by editing out all the dull bits and concentrating on the exciting bits. This role played by the media is something Benjo Maso addresses in his The Sweat of the Gods (seriously, it's a book you really should read yourself):
Because it is impossible to observe the progress of a road race with one's own eyes, the media play a very different role than they do in other sports. Whoever wants to see a football or tennis match can sit in the stands and watch what is happening from start to finish. Whoever wants to know anything about the progress of a Tour, or a Classic, is completely dependent on the media.
That does not mean they are given a trustworthy or complete picture. These days, sportswriters covering major races have to drive either far ahead of, or behind, the peloton, and they get to see the cyclists only before the start or after the finish. Even at the time when reporters still enjoyed the right to move among the riders, seated in a car or on the back of a motorcycle, they caught merely a glimpse of the development of the race and could only hope to be present by coincidence when important incidents took place.
The major cycling journalists of the past made no attempt to give detailed accounts of races; they sought to do no more than meld the relatively scarce facts available to them into an exciting whole. For example, the article that the Belgian sportswriter Joris Jacobs considered the high point of his career was the page-and-a-half account of the great Alpine stage in the 1949 Tour that he based in its entirety on two short sentences which the reporter on the spot had been able to telegraph from Aosta to Belgium.
When radio coverage of bike races came along, Maso says, you could still get away with making things up. But television made that harder. For me, one of the worst parts of being a cycling fan in the nineties - even worse than suffering through the robotic reign of Miguel Induráin and the rise to power of Gen-EPO - was watching the Tour live on Eurosport, where David Duffield tried to make the dull bits more interesting by talking about cheeses. I shit you not. Cheeses. I used to just turn the volume down and crank up the Kraftwerk. But duffers like Duffield aside, television reporting of bike races can be exciting, even during the dull bits. It all comes down to who is doing the reporting.
The who is doing the reporting side of the problem with cycling coverage was highlighted during the 1968 Tour de France. That was the year after the death of Tom Simpson, and the Tour organisers had reacted to Simpson's death by offering a tame parcours. The race also suffered somewhat by the non-appearance of a number of stars of the day, whose decision not to ride was in no way connected to the dope tests in force during that year's race.
Early into the race, the journalists covering events grew restless, and told the public that the race was boring. Race director Félix Lévitan responded in typically acerbic form, telling the journos that maybe it was not better racing that was needed but better reporters. Is there a modern-day Félix Lévitan willing to stand up to France Television and say something similar to them?
On the issue of addressing the boredom that creeps into races, something Laurent Fignon wrote in his We Were Young And Carefree is worth paying attention to:
There is one key rule which we should all follow when discussing cycling today: prudence. Apart from the doping issue which, as everyone knows, has unfortunately caused changes in the last fifteen years by altering the most basic physical values, it can be said that cycling has still progressed in every area. The roads are better, so too the kit, so is race preparation. So the standard of the average professional cyclist has risen markedly.
The problem is that while all this has been going on, there hasn't been much change in the races themselves. A race like Liège-Bastogne-Liège was a fearsome, highly selective race in my day but is now just a race like any other. It's ordinary, for one reason at least: the hills are spaced too far apart. It's not suited to today's cyclists. In the same way, is it right for Flèche Wallonne to come down to a sprint up the Mur du Huy? What that means is simple: the courses of the races are not suited to cycling today.
Look at the evolution of a race like Milan-San Remo and you will see how some race organisers have continually tried to tweak their courses to counter boring, processional races. Stick in a hill here or there, move the finish line this way or that, whatever it takes to disrupt the sprinters and make the race more unpredictable. Look at the way the organisers of the Vuelta a España have made their race more exciting by adding new climbs like the Angliru. Or look at last year's Giro d'Italia. If you didn't vote the strade bianche stage the best day's racing of the year you should be ashamed of yourself.
But there are limits to what you can do with a parcours. Look at, say, the 2009 Tour, where ASO tried to deliver a parcours which would serve up a nail-biting finish on the Ventoux. In the end, the riders rendered the stage null and void by failing to deliver. Or look at last year's Tour and the Tourmalet stage, which was something of a damp squib. Were the riders suffering performance anxiety on the day? No. They were riding defensively. An issue Fignon also addressed :
Cycling has been transformed into a defensive sport. It's raison d'être is attacking, but that has been overlooked. Of course you have to defend a position sometimes, for example on a major Tour, but how are you going to win a race apart from by attacking? That is the essence of cycling. That's its spirit and its soul. Today, the riders seem to hope that they may win if they wait for the other guy to crack: that is the mentality of the second-rate.
Who actually remembers the name of the riders who finished sixth and seventh in the last Tour de France? No one is interested. For certain 'decision-makers' in today's cycling, sponsors or media, finishing in that sort of position in the Tour is seen as more important than winning a major Classic. It's a perversity of the current system. Finishing third or fourth in the Tour obviously does reflect a 'sporting value.' But the rider who finished fifth will do everything to demonstrate to his employer that he could have finished fourth: there we are referring to 'market value.' Where is real cycling in all of that? It's not my idea of the sport.
Now obviously fans of riders like Nicolas Roche will be harrumphing away when they read that comment about who remembers who finished sixth or seventh in the Tour but seriously, do they really rate an instantly forgettable GC place like that over winning a stage or any other race during the season? Yet riders like Roche are able to turn themselves into stars without ever winning anything other than their own national championships. Is it race radios that have made these riders defensive, conservative, boring? I don't think so.
The UCI seems to be acting on this defensive nature of the sport today by - as well as trying to ban radios - reintroducing one of the most damaging initiatives of the 1980s: the FICP points system. Seeing as I'm trying to go a whole week without banging on about doping, I won't go into why the FICP system - once it was hitched to entry into the major races - was such a bad thing. Whether the reintroduction of this system will see history repeating itself we'll soon see.
Can the race organisers do anything to counter the boredom of defensive riding? Within limits, yes. Go back to the really early days of this sport, the days of Six Day races, days when racing for six days actually meant racing for six days and six nights, all of the day and all of the night. Clearly that must have been pretty boring for spectators. So the organisers livened things up, offering prizes for random laps. Road cycling adopted this practice. Hot spot sprints and mountain prizes were introduced to spice up the racing. Bonfications were added. And then taken away by some organisers, who felt they only added to the problem.
One contributing factor to defensive riding is the strength of teams. In some races, you simply know there's no need to turn on the live feed until the riders are in the final few kilometres because the sprint trains will have such a stranglehold on the racing. Will no race radios take the steam out of the sprint trains and stop them being able to control a race? Hardly. They'll still know how far ahead the break is, except they'll be relying on the old-tech chalk blackboard instead of the new-tech radio earpiece. Unless the UCI is considering banning chalk too.
Benjo Maso, when interviewed for Podium Café last year, had this to say about the role of teams in cycling today:
Cycling is an individual sport practised by teams and there has always been a tension between these two aspects. Right now, the accent is laying too much on teams, one of the main reasons why so many races have become so dull.
Here it's tempting to channel the ghost of Henri Desgrange and damn the day teams entered this sport. Every Tour it seemed that Desgrange - in true Dick Dastardly fashion - would come up with some new and fiendish way to overcome the power of teams, to try and make the racing conform to his will. And every year he failed. That Desgrange never managed to beat the teams ought be a lesson to everyone here.
That's not to suggest that we shouldn't do whatever it takes to stop teams making fans reach for the off switch, or delay the point at which they reach for the on switch. But really, is taking away their race radios going to do that? Those against race radios have offered a simplistic, rather than simple, argument. Slice it, dice it, whatever way you look at it, it fails to solve the problem they promise it is the answer to.
That's not to suggest that those defending race radios have done themselves proud with their line of reasoning. Jens Voigt offered this argument:
If we just get a single fatal accident, the price is already too high for something that someone thinks will make the sport more interesting. I would rather have a boring race where everyone is happy and alive, and [a rider] can come home and embrace his parents and say, ‘Hi mum and dad. I'm alive.'
Seeing that criticising Voigt is seen as a stoning offence by some and I've a big streak of yellow running down my back, I'll let a comment from Jacky Durand punch the hole in Voigt's argument:
I still remember [Andreï] Kivilev, who died [at the 2003 Paris-Nice] because he had both hands in his back pocket, probably trying to fix his radio reception.
There is one element of the pro argument that I do like though: the view put forward by Jonathan Vaughters that, rather than banning race radios, their airwaves should be opened up to the media (which is what happens in other sports that use radios, such as Formula 1. I think it's also done with the ref's radio in some sports). Why do I agree so readily with this suggestion from Vaughters? Bill Strickland made me do it.
Some of you may recall me last year calling Strickland's Tour de Lance both beautiful and annoying. One of the beautiful things about it is when he's embedded in the Astana team car and reports the radio communication between Johan Bruyneel or Viatcheslav Ekimov and the team's riders. Unfortunately, there's no short passage from the book that can be quoted to show how much fun the radio exchanges are, so you'll just have to take my word on this one. Or beg, steal, borrow or buy the updated paperback edition of the book, which is due out soon. (Or just browse it in Borders. Look at the Tour of Gila chapter. Just don't tell Strickland I told you to do that.)
Bruyneel, in his We Might As Well Win (ghosted by Strickland), says this about the content of those radio exchanges:
I think fans expect me to be whispering some kind of top-secret tactical code to the riders. But after spending seven years in Lance's ear, I can tell you you'd be disappointed, in fact, if someone handed you a transcript of everything Lance and I had ever said to each other over the radios. The content is more mundane than sparkling.
Bollocks to that Bruyneel. It's the very mundanity of the content that makes it so much fun. Some of it even feels like it should have been in Freya North's Cat: "Go, go, go, come on Lance, pedal, pedal, pedal, that's it Lance, smooth now, now, now, now, yes yes yes." Oh be still my beating heart.
Opening the airwaves is actually the best solution to this issue. Let the fans tune it to what passes between directeurs sportifs and riders. If even only half of it is as daft as the exchanges over the Astana airwaves it'd solve the boredom dilemma in a thrice. And if the other half isn't as much fun, who knows, once the directeurs sportifs realise that people are tuning in, they might feel the need to pipe down a bit, thus satisfying those fundamentally opposed to modern technology. Vaughters' idea is an elegant solution to this whole brouhaha. Will the UCI be too proud to climb down off its high horse and accept it?
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If the stuff they are saying is so mundane, I don't see why a DS even needs a radio link to the riders...
+1
after having heard several of these radio feeds during quite a few TdF’s, I would rate most of them similar to the thrill of watching paint dry. Radios on F1 are equally boring and are in essence a tool to try disguise the sport’s terminal illness.
The problem with Radio feeds are that they only become interesting when something happens in the race, i.e. during an attack, a climb, a descent, a crash or in a sprint. In these situations, I much prefer to follow the race action completely, rather than having feeds popping up with a bloke in a car with a mic yelling orders out. If TV ever becomes interactive, this problem may be resolved, but until then having somebody (broadcast producer) cutting these feeds in over the action wil probably piss off as many fans as it excites.
But my pt is that the dull bits of the radio feeds are actually the fun bits. I’m not looking to hear a DS telling a rider to attack or hang back. What I love about the Astana stuff Bruyneel uses is actually how dull it is.
pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway
understand, but thats the part which is really, really dull. Or bits of footage
showing a DS handing out drinks and food. Other than perhaps making people fat, its just not very effective. I have seen the feeds and they will not bring a single new fan to the table.
I think you've hit the nail right on the thumb!
I don’t see the UCI being smart enough to back down and compromise but the suggestion of opening the airwaves up is great! With all the other DS’s listening in, they will have to develop some sort of “tactical code” or something which will give us even more things to gripe about and argue over here at the PDC!! Yipee!!!!
Do not interfere in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!
I am glad you brought up the Jackie Durand comment wrt Kivelev's death.
I had heard this somewhere (maybe that same cn article), and have always thought the excuse to be sort of weak (albeit, an effective one at trying to appeal to heart strings).
Another great article FMK. My only other comment is I love it when the expression “a damp squib” is used anywhere. Reminds me of the “IT Crowd” episode where Roy says “a damp squid” in court and everyone laughs at him…
That is all…
I LOVE that IT Crowd ep. Classic.
pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway
This has been the worst part of the debate
All the “Pedro Horillo would’ve died without radios” and then the responses of “Kivelev died because of radios”. I just don’t like the “we’ll all die” aspect of it, it gets crazy
by Sarah Connolly on Mar 23, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I think this is right...
…where it is overblown. I also think that, generally, radios probably do increase safety in several respects, or at least offer more and better ways of responding to contingencies. But overplaying that really doesn’t help anything.
I think on either side, the death thing was thrown out with no evidence given
I mean, the helicopter saw where Horillo fell – now if Horillo himself was saying it, I’d believe it more, but riders who weren’t even in the race saying “Horillo would have died without radios” doesn’t help
by Sarah Connolly on Mar 23, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
How many times have riders gone into ravines in the days before radios? Tons.
One thing that’s funny listening to the riders defend radios is they are …. dare I say addicted to them? They can’t thnk of giving them up.
pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway
I'm always leery of psychological 'addiction' language...
…but you have a point, sir. (And this from someone who, on balance, thinks there is no reason to get rid of them, like you.)
I love the comment "cycling is boring"
I don’t really agree – but I know where you are going.
For me, I think both the problem and joy of watching cycling is that for 95% of the time, you are waiting for something to happen.. without knowing that it will. And, in fact, most of the time, it nothing does happen… though it might have. Cycling – she promises you everything and delivers… well, often, not much. But i love the anticipation
Warning... not everything I say should be taken entirely seriously
So are baseball and cricket
cycling at least gives us motion and athleticism throughout.
"dumped for Greipel?!"
Kivilev
Died because he wasn’t wearing a helmet, not because of a radio. Riders have their hands in their pockets every time they try to eat. Durand’s argument is bullshit.
Sometimes you have to give luck a kick in the balls - Jens Voigt
Oh dear, hear we go, guns don’t kill people, bullets do.
I suppose if you want to be a total pedant you could argue that nether helmet nor radio killed hm, he died of heart falure or whatever it was several days later in hospital. Jacky’s pt is that the radio was a contributing factor.
pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway
can i put in a bid not to debate a guy's death?
given we are ddifp?
Warning... not everything I say should be taken entirely seriously
cos we don't know any real facts and the guy died...?
Warning... not everything I say should be taken entirely seriously
I'm not sure I agree
Nobody knows for sure what happened in Kivilev’s specific case,
but in general riders will reach for food at suitable times when it’s relatively safe;
if somebody is screaming in your earpiece, you may unwisely try to respond immediately
+1
radios will take attention away from a rider. Its like driving a car and being on the phone. It leads to accidents. The outstanding issue is whether a radio actually prevents accidents to counter for the negative effect.
except
that in most cases a rider will try to feed with only one-hand, exceptions are the no-hands manuever to transfer stuff from the musette to pockets.
But, honestly, taking off/putting on a rain cape or vest is as dangerous as fiddling with the radio in a back-pocket. Maybe even more, because there’s a chance the vest can snag both arms like a straight-jacket, and that many riders think nothing of doing these things in the middle of a bunch at racing speed..
So, even if Kivilev did die trying to adjust his radio, it happened because of the same non-chalant attitude that riders take for multiple other circumstances during the course of a race, not because the object he was fiddling with was a radio.
(Thus, it’s a wonder that Moncoutie’s still alive . . .)
well, I would agree.
To me there are a number things that causes crashes/accidents:
1. Bad whether
2. Sprints
3. Decents
4. Risk taking
5. Lack of concentartion/exhaustion
6. Poor bike handling
7. Sudden outside issues (public, dogs etc).
My point is that using a radio while riding will enhance the probability of some these, but otoh using a radio will likely prevent some situations as well. I believe we will have as many accidents and problems with a radio as we will have without one.
plenty of studies on cell phones in cars,
including hands-free, agree with you.
"dumped for Greipel?!"
Is Nicolas Roche really a star?
I think not. I mean, in one sense of the word he is, like the rest of the professional peloton. And I don’t really get what people thinks 6th or 7th in the Tour is better than winning a major classic.
Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...
but people certainly seem to think
that 7th or 8th on GC, in total anonymity, is better than a mountain jersey or a shot at the stage win. Which has always seemed odd to me. Because like fmk, i think, really, who cares?
Warning... not everything I say should be taken entirely seriously
Certainly?
I don’t recognize it. And I’m not even that interested in the mountain jersey, mostly because the point system, at least in the Tour, seem to be screwed up.
Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...
by TheFigurehead on Mar 23, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
may be certainly is overstating it
But when you see riders in the TdF riding defensively for 10th place in the GC… and indeed, getting in a snit because their teammate didnt protect them so they fell from 14th to 15th (mentioning no irish names)… I do really think “who cares”?
Warning... not everything I say should be taken entirely seriously
But the assumption is that they can do a lot more
It’s not always the case that they can. And I do believe it was a little bit more to it than that between Roche Gadret, not just dropping one place in the GC.
Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...
by TheFigurehead on Mar 23, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree on the latter point
But when was the last time that you saw someone in 10th-20th place (ie someone who can CLIMB) actually have go into the break and have a go at the stage win in the mountains?
Really, it seemed that only Carlos was prepared to give it a shot
Warning... not everything I say should be taken entirely seriously
+1
those are the riders i couldn’t give a damn about. a vino coming in 30th is 100 times more exciting than those riders. as is a voeckler.
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
+1
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
-1
Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...
by TheFigurehead on Mar 23, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Prize money
could do a great deal to change those attitudes. If a rider made a big prime for the mountains jersey or a stage win, there might be greater incentive to chase those prizes at the expense of middling gc finishes.
His prize would probably be thrown into a team kitty to be split 15 or so ways so it would have to be a pretty big boost
in the prize money to get them focused on that. But if they made it so big, some teams might shut down all breaks and launch riders at a base of a mountain to go get it
by Vlaanderen90 on Mar 23, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Robert Redeker’s argument is built around the role of money in cycling – in modern sport – and it has changed the rules of the game. I think what Fignon was argung was that some teams value fifth or sixth, rather than gamble for a stage or whatever. That they can better sell ‘safety’ to their sponsors.
pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway
Good point
The economics of the sport have also changed everyone’s roles. Riders can earn a good living specializing on certain races. Teams are built around those riders for those events and DS’s keep everyone on a short leash. There isn’t much incentive for daring all-around riders who are third-best at everything.
"It's just a bike race" - Frank Schleck
interestingly, twice in one day i can quote bruyneel to make my point:
With or without ear pieces the result will be the same. If Cavendish is in shape, you know in advance that he will win as the interests of cycling teams are so large, the budgets so huge and the teams so well organized.
pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway
In my mind Bruyneel stands for a race strategy and
philosophy which is defensive, controlling and boring in nature. His idea of a great race would put three Radioshack riders on the podium in TdF. I don’t think his ideas are shared with the entire peloton certainly not with many fans.
Bruyneels threat of setting up a private league is starting to look like a promise to me.
Safety selling.
Personally I think its a misconception (from a sponsor pov) that Roche wheelsucking his way to 8th place in TdF is more valuable than an attacker from Vacan who tries to make the race. Going back to P-N this year, I remember three things: Voeckler, Vancan and the whether (a bit simplified, but nevertheless). I do however think the safety aspect plays a considerable “real” role when it comes to securing a teams ranking and next years place in the 1st division.
He’s a star in Ireland. His only claims to fame being the newspaper cols and daddy.
How did he do today, BTW?
pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway
He will probably be domestique this week...Kadri going much better
by Vlaanderen90 on Mar 23, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
looks like dan martin put in a good ride.
pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway
should have kept him on my team.
got scared of all the allergy stuff.
Had his op now.
You should be less scared, not more!
"There is nobody doing it for the money. Everybody is doing it because they want to ride bikes." Lizzie Armitstead
I didn't pick him either. ;-)
"There is nobody doing it for the money. Everybody is doing it because they want to ride bikes." Lizzie Armitstead
He’s also got JV giving him a good kick up the arse. It’s shape up or ship out time for him, I think.
pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway
wait, JV kept bubble boy, so why would he kick out Martin?
(and CVV for that matter)
by JustJoshinYa on Mar 23, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Vaughters will keep him around for a while, really.
Vaughters seems to have quite a lot of patience for the quirky riders. When we talked to him, he also seemed genuinely impressed with Martin’s talent.
I got the impression when you spoke to JV that his patience with DM was growng a little thin. Agree he’s loyal to his riders.
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Ah, I'd have to go back and look again.
I don’t really remember impatience, but defo he said that Martin is quirky and unpredictable.
It seemed like he was somewhat frustrated
with Martin for never knowing when he going to come into good form. He said the team and Martin had no clue when he would peak, but when he did peak you had to send him to whatever race was coming up. Not sure how much of that was related to allergies disrupting his season though.
Eh...
An Irish rider being a star in Ireland is a totally different thing, no?
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by TheFigurehead on Mar 23, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Figurehead – Is it the specific example you disagree with me on or the general point?
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Both
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by TheFigurehead on Mar 23, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm interested, generally, into why I/we follow certain riders
I know I’m influenced as much (if not more) by riders who blog, write, tweet etc well – so someone is a “star” to me as much for the access/insights they provide as for their results. Not everyone, of course – but eg Marzio Bruseghin is one of “my” riders because of his donkey farm than his actual results.
So I can see why Roche, through the columns, gets a higher profile/following than his palmares would imply (plus there’s the notion of the Irish and Ireland as more “romantic” than other nations, to people who don’t live there)
by Sarah Connolly on Mar 23, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess my big issue with Roche is that he’s been the coming man for so long. It’s getting rather tantric. Have no prob following riders who don’t win, is the one who say they can but can’t that bug me.
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by fmk on Mar 23, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Oh yeah, I'm with you on the "coming man" thing, all the way
There are all sorts of them, aren’t there, who are touted endlessly as the “next big thing”. EBH, for instance, gets talked up so much – and Taylor Phinney – and they have some great results, but not as much as some commnetators imply
by Sarah Connolly on Mar 23, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
The Mini Phinney is a very good example.
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Cyclingnews seem to agree
“…Dr. Max Testa said the pain in Phoney’s quadricep…”
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by TheFigurehead on Mar 23, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Gianni Bugno seems to have removed the protest threat from the table today. Can’t be bothered editing the intro. It was true when I wrote it.
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Why does Bugno hate you?
The article is shit now. haha
by JustJoshinYa on Mar 23, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I made a joke about him, a viddy cassette and DHL. I know he read it.
Or maybe that’s too paranoid even for me?
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Paranoia rules...
I bet you glanced around when you typed that too…
by JustJoshinYa on Mar 23, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I love this article, thankyou
Makes me think of the complaints about the TdF Sastre won being “boring” – and the fact that some sets of fans simultaneously want cycling to be clean AND to have some of the fireworks that doping can enable (eg Vino miraculosuly coming back from a terrible performance to so look really, really unexpectedly good)
Even more foot in mouth than Jens Voigt's argument
was some rider (I forget who or when) quoted a week or two ago saying that another safety issue was that they didn’t know how fast to chase going downhill if their rabbit was out of sight, and that with radios they would be able to pace themselves better. Which sort of sums up why I was in favour of the ban: most of the time the radio is pretty irrelevant, but there is the odd occasion where they work against an intelligent rider who has done his homework.
I got bored reading the Jens! letter when he got to suggesting we need more square-bashing crits.
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Here's something to cheer you up
live coverage from the Barry Bonds trial
Tour of Murcia race director
and Riis too, I think
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by TheFigurehead on Mar 23, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
This is just really good.
I find I agree with you about pretty much all of this.
I’m inclined to think the safety issue is at best a wash, and otherwise a bit in favor of radios, but what I like most about this is that you make clear how bad a solution any decision about radios is to the problems that banning them is supposed to solve. This is a view I’ve been coming to, and you add a few more factors.
Interested what you think about the argument that part of the problem is team size. Smaller teams (and more of them) might open up the racing a bit, I tend to think; but I think your points about parcourses needing work is perhaps even more important.
I've got this great idea for an annual circuit race in Pamplona . . .
“The Ernest Hemingway Challenge” I’d call it.
Even Pamplona's been neutralised by modern technology
The cobbles at Mercededes, otherwise known as beef sandwich corner, now gets painted with special non-slip paint just before they start every run
Did I leave in the team size thing? Thought cut that/ Don’t really believe size would alter anything, you could cut them down to four or five riders and they’d just organise on the road combnes with other teams.
The issue with teams is one of power. They are most interested in what is good for them. We, the fans, are most interested in the individual rider. The teams safeguard the team’s value, not the riders.
Now saying that the issue with teams is power, at a time when they have a legit argument against the UC leaving them powerless, feels wrong. But …
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I think there is evidence
that cutting team size will have an impact. Women race with teams of 6 in most races and (between that and the shorter race distances) it does liven things up.
No one team can dominate – unless they are WAY stronger than the rest of the field – and watching the on road alliances form and split is half the fun.
by Creeping Tortoise on Mar 23, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I think this is worth while pursuing.
I believe they should be looking into this for certain races.
Yes, but the money in women’s racing and the money in the top tier of men’s racing is way diff.
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Well, I think it will be considerable harder to control as race with less members
on the team regardsless of how much money is involved, simply because statistically there will be more competitors around. (200/6 > 200/8)
Aye, but there's a lot about the structure of women's racing that encourages exciting riding
The fact races are limited to distances that they can easily ride, means there’s often action right from the start. 6 riders means riders don’t specialise as much – and there is an argument to say that there’s an upside to all the no payment and difficulties means they all REALLY want to be there! ;-)
by Sarah Connolly on Mar 23, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
there is an argument to say that there’s an upside to all the no payment and difficulties means they all REALLY want to be there!
Agreed. But as a Euro-weenie socialist, I can’t really argue for rollng back the clock to pre 80s wage levels (and this defensive riding in the top tier of men’s cycling has been coming since the 80s, did not just arrive in last two or three years).
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One of the bits I cut was suggesting a devil take the hindmost rule in stage races. Every day, or other day, cut the team by one rrider. Just for the sheer hell of it, like. :)
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6 riders would not work in GT's, but for 1 week stage races or certain
classics, I think it would be fine.
why wouldn't 6 work in a GT - if all teams had 6, what is the problem?
by JustJoshinYa on Mar 23, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
well it could, put historically teams can loose perhaps 3 riders
over three weeks. Of course we can just choose to say thats part of the risk, and another team will benefit etc.
Am not really suggesting doing it. Was sort of done once, the lantern rouge was kicked off the Tour each day, stopped dong in after only a few days. The reason I say it wouldn’t work is, agan, inter-team combines. The big teams get the little teams to work for them. Like the way USPS/Disco used to be able to get CSC to do all the work for them :)
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I can see the prob with TdF here. Too much at stake. But
other smaller races, I think it potentially would open up the races. I think its worth while trying somewhere.
some one week events have less than 9
maybe lots.
I believe Romandie / PN / Tour de Suisse / Dauphiné are all 8 per team.
l’Ain is 6.
Not sure there is much impact going from 9 to 8
moo
I could be wrong
but I thought all or almost all one-week stage races have 8? Most classics as well. Isn’t it only grand tours that have 9 riders on a team?
or do it on the rest days
cut the lowest ranked rider from each team
by mr. rogers on Mar 23, 2011 6:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
lowest ranked?
have a phone in vote to eliminate the least popular.
at $1 a call Vino would raise a lot of money for Astana.
moo
We’re back to my sell the sport to Endemol idea …
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full circle...
you’re the one who said it was boring
by mr. rogers on Mar 23, 2011 7:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Devil?
Why not go th ewhole hog and have some big comedy papier mache ball on the end of a long chain bop the last rider off into some suitably padded, Gladiators-style ravine.
So we’re selling this to ITV then, yes? Time to work out a role for SiCo …
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Oh that would be so much fun. Cycling needs more togas.
Originally, I did have all sorts of stupid ideas in this, ideas for disrupting the stranglehold of the teams, but had to cut them as I didn’t believe a single one would work. They did help me prove the daftness of the no race rados rule though.
My fave was road furniture. Instead of levellng roundabouts to create more straight run-ins, race organisers need to add more roundabouts. Roundabouts are sweet. There is nothing so beautiful as the sight of a peloton going around both sides of a roundabout and reforming on the far sde.
And in the final five klcks, we need speed bumps. Sleeping policemen would soon take the steam out of the sprint trains. (Note: sleeping policemen should not be confused with sleepy policmen, of the sort who took out Jaja that time. I’m not looking to create a demolition derby a la carting.)
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Nice compilance of alot of the facts, comments......
VDS does more to peak my interest than radio silence would.
You ain’t gunna get more of the world’s viewer market…too many sports
Better to keep the viewers ya got…..quit yer squablin’ UCI and let ’em race!!
Soli Deo Gloria
VDS.
we have less than 700 players on this site. Those players will not fund too many colourful kits in the peloton, I am afraid. In professional sports, you need the keep finding new customers or slowly become marginalised and/or potentially irrelevant. Its the nature of competition.
You think you'll get more viewers by harping and arguing over radios??
You want viewers……get people involved.
Soli Deo Gloria
More viewers by arguing.
Of course not, but the radio decision has not been made yet and therefore views are being discussed here as well as other places. I think the discussion is a relatively true reflection of what is going on between the stakeholders all around. The decision however could have an impact on future fans and hence my personal interest.
Decision = Implementation.
way over my bed time now.
Pat McQuaid: France Televsion made me do and ran away
Enrico Carpani (UCI Press Officer): "It’s a decision that has been taken after consulting all parts of cycling sport – organisers, riders, even the press, because don’t forget that there are a lot of people from the press, and especially television, who say that cycling with ear-pieces is not very spectacular any more.
Pat McQuaid: “in 2008 I was convened to a meeting with the biggest producer of television images of cycling, France Television, and was told by senior executives clearly that if radios were retained in cycling and used as they were being used that the coverage of cycling on television would be reduced. I was given several examples of the reasons for this”
Johan Bruyneel: “The whole discussion we’re hearing now has begun with Daniel Bilalian of France Télévision. He complained to organizer ASO about the disappointing ratings in the Tour. ASO then went to the UCI. The first consequence of this discussion was the well-known two days in the Tour of 2009 when we raced without ear pieces.”
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How did that work? The French turn off when they’re winning? Sickos.
If 2008 was down, how much had that to do with post-LA hangover plus effects of Flandis and Puerto and all that crap?
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That's exactly what I am thinking...it would be interesting to actually see viewership numbers.
Been down in the US. Why not in France too (Hell, they lost the guy to hate…).
by JustJoshinYa on Mar 23, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not convinced they did race on the two day without earpieces but...
The best argument for retaining radios in my view is that I’m sick to death of the whole damn argument (& also, the argument or whatever it is isn’t even about that any more).
"There is nobody doing it for the money. Everybody is doing it because they want to ride bikes." Lizzie Armitstead
gravelroad's tag line sums it up
“Radios in Cat.4?” I mean WTF? Radios are a crutch, ban them.
There were a lot of fresh cowboys in the peloton and it was a nervous fuss. Tommeke
Fine, if that’s what you think and that’s what you want, go for it, but just don’t go telling me you’re dong it for the kiddies, trying to make the races less boring.
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Oh, re the arguments for and against
Pity the poor teams who are caught in the middle.
Peanut Butter & Co TWENTY12 rides USA domestic races, and all last year rode without radios. USA Cycling announced a few weeks ago that they were bringing radios back – so the team went out & bought a load of radios & antennae – they’re racing this weekend at Redlands (it could be some other race). Then USA Cycling changed their minds & banned radios again (giving into UCI pressure) – so the team have just bought hundreds of dollars worth of new equipment, for nothing. Now, whichever side of the argument one is on, that’s just not right. You’ve got to believe your national federation is making decisions that will stick, one way or another. It’s especially not fair on the domestic teams, who don’t have that much money to throw around…. Hope they bought them under some 28 returns warrenty….
28-DAYS bah me!
So sorry, my typing’s especially bad tonight
by Sarah Connolly on Mar 23, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
28 days … 28 days later … they gave us running zombies … we could have zombies on bikes! :)
Was an amazing volte face by USA Cycling.
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They should have no need to buy them!! Over half the races on the NRC are criteriums, which radios are not needed for
then their are a bunch of circuit races. There really are few races on the NRC calendar where a radio would really be needed
by Vlaanderen90 on Mar 23, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, they thought they did - they're riding the stage races etc
by Sarah Connolly on Mar 23, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Not needed?
don’t you remember the days of USPS doing their synchronised eating act.
Though one can ask
why they believed USA Cycling could take such a decision to begin with, and why they immediately rushed off to buy new equipment.
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by TheFigurehead on Mar 24, 2011 5:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I know, but what's a team to do?
If you get to a stage where you can’t believe a National Fed, it’s hard to know what the rules are…
by Sarah Connolly on Mar 24, 2011 6:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm just glad to know I voted correctly...
If you didn’t vote the strade bianche stage the best day’s racing of the year you should be ashamed of yourself.
"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton
I did want to ban people from reading this is they hadn’t voted the strade bianche stage the best day’s racing of last year. Then I thought Chris and Gav wouldn’t think that’s fair.
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