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AIGCP/UCI Biohazard Warning

"If this regulation [banning race radios] is not rescinded by the first of May, 2011, the teams have unanimously agreed on a drastic action. This action will not be made public at this time, but the UCI will be informed of its content. The UCI, and its President, Pat McQuaid, will receive a document, signed by all the teams, that outlines the full content of our thoughts."
AIGCP statement, March 2011

We all know and understand that the silly name-calling being dished out by both sides of the current dispute between the AIGCP and the UCI has got little or nothing to do with the issue of race radios. They are just the AIGCP's version of a sunken gunboat in the Gulf of Tonkin, something that enables the managers to wage a wider war against the UCI. A war which, for its own reasons, the UCI is only too happy to engage in.

As the conflict lurches ever closer to the managers' May 1st deadline, new issues have come into play in the dispute between two of cycling's key stakeholders. One of these is the bio-passport.

Star-divide

Manufacturing Dissent

"If you're looking for a sure way to make enemies, change something."
Woodrow Wilson

Given that us cycling fans are fickle little creatures, easily distracted by unimportant little things, the managers had to find a way to remind us that they are still the downtrodden of the earth and haven't gone away. It has after all been a few weeks since we last heard from the AIGCP and during that time some fans have had their attention distracted by classic Classics and monumental Monuments. Hence the managers' rather ridiculous walkout from a UCI meeting earlier this week.

Unfortunately for the managers, not only is their vaunted unanimity breaking down - Astana and Katusha apparently broke ranks and stayed at the table with the representatives of the thirteen non-aligned Pro Conti squads when the sixteen other ProTeam representatives and their counterparts from the ten aligned Pro Conti outfits left the meeting - but those managers who did leave the meeting couldn't remember quite what it was they were supposed to be protesting against.

Some thought it was because they didn't want to hear from representatives of the International Cycling Writers' Association (AIJC) who were invited to speak at the meeting - the journalists, it would appear, haven't quite grasped that their sole role in this dispute is to give the managers a soapbox and reproduce the open letters, press releases and leaked emails supplied by the managers. Other managers thought they were protesting because their alleged intelligence had been insulted by being given a history of the bicycle. Still others thought it was in protest at things said about the use of race radios.

Officially, the AIGCP claimed that the protest was a load of symbolics:

"Having had our request refused, reviewed the tone of the e-mail exchanges prior to the meeting and the comments made at it, many teams chose to symbolically withdraw before the close of today's UCI meeting."

One of the issues that did come to the fore as a consequence of Monday's meeting was the manner in which both sides are using the bio-passport in this dispute. The passport has already raised it's head several times since this dispute kicked off, with all sides using the issue of doping in their attempts to demonstrate that they are the one with this sport's long-term interests closest to their hearts.

Biowarfare

Back in October, before the blue touch paper was lit and the argument over race radios took centre stage, the AIGCP's president, Jonathan Vaughters, was pointing out the difficulties of an unstable sport for teams seeking to raise long-term sponsorship and how this impacts on doping:

"Cycling is always in a state of flux, and that makes it difficult for the sport to ever get the stability it needs. With stability comes greater guarantees of anti-doping because there is less pressure - the contract monster isn't coming up behind you all the time. That's just one of the reasons to work toward a system that is more stable and more predictable for all the teams."

In December, the AIGCP's president elaborated on this point, explaining that the quid pro quo for the race organisers allowing the creation of a closed shop of teams with guaranteed long-term invites to their races would be that the teams would finally take the issue of doping at these races seriously:

"Both creating a limited and defined sponsorship market in cycling and creating value that allows different forms of fundraising outside of pure sponsorship would allow athletes and other employees of pro cycling teams to exist in a more stable and calm environment and keep them from making poor decisions in insecure and unstable moments (do I have a team next year??!). This in turn allows greater inroads to be made in anti-doping movements and culture changes, as people aren't fearful of their future quite so much."

While Vaughters undoubtedly knows more about doping than most and has, generally, been a force of good in the attempts to clean this sport up over the last few years, this is something he should perhaps discuss with David Millar. In one version of Millar's explanation for doping he admitted that he turned to EPO not to protect his job, but simply for the money enhanced performances brought him.

Despite being on a performance-related salary - following his drug-assisted performances in 2001, his 2002 income rose, but following poor performance on his part throughout 2002, his 2003 income fell - Millar felt that Cofidis was not paying him enough. He admitted to having used EPO and testosterone in 2003 because of this: "I felt it was wrong. My salary dropped by 300%. It was like, 'I'll make them pay me a shedload of money and run this team.'" Following his win at the 2003 World Time Trial Championship, for which he had prepared himself with EPO, his 2004 salary was reported to have been €800,000.

In February, the AIGCP was again playing the anti-doping card, telling us how much its members contribute to the cause:

"Teams represent the largest segment in terms of revenue and employees in professional cycling. We contribute over €5m to the UCI annually in licensing fees and anti-doping contributions. We feel that we should be represented accordingly."

Let's put some context on the AIGCP's figures. Revenue-wise, the AIGCP claims that the top twenty teams have combined income of $400m - approx €275m, or an average of €14m per team - and that they employ more than 2,500 personnel (an overage of 125 per team). That's twenty teams, and the AIGCP represents twenty-eight. So raise the revenue figure to what, €350m? €5m is less than 1.5% of that.

The €5m contributed by the teams is split between covering the costs of anti-doping and covering the UCI's operating costs. ProTeams pay a registration fee of €50k plus an annual licence fee of €15k, along with a contribution toward the the Cycling Anti-Doping Foundation (CADF) - a separate organisation set up by the UCI to deal with the costs of anti-doping in this sport - of €120k per annum. Pro Conti teams from the larger nations pay a registration fee of €16k, with €2.25k of that going to the CADF, along with an annual contribution to the CADF of €80k.

That €5m then is split approximately 60% toward the cost of the sport's anti-doping programme (to which subject we'll return momentarily) and just 40% - circa €2m - to cover the UCI's operating costs, which are north of €20m annually.

In March, it was the turn of the UCI to play the doping card, in Pat McQuaid's open letter to the riders:

"I would have preferred to leave doping out of this discussion, but I realise that I can't resist pointing out a few facts on this subject, which is also used far too often as a scapegoat depending on the demands and the needs of the moment. [...] I have never heard your riders' association CPA nor teams association AIGCP showing similar indignation, mobilisation or militancy at the doping scandals which befall our sport. When it comes to raise the contribution to the fight against doping from the prize money, it is a flat refusal. This is where you should be addressing your open letters."

Eventually the CPA's president, Gianni Bugno - a man who knows a thing or three about doping - responded to McQuaid's barbed comment with this:

"As far as doping is concerned, you say: 'When it comes to raise the contribution to the fight against doping from the prize money, it is a flat refusal.' Pardon me, but in which other sport do the athletes pay over €250,000 every year out of their own pocket? Does it look like a little sum to you? If it is so, I suggest to you the following: I will be the bearer of the proposition of doubling this sum at the CPA steering committee."

Before looking at the small print in Bugno's offer, it's worth looking at some numbers and where that €250k fits in.

Race organisers are obliged by the UCI to deduct 2% of all prize money paid and remit it to the CADF. A further 7% is deducted from prize money and remitted to the CPA, to cover end-of-career allowances. Strictly speaking, these deductions are not coming just out of the riders' pockets but also out of the pockets of the team personnel among whom prize money is traditionally shared.

The riders' contribution to the CADF needs to be seen alongside the sums contributed by others. The CADF is a relatively recent addition to cycling's alphabet soup and is a separate body set up by the UCI to deal with the costs of this sport's anti-doping activities. It's funded by the UCI, teams, race organisers and riders.

For the financial year ended December 2009, the CADF raised approx €5.9m, with the ProTeams contributing €2.2m (€120k per team), Pro Conti teams €1.7m (€80k per team), organisers €0.8m (15% of minimum prize money), riders €0.2m (2% of prize money) and the UCI €0.6m (the UCI also picks up the tab for some expenses not covered by the CADF and underwrites the CADF's accumulated losses, which at the end of 2009 were €725k). The balance - €0.4m - was raised from other sources (including deductions from the registration fees paid by Continental and Women's teams).

The riders also contribute in the form of doping fines. For the last financial year for which figures are available, 2009, the UCI's accounts put this figure at €561k. In those same accounts, however, the UCI made a provision against this amount for fines not expected to be paid. This amounted to €561k. Rather than merely doubling the riders' contribution, the CPA could actually treble it, by simply making its members pay fines levied against them.

Bugno's offer to increase the riders' contributions towards the CADF came with a couple of conditions attached. These conditions call into question the apparent generosity of the riders and quite what the CPA's own agenda in this dispute is. They were that the CPA be allowed appoint a member of the passport star chamber which evaluates the passport results and that this member be provided with "the profiles of all the riders and not only of those considered irregular according to a preliminary evaluation performed by the UCI."

In other words, the CPA wants access to the UCI's passport watch-list, those riders who might need to be subjected to extra testing. Next Bugno will be demanding that the Italian judicial authorities inform the CPA whenever any of its members are subjected to surveillance as part of on-going investigations.

In March there was also leaked correspondence concerning an increase in the amount Pro Conti teams must pay towards the CADF. The AIGCP was indignant on behalf of its oppressed brothers in the lower league - not just the ten aligned Pro Conti squads who are members of the AIGCP, but also the thirteen non-aligned Pro Conti teams who have nothing to do with the managers' union. The AIGCP complained that it was unfair of the UCI to force the teams to change their budgets after they had been approved by the UCI. How, the AIGCP wondered, were its poor, beleaguered brothers in cycling's second division supposed to meet these increased costs?

That, then, is more or less where we stood as regards to all sides of this dispute using anti-doping as a propaganda tool. Then came this week's developments. As part of the warm-up act for Monday's meeting, the AIGCP and the UCI had a brief exchange of emails, part of which was leaked to the media. In that exchange, McQuaid threatened the AIGCP with this:

"I have had enough of this High Moral Ground from you and I am refraining myself from writing exactly what I am thinking. Enough to inform you that when I have finished with the teams today you will have plenty to 'reflect' on and communication will be the furthest thing from your mind!!"

L'Équipe reported that, at Monday's meeting, McQuaid made good on his threat, informing the managers that, thanks to the bio-passport, he held precise information on each team's riders and then brandishing "the spectre of public revelations that would cause damage." This threat comes less than a week after Italian police demanded the bio-passport details of five Katusha riders.

Liquigas-Cannondale boss Roberto Amadio (the man whose first reaction to Tricky Beltrán's 2008 bust was 'surprise' and who has regularly seen his team fall under the finger of suspicion in doping inquiries, with one of his riders, Gianni Da Ros, receiving a twenty-year ban in 2009 for trafficking) suggested that there might be some slight mis-reporting in l'Équipe's story. In so doing though he showed that the AIGCP's agenda as regards to the passport is not that different from the CPA's - the managers too want access to the UCI's watch-list:

"It's not that McQuaid threatened to pull out the list of ‘targeted' riders. It was first Bjarne Riis and then I - given that we had our backs to the wall - who asked to be informed, to know who are the target riders, who are the riders at risk and who are the athletes who do not fill out their whereabouts forms punctually."

On one level you can understand where Amadio is coming from: the teams, between then, contribute 65% of the CADF's budget. On the no taxation without representation principle, the managers believe that they should have greater access to the passport's inner workings. However, that is not the principle in play here. When it comes to doping, it's a case of the polluter pays.

Ten-Stepping Our Way To A Brighter Future

My friend John has a plan, says he's never gonna go away again. Stays up every night, just to get the details right. He says when you make a plan, you gotta put your best shot in, do what ever it demands.
Those Nervous Animals

How serious is the AIGCP when it comes to the issue of doping? The AIGCP's recent Ten Point Plan - as revealed by Jonathan Vaughters to the BBC in March - called for "More focus on prevention of doping, in the first place, as opposed to catching doping after the fact."

The AIGCP though has been reluctant to elaborate upon any of the points in this plan, so we don't know whether this point is calling for a reduction in the current level of dope tests or whether the managers want to see additional funding being made available for preventive measures. For the financial year ended December 2009, the CADF spent €156k on education, mostly on the True Champion Or Cheat? programme.

While calling for greater emphasis on education is no bad thing, it must be borne in mind that this is the way the UCI traditionally tried to deal with the problem of doping, producing pamphlets, brochures and DVDs and effectively passing the buck back to the riders. And we all know how successful that tactic was.

As to where any additional funding might come from, the AIGCP has promised - in return for the creation of a closed shop locking new teams out of the major races - that "teams would be obliged to donate 20% of new money to combat doping." This was quantified as being worth €50m over five years.

That offer sounds generous, until you start to look at it. Do the math and 20% of new money turns out to be less than 3% of total revenue. In The Geox Paradox, the AIGCP's president bemoaned the potential loss of Geox's sponsorship and quantified that loss in terms of lost anti-doping funding:

"If the Geox situation were to turn out like that of Unibet a few years ago, cycling would potentially have lost somewhere near $50 million - from both teams combined - in total dollars due to opaque agreements and misunderstandings. [...] Have we all considered that just 5% of these dollars could have made a massive difference in anti-doping research efforts?"

20% ... 5% ... 3% ... the more you look at it the more the AIGCP's offer of increased funding shifts from seeming to be generous to looking pretty parsimonious.

But is the offer even of increased funding? Because of the managers' reluctance to clarify their Ten Point Plan, we don't know whether the AIGCP's offer of funding of €10m a year is on top of the €5m they already contribute in the form of licensing fees and anti-doping contributions or merely topping that figure up. If the latter, then the promised 3% then falls to just half that figure.

Nor are the mangers' willing to guarantee that this funding wouldn't simply be existing funding redirected. We have already seen - in 2009 - Bjarne Riis' Saxo Bank withdraw funding from its independent anti-doping programme because of budgetary constraints. In order to meet the additional funding commitments promised by the AIGCP other teams could likewise simply redirect existing expenditures and meet the cost of the new commitment by cutting back on what they are already spending on their own anti-doping programmes.

All told then, the AIGCP's offer of increased funding for the fight against doping seems to be just a pretty worthless little soundbite - even before the managers attempt to link such funding to being told which of their riders need to take more care because they are on the passport's watch-list.

Mayday

When it comes to choreographing a dispute, the AIGCP needs to take some lessons from people who know a thing or three about these things. The point of promising undisclosed action in things don't change before a deadline is that those actions should remain undisclosed. But the thunder of the managers' Mayday threat has of course been stolen, with - oh the irony - a leak shortly after the threat was made revealing that the AIGCP teams had unanimously agreed to boycott October's UCI-promoted Tour of Beijing, "the crown jewel of the globalisation of cycling."

One of the oddities of this threat is that one issue both sides in this dispute agree on is that of globalising our sport. Point one of the AIGCP's Ten Point Plan was "More races of the highest level outside of Europe." Pat McQuaid has made globalisation the watchword of his presidency of the UCI. But words are cheap and both sides of this silly little affair have shown that they only have their own interests at heart and are willing to do whatever it takes to protect those interests, no matter the damage their argument does to this sport.

One of the reasons the UCI chose to promote the Tour of Beijing itself is the financial contribution it could make to the organisation. The UCI organises two other major race series each year, the World Championships and World Cup races. The World Cup races operate at a loss - nearly €1m annually - but the World Championships contribute €6m to €7m profits annually. In 2009, this was 75% of the UCI's reported Gross Profit.

The UCI - contrary to popular myth - is not a wealthy organisation. The last available accounts show that it operates at an annual loss in the region of €1m. A couple of accounting tricks allow this loss to be turned into a tiny net profit each year, allowing the UCI to claim that it breaks even. The balance sheet shows that, net of liabilities, the UCI's assets amounted to just €5m at the end of 2009. Far from being a financial force to be reckoned with, the UCI is a bit of a basket case. Kicking Pat McQuaid in the coffers by boycotting the Tour of Beijing will, undoubtedly, hurt.

But if the UCI hurts, others will feel its pain. Lost revenue will mean that cutbacks will have to be made somewhere in order for the UCI to balance its books. Where the axe will fall ... well right now we can only wonder. And hope it won't impact issues we care about.

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I think your point re “no taxation without representation” is spot on, it’s not a tax, it’s fee. And it was one of the things that to me stood out when I read the leaked letter from Vaughters.

In the letter sent to teams to announce your decision, UCI argues, explaining that "the amount paid by the UCI Continental teams issignificantly below the cost price. " This analysis calls into question the need for sharing costs of such tests. Tomorrow will you pay extra ridersparticularly targeted, with which you perform more testing, simplybecause they cost more to the community? Or is it recognized the public interest that everyone contributes to the well of a common policy and thesuccess of the biological passport system? This question is particularlyrelevant as some teams are surprised paradoxically a significant drop inunannounced to their riders, since the beginning of 2011 …

I for one think it sounds like an excellent idea that targeted riders pay their share. Especially if it means that some teams will think twice before they sign a rider after a suspension.

Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...

by TheFigurehead on Apr 24, 2011 2:21 PM EDT reply actions  

The no taxation without representation line … didn’t the Bostonians rebel by chucking tea into the harbour? The best the managers can do is chuck their toys from the pram.

The idea of making teams pay per test, rather than a flat rate, sounds good but has a perception problem: the UCI could be said to be picking on individual teams by targetting their riders (or worse, the UCI could be accused of increasing revenue by increasing testing). A flat rate avoids this, and also brings peer pressure into play.

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by fmk on Apr 24, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe, but

I don’t think it’s impossible to have transparent rules that set out why a certain rider needs to be targeted. And peer pressure in the peloton, isn’t that a huge part of the problem? I doubt it will become a part of any solution.

Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...

by TheFigurehead on Apr 24, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dunno, I think peer pressure works.

Take the std analysis of doping: those who will always dope at one extreme, those who’ll never dope at the other, and in the middle those swayed this way or that. Increase one extreme and you increase its pull on the middle.

It would be nice if you could make the teams pay a per test fee, really hit the damaged teams in the pocket, but it would have to be fully transparent. And when you have Phat Pat making stupid comments like the threat he delivered Monday, then you can see why you can’t have that sort of system at present.

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Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Apr 24, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they want to boycott something ....

why not a Romandie stage that passes directly beside UCI headquarters ……..

maybe with the riders wives / girlfriends / significants painting the road in protest?

I should know this, but do UCI employees get personal tax-free status like other Swiss NGO employees (eg. Red Cross, United Nations, etc.)?

moo

by Willj on Apr 24, 2011 3:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Are you allowed paint the road in Switzerland?

On the employees question, I think there’s a split of nationalities in the Annual Report, but not sure if it refers to tax status.

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Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
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by fmk on Apr 24, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mendrisio had road paint.

"luckily for me i was born with an extremely high hemassholecrit level. no pills needed." -ant1

by JFS_PGH on Apr 24, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dunno why, I just have this notion of Switz as being down on that sort of thing. Cultural stereotypes, eh?

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by fmk on Apr 24, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

nah, plenty of paint on the mountains

it must be artistic and spelling mistakes are immediately removed #class

moo

by Willj on Apr 24, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

spelling mistakes are immediately removed

Now that fits perfectly with the stereotype.

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by fmk on Apr 24, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

So how do you do a long moo, móóó?

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by fmk on Apr 24, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

There are only long mooos and mooo is it

(But Moos is also Swiss.)

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by tedvdw on Apr 24, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow. Who knew.

This is almost as exciting as the Tintin ‘Woof! Woof!’ / Wouah! Wouah!’ controversy.

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by fmk on Apr 24, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re:

Given that us cycling fans are fickle little creatures, easily distracted by unimportant little things…. during that time some fans have had their attention distracted by classic Classics and monumental Monuments.

Made me laugh, imagining the scenario: “What, the fans are too busy watching the racing to follow our boring, never-ending disputes where both sides manage to look unsympathetic? Those bastards!”

by Sarah Connolly on Apr 24, 2011 5:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Note that May 1st falls halfway between end of Classics and start of Giro.

So you get a week of anticipation and a week of shock.

Except of course now they’ll need to come up with something new for May 1st unless they want to look fucking stupid announcing somethng the whole world already knows.

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by fmk on Apr 24, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, the week before the Giro is one of the traditional times for announcing some heinous doping scandal

Because ffs, what we all want just before the major races is some bad news. I am all for doping scandals to be publicised, but it drives me crazy that they can’t announce them a few weeks before the races…

oh, changing the subject, did you ever find out if the AIGCP represent the conti and the women’s teams, and if not, if they’re represented at all? (Obvs not including the ones that are part of elite teams set-ups)

by Sarah Connolly on Apr 24, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope, never did find out. But if you look at that number of 125 employees per team it sounds high just to be ProTour squads. AIGCP are a bit backward at coming forward. And where fans are concerned, they like the mushroom principle.

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by fmk on Apr 24, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh and re Millar's salary dropping by 300%....

I am generally useless at maths, but wouldn’t that mean he’d have to pay the team twice what he had earned the year before?? I am confused…

by Sarah Connolly on Apr 24, 2011 5:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh yes, that would be soo true. But Slipstream people and math … is it any wonder that the team operates at a loss each year? And yet JV is preaching a financial model and people are buying into it …

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by fmk on Apr 24, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holy Moly...what a house of cards.

Ya make ’em pay through the nose…..give ’em their radios!! (riders)

Soli Deo Gloria

by LooseHorse on Apr 24, 2011 7:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Ya make ’em pay through the nose

? They pay peanuts. Teams, €2m, riders, not a lot.

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by fmk on Apr 24, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe we've over-complicated this whole mess and come at it from the wrong direction.

How about the UCI just charge a flat, per radio fee ($100k per radio sounds good), the proceeds of which go directly to funding anti-doping efforts?

Sometimes I take comfort in the fact that there is a parallel universe in which I'm winning both versions of VDS.

by omnevelnihil on Apr 24, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

the proceeds of which go directly to funding anti-doping efforts

So basically the amount currently being levied on teams and rider and organisers could be reduced by the sum collected fromt he radio licence?

Now if you had said the proceeds of which go directly to funding the UCI’s overheads you might get somewhere with a thought like this in Aigle.

Also, linking it to a nebulous thing like anti-doping efforts just leaves room for dispute. The managers thing more effort should be directed at producing pamphlets and the like. Others thing more effort should mean better testing.

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by fmk on Apr 24, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I plead lack of coffee earlier. Let me elaborate thusly:

1. The “Radio Fee” (or RF) shall be applied on a per radio, per race basis including any radios in team vehicles.
2. An optional “Lockout Fee” can be paid to secure the team channel from public broadcast (i.e. to keep tactics “secure”).
3. All RF and LF funds are voluntary contributions by the teams, over and above their standing commitments to UCI funding and anti-doping systems.

As to the disposal of funds, I don’t have anything new and I don’t understand the UCI well enough to know whether they should go to overheards or be earmarked for specific anti-doping functions (be they preventive or punitive).

Sometimes I take comfort in the fact that there is a parallel universe in which I'm winning both versions of VDS.

by omnevelnihil on Apr 24, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

You really believe this is about race radios, don’t you?

Haven’t you seen the AGCP’s last compromise? A study group, which’ll report back so far into the future we’ll have forgotten this and won’t notice them backing down.

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by fmk on Apr 25, 2011 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually I don't really know what any of it is about

It’s all just rather tiresome. The radio/no-radio thing appears (on what I’ve seen this season) to not be a determining factor in the quality or style of racing. The doping stuff is still a minefield of testing, education, re-testing, suspension, scandal, reinstatement, appeal, overruling, jurisdictional pissing contest and more.

But if it actually was about radios, then yeah – I’d think that making teams pay for radios and perhaps limit the number of races they can use them in, would be an interesting meta-tactical decision the teams would have to make. Sort of like the Coach’s challenge in NFL.

Sometimes I take comfort in the fact that there is a parallel universe in which I'm winning both versions of VDS.

by omnevelnihil on Apr 25, 2011 7:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

OK, I stand corrected ( lot of numbers to digest )...

UCI = [North of ] 20m / yr. budget
WC races bring in = 7m ( in a good year)
Teams contribute = 2m + riders fees
Where’s the other 10m come from? How come UCI operates on -1m loss/ yr.

It ain’t about the $$$$ >>> It ain’t about the radios >>> it’s about the power!!

and Still…. w/o riders, No 2m, No WC (7m), whos’ gunna fund 60% of CADF,[ in fact…who needs CADF]
if UCI wants to survive – better let’m have their radios.

I’m having a hard time believing the teams net 14m/yr. (or anywhere close)

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by LooseHorse on Apr 24, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

The accounts are linked. I’m not turning this into an analysis of em.

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by fmk on Apr 25, 2011 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

i don't think they net 14M

they have revenues (sponsor money) of 14M. and costs of about 14M i would guess.

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by ant1 on Apr 25, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

€14m is an average for the top twenty teams, for their revenue line.

Profit wise … well look at Garvélo – JV says the team operates at a loss (presumably after investors like himself and St David get paid whatever they get paid).

As for longterm value … well look at Tailwind.

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by fmk on Apr 26, 2011 7:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

This interview

with JV last year puts the teams revenue at $200M and an average of around 50 jobs per team (and is more in line with the numbers used in the TdF guide last year)
Seems the intervening year under the current model has led to increased income/growth and/or hyperbole.

by andrewp on Apr 28, 2011 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

:) Good recall.

As I’ve said before, I think the diff is in the multiple teams model. Garvélo have ProTour, Conti, U23 and Women’s teams. Other teams are similarly represented in multiple leagues. That €200m number looks like it represents just the ProTour side of things.

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by fmk on Apr 28, 2011 3:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why not publish all biopassport data?

Is there some reason to keep it secret? I don’t get you points. I can’t quite get who is saying what here in regard to biopassport.

1. Are the teams suggesting passport be reduced in any way? Is UCI?
2. If not what exactly is the dispute of passport data? Is it just access?

This is very confused to me.

by Markk on Apr 24, 2011 9:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Publish? As on the internets? Don’t you thnk the experience with Wiggo shows why that’s a non-starter?

As regards your confusion – everyone is just using doping for propaganda purporses, hence thinhs aren’t explained and don’t all stack up.

The dispute around passport data seems to be access to its inner workings, representation in the star chamber and – to my reading – knowing who’s on the watchlist. The foxes want control of the hen house.

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by fmk on Apr 25, 2011 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

The foxes want control of the hen house.

This is what makes me nervous. The UCI wants doping controversies to go away, but it also wants people to think it’s doing something, and in the process some things do get done. So, while they might have a history of turning a blind eye, they don’t actually want people to use PEDs.

The teams, on the other hand… Some of them no doubt do want their riders to use PEDs—as long as they don’t get caught.

by Drongo on Apr 25, 2011 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Meant publish to teams and federations

Publish didn’t mean on internet there. Sorry, I wasn’t thinking how that would look. I just meant to all teams and riders. As long as the teams don’t have any input into how the biopassport is done, I don’t think sharing the output is bad. Also to the point that the passport will allow fine tuning of PED use, great – lets fine tune it right down to where it does not make a significant difference. If there is a way to use BP data to change drug use patterns, then that sounds like a place where it needs to be revised to indicate that new use.

The thing is, EPO and such PED’s have shown us that there are a few giant knobs in cycling: Performance is on another level with their use. It seems to me Biopassport will indicate that level to a good degree.

by Markk on Apr 25, 2011 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

But what would be the merit of giving teams and riders the data?

What use is that data to them? In what way can they use the data legitimately?

by Jens on Apr 25, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Would love to hear an answer to that one …

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by fmk on Apr 26, 2011 5:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

If someone were checking my blood,

I’d want to know what they were seeing. Stops any sense of creeping anxiety. Answers general human curiosity. Yeah, it can be misused, but so what? I mean, rich teams can already pay for their own vampires.

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by JFS_PGH on May 2, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

JFS – do pay attention. Riders can get their own data. So teams, in effect, can get the data for their riders. But why should teams have access to the full population? Why should teams have access to the inside skinny on who the star chamber thinks needs more investigation?

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by fmk on May 3, 2011 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

You are not devious enough

When all biopassport data is published, riders will be able to fine-tune their doping regime to eliminate all anomalies.

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by tedvdw on Apr 25, 2011 5:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Certainly.

Because then you aren’t cheating. The way the system is currently set-up, it’s not that if you dope you’re a cheater, it’s if you go over a certain line, point, value…. or in other words… if you get caught you’re a cheater.

I mean, this is truly fundamental to all sport, cheat to win (within ‘the rules’), just don’t get caught, that’s why other sports have fouls and penalties…

but cycling just operates at a more concentrated level if you will…. it’s magnitudes larger, it’s like “tripping” on steroids (sorry, I couldn’t resist.)

by LawrenceS on Apr 25, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because then you aren’t cheating

Say what? No, the current system is not about thresholds. Yes, some of the tests can allow for thresholds, but if they cn catch you below what people think the trheshold is, they will.

The passport is far from perfect. But handing over its output to the dopers is not going to help improve it.

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by fmk on Apr 26, 2011 5:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

There was a really interesting Anne Gripper article on just publishing everything earlier in the year

Her point re publishing it all is that a) it can let armchair analysts jump to conclusions that can be way off beam – both about perceived innocence or guilt. It’s expensive because it has a whole board to different kinds of experts jigsawing their knowledge together to draw meaningful conclusions. This wasn’t talked about in terms of “so keep it secret” but in terms of “riders & teams need to be very careful before they publish it”. She explains that better than I can paraphrase

The other thing is if it’s all 100% open, then that helps the nefarious elements of the sport who are already trying to game the system – and yes, that can include riders, doctors and team management. So if you’re experimenting with eg microdosing, tranfusing etc, the biopassport data will be marvellous to use to analyse whether you’re getting it “right” or not

by Sarah Connolly on Apr 25, 2011 7:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks fro the link.
I read this before and I feel it is pretty spot on.

What would Deming do? (+8:00 GMT)

by Ryan_Liles on Apr 25, 2011 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

That Gripper piece was good. And was good to see her back in circulation. Should probably have worked it into the above, but for me, not giving the likes of Bugno and Amadio the keys to the safe is a no brainer.

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by fmk on Apr 26, 2011 5:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have to say that I don't get your insistence that passport data, or at least status...

…should remain secret.

I can think of a whole lot of legit reasons why both riders unions and teams want to know if the UCI is treating something as hinky, leaving aside the due process implications of riders and teams having some notice that they are under investigation.

You dismiss the validity of any of these concerns out of hand. I’d sort of like to hear your reasoning for doing so.

by Ed K on Apr 24, 2011 10:34 PM EDT reply actions  

As far as I understand it, once a case is decided upon, a rider has plenty of opportunity to explain the patterns in his passport.

Why shouldn’t riders have full access? Consider a rider who is micro-dosing to keep thier parameters in line. Having a too perfect passport is as suspicious as having a weird one. Do you want to give that rider info that will tell him to change his methods and put some peaks and troughs into his numbers?

I don’t understand why the potential criminals think they have a right of access to ongoing investigations. That just sounds dumb to me.

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by fmk on Apr 25, 2011 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed

It’s not like eg people being investigated for fraud are told about it, or shown what’s being looked at, before the investigation has found enough evidence

by Sarah Connolly on Apr 25, 2011 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

You seem to be implying that the riders do not themselves have access to their own biological measurements used in the bio-passport. Are you sure about this? I imagine that those with a sophisticated micro-dosing regimen will be taking exactly the same measurements as the UCI’s testers do.

The riders and teams are probably mainly interested in whose data (or what types of data) the testers find abnormal or suspicious, rather than their own data.

But it could save the dopers some money to let them have their bio-passport data, as they would not need to replicate the measurements. Which is a good reason against.

by papyrus on Apr 25, 2011 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, I know full well that riders have access to their own data. And that – certainly in the recent past – Garmin and HTC had access to all their riders’ data too.

What I am talking about is letting teams and riders know what the rest of the popultion looks like, so they can match it and make their own numbers look less suspicious.

A rider accessing his own data is in the dark. A rider able to compare his own data to everyone else’s … Hog heaven.

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by fmk on Apr 26, 2011 5:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Counter-argument: say you got something tainted...just for example, or were ill...

…and something spiked. Presumably prompt notice would make it non-trivially easier for you to account for it than it might be months down the road. If you’re going to use this to sanction people, they should have every opportunity to defend themselves. I don’t know enough about the science to know how likely something like that might be, but it surely seems prima facie as if it’d be a real concern.

I also think papyrus’s point is well taken. Surely anyone doing this with sufficient sophistication to have a chance of getting away with it is monitoring themselves very closely.

Finally, on general principles, I get the need to collect, store, and analyze all this data; but I think somewhere along the way, there needs to be regular and fairly prompt notification process in re: the outcomes of that and what the heck is being done with all this biometric data. Failing that, the entire bio-passport becomes just cringe-inducing as far as I’m concerned.

by Ed K on Apr 25, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bio-power...

…tout court. But this veers toward political and philosophical territory, so possibly it should stop here. There are aspects to the whole thing that make me uncomfortable at pretty deep levels, despite my general sense that it’s a vast improvement in the working conditions of professional athletes for doping to be sufficiently controlled that participating in it is not a condition for having a career. I think that how you accomplish that goal is not a neutral matter, at all, and that there are some ways of getting there that might be almost as bad as not getting there at all.

by Ed K on Apr 25, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re notice of an anomaly etc

At the start of the passport there was a lot of trumpeting that early ABP test results were being used to target testing that was leading to catching cycdlists using peds use “red handed” – there were complaints at the time that every single bust was being followed with this claim and that it was becoming almost trite.

But giving notice of every anomaly would take away any element of surprise in follow up testing – which does remain a significant use of the passport data. Many applaud that before every TdF the main protagonists are targetted for extra testing etc as a matter of course, and were firmly on the side of the AFLD for seemingly doing this much better than the UCI. ATOC are doing it this year iirc. All races should, but many budgets dont allow.

Newcycling pathways amongst others went on the record early as saying this was the best use (and should be the only use as a prosecutor) of the passport due to the vagaries of relying solely on the early data – and hence all the arguments that occurred at the time that the ABP wasn’t sophisticated enough to use for prosecution (since disregarded by CAS). It was also the exact same line repeated by Amadio all the way during the Pellizotti case until the day of the CAS decision.

In the last 18 months the collection of ABP samples has been a massive priority of the UCI testing regime. (Indeed there is an argument to be made that there has been too much ABP testing and not enought testing for peds specifically – see parts of the IO report on the TdF and elsewhere) But the focus on the ABP has meant that now there exists a much larger body of data for comparison purposes, which will only continue to grow as more tests are done, leading to even better determination of “irregular” results on an individual and collective basis.

I see little in the current operation of the pasport that is cringe inducing – rather an improving and increasingly sophisticated anti-doping tool.

by andrewp on Apr 25, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I tend to agree...

…at the level of science and reliability, but I also think that if it’s sufficiently good, it should survive a fair amount of transparency, and I also see where groups like a riders union, the function of which has to be to advocate for the riders’ interests, can have a perfectly reasonable ground for asking to be notified where there are cases or investigations being pursued against its members.

I don’t get why that’s unreasonable, or why we should see any request coming from the teams or riders having to do with due process in all of this is really just an attempt to weaken the system to the point of its being ineffective.

In any event, I see no reason why those who think that there should be significant limits on how transparent that process is should be made to justify that, both initially and as a matter of continuing policy.

by Ed K on Apr 25, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

gah, last sentence should end:

…on how transparent that process is should not be made to justify that, both initially and as a matter of continuing policy.

by Ed K on Apr 25, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

my general argument

is that when dealing with a longitudinal type of monitoring, revealing your data before you collect all of it makes it possible for the later data to be manipulated in order to distort the entire picture. also, it’s better not to give the athletes a window into how their actions effect their testing (ie drinking a liter of water reduces your crit by x%, which they probably know already, but that’s the only example i could come up with).

regarding the point somewhere along this thread that the athletes could just get other doctors to perform the tests for them and get at the same data. if that was true, why would they want to see the ABP data? just get a doctor to do it for you. that probably isn’t good enough for a couple reasons. a) it’s probably expensive as hell, and b) you don’t know what tests the vampires are performing on the blood/urine they take, assuming they don’t run every test on every sample.

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by ant1 on Apr 25, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

This may end up being the decisive argument...

…but I’d like to see them forced to make it every once in awhile in order to be sure it’s really decisive. I think systems with such minimal transparency as this have lots and lots of really serious potential for abuse, and part of the function of things like the rider’s union has to be that of seeking to prevent abuse by continually questioning how much opacity is needed.

by Ed K on Apr 25, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree

and your point about abuse is well taken. it’s something i didn’t consider, as i was going for more of a 30,000 ft view. i know about nothing when it comes to the details of the program, but i’m sure that, like everything including death and taxes, it can be abused one way or another. and i’m not a big fan of the uci these days, so i would like to see some checks and balances to minimize the possible abuse. and yes, it would be nice to see them making the argument instead of their usual ‘if you don’t like it, too damn bad’ responses.

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by ant1 on Apr 25, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree these are areas not to be dismissed lightly

and should be of ongoing concern. In the short term, to establish the system, transparency and sharing of data has been of very low/no priority. But then the abyss that cycling was in probably justified that.

Can also argue that ultimately ABP samples provided are no different to samples provided for PED testing (which theoretically can be stored and retested years later – even if that is rare in practice) and as such is in effect just using a sample (up to) years later just like an ABP sample, just less immediate.
Yet there is no demand from any team or rider for more retroactive testing or complaints about it – just demand for a look at the longitudinal stuff, which has obvious beneficial use to the unclean cyclist

Long term there probably is a need for a level of transparency – particularly when the hormone type profiling is also fully on board – if only on health grounds. Due to the Garmin/Lowe kerfuffle the issue of team quarterly testing and certain thresholds etc is now better known. Such a requirement will be almost anachronistic in time if the ABP is going to incorporate these tests.
(Adding why the samples aren’t tested re white blood cells counts at the same time and that info reported back to riders still defies my belief – particularly in light of some of the illnesses the cyclists pick up due to stressed immune systems (cytomegalovirus/toxoplasmosis/mono etc) – but no team or rider offers to pay for that or campaigns for similar – and that ain’t that expensive)

To compete in any sport at a serious level entails accepting some restriction to your basic rights. It isn’t life and death – its just sport and how you make a living. As a barrister at law you better not commit a criminal offence or your livelihood can be taken away, to be a driver of a electricity company van in the UK means you have to agree to be random drug tested, to be a member of a WT level cycling team currently means your submit to the ABP. Doesn’t make it fundamentally unfair.
But agree it does mean, as it evolves, all issues, eg. how much of the info is shared, should be regularly reviewed, even if not necessarily changed.

Whether it should be a political football as currently happening also a moot point.
Whilst it remains only a prosecution tool, have to ask why any prosecution would readily tell a “suspect” they are being monitored with a view to being acted against as a matter of course.

by andrewp on Apr 25, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yet there is no demand from any team or rider for more retroactive testing or complaints about it

Gee, I wonder why that is? :)

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by fmk on Apr 26, 2011 6:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

have a perfectly reasonable ground for asking to be notified where there are cases or investigations being pursued against its members

They have that. They want to know when cases are being considered to be pursued.

Look at it this way. Imagine I work for the Revenue Commissionaires. If I open up tax audit on you, I have to inform you. But do I have to inform you if I take your file off the shelf to see whether you need a tax audit? Because that is what the riders effectively want. Something that wouldn’t happen anywhere else in the real world.

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by fmk on Apr 26, 2011 5:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

That makes sense, given the analogy.

I’m not 100% sure about the analogy, but I’m not at all opposed to the idea that there are limits on how transparent this system can be and remain effective. I do think it’s probably not a bad thing that there will be a continuing push-pull about it, though, for reasons I’ve already spelled out. Anyway, I’m mostly satisfied with what’s been explained so far.

by Ed K on Apr 26, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

An individual rider could hire a physician to monitor their blood levels and give reports as to what is happening in their bodies.

    This doctor doesn’t need to be involved with supplying pharmaceuticals, just reading/monitoring independently ordered blood tests. I think this could be arranged rather easily by any individual and the doctor would basically not have any need to know anything about what is going on in terms of the specifics. The riders team might not know a thing about any of this but if they have their own doctor looking at specific riders blood passports they may be able to approach a rider and confront him with information and sit him out until things stabilize. Why allow or encourage this? To protect the sponsor and all the other riders on the team. The cheaters aren’t the only ones who might still benefit, if the teams can protect their sponsors and in turn, the lone cheaters team mates and staff then it makes a lot of sense to share the passport information.

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by flying dog on Apr 25, 2011 10:34 AM EDT reply actions  

But for all the above who think data hould be given out, I refer back to the Anne Gripper article I posted above

where Gripper says it’s really hard to analyse without a set of experts from different specialities. Teams don’t have access to all those specialities, so what will they do with the data? In fact, what would they DO with it? I’m really interested in that aspect as well, because aside from the issues of nefarious teams, there are also issues of teams who’d jump to the wrong conclusions on innocent riders.

I don’t really know what I think on this one, but partly that’s because there doesn’t seem to be enough info to make my mind up on it – we hear people want it, but not why (makes me suspicious, looking at some of the players) and it worries me. Some team managers want to know which of their riders are being targeted – but again, what would they do with those riders? Take a rider off the team? If they’re innocent, and the further testing shows that that, it affects them unfairly; and if they’re guilty, it gives them the chance to stop doing what they’re doing and avoid being caught? And on the other side, it feels like McQuaid is being his usual self, and I’d like to know why as well…..

by Sarah Connolly on Apr 25, 2011 1:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Wait

how can your salary drop by 300%? Does that mean he paid them 200% of his previous year’s salary?

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by Chris Fontecchio on Apr 25, 2011 5:59 PM EDT reply actions  

See Pigeons’ comment earlier Chris. As I say, these Slipstream people and math …

I am glad people noticed this, cause it was a silly little thing that drove me nuts when that interview first appeared.

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by fmk on Apr 26, 2011 6:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, also noticed.

And it still bugs me that I cannot even figure out what he wanted to say. 66% because it is three times lower? Or 75% because then the previous year was 300% higher? Oh, whatever.

by papyrus on Apr 26, 2011 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think what he was trying to say was “Wah! I was hard done by!”

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by fmk on Apr 27, 2011 6:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Little chance it seems of

recommendation 44 of the WADA IO TdF report (page 34+) happening any time soon in the current climate

Lastly, the IO Team discussed the Code of Conduct which the ProTeams signed up to in 2004, but which seems to have been disregarded by both the ProTeams and the UCI. The IO Team is of the view that the UCI is highly unlikely to be successful in tackling doping in the sport of cycling without the active and committed involvement of the ProTeams and the value of reinvigorating the Code would have substantial benefits to the UCI, ASO, participating teams and clean riders. As a result this report recommends that the UCI should reinvigorate discussions regarding a Code of Conduct for ProTeams with the intention of establishing a mutually agreement Code before the next season of Grand Tours.

by andrewp on Apr 25, 2011 6:36 PM EDT reply actions  

see also recommendations 14 & 15 of the same report (page 16+)
From what the IO Team observed on the Tour, the ABP could have an even more significant impact on the execution of the UCI’s anti-doping programme, if used to greater effect.

Having implemented this programme two years ago the UCI has access to a variety of blood parameters for each rider which forms what is known as the rider’s blood profile. Where this differs from previous versions of a passport programme, the UCI’s programme is able to establish the norm of the measured parameters for each individual rider after a number of samples have been collected. If atypical or abnormal readings are observed then the UCI is able to react by target testing or in some instances charge a rider for the ‘use’ of prohibited substances and/or methods.

For the Tour ABP samples are sent to the Lausanne Laboratory in anonymous format, the results of which are then statistically analysed by the Athlete Passport Management Unit (APMU) and sent to the UCI and the experts if necessary During the major Tours the AMPU in turn provides a commentary to the UCI regarding all of the riders’ profile identifying whether the profile was suspicious (using a 10 point scale with 10 representing the highest priority for testing and 1 the least) as well as recommendations as to the type of test to target the rider.

The data that the UCI holds on each rider is hugely valuable in informing an intelligent testing programme. It is clear that there are very few Anti-Doping Organisations that have such intelligence to hand and the UCI should be congratulated on the ABP programme and the benefits it brings to their programme and the world of anti-doping. Members of the IO Team were very grateful to receive this highly sensitive information.

For the Tour, the UCI collected 198 ABP samples immediately prior to the Tour in Rotterdam with the aim to establish the most recent blood profile of each rider. Throughout the Tour an additional 124 ABP samples were collected across seven different days providing the UCI with the current profile on certain riders. The time taken from the collection of the ABP sample until the results from the APMU was noted in some situations to be up to ten days, although initial information used to target test was generally provided within 2-4 days post collection…….

Recommendation 14: The UCI should continue to invest time and money in the Athlete Biological Passport (ABP) programme as it has the potential to radically change the way the UCI (and other Anti-Doping Organisations) conducts its anti-doping programme.

The IO Team observed that the ABP data is made available on ADAMS within a short period after the analysis is completed. The aim of this is to allow the testing authority to react rapidly when an atypical and/or abnormal result is received. However, in referring to the Guidelines for Biological Passport Programme there is no mention about the actual time to report this data. Also the WADA Guidelines specify that data from the ABP should be available on ADAMS with access to both the anti-doping organisation and the rider concerned.

The IO Team’s understanding of the Guidelines is that data does not necessarily need to be available to both parties (ie. the anti-doping organisation and the rider) immediately after the analysis is completed. The data could be sent to the UCI first followed by the recommendation from the APMU which the UCI could then act upon and conducted a target test of the rider if there are suspicions. When sufficient time has passed and if needed, a follow up test conducted, the data could then be released on ADAMS, with access to the rider concerned. This would minimise the possibility of riders being aware of possible follow up testing and/or then having the ability to manipulate their blood profiles after accessing such data and before a follow up sample can be collected.

Recommendation 15: The UCI and WADA should consider the timing of releasing ABP date to riders to ensure that the UCI has time to review and act accordingly on any profiles that warrant further investigation and/or testing prior to the rider being afforded the same opportunity to look at their own profiles.

by andrewp on Apr 26, 2011 3:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

or in short

the data is out there for athletes, just not the results of the analysis of it – such as their current score from one to ten etc

by andrewp on Apr 26, 2011 3:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

So WADA agree that the raw data should be available to the riders

the question then is how long the timelapse should be between testing and release to ensure that any possible follow-up investigations aren’t compromised?

by Jens on Apr 26, 2011 5:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes
8. All raw data coming from the WADA-accredited Laboratories
(scattergrams, internal and external quality controls etc.) should be
made available to the Athlete and relevant Anti-Doping Organization
upon request and in accordance with the International Standard for
the Protection of Privacy and Personal Information.

9. The biological profiles are made available to the Athlete and the Anti-
Doping Organization via ADAMS in order to be processed by the
Adaptive Model and to follow the mandatory results management
protocol identified in the Technical Document of the IST (and outlined
in Annex D herein).

Page 13 of the WADA ABP guidelines

The IO team were recommending that a delay in inputting the info into ADAMS etc should be considered to enable better targetting, as an athlete could be getting their hands on the info too quickly as the system is curently operated during a GT

by andrewp on Apr 26, 2011 6:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here we go...

…good to see that the principles acknowledged in 8 are being taken into account.

by Ed K on Apr 26, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks fmk, this was really fab

i felt smarter at the end, which is good.

by Jen See on Apr 25, 2011 8:15 PM EDT reply actions  

BTW, I should point out, not only do I not want the AIGCP and the CPA being given access to the secret bits of the passport, I think that fuckwit Pat McQuaid should be kept as far away as possible from it too. His Monday thret – even if he was just shooting his mouth off – was not good.

pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Apr 26, 2011 6:31 AM EDT reply actions  

+ 1

The most amusing thing about this whole dispute is how neither side looks particularly good! That’s why I love this piece – it highlights how both sides are as bad as each other!

by Sarah Connolly on Apr 26, 2011 6:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

CPA / UCI and the passport - some quotes

Speaking early Jan

There needs to be changes in how it [the biological passport] is managed and how it is carried out. As it stands now, it gives no guarantees to anyone."

He was at this time upset abotu the Pellizotti case:

“Pelli is paying for the war he fought and won against the UCI on the biological passport. Teams aren’t taking him because they’re afraid of blackmail, Danilo has got into legal proceedings with the UCI because after having his suspension reduced by 9 months he doesn’t want to have to pay those 9 months of the fine. It seems a pointless and even damaging conflict to me because it’s slowing down his return.”

A couple months later, CAS agreed with the UCI about Pellizotti

Previously, Bugno had called for all nine members of the passport star chamber to have all the data on all the registered testing pool:

“We have already sent a letter to [UCI] President Pat McQuaid,” said Bugno, “to ask that there are no longer filters in the profile selection of athletes and that all nine experts have the data of the 850 riders involved, and not only those who are irregular.”

The UCI eventually responded to Bugno’s baiting with this:

“It seemed that everyone was anxious to see the work of the new method, to know the first names and first cases. But now that it has entered its active phase, it seems the biological passport was loved more in its early phases than when it shed light on certain cases. Then you hear Bugno say nothing works and everything has to be rethought. Yet nothing has changed except that now the theory is being put into practice.”

pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Apr 26, 2011 6:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Yes I think that is a key point!

Bio-passport seems to be somewhat effective at changing rider habits. Look at that Science of sport graph showing significant blood and power level output changes since biological passport has gone into effect. I am coming around to the idea of keeping the data under wraps at the individual level.

by Markk on Apr 26, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

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