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Paris-Roubaix

I have always loved the insider tech pieces that circulate this time of the year (although I haven't really seen a ton yet) regarding all the modified pro bikes for the cobbled classics.  The courses of Flanders certainly will keep the hair-trigger climbing bikes in the garage but Paris-Roubaix is an entirely different animal altogether.  Virtually flat, the racers approach the over-50km of bone-rattling/bike breaking cobbles at high rates of speeds.  An early mechanical might not be a death sentence but once you hit the Forest, only the very strongest can ride back in to contention if an equipment failure occurs.  Riders will opt for larger tires (up to 27mm wide) tradtional rims and frames with longer stays and wheel bases.  BUT this year the weather looks like it will be a dry and fast(er) day.  I suspect we will see fewer modified 'cross bikes and more traditional road bikes.  

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One trend that seems to be catching on is the use of wider tubular rims.  Normal road rims are 19-20mm in width however Zipp, Bonti and other companies are offering deep carbon rims some as wide as 25mm.  The wider rim is designed to provide better tire performance, strength and a larger gluing surface.  Hed has offered this design for years but others are following suit.  Could this spell the end of Ambrosio Nemesis' from the Northern Classics?   

Will the improvements in carbon technology combined with dry road surface mean we may see more traditional road bikes and tires than in Roubaix' past?  Gearing will typically be 53/44 or 53/46t cranks with 11-21 clusters (not much climbing on Sunday..) and riders will still opt for alloy bars and stems but what more will separate Sunday's bikes from the ones they will use the rest of the month in the Ardennes?  

Walking around the pits of Rouabix post-race last year, I noted 24mm-27mm tires were the standards, and I did see some canti brakes and more relaxed frames (Liquigas pit was half Cannondale Super Six frames and half Synapse which is their comfort frame).  Will Saxo and HTC be on Specialized Tarmac SL3's, Roubaix's or McLaren Venge aero frames?  What will Garmin-Cervelo be on?  Tyler likes the aero S3, but will Thor be on the more comfortable R3 or the even more comfy RS (which was popular in the Roubaix pits last year).  

Anyhow, I will be enjoying the tech talk almost as much as the race and would love to hear from some of you tech-savvy folks about what to expect on Sunday.  

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I wonder if Hushovd would risk riding the Cervelo R5 this year

I don’t think he’d ride the S3. I think this is the one race where their classics crew opts for R-series.

"Oh man, it’s going to take days to kill all these people!"

by ncrow on Apr 7, 2011 9:49 PM EDT reply actions  

According to CN

he’s riding an R3.

A bike should have a voice... it should speak to you, and you should hear it, and what it should say is: "Attack!" - sminer

by swells on Apr 8, 2011 6:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently

Thor is riding Mavic Wheels this year, M40’s, instead of the 303’s he’s rode the last couple years.

"It's really who can just push the biggest gear the fastest and the hardest, and I want to be that guy" - GHH

by jsallee00 on Apr 7, 2011 10:18 PM EDT reply actions  

oops

meant to include the link

"It's really who can just push the biggest gear the fastest and the hardest, and I want to be that guy" - GHH

by jsallee00 on Apr 7, 2011 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cool video.

Mavic’s were popular in Flanders too.

"In road cycling tires 25mm is the new 22mm"
-Chris Fontecchio, PdC April 2011-

by Mr Van P on Apr 7, 2011 10:25 PM EDT reply actions  

The R3 that he's riding has plenty of tire clearance in the seat stays.

the frame they show at 2:35 of the video is really tight though with the larger tubs.

"In road cycling tires 25mm is the new 22mm"
-Chris Fontecchio, PdC April 2011-

by Mr Van P on Apr 7, 2011 10:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Dry conditions plus recently updated product testing standards . . . .

 . . . . will lead to very few special tech in the pits.

While many are as bummed out not to see as much cool stuff as I am, I feel this also is shows that that brands have actually started not to only to recognize the very real demand for products used in these sort of races, but they are also manufacturing much more durable product overall then what was available in the past.

Much of this is from the latest round of testing standards now required in Europe.

What would Deming do? (+8:00 GMT)

by Ryan_Liles on Apr 7, 2011 10:35 PM EDT reply actions  

excellent point.

I think the popularity of the Specialized Roubaix has shown folks really want comfort and durability. For riders like me, comfort=speed.

"In road cycling tires 25mm is the new 22mm"
-Chris Fontecchio, PdC April 2011-

by Mr Van P on Apr 7, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

O/T TdF - P-R

Speaking of Random Thoughts…
Anyone know who the last TdF winner was to race Paris-Roubaix? My guess would be LeMond or Fignon.

There were a lot of fresh cowboys in the peloton and it was a nervous fuss. Tommeke

by ELVISGOAT on Apr 7, 2011 10:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Landis!

If cobble delusions are wrong, who wants to be right? -JFS PGH

by Chris Fontecchio on Apr 7, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

he said winner...

"In road cycling tires 25mm is the new 22mm"
-Chris Fontecchio, PdC April 2011-

by Mr Van P on Apr 7, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I forgot FLandis rode P-R

But Van P is right, he doesn’t count, unfortunately.

There were a lot of fresh cowboys in the peloton and it was a nervous fuss. Tommeke

by ELVISGOAT on Apr 8, 2011 6:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why not?

He first rode Roubaix, then won the Tour, then he didn’t. At some point he had both ridden Roubaix and won the Tour. A better reason for him not to count is that he never rode Roubaix after winning the Tour. Who did?

by tedvdw on Apr 8, 2011 6:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I see your point.

Hinault ‘81 answers the question, but I’m not sure he was the most recent. 30 years seems a long time.

There were a lot of fresh cowboys in the peloton and it was a nervous fuss. Tommeke

by ELVISGOAT on Apr 8, 2011 7:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I changed his wheel in the 2004 edition

Of the 8 wheel changes I did, half were Postal.
Some genius decided they would make special Roubaix bontrager wheels.
Clearly he knew nothing about wheel building or the race’s harsh roads, the spokes all unraveled.

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the Flag and carrying the Cross."
--Sinclair Lewis

by MavicMoto on Apr 8, 2011 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

ha!

postal doesn’t seem to have the best equipment record at PR. i guess that’s what happens when you specialize in winning the tour.

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Apr 8, 2011 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought that guy was Julien DeVries?

No?

What would Deming do? (+8:00 GMT)

by Ryan_Liles on Apr 8, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

for 36 hours, this was the correct answer.

If cobble delusions are wrong, who wants to be right? -JFS PGH

by Chris Fontecchio on Apr 8, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lemond would be my guess

"In road cycling tires 25mm is the new 22mm"
-Chris Fontecchio, PdC April 2011-

by Mr Van P on Apr 8, 2011 7:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Mine too

He must have done another PR at some point.

If cobble delusions are wrong, who wants to be right? -JFS PGH

by Chris Fontecchio on Apr 8, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

AHA!

LeMond rode P-R in 1992: http://www.worldcycling.com/1992_1993-PARIS-ROUBAIX-DVD/productinfo/REPAR9293/

If cobble delusions are wrong, who wants to be right? -JFS PGH

by Chris Fontecchio on Apr 8, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

So

Was LeMond the last man for all seasons? What about Fignon? Surely he rode some P-Rs.

If cobble delusions are wrong, who wants to be right? -JFS PGH

by Chris Fontecchio on Apr 8, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Am guessing

he rode it a fair number of times. He was kind of a hell-yeah guy, especially for big races.

If cobble delusions are wrong, who wants to be right? -JFS PGH

by Chris Fontecchio on Apr 8, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is why I would love to see another French

TdF champ.

"In road cycling tires 25mm is the new 22mm"
-Chris Fontecchio, PdC April 2011-

by Mr Van P on Apr 8, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indurain never rode it,

nor did Jan. I’m not sure about Riis or Pantani, but I’m guessing no. Pereiro never rode it either. Big Tex rode the Ronde but never Roubaix. Contador, no.

"In road cycling tires 25mm is the new 22mm"
-Chris Fontecchio, PdC April 2011-

by Mr Van P on Apr 8, 2011 7:14 AM EDT reply actions  

i think he may have

someone posted a picture on twitter asking ‘who is this guy?’ i think it was senor pelota.

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Apr 8, 2011 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

while it's fun watching the pros on the cobbles

I can’t imagine I’d ever take my own road bike on the Roubaix course. I’d use a beat up old hybrid.

moo

by Willj on Apr 8, 2011 7:40 AM EDT reply actions  

That sort of thinking

Led to hincapie’s steerer failure.

by R Mc on Apr 8, 2011 8:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

sorry, mobile posting issues...

I rode 2 passes through the Trouee and 2 of the Haveluy sectuer (4 star) on a CAAD8 with 32 hole handbuilt wheels and 25mm tires, if/when I go back and ride the whole course it will be on my Randonee set up (only with a standard crankset).
Cross bike, 30mm cross tires (file tread). I wouldn’t subject a road bike to that kind of punishment again.

"In road cycling tires 25mm is the new 22mm"
-Chris Fontecchio, PdC April 2011-

by Mr Van P on Apr 8, 2011 8:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Cool piece on Bike Radar about Fabian's Roubaix bike

here

"In road cycling tires 25mm is the new 22mm"
-Chris Fontecchio, PdC April 2011-

by Mr Van P on Apr 9, 2011 7:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Prototype rims

I wouldn’t have expected that, wonder if he’ll actually ride them tomorrow.

"It's really who can just push the biggest gear the fastest and the hardest, and I want to be that guy" - GHH

by jsallee00 on Apr 9, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

They look nice though...

My guess is the rims will stay at home with the electronic shifters…

by JustJoshinYa on Apr 9, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe the gregarios will, but I doubt if they will be apart of the Gladiator’s weaponry today.

What would Deming do? (+8:00 GMT)

by Ryan_Liles on Apr 10, 2011 5:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's going with the mechanical

Dura Ace over the Di2. 16.4lbs is pretty light for a bike in this race.

"In road cycling tires 25mm is the new 22mm"
-Chris Fontecchio, PdC April 2011-

by Mr Van P on Apr 9, 2011 7:55 AM EDT reply actions  

didn't do di2 in flanders either...
other Shimano-sponsored mechanics we spoke to suggested that the Di2 system could occasionally get “confused” on especially bumpy sections of pavé if the system is anything but perfectly adjusted – tough to say at this point if that conclusion is real or perceived

The three or four brain cells I have left would be scrambled after a day of cobbles too, so I can understand a little confusion is bound to take place…

by JustJoshinYa on Apr 9, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

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