Giro Donne – Who’s going to win?
So we’ve had a look at the course, the next obvious question is who will be standing on top of the podium when we get to Turin at the end of next week. That’s easy you might think, just look at the formbook. Well if you’re one of those scientific sorts who reckons that you can predict these sorts of things by taking certain numbers and plugging them in to super-clever and super-super-secret formulae, then this year you are going to have to dig deep for those numbers, because there’s not a lot to go on. We lost the other big climby tour, the Tour de l’Aude, the Giro del Trentino was a lot less hilly than usual, despite signing for a European team, Diadora Pasta Zara, this year, Mara Abbott has spent more time in the US than she did last year when she was riding for Peanut Butter & Co, then she recently had a mystery crash while training which caused her to miss more racing, and Emma Pooley sat out a large part of the spring with a broken collar-bone. Of course that won’t make much difference to those of us who use the stick wet finger in the air then wing it method, but be reassured that this year that is a lot closer to the science. So here’s who I think will be the top five in thes year’s Giro Donne.
1. Marianne Vos
But isn’t this a course for weeny climbers, you ask. Well it’s a tricky equation to balance. On one side there are all those mountains, but on the other there is Vos’ ridiculous winning streak in June, and the fact that she has only finished off the podium four times this year, and that her lowest placing is 5th. And remember that last year she wasn’t outside the top 10 in a single stage. There’s form, there’s form, and there is the sort of talent that you won’t have seen unless you were in Belgium during the early seventies. I doubt that she’ll beat Mara Abbott and Emma Pooley to the summit of the Mortirolo, but I can easily see her using those ‘cross bike-handling skills to take five minutes out of them on the descent. And the stage 1 finish seems to be designed for a Vos Johansson battle, and we know how that usually ends.
2. Mara Abbott
As the Italian commentators put it During Mara’s ride up the Stelvio last year, she is the paradigm of a climber, skin, bone, less than 50 kilos. She won this race last year riding for the US national squad under Manel Lacambra who is once again her DS at Diadora-Pasta Zara, and came 2nd in 2009 by a mere 30 seconds; time that she lost working for Judith Arndt before she unfortunately crashed out. Mara can climb, sprint at the end of the climb, and most importantly out descend Emma Pooley. If you think that she should be my number one pick, then all I can say is that we don’t see enough of her in Europe, and by the sounds of things that’s the way she likes it.
3. Emma Pooley
If you get the chance to watch any of RAI’s coverage then listen out for the phrase "La Piccolina di Noor-Witch". Emma’s specialities are the long distance suicide breakaway, which somehow still manages to catch out the rest of the peloton even though she’s been doing it for years and climbing super-steep hills faster than should be possible. And for the past couple of years she has lost almost as much time in the descents as she gained in the ascents. But this year British Cycling’s team psychologist Steve has passed the winter teaching her the words to Officer Krupke and things are different. OK, that’s probably a bit mean, as most of the time she lost last year was when she punctured just as Team USA were putting their Stop-Pooley plan into action and starting off a day in the hills not with the expected soft pedal alongside the lake, but with a team time trial. Emma’s been scouting out the mountains recently (and trying to get her team-mates to dress a bit more girly, so she’ll know exactly what’s coming up, but her weakness could be that she’s not yet had a chance to try out all that psycho-stuff in real racing conditions.
4. Judith Arndt
You want to know something funny about Judith? She reckons that Australian Pizza is the best pizza in the world. Let’s hope that no Italians hear that. In last year’s Giro Judith rode to a great second place despite the fact that she hardly seemed to be there when the TV cameras were filming. Then the race started out flat and gradually became hillier and hillier, and for all those hilly stages she was on the podium every day, usually on the bottom step, and usually she finished while the cameras were still focussed on the winner doing their winner salute thing. I fully expect her to ride as well and as unnoticed this year.
5.Tatiana Guderzo
(That link under her name is for those of you who still aren’t sure how to pronounce her name – siamo con Tatiana Guderzo ci qua a l’arrivo – we’re with Tatiana Guderzo at the finish line) Guderzo was World Champion in Mendrisio in 2009, and on the back of that a whole new team was put together to support her bid to win the Giro last year. She didn’t quite manage that, but came up with a great 3rd place, and we’re hoping that at some point Bridie will spill a few more beans on how that came about (if she can balance it with her other advice to be nice to everyone ). Actually it’s hard to know whether to put her above Judith Arndt or not, since the two of them seemed to finish side by side in lots of stages last year. Judith just gets the nod on her better form so far this year.
That’s my five for the top. A pretty obvious selection maybe, but no more so than the predictions you’re seeing around for the Tour de France. Can you see beyond these five for the podium?
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Nice preview
And as a Dutchmen I hope Marianne indeed is going to win here, but for my WVDS it’s much better if Emma takes the victory.
Kirsten Wild's replacement
And Flavia Oliveira’s in for Chiara Vanni at Vaiano
Interesting!!
"First you have to be cool, after you are cool then you can be strong" -- Davide Appollonio
What happened to Kirsten?????????????? ????????
????
by Sarah Connolly on Jun 30, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
see my reply other Giro Donne thread
"On paper, your team is awesome." -- Pigeons on my WVDS team, and life in general.
Ha, which one?
No, I’m kidding, I’ll track it down!
by Sarah Connolly on Jun 30, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Found it - poor Kirsten
I really hope it’s something that clears up well, and she’s back on top form for the rest of the year. get well soon Kirsten
by Sarah Connolly on Jun 30, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
The other cyclocrossers in the race, apart from Daphy are Sophie de Boer in Neds national team
and Amanda Miller from HTC rides ’cross too…..
and, of course, the current CX world champion, Miss Marianne Vos!
by Sarah Connolly on Jun 30, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Hoping she might do something.
(That’s why she’s on my VDS team.) But I’m thinking more white jersey, really.
"I’m hoping for the Mortirolo-Gavia combination, then we can ride down to Bormio for ice cream." Emma Pooley on the Giro Donne
excellent...like a bit of nice Italian practice :-)
"I’m hoping for the Mortirolo-Gavia combination, then we can ride down to Bormio for ice cream." Emma Pooley on the Giro Donne
Oh, could you tell me any highlights?
because the google elves are on strike for me today
by Sarah Connolly on Jun 30, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
yep... will in a bit
"I’m hoping for the Mortirolo-Gavia combination, then we can ride down to Bormio for ice cream." Emma Pooley on the Giro Donne
Ok, I hate translating & I'm not very good at it.
But here are some bits. Please can everyone click on the original though as well (not least because I can’t vouch for the accuracy of this & I’ve missed lots of it out!). Thanks.
On the Giro:
I can say I really like it. Year after year the organisers design a more and more difficult course and that’s not a problem for me at all.
On being a climber:
With the courses as they are at the minute in women’s cycling, it’s not great being a pure climber like me. Actually, you don’t get that many results only being a sprinter either because you get dropped as soon as the road goes up.
On where the race will be decided:
There are lots of tricky stages but I think the winner will emerge between the seventh and eighth stages. Mortirolo will be important but for me the stage to Torri di Fraele is the hardest climb and will decide the race.
It’s like a miniature Stelvio but much more demanding. You’re talking about ten km or so, the last two of which are dirt road.
On radios, not in use this Giro:
I think radios are really important, especially in a stage race. The men used them, so I don’t understand why we, who are also elite riders and therefore professionals – even if a lot of people too often forget it – can’t use them.
Riders are certainly forced to think for themselves, without being guided. Without radios the race changes a bit: sometimes the group doesn’t fight as much. There’s a bit of hesitation, shall we say. You’re looking for a prompt from the DS or your team leader. When you’re trying to decide whether or not to go with a break or whether or not to work, that’s when the team harmony comes out.
On riders to look out for:
At the end of the race it’s always more or less the same riders who you find ahead in the mix. I’ll look out for their wheels and pay attention to the riders who went well in last year’s Giro. Definitely Judith Arndt because she always does well in stage races. I’ve seen her ride just as well in Spain as she did in Trentino, where she actually won.
In fact Marianne Vos, who’s a great talent, has the Giro as one of her objectives and wants to focus on it. Last year she was a perhaps a bit inexperienced and suffered on the long climbs. This year she’s improved a lot and I’m convinced she’ll do really well.
Pooley is another rider to fear but there are the descents which aren’t really her area. She did win at Cittliglio but since she broke her collar bone I haven’t seen her race at 100%. Her action is always nice and agile, never heavy. I think she used Trentino as a sort of warm-up for the Giro, so we’ll see.
On her own aims:
To do better than last year’s tenth place. I’d like to reach top five on GC, there you are. I could even win the white jersey for best young rider but it’s not a good idea to settle on that one objective because for me the aim is to do well on GC. With a good placing the white jersey will be there by itself. It’s more important to aim for the maglia rosa and see who’s ahead of me, to take into account who’s ahead of me, not behind.
Is she ready for the maglia rosa?:
I think so. Obviously I’m thinking about the maglia rosa. If I had to take it I hope I’d be able to keep it right to the end.
"I’m hoping for the Mortirolo-Gavia combination, then we can ride down to Bormio for ice cream." Emma Pooley on the Giro Donne
(she comes over as quite single-minded & confident, which is good to read)
"I’m hoping for the Mortirolo-Gavia combination, then we can ride down to Bormio for ice cream." Emma Pooley on the Giro Donne
Lizzie Armitstead just beat her to the white jersey a couple of years back
she got a lead early on then spent the rest of the race glued to Berlato and desperately hanging on uphill.
yeah I remember that well, actually
"I’m hoping for the Mortirolo-Gavia combination, then we can ride down to Bormio for ice cream." Emma Pooley on the Giro Donne
I was making my team for tomorrow
and wondering about Lizzie in the uphill finish….
Was it Vos who was white jersey last year?
by Sarah Connolly on Jun 30, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
If this was a horse race
your five picks would be the favorites, Vos 5-2, Abbott 3-1, Pooley 7-2, etc Not putting yourself out on much of a limb. The oh-so-human desire to predict the future doesn’t mean much unless there’s some commitment involved, ie. dinero, like horse players or stock buyers. So how much are you betting with William Hill that Vos is going to win and what odds are they giving you?
I just don't buy Vos winning this.
The interesting thing though is neither Abbott or Pooley has had the ideal run-in.
"I’m hoping for the Mortirolo-Gavia combination, then we can ride down to Bormio for ice cream." Emma Pooley on the Giro Donne
But if I hadn't put down Vos for the win
then my predictions would have been even more boring and predictable. She wants a Tour, but I don’t think she’ll sacrifice an Olympic year for one. So why not in 2011.
well, Elena Berlato seems to agree with you :-)
"I’m hoping for the Mortirolo-Gavia combination, then we can ride down to Bormio for ice cream." Emma Pooley on the Giro Donne
Alright, you want 5 more interesting faces to watch out for
Fabiana Luperini – yeah, I know that’s a bit of an obvious choice too, what with her having won it five times already. A bit like saying “watch out for that Lance guy” back in 2009. But comebacks are always fun.
Eleanora Patuzzo – ex Junior World Champ, and interestingly Diadora pulled her from the Giro del Trentino so that she could focus on the Giro Donne.
Elisa Longo Borghini – I agree with Bridie, keep an eye open. She’s got the genes, she was in incredible form at the start of the season, been a bit quiet since, but that could well be a peaking thing.
Polona Batagelj – top tens in the Emakumeen Bira and Giro del Trentino, plus an ace website. And she finished the Giro last year, so she’s not going to fade away after five or six days.
Marijn de Vries – We’re so used to talking about Marijn as a great writer that we forget that she’s a pretty great rider too. I can’t remember where, but I saw a couple of photos of her recently too where she was looking very lean. Not Brad Wiggins-like, but definitely a bit thinner in the face than usual.
I have Patuzzo.
I thought it was interesting they pulled her from Trentino too.
"I’m hoping for the Mortirolo-Gavia combination, then we can ride down to Bormio for ice cream." Emma Pooley on the Giro Donne
She's climbing well this year
She was in the front group of Fleche Wallonne until her crash, and was in a break in Emakumeen Bira too (did a crash take her out then as well)
by Sarah Connolly on Jun 30, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Winning this thing
would be a big step, even for Vos, I think. Interesting!
"On paper, your team is awesome." -- Pigeons on my WVDS team, and life in general.
i have a really hard time believing she can win this.
would be ok with me though – both vos and pooley on my team. They’re welcome to finish 1-2 in either order they wish.
I don't think Vos will win (though it would be fantastic!) but I can definitely see her in top 5!
Nederland Bloeit were out today checking out the first stage and sightseeing – have a look at Annemiek van Vleuten’s photos – they all look very happy!
(And clever people can work out the final line-up from the pics! There’s 1 rider I can’t recognise, bah!)
by Sarah Connolly on Jun 30, 2011 10:48 AM EDT reply actions
At the Colosseum, left to right:
Gunnewijk, Vos, Van Vleuten, Tabak, Van Wanroij, Düster, Schwager. Yes?
http://www.annemiekvanvleuten.nl/assets/Uploads/DSCN0413.JPG
"On paper, your team is awesome." -- Pigeons on my WVDS team, and life in general.
MvW is the one I didn't recognise
But yes, it looks like you’re exactly right
ps in the pic at the top of the page, does Sarah Düster’s head look like it’s been photoshopped on almost as well as I ‘shopped PhilGil’s wedding suit onto his new hair?
by Sarah Connolly on Jun 30, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Poor girl, but yeah
"On paper, your team is awesome." -- Pigeons on my WVDS team, and life in general.
ps, Ted...
Any chance of a “how to pronounce it” on Marieke van Wanroij? and Annemiek van Vleuten? As a Giro Donne special? You CAN say no, I won’t be TOO offended!
by Sarah Connolly on Jun 30, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Annemiek
I’m kind of hoping she might do something. My VDS team is sort of based on the idea…
"I’m hoping for the Mortirolo-Gavia combination, then we can ride down to Bormio for ice cream." Emma Pooley on the Giro Donne
Same
When we did the Trentino & Emakumeen Bira games last year I went on a standing “no Vos, van Vleuten instead” policy, and it worked both times as Annemiek got wins and loads of time escaping while everyone watched Marianne.
by UrlaubinPolen on Jun 30, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I asked Annemiek about her Giro hopes, when I interviewed her
She laughed at me when I suggested she was a GC contender, but I reckon she can win a stage and get top 20
by Sarah Connolly on Jun 30, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
sandbagging :-)
"I’m hoping for the Mortirolo-Gavia combination, then we can ride down to Bormio for ice cream." Emma Pooley on the Giro Donne
The other day she mentioned on Twitter
that her legs felt empty lately. She will have further examinations after the Giro and would probably need surgery. I asked if it might be the well-known cyclists’ injury of a kinked groin artery, but no response.
"On paper, your team is awesome." -- Pigeons on my WVDS team, and life in general.
She also said
that she would have to ride unnaturally, for her, and not give it her all and attack but instead take it easy and pick her battles.
"On paper, your team is awesome." -- Pigeons on my WVDS team, and life in general.
Oh, I wonder if it's connected with the artery problems she had before? Scarring in the femoral artery?
That would be a huge shame. She had been told by her doctors after her 2009 operation that she should get better and better after that op. At least she had some great results this year – her 2011 palmares are already fantastic, even if she had to stop now (I hope she doesn’t)
by Sarah Connolly on Jun 30, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I did not know about that
but that sounds more or less like what I suggested, yes: same artery, damaged in some way. (Now that I’m typing this I’m thinking we talked about this quite recently. Hmm.)
"On paper, your team is awesome." -- Pigeons on my WVDS team, and life in general.
We did, you said it was common in rowers & cyclists
and she talks about it here ;-)
(You very kindly translated some stuff in Dutch about it for me)
by Sarah Connolly on Jun 30, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
By the way, does anyone know why Amber Neben isn't riding this year?
She had that really horrible accident last year, but I’m still surprised she’s not there… I’m also assuming it’s Fahlin riding, not Chloe Hosking, as isn’t Chloe riding a Right To Play ride in France according to an HTC dude’s twitter – and Emilia’s tweeting from Roma…
by Sarah Connolly on Jun 30, 2011 12:16 PM EDT reply actions
startlist
http://www.cyclingfever.com/editie.html?detp=view&ap=startlijst&editieidd=MjE2MDk=
plus NETHERLANDS: + 48 LAVRIJSSEN Birgit
Thanks so much!
Monty, I’ll stick up my list of twitter & blogs in a bit
by Sarah Connolly on Jun 30, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I have a good feeling about Claudia Häusler or Olga Zabelinskaya managing to get on the podium, simply from being used as a carrot to make others chase, but them not wanting to drag Mara around. But then neither of them have had particularly inspiring seasons either.
I was also going to have a whinge about what the hell has happened to Anna Sanchis’ career since she was 7th in the Giro as a 20 year old, to now not even being on the startlist for one of the weakest teams going… but having actually looked it up, it’s kinda easy to see why she might be persona non grata.
It's a great startlist this year.
(Though is that – sadly – the result of losing so many other races?)
"I’m hoping for the Mortirolo-Gavia combination, then we can ride down to Bormio for ice cream." Emma Pooley on the Giro Donne
What's interesting about it is the way the Giro has only invited 1 national team this year
Part of that might be riders of the calibre of Abbott and Cooke being on trade teams this year, but I think it makes for a stronger overall field – one interesting result was Bizkaia taking Corset and Gillow recently (I’d be interested if Cycling Australia are supporting that somehow)
I guess teams will have REALLY wanted to go this year, because of no Tour de l’Aude – the downside is for riders like Kirsten Wild, who was injured in a crash in the National Champs, and so has to miss the only Grand Tour equivalent. I am crossing my fingers for no accidents, like there was on stage 2 (IIRC) last year, because this is the only chance the riders have.
(The other sad thing is that teams are less likely to be able to have their younger/less experienced riders on their teams, because it’s the only big race – having said that, I agree with the “trade teams not national teams” policy, it IS the biggest race of the year, and you don’t get riders going to the TdF “just for the experience”)
by Sarah Connolly on Jun 30, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
There are pretty strict rules for who gets invited to UCI races
UCI registered teams get priority if they ask for an invite, and afterwards there just weren’t enough places. I’m sorry not to see more French riders
true, that's who's missing
But it is a strong field. In previous years there always seemed to be one or more big names missing.
"I’m hoping for the Mortirolo-Gavia combination, then we can ride down to Bormio for ice cream." Emma Pooley on the Giro Donne
I wonder what will happen re UCI teams
I mean, if the big races are collapsing, there’s more pressure to come to eg the Giro – so will they have to make a new category of team, for the “must invite” rule? I’d like to see a Pro category & a conti one – without the “half the team under the random age limit” for the pros, and with things like wages (gasp!) who’d be the ones to get automatic invites.
If we’re really lucky & don’t lose any teams this year (crossing fingers for HTC) & Green Edge stick to their promise to have a women’s team, that would mean all places in the Giro would be taken straight away. I wouldn’t want them to expand the entrants, but it would be good to see some “wildcard” teams, if they were good enough (not national teams, but teams like Tibco, or, in a year or two, Horizon)
by Sarah Connolly on Jun 30, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Part of the Giro's problems come from the fact that teams get to bring 8 riders
Trentino had 24 teams entered
I like them having 8 though
you know, it being all Grand Tour-y, so they can have riders for all occasions
by Sarah Connolly on Jun 30, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Heard yesterday Tibco were actually invited but declined
by AdelaideFatboy on Jul 2, 2011 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, really?
That’s very interesting, any idea why?
by Sarah Connolly on Jul 2, 2011 4:43 AM EDT up reply actions

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