El País: Interview with Flecha - "The driver didn't even stop!"
Today in El Pais (Spanish newspaper) there's an interview with Flecha, written by his former teammate Pedro Horrillo. Here's the quick translation. He seems really pissed off (absolutely normal).
Here's the link for the original
Just 24 hours after becoming the front page of the Tour to his regret, Juan Antonio Flecha looks at the legs, swollen by inflammation, the bandaged knees and sighs sadly. "And I had come in such a good form!", says the first rider hit by an accredited TdF car during a stage. He fell with his fellow sufferer, Johnny Hoogerland. "Now the masseur has gotten ahold of me and given me a good look, at least, tells me that it's not as bad as he expected."
Question. Has Voeckler called you to see how you are?
Answer. No, and I wasn't expecting him to call me. Nor am I concerned, I don't really care what he can say.
P. And what did you think when Voeckler accelerated right after your crash and Hoogerland's?
R. I thought it was normal considering it is Voeckler, bc he's like that in every breakaway, sowing discord. Just before the crash (Sandy) Casar, another in the group, was telling him off because he attacked after fighting for the points of the mountain, instead of waiting for those who were not disputing them. He was with the yellow jersey fixation, it was all the same to him. We already know him, it would have surprised me otherwise.
P. But someone will have apologized, right?
R. Prudhomme directly only [Christian, director of the Tour], who came to see me at the hotel in the morning, and as I was in the hospital gave apologies to Dave Braislford , the team manager.
P. Do you remember the moments before the running over? Did you hear anything?
R. Curiously I heard nothing. All day there had been passing cars bothering us, blowing the horn sound to move us away and almost grazing us, but this one passed without blowing the horn. I was surprised and did not give me time to move away. I just saw a car coming at full speed at me, but of course you never expect that he's actually going to crash into you. Never has this happened in the Tour, how could I expect to happen it to me?
P. Did you talk to Hoogerland after the stage?
R. I talked to him before the end when we were both behind the peloton. He was bleeding all over and said, "I have to go to hospital." And I said, "me too".
P. When the peloton passed you, what did they said?
R. People encouraged us when they saw it in that state. They thought that something had happened but no one knew it was a car. They could not believe us.
P. How did you find the media reaction to the story?
R. Here not even in the hospital it was important, we have been treated as yet another incident, a thing of the Tour, but I know that in Holland, Italy, Spain, yes it has been important.
P. Has the driver appeared to apologise?
R. No he has not, and I think that if he came I would not like to talk to him. French Television has not apologized to me either. [according to sources familiar with the identity of the occupant of the car, it would be a famous TV presenter whose identity is kept so that the Tour will not be obliged to expel him].
P. And if you saw the driver?
R. One day while I was training, a car coming out of a road saw me and did not stop, and I went flying. I got up and had no desire to talk with him or argue. I didn't even looked at his face, he did not deserve it. And the one in the Tour didn't even stopped to see what we had done! That's the worst part, not stopping. I would have stopped.
P. How did you feel afterwards?
R. I had a moment of crying alone in the bus.
P. What did you think when the Tour awarded you and Hoogerland the combativity award?
R. It seemed surreal. It would seem ok to me for the TdF to reward us, but not precisely for combativeness, which was a prize that Voeckler deserved. They wanted to give us a consolation prize but we did not even met the bases to deserve it.
P. Will you stay in the Tour?
R. I prefer to think of going forward, I want to keep having fun on the bike and there are still beautiful stages and we'll see what I can do.
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[according to sources familiar with the identity of the occupant of the car, it would be a famous TV presenter whose identity is kept so that the Tour will not be obliged to expel him].
This is interesting…
As in you dispute the claim?
Or that it’s bullshit to protect the driver’s identity?
"He will sooner grow flowing locks of golden Bon Jovi-hair from his bald and barren head." - Jens discussing the possibility of Riis bringing a sprinter to a Pistol/GC fight.
by omnevelnihil on Jul 12, 2011 4:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Apparently, Le Parisien says the driver is an ex-pro
It’s hard to tell from the video, but it looks like there is at least one passenger in the car (and presumably that’s the TV presenter).
Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...
by TheFigurehead on Jul 12, 2011 4:30 AM EDT up reply actions
ITV4
that evening had a clip of the car arriving at the finish and parking the vehicle up (there were two people in the front seats, rear seats empty) so their identity unlikely to remain secret for very long – only needs a quick screencap or two…

Though as ITV did point out the clip doesn’t confirm who was driving the car at the time, if either, just who was driving the vehicle on arrival at the finish.
Someone mentioned Sunday afternoon
that even though the roads are closed, driving laws still apply. The driver should absolutely face criminal charges.
The fact that the passenger is hiding his face,
makes me think he was driving and they switched places.
"On paper, your team is awesome." -- Pigeons on my WVDS team, and life in general.
It isn't clear from the HD video
http://ewoud.home.xs4all.nl/cycling/20110710_tourdefrance_carcrash_720p.html
"On paper, your team is awesome." -- Pigeons on my WVDS team, and life in general.
yep
one report said he was freaked out, so he probably had to stop driving
If cobble delusions are wrong, who wants to be right? -JFS PGH
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 12, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Has the driver who hit Flecha been reported to be male?
The person driving the car in the pictures in ted’s link (which I gather are pictures from the finish area, is that right?) appears to me to be a woman.
I see that Flecha refers to the driver as “he” in the interview, but it’s not clear whether he knew the identity of the driver at the time he was interviewed.
by Susie Hartigan on Jul 12, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Not from the moment, I guess
but from information not made public, yet.
"On paper, your team is awesome." -- Pigeons on my WVDS team, and life in general.
or he also looked at the pictures
and came to the same (correct or incorrect) conclusion
"BECAUSE THERE’S NO F*CKING SPRINTS." -Cavendish (asterisk added)
Your screencap, that?
"On paper, your team is awesome." -- Pigeons on my WVDS team, and life in general.
Doing the rounds on Twitter now
"On paper, your team is awesome." -- Pigeons on my WVDS team, and life in general.
What, why?!
I linked it. From the direct Flickr URL one may always reconstruct the page address.
"On paper, your team is awesome." -- Pigeons on my WVDS team, and life in general.
one of the passenger without the hand up

(just rather there weren’t hundreds of people going through the pictures, weirds me out. Only use flickr to put things up on here. Rather twitter sent people here tbh)
I use tinypic.com for putting up photos here
as it doesn’t link to my personal accounts – it takes a little while, & has unreadable security words, but it’s a nice service
by Sarah Connolly on Jul 12, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
You can change the security word if it really is incomprehensible
click on that ying-yang arrow thingy until you find an easier one.
Also,
you need only one of them. If you got one, type a couple of random letters for the other and you’ll pass.
"On paper, your team is awesome." -- Pigeons on my WVDS team, and life in general.
Oh, really?
I had been congratulating myself on my reading skills! I had wondered how I was 100% right!
by Sarah Connolly on Jul 12, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they should only sue
if there are no criminal proceeding or the criminal proceeding come to nothing, myself. But if they cab’t/won’t identify the driver it’ll probably come to that.
Driver, own up now!
"I’m hoping for the Mortirolo-Gavia combination, then we can ride down to Bormio for ice cream." Emma Pooley on the Giro Donne
Sky, as a member of the ProTour, doesn't rely on being in the good graces of organizers to get into races,
Vacansoleil does.
I wonder who will sue and who won’t?
by GreylockGrinder on Jul 13, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Vacansoleil is a ProTour team
Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...
by TheFigurehead on Jul 13, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you very much for the post
Google is not very good with Spanish, so it was nice to read something easy to understand, and it was a very interesting interview.
you're welcome
yeah, the translator sucks at capturing certain nuances…and you could tell that Flecha was pissed off during the interview, which doesn’t help.
Are you Spanish, medmelon?
"First you have to be cool, after you are cool then you can be strong" -- Davide Appollonio
It's a month when many men grow moes in support of prostate cancer.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Not all of the causes of prostate cancer are known
and so far there’s no definitive evidence that it’s a viral or bacteriological infection that originated in Australia.
"He will sooner grow flowing locks of golden Bon Jovi-hair from his bald and barren head." - Jens discussing the possibility of Riis bringing a sprinter to a Pistol/GC fight.
by omnevelnihil on Jul 13, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
in support of research into prostate cancer
(we knew what you meant)
Thank you Ted.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
There's also an interview with him in French and English over at steephill.tv
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
INRNG explaining today how you can send a free postcard to the riders:
It’s simple, just go to the Dynapost website and fill in the form on screen and click send and soon enough your message will be printed out and taken to the rider in question.
I think we all should send Flecha and Hoogie some PdC-love
Done! What a lovely idea.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
it’s despicable that the driver is hiding behind anonymity.
How can his first act not be to beg forgiveness and see how the riders are?
"Long Live Cols" - ant1
This is very impolite towards the guy o the motorbike too
Right after the stage everybody knew his name
I'd be begging forgiveness at their feet
"First you have to be cool, after you are cool then you can be strong" -- Davide Appollonio
Tommy V taking a bit of a hit. You don't see that often.
I picked Riccardo Ricco for my 2011 VDS team, and submitted said team well before the submission deadline. I fully understand the error of my ways, and plead with the VDS Gods to allow me to resubmit my team.
Yeah
This is a real peak behind the curtain. Props to Van der Flecha for calling it like he sees it.
If Peyton Manning crashed onto a barbed-wire fence and returned to a game, you’d never hear the end of it for the rest of your life.
Yup
doesn’t seem like the easiest person, either.
"On paper, your team is awesome." -- Pigeons on my WVDS team, and life in general.
Hoogerland's reaction on the other hand quite impressed me...
More saddened than angry.
My second place behind Contador is worth a lot--Michele Scarponi
He routinely seems to get moaned about come classics season, Flecha.
As for Tommy V, I’m not sure what he would have wanted him to do?
"I’m hoping for the Mortirolo-Gavia combination, then we can ride down to Bormio for ice cream." Emma Pooley on the Giro Donne
yeah . . .
this doesn’t sound very nice but Voeckler looked back and saw them, must have seemed to him that they were done for the day, no option but to keep riding.
I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it
by plinytheelder on Jul 12, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Even by that point
Voeckler had done most of the work to put them there… but Flecha seems to resent even that.
(I’m not blaming Flecha: everything must hurt once that’s happened to you.)
"I’m hoping for the Mortirolo-Gavia combination, then we can ride down to Bormio for ice cream." Emma Pooley on the Giro Donne
Liggett claimed, and VS showed footage of Voeckler appearing to wait.
however, one could almost argue that if ever there was a time to get off the bike and wait, that might have been it.
I think if as a rider you think too much about what might have happened
it would probably start to become impossible to race. Not just in that moment, but at all.
I mean, how did Hoogie ever get back on that bike? Yes, I know, adrenalin etc. but it’s still fairly incomprehensible. I think it’s a bit unfair to get at Voeckler, realy.
"I’m hoping for the Mortirolo-Gavia combination, then we can ride down to Bormio for ice cream." Emma Pooley on the Giro Donne
haha why Duque?
I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it
by plinytheelder on Jul 12, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't say (I had to go back to check)
He just says that they’ve heard (it’s a TdF diary from 2009) that Garmin are making a Top 10 list of annoying people in the peloton and Gerdemann is no 1 on the list. CAS, Vandborg ans Nicki S want to make sure Fletcha, Botcharov and Duque are added to the list. About Flecha he says he can be quite nice in private but is a pain in the ass in the peloton, using a lot of elbows, muscling in when the team is riding in a paceline breaking everyones rhythm and stuff like that.
haha awesome!
need more lists like that
I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it
by plinytheelder on Jul 12, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
what's annoying about Gerdemann?
His beauty?
by LurkerMcLurkerson on Jul 12, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Oooo I'd love to see this list. What fun :)
"First you have to be cool, after you are cool then you can be strong" -- Davide Appollonio
thanks
for the info.
look, if it's hurting me, the other one is going to be about to die now - Jens!
well
just asking after the stage what happened to Flecha and Hoogerland would certainly have been nice. he didn’t seem to bother at all. Who knows what would have happened without the crash?
by bonjourchezvous on Jul 12, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Flecha would probably have been a good bet for the stage.
But Voeckler would have still got yellow & none of them would have been where they were even at that stage had TV not put the work in.
As for the asking how they were, well, it would have been nice but… you take the jersey, you do endless interviews, you (probably) go to doping control, you get out of there. He expressed concern in the interview I saw.
"I’m hoping for the Mortirolo-Gavia combination, then we can ride down to Bormio for ice cream." Emma Pooley on the Giro Donne
There are (or were) almost 200 riders in the race
so no one rider is going to have everyone’s phone number. Add to that trips to hospital, the teams staying in different hotels and there not being a lot of down time for the riders it could be difficult to contact someone even if you wanted to.
by Creeping Tortoise on Jul 12, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I just realized the irony
Team Sky is having a save the forests campaign at the Tour and then one of their riders gets hit by a car trying to avoid injuring a tree(OK it didn’t want to damage the car but it avoided the tree nonetheless).
Yes
but now put in into lyrics suitable for a song and send it to Alanis M.
"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton
How's this...
Save the trees, I’m wearing this green band
In a breakaway, In the Tour de France
Oh crap! Car just took me out
Seriously tree, I kind of hate you
I heard a theory that the only irony was that there was no irony
Or, as the young kids say, ‘meta’.
Bollocks to that, of course.

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