Tour de France Stage 10: Greipel wins over Cavendish!
by Douglas Ansel on Jul 12, 2011 11:19 AM EDT
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Andre Griepel (OPL) won a disorganized sprint ahead of former teammate and number one adversary Mark Cavendish in today's stage to Carmaux. JJ Rojas and World Champion Thor Hushovd (Garmin-Cervelo) followed in for third and fourth respectively. This is Griepel's first outright victory over Cavendish since they split ways after several years together at HTC.
Thomas Voeckler defended his yellow jersey, even giving it a go in a late-race attack with Green Jersey Phillipe Gilbert in the final 15km. While Gilbert defended his points jersey, JJ Rojas closed the gap with his podium finish on the stage.
Today's stage was a lumpy but sprinty (yes, full of paradoxes today) run of 161km from Aurillac to Carmaux. A category-4 climb summit with 14km to go would prove a test for the sprinters' mettle and possibly provide a springboard for a late attack a-la-Vino.
Play-by-play and full results below the jump!
20km to go: Just getting my feed running and the first thing I see is Tony Martin is on the front for HTC. I love me some zombie face, don't you?
18km to go: We're on the last climb of the day. Marcato(Vac), Vichot (FDJ), and Minard (AG2R) are the only survivors of the day's break du jour and they have 10 seconds. But they aren't giving up yet. Omega-Pharma is on the front driving it. Since it's going uphill, I'm assuming they're working for Gilbert and not the Gorilla. In related news, Griepel wonders exactly what's so great about the Tour de France.
17km to go: Marcato jumps! Guess who gets the red number tomorrow! I love it when the break fights for most aggressive rider once they're doomed, don't you? So much fighting spirit these chaps have!
16km to go: Gadret popped, Roche smiles. Also, sprinters are dropping like flies from the front group. Maybe 30 guys left now, but I can't tell because my Eurosport feed is freezing almost as much as Versus.
15km to go: Gilbert attack!!!!!!! Gilbert, Voeckler, Devynyns, and a Gallopin (Cofidis) guy are free on the upper part of the climb! Voeckler drives it now!
14km: Zombie-face Martin (HTC) bridges after looking back to see Cav nowhere in sight. Only a few seconds between the groups.
12km: The gap looks solid, but Devyns attacks and Gilbert is the only one who will work. Guys, you could ride away with this... if you just worked. BMC is on the front because that's what they're good at these days.
11km: Order restored in the break, all 5 together and everybody is putting in solid turns.
8km: Tony Martin doesn't want to work now. So much confusion in the HTC car today. Jens! is about to grind through his molars with that grimace as he takes a massive turn on the front. Nobody wants to give Martin or Voeckler more time.
5km: Shuffle, reshuffle. In the end, Gilbert is solo with 12 seconds and HAMMERING down a slight descent. But, he's caught with 4.5km to go. Too bad... Evidently Cav is in the small bunch too as Danny Pate drives it for HTC.
2.5km to go: Millar time! HTC has two guys left and there is some hesitation and confusion in the bunch, but Tony martin pulls him back.
1km to go and it's disorganized. Daniel Oss ends up leading out the sprint and Cav is forced to jump from way out. It's a drag race between him and Griepel and the Gorilla edges him out by a half-wheel! Cue fantastic quotes from these two. Really, I can't wait for the headlines!
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I am very happy for OPL and Greipel
This has got to be a huge confidence booster for Greipel. (And now OPL can focus on Gilbert and the green jersey without making Greipel feel bad.)
"Oh man, it’s going to take days to kill all these people!"
OPL train plus Gilbert more helpful than expected in comparison to HTC? Great win
"Long Live Cols" - ant1
Nice 1-2 Gilbert attacks and tires people out
And messes up the HTC train because they lose people and have to catch up, then Greipel did have the legs over Cav. Straight up beat him.
I'm glad Greipel won because it only adds to the legend of Gilbert with the tactics they used.
The legend is growing out of control in this Tour, maybe his success will influence more people to watch some one day racing.
Super dope. Is that like EPO on steroids?
Greipel wins over Cavendish
Greipel talks Cav round?
pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway
You guys keep record of everything...
So how many wins for Cav and how many for Greipel when they are in the same race?
Check for yourself at CQ, they keep the records.
Yeah I’m lazy
Super dope. Is that like EPO on steroids?
Greipel's place is the 2nd to last number. Cavendish's the last.
1 8/07/2011 [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 7 : Le Mans – Châteauroux 3. 1.
2 6/07/2011 [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 5 : Carhaix – Cap Fréhel 6. 1.
3 23/01/2011 [Aus] Tour Down Under, Stage 6 : Adelaide City Circuit 7. 120.
4 20/01/2011 [Aus] Tour Down Under, Stage 3 : Unley – Stirling 2. 130.
5 19/01/2011 [Aus] Tour Down Under, Stage 2 : Tailem Bend – Mannum 76. 130.
6 18/01/2011 [Aus] Tour Down Under, Stage 1 : Mawson Lakes – Angaston 2. 62.
7 28/05/2008 [Ita] Giro d’Italia, Stage 17 : Sondrio – Locarno 1. 2.
8 23/05/2008 [Ita] Giro d’Italia, Stage 13 : Modena – Cittadella 23. 1.
9 22/05/2008 [Ita] Giro d’Italia, Stage 12 : Forli – Carpi 12. 2.
10 18/05/2008 [Ita] Giro d’Italia, Stage 9 : Civitavecchia – San Vincenzo 21. 7.
11 13/05/2008 [Ita] Giro d’Italia, Stage 4 : Pizzo Calabro – Catanzaro-Lungomare 18. 1.
12 12/05/2008 [Ita] Giro d’Italia, Stage 3 : Catania – Milazzo 185. 9.
13 7/02/2007 [Fra] Etoile de Bessèges, Stage 1 : Pézenas – Palavas-les-Flots 7. 2.
14 26/04/2006 [Ger] Rheinland-Pfalz Rundfahrt, Stage 1 : Koblenz – Worms 1. 9.
"Oh man, it’s going to take days to kill all these people!"
Thanks...
Let me refresh my question.
When they are going at each other… Who won the most….?
This year?
Cav.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi.
"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Jul 12, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Excluding when they were on the same team
2-2. The victories during this tour + Greipel won Stage 1 of the Rheinland-Pfalz Rundfahrt when Cav was riding for Team Sparkasse
This is good for Cav
And no, I’m not kidding. It’s important to be worried/feel threatened by competition. Winning constantly eventually breeds complacency.* The next sprint we see Cav in? Christ, watch out.
*Or so I theorize.
i subscribe to your theory as well
I’ve got to imagine this one stings a little more than other times he’s been beat
I have a man crush on Hoogie even more now than I did before
My fruit bowl is full of sex wax--gavia
by Douglas Ansel on Jul 12, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Who?
Hoogie?
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi.
"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Jul 12, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Where was Farrarraraaaa?
I missed most of the stg
If cobble delusions are wrong, who wants to be right? -JFS PGH
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 12, 2011 11:44 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Dropped on the final climb when OPL went on the rampage
by randomgerbil on Jul 12, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Greipel ate him.
Sprinter power works a bit like the movie ‘Highlander’. Gave him enough juice to beat Cav.
Bunch of slack-jawed faggots around here. This stuff will make you a god damned sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me - Jens! Voigt, Predator (1987)
I gather he's planning on having Bennati for pudding.
That’s if you can call Bennati a sprinter.
Bunch of slack-jawed faggots around here. This stuff will make you a god damned sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me - Jens! Voigt, Predator (1987)
And he'll use Ciolek as a toothpick.
Bunch of slack-jawed faggots around here. This stuff will make you a god damned sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me - Jens! Voigt, Predator (1987)
I must be a Cav fan
because I’m currently blaming Goss for not being there to help Cav out in the finish.
(though I doubt it would have done much good. Greipel had the better speed today)
but still….
just pixels with personality
So, except for stage podium and Vockler
Verdugo, Koren, Hondo and Goss are the lucky few.
Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...
by TheFigurehead on Jul 12, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
surprising that they test only 8 riders, especially after the ominous
rest day and Kolobnev..
by Bruce Suomi on Jul 12, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
They did morning tests as well.
At least one.
"Oh man, it’s going to take days to kill all these people!"
Hoogerland said in a pre-race interview on VS that his entire team was woken up
at 7:30am today for a “control.” So they are doing other tests, daily.
...
29: Gorka Verdugo
93: Kristjan Koren
165: Danilo Hondo
174: Matthew Goss
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi.
"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Jul 12, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Gadret should have sat the Tour out and gone for the Vuelta
as he’s some 25 minutes behind. His legs must be shot from his fine Giro effort.
[Pigilito has a] lifetime stupid statement pass [on PdC] -- Yeehoo
unless ....
the first big mountain day is Bastille day. Useful to be well down the GC is you want to attack
"Long Live Cols" - ant1
With Gadret failing this much
He better give a wheel to Roche THIS tour
Or maybe more like
You’re French, we’re French, you’re going :)
I remember him complaining actually a season or so back that it was too much racing, the Tour on top of the Giro. And well, here he is.
Cherish your moment!
You of Anti Cav persuasion. I know you poor folks don’t have mach to celebrate lately.
I kind of happy for you, a little. But tomorrow is 144 flat km, and my Champaign is in refrigerator already! Long live Cav!
There, I said my piece! :)
"I love bike races warm up, warm down, cobbles mountains or flats."
perezbike
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You only 5 hr drive away, go check Phil. lol
"I love bike races warm up, warm down, cobbles mountains or flats."
perezbike
.
5 hour drive? A bit optimistic that
I couldn’t even get through a 1/3 of Kansas after driving for 5 hours from my home
I thought you in Leipzig right now!
"I love bike races warm up, warm down, cobbles mountains or flats."
perezbike
.
Leipzig to Konigsberg ( Kaliningrad, and it is Russia now ) only 5 hg, I think.
"I love bike races warm up, warm down, cobbles mountains or flats."
perezbike
.
According to the guestimation of google maps that would still be 8 hours
(and Kaliningrad is cheating!)
Cav has a pretty decent chance of taking Green tomorrow
If he wins the intermediate and the stage then (assuming there was a breakaway of 4+ ahead at the intermediate)
PhilGil needs 7th or better on the stage
Rojas needs 2nd on both the intermediate and the stage
Good! Another reason to celebrate tomorrow!
"I love bike races warm up, warm down, cobbles mountains or flats."
perezbike
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Man, I do love Gilbert
Gutsy little guy. That was a fun final 15k.
Also, very happy for André.
Plus, how strong was Devenyns? Very strong. It’s about damn time he wins something with those legs.
Wish it had resulted in something for my VDS
But yeah, that was impressive riding. And that whole late break move with those guys… wicked cool.
"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton
Yeah me too
But I live in hope! He’ll get me some more points before the season is over. Unlike some others in my squad I fear /stern glare/
*I always feel a little sad mocking my VDS guys. Tondo’s on there :(
Very strong!
Though I wondered what his reason for attacking 12km out was. Surely it was better suited to working together and going solo later? Even if only a few wanted to swap pulls.
My fruit bowl is full of sex wax--gavia
by Douglas Ansel on Jul 12, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Realised they weren't going to make it?
Or maybe he got a bit over-excited? With 10k flat kilometres and a HTC-lead peloton, it was a loooong shot anyway.
I still take..
..full credit for Devenyns improvement over the last couple of years.
Fantastic stage. Wonderful action in the last 25km.
TdF are getting a lot of things right with the route. Congrats to Greipel.
Fuck it.
This is a small shit race.. Cavendish is going to own the Eneceo Tour
by Frinking on Jul 12, 2011 12:20 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Very sporting Cav interview up on Sporza
In his civvies, so a while after the race. I’d link, but apparently the videozone doesn’t work outside of Belgium anymore?
It’s not an exclusive Sporza interview, lots of microphones there and a non-Sporza asking the questions, so maybe it’ll pop up elsewhere.
Testing, testing
Does it work if I just link to the article that has the videos, so you can watch them embedded?
Works for me too.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi.
"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Jul 12, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
What was that bit at the end? Is he apologizing to Greipel?
Or just saying he made a tactical mistake today?
Saying he made a bit of a mistake
By going at 250 metres but not really giving it his all til 170 metres, but he’s not using it as an excuse. Griepel beat him fair and square, props to him.
Yeah, just tweeted with the same message
“Well, that’s me beaten. Went with 250m to go, but didn’t ‘kick’ until 200m. Greipel rode it perfect & got speed by running up on me #hatsoff”
by randomgerbil on Jul 12, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
If this win was for Jurgen, than I am ok with Cav’s lost!
"I love bike races warm up, warm down, cobbles mountains or flats."
perezbike
.
Ha, yes to that.
"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton
Still surprised Cav lost
but this was a tough stage, and then Cav has to put in a dig for these intermediate sprint points which you would think takes a little gas out of the finishing sprint. So this intermediate sprint decision by the organizers is making the final sprint not such a guaranteed thing for Cav I think.
"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton
I think that is what cav was saying a stage or two ago - the one with the sprint points like 20k from the finish (memories failing me)
where was today’s sprint?
by JustJoshinYa on Jul 12, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd imagine a late sprint would hurt their finish sprint chances worse, right?
Hard to do a proper leadout two times in close proximity…whereas one early on and then another at the end could have a shot…just guessing…
by JustJoshinYa on Jul 12, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I could see it the other way too.
"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton
I didn't watch the early sprint, so no clue.
I was thinking more about a true sprint train…but don’t always see that for intermediates.
by JustJoshinYa on Jul 12, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
No "may" about it.
But it was easy to see Greipel is flying from the other stage he had a go for. I even said he had the speed to win that one. We know Cav is faster, but Cav being faster doesn’t always mean a win, obviously.
"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton
Glad for Greipel...has to be tough to be the SSR King, so enjoy being the King for the day...Cav will be back.
And Gilbert…loved the attack at the end of the stage and I SOOO loved Tommy V in yellow going with. Exactly what racing should be like…attack, attack, attack!
Andre Greipel has won more GT stages than Tyler Farrar
so maybe this SSR moniker is a bit of a misconception…
so does farrar
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
cav coined it if you recall - when teammates.
Personally, I always thought it wasn’t totally fair for him…he’s probably a top 5 sprinter, huh?
Cav
Petacchi
Farrar
Greipel
ok, maybe top 10…there’s a lot more that could be considered…
by JustJoshinYa on Jul 12, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know what's convinced people Farrar is ahead of Greipel
except that he is American of course. Right now it looks to me like pure speed wise Greipel is 2nd fastest. Overall between Greipel-Farrar-Petacchi I’d say it’s a toss up. And yes Cav coined it, I always found it a funny term, I’m not mad or anything about it, but beating Cav at THE race probably means he has moved on. The moniker for smaller races still is awesome.
by Phil H. on Jul 12, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wasn't putting this in order...just spitting out names...
Was also going to put up guys like Ventoso, Rojas (who’s very consistent this Tour), Feillu (if he could sprint in a straight line – wow), etc…
by JustJoshinYa on Jul 12, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
For what it's worth, when they've met head-to-head and one of them has won
it’s 5 to 2 in Farrar’s favor. That’s in races where they’ve both been in the top 10 at the end. If you add wins where the other was in the race but not in at the finish, it’s still 7 to 4 in Farrar’s favor.
But I think Greipel and Farrar have both grown in confidence in the past couple of years, so watching the two of them compete is going to continue to be fun.
He's a good kid. Complex and messed up, but intrinsically good.--Jonathan Vaughters, on Thomas Dekker
Love this
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If it is possible to cut a word out, always cut it out.
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Break any of these rules sooner than say anything outright barbarous.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Jul 12, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
What?
That was fast, and I want one. Because that’s the react you’ll get from people… “What?”
"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton
checked out the website - not up yet...must be a twit pic or something...
by JustJoshinYa on Jul 12, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
ironic, because when I take a picture, it's a twit pic too...
hahaha, I crack myself up!!!
and with that…I’m outta here for the afternoon…see ya’ll later…
by JustJoshinYa on Jul 12, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
No no,
that’s a twat pic.
"On paper, your team is awesome." -- Pigeons on my WVDS team, and life in general.
Alas, full-size twitpics expire
but here it is via tinypic:
"On paper, your team is awesome." -- Pigeons on my WVDS team, and life in general.
What I like
is that Greipel can step up and perform at this level and get it done. Greipel= Tenacious
"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton
Cav is suffocating any attempt Martin makes to try and make a diff in the GC.
Can’t wait for these two guys being on seperate teams.
Would TMart be a GC contender anyway
Particularly in these ‘modern’ TDFs, with fewer TT kms? I know the Tour de Suisse isn’t exactly a marker for success, but TMart went ‘pop’ twice in the mountains. I think he’s a fab rider, with a great ethic and team-spirit, but I think he needs many more TT kms to be considered a GC prospect.
When he's won Paris-Nice and Volta o Algarve this year, he deserves support.
Pretty crazy to have him chasing down Millar for Cav today. Only on HTC.
Yet with Martin
It is impossible to find a picture after a successful finish where he and Cav are not celebrating a win together – and Marrtin never seems to be upset or playacting.
So, outwardly at least, Martin seems to care less the effort required than most.
if it wins his team another year
then time well spent…
Reckon you do Martin an injustice. The effort he makes is manageable on the whole (don’t lose the tour just cos you do a few leadouts – not on this parcours) And he seems to really enjoy it. He remains the best in the world between 2-1km to go, and he likes to show it, especially when there is a chance for a team win.
Can take it as a sign he is in good form – and not necessarily wasting his form, might even be honing it. We will soon find out one way or another.
+1
I’d think that for a team looking for a sponsor, stage wins are more useful than a 12th in the GC.
"I'm sorry for all the people who worked to make the descent safe and the tifosi who went up there to watch the race but racing can't be allowed to become a circus. We're not clowns" Marco Pinotti
Getting a sponsor onboard argument is hard to disagree with of couse.
But if one can isolate the incidents (not just this year) and focus on Martins opportunity in TdF, I think his chances are being lessened by other duties. Clearly if he was very upset about the whole thing he would have left HTC, just like Greipel did.
But did he not win P-N on the TT?
I’m not saying he doesn’t deserve support, I just don’t know if modern TDF parcours suit him particularly. IMO he could be the Indurain of his generation, he just doesn’t have the TT kms to help him right now.
And chasing down Millar for Cav was eminently sensible IMO. Why give up a possible stage and shot for green for a 1km TT effort on the part of TMart? I’m sure he’ll recover from that.
Someone is trying to stir up some trouble
simongeschke Simon Geschke
Greipel beats cav, how great is that? says Cavendish now that the TdF is a shitrace?
Good boy.
Oh lookie here
those who I’m staying with are already asleep and do not need to be woken up(seeing they are my grandparents). Well plus I do a very poor German accent even though I think it damn well.
Hey,, You don't have to do it
Hitler style (From 2.15) Sclümpfe style is good enough.. An high voice is not noticable for your grandparents..
Did I cross a line?
Thor is so good at bike handling and moving into position in sprints
Watch the sprint closely. Thor is able to move himself to 4th or 5th wheel by himself with what seems ease around the last turn.
Sure, he may not have the kick needed to win anymore. But he is really skilled at sprint positioning.
"Oh man, it’s going to take days to kill all these people!"
Sure, his bike handling is excellent, but I think "seems" is the operative word here
I think these presprint positioning moves take quite a lot out of him. He has been largely on his own at the business end of the sprints this year. He takes a lot of wind and spends quite a deal of energy before the sprint proper starts. In addition to the fact that he’s simply not as quick as he used to be, this means that he’s been nowhere near the win on the flat sprint stages. This is my take, anyway. :)
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